Clan Match Points Changes
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[GM]Saidin wrote: »The process for all this is pretty fluid. We're trying to make the appropriate changes after we see results happening on the ladder.
One of the main issues though is that it is a very complex process with how the database writes clan matches. If it was simpler then this whole process would be easier. But we have to deal with the system we have! So we're just trying to make it the best possible.
It's going to require some more work and we'll have further updates on this. But yes, regardless of what happens between 2 clans, if it's over the maximum of 2 per day then there should be no points exchanged (up or down, for any particular reason).
And what about the win/loss percentage? Will a clan winning an unvalidated/deserted match get a win and will the deserters get a loss? -
Latinjerre wrote: »And what about the win/loss percentage? Will a clan winning an unvalidated/deserted match get a win and will the deserters get a loss?
Win loss etc is only going to matter for when we do the Tournaments.
We'll have more stuff on that when we're ready with those set of rules. -
Good new for clans.
I do have to point out that this will discourage a weak clan from warring with a stronger looking clan.
While clan farming is important, I think that personal farming is more important to combat. You can take the same ideas from anti-clan farming to personal farming as well (i.e., limiting the maximum kills of one player toward another specific player to a certain number a day; limiting matches where one player kills another 100 times while the other player does 0 damage).
I also think some thing should be implemented so that if a weaker clan defeats a stronger clan, they get more points than usual, where as if a stronger clan defeats a weaker clan they get less points. This will balance the strength of the clans, and deer farming on very weak clans.
Thank you for taking this into consideration. -
As I feared (but expected) , when a team leaves early, they won't get a loss and the other team won't get a win.
In the first pic the other team, #GroundZero. was losing 1-4 to us and left in the 5th round.
This is what shows up on the clan page:
In this game the other team left early in round 8 of 9 (no -2 points penalty, no win for us)
I added up all of our wins of today and came to the conclusion that neither of those 2 matches counted as a win to us. I don't know about losses, but since win-loss is a 2 way thing, i doubt our opponents got a loss for it.
It would be appreciated if you could fix this flaw.
Also, the bug where a team won't get a loss if they leave during the half time, still persists. In regard of an upcoming tournament you should really look into this issue. -
Latinjerre wrote: »As I feared (but expected) , when a team leaves early, they won't get a loss and the other team won't get a win.
In the first pic the other team, #GroundZero. was losing 1-4 to us and left in the 5th round.
This is what shows up on the clan page:
In this game the other team left early in round 8 of 9 (no -2 points penalty, no win for us)
I added up all of our wins of today and came to the conclusion that neither of those 2 matches counted as a win to us. I don't know about losses, but since win-loss is a 2 way thing, i doubt our opponents got a loss for it.
It would be appreciated if you could fix this flaw.
Also, the bug where a team won't get a loss if they leave during the half time, still persists. In regard of an upcoming tournament you should really look into this issue.
Now that the changes are in, we're going to monitor how they go.
Lets just talk wins and losses for a moment.
The main hurdle we have to get over is how the Clan Matches work out in the database. The way they are written to the database makes it more difficult to handle when dealing with leavers.
The changes here are going to represent a fundamental shift in how we look at rankings for tournaments.
For example, in the past we have only looked at win/loss ratio. You win a game then your record goes up and match points (as part of the clan system) don't actually matter.
This new system now puts more emphasis on match points for ranking and less emphasis on wins and losses. Though the clan page will still display that information because it's good.
With using match points as a way to seed teams in tournaments we create a more valid system than just tracking wins and losses. But this system is fluid, it needs some observation before we can start making some concrete moves and rules in a tournament.
Should also mention that the observations will be better on today's games (looking at them tomorrow). As the system went in late yesterday evening. -
the changes with -2 clanpoints if you leave are IMO good and useful, but with the mass hack outbreak that has happened recently soo many more clans have hackers, so if my clan leaves cause we dont wanna play against them..we lose 2 points. i would suggest delaying this change until the hack outbreak has been somewhat taken care of, cause i hate losing points just because i dont wanna play with hackers. dosnt make sense
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Frustrating to see how we get win after win, but no clan points and a win/loss that's dropping so fast:
Here we got 3 subsequent games:
People actually realize now that they wont get any penalty at all if they leave after a couple of rounds, so they ALL do it => no win for us.
We should have won 18 games, instead we got 8.
It's cool that you want to monitor different ways of clan point counting, but how hard can it be to give a win to the team that has won most rounds?
Apart from 3 games yesterday, every single match that we lost was against blatant cheaters, and i mean blatant, like shooting us from their base through walls and stuff. -
Latinjerre wrote: »Frustrating to see how we get win after win, but no clan points and a win/loss that's dropping so fast:
Here we got 3 subsequent games:
People actually realize now that they wont get any penalty at all if they leave after a couple of rounds, so they ALL do it => no win for us.
We should have won 18 games, instead we got 8.
It's cool that you want to monitor different ways of clan point counting, but how hard can it be to give a win to the team that has won most rounds?
Apart from 3 games yesterday, every single match that we lost was against blatant cheaters, and i mean blatant, like shooting us from their base through walls and stuff.
Yes this! please explain us why we dont get points and an win -.-! -
Latinjerre wrote: »Frustrating to see how we get win after win, but no clan points and a win/loss that's dropping so fast:
It's cool that you want to monitor different ways of clan point counting, but how hard can it be to give a win to the team that has won most rounds
It's a bit of a fluid process here. We're looking into this. -
the only problem I see with deducting two points for leaving early is sometimes players will disconnect joining a clan match , which sometimes results in a clan Quitting a match in the first round so that the player can rejoin keeping the teams fair , otherwise Good Job ...
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PR0PAGANDA wrote: »the only problem I see with deducting two points for leaving early is sometimes players will disconnect joining a clan match , which sometimes results in a clan Quitting a match in the first round so that the player can rejoin keeping the teams fair , otherwise Good Job ...
Simple fix, if they play more then 30 seconds of the first round, THEN they leave, this results in clan points being lost.
Dc'ing, they clan should be smart enough to leave immediately. -
This is good, but I have a question to ask.
What if the clan we are vsing is a hacking clan? If we leave, our clan points go down right?
Isn't it unfair for the clans who don't hack?
This is a simple change to the clan wars. They'll be having the snd tournament shortly, so they'll probably want to change some things. As for hacking, sure will be unfair for us legit clans to leave. I recommend that you don't leave and stay till the end. They'll definitely look into hacking and be able to give fair punishments so that they dont just get away with what they've done.
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