Clan Match Points Changes
Attention Clans!
We'll be making some logic changes to the way Clan Match Points are calculated this week. The reason why we are making these changes is two-fold. One they help fight abuse and other farming tactics and two they are stricter and allow for more valid matches to take place on the Match Point ladder on the Clan Server in preparation for an upcoming Tournament!
We will also be looking at scenarios where there are zero's across the board (for score and kills). We feel that for the rare cases where it's possible to win without either side scoring a kill, matches will always have some sort of "point total". So implementing these kinds of rules will result in a more accurate result of Match Points.
We are still putting together some final touches on these changes, we expect them to be in within the next 24 hours and we are currently working out the rule set for the Clan SnD tournament which will be starting up shortly after.
Thanks everyone for the patience and understanding, we are doing this to make clan vs clan battles better! So we hope you enjoy it.
We'll be making some logic changes to the way Clan Match Points are calculated this week. The reason why we are making these changes is two-fold. One they help fight abuse and other farming tactics and two they are stricter and allow for more valid matches to take place on the Match Point ladder on the Clan Server in preparation for an upcoming Tournament!
We are reducing the maximum number of valid matches versus another same clan to 2 (4 halves). This means that you can only play versus the same clan twice, any further games will result in 0 points being given.
We are also going to be deducting 2 points (-2) to clans who leave games early.
And lastly, we are modifying how valid matches are going to be calculated. We're adding in additional rules which look for minimum values in certain areas of the clan match. This is an ongoing observation by us, but the hopes are to get to a point where more valid matches are being played.
For example, there will be a certain number of rounds that must be played in order to validate the match. If the rounds are not played the match will be invalid (not giving points). We can implement this because we are now issuing a penalty for leaving early.We are also going to be deducting 2 points (-2) to clans who leave games early.
And lastly, we are modifying how valid matches are going to be calculated. We're adding in additional rules which look for minimum values in certain areas of the clan match. This is an ongoing observation by us, but the hopes are to get to a point where more valid matches are being played.
We will also be looking at scenarios where there are zero's across the board (for score and kills). We feel that for the rare cases where it's possible to win without either side scoring a kill, matches will always have some sort of "point total". So implementing these kinds of rules will result in a more accurate result of Match Points.
We are still putting together some final touches on these changes, we expect them to be in within the next 24 hours and we are currently working out the rule set for the Clan SnD tournament which will be starting up shortly after.
Thanks everyone for the patience and understanding, we are doing this to make clan vs clan battles better! So we hope you enjoy it.
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MisterMunzta wrote: »A point penalty for early quitters i a great idea.
No i think this idea is really really bad..now if you have an enemy clan all you need to do is quit every the oppsite side 3 times (and they lose 6 clan points) x100 games? not a good idea at all.. -
No i think this idea is really really bad..now if you have an enemy clan all you need to do is quit every the oppsite side 3 times (and they lose 6 clan points) x100 games? not a good idea at all..
I believe only one side gets the penalty. -
MisterMunzta wrote: »I believe only one side gets the penalty.
thats the point (the enemy clan) with the cows /freinds in it will lose 2 points for every quit per (players on oppsite side) they can just do this all day and kill clans instead of farm off them -
thats the point (the enemy clan) with the cows /freinds in it will lose 2 points for every quit per (players on oppsite side) they can just do this all day and kill clans instead of farm off them
I don't get how that helps them, the clan staying in the room doesn't win any clan points. -
MisterMunzta wrote: »I don't get how that helps them, the clan staying in the room doesn't win any clan points.
*sigh*
Okay the clan points for the clan farming an enemy clan dont count... the win % does what im trying to say is lamers like ruili (with an autofarming script could put cows in guiness) he would just leave his pc on all day and his cows would quit as soon as they load or (wherever the limit before a quit works) and everytime his automatic farm script quits the cows the enemy clan (loses 6 points or more depending on how much cows he farms)
Then one day later you lose around 20k clan points, and the enemys clan goes down..they will lose there number #1 spot (many people would put high ranked cows in there clan because everyone hates them)
No one farms other clans for 'clan point wins' trust me on this, they do it to get revenge on them, to farm (some clan points) win % and the main part is to make there rank/points go down
if you dont get what i said im not repeating myself
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*sigh*
Okay the clan points for the clan farming an enemy clan dont count... the win % does what im trying to say is lamers like ruili (with an autofarming script could put cows in guiness) he would just leave his pc on all day and his cows would quit as soon as they load or (wherever the limit before a quit works) and everytime his automatic farm script quits the cows the enemy clan (loses 6 points or more depending on how much cows he farms)
Then one day later you lose around 20k clan points, and the enemys clan goes down..they will lose there number #1 spot (many people would put high ranked cows in there clan because everyone hates them)
No one farms other clans for 'clan point wins' trust me on this, they do it to get revenge on them, to farm (some clan points) win % and the main part is to make there rank/points go down
if you dont get what i said im not repeating myself
O,k, I got it, infiltrating cows in a clan, didn't think this actually happened. -
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lol you guys can take this as a joke now but its going to be heavily abused, i called it first
they should not add the point reduction for quitting clan wars.
I was just saying that there's nothing that can be done to prevent these things from happening, and every single thing implemented in this game gets abused, you know it. -
MisterMunzta wrote: »I was just saying that there's nothing that can be done to prevent these things from happening, and every single thing implemented in this game gets abused, you know it.
The first thing they was going to add was good (2 clan wars against the same clan and the rest of the games dont count) now that will actully slow down farmers, not everyone has 20 alt clans to play against
But the point reduction is just stupid, i dont see why it should be added but meh whatever
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I actually don't agree with some of this.
The farmers haven't really bothered me too much tbh, but some of these new rules are affecting us, legit players, in a negative way.
It happens quite alot that we rush over other teams, that they dont get any kills at all and ragequit after a round or 3. If i understand this correctly, this wont count as a win to us?
I would like to know whether an unvalidated/deserted game will count towards the clan's win/loss percentage.
Furthermore don't make the mistake of treating both halves the same way. I remember us winning the first half of a sewers TDM game 150-149 and in the second half all of the enemy players dropped down and we stayed the whole time waiting upstairs, winning the game with 150-149 without any kills in the second half. Next day it didn't count as a win on the clan page.
Or that when the second half is a draw but one team won the first half, the game sometimes doesn't seem to count as a win or a loss to either team.
I don't like the fact that you state condoning farming, but do take actions that punish the whole (!) community for a few players that are techically not doing anything against the rules.
But i like that deserters will get a point penalty and i hope this is a more consistent way of validating matches. -
Then one day later you lose around 20k clan points, and the enemys clan goes down..they will lose there number #1 spot (many people would put high ranked cows in there clan because everyone hates them)
You're saying that Clan A who is lets say in the top 10, wasn't paying attention to who they invited into the clan. And what they did invite was bots or cows.
Player in Clan B then played a game against Clan A using those infiltrated cows.
And in one day caused Clan A to lose 20k points?
To do that you would have to play 10,000 matches. Since there is a limit of 2 matches against the same clan before the point totals don't count he would need to infiltrate 5,000 clans with at least 3 players each.
So you're saying he has 15,000 accounts spread over 5,000 clans in which he uses to play matches against so that he can subsequently leave with his "infiltrated" players in Clan A to make them lose 20k points? -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »You're saying that Clan A who is lets say in the top 10, wasn't paying attention to who they invited into the clan. And what they did invite was bots or cows.
Player in Clan B then played a game against Clan A using those infiltrated cows.
And in one day lost 20k points?
To do that you would have to play 10,000 matches. Since there is a limit of 2 matches against the same clan before the point totals don't count he would need to infiltrate 5,000 clans with at least 3 players each.
So you're saying he has 15,000 accounts spread over 5,000 clans in which he uses to play matches against so that he can subsequently leave with his "infiltrated" players in Clan A to make them lose 20k points?
Sound logical... -
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[GM]Saidin wrote: »You're saying that Clan A who is lets say in the top 10, wasn't paying attention to who they invited into the clan. And what they did invite was bots or cows.
Player in Clan B then played a game against Clan A using those infiltrated cows.
And in one day caused Clan A to lose 20k points?
To do that you would have to play 10,000 matches. Since there is a limit of 2 matches against the same clan before the point totals don't count he would need to infiltrate 5,000 clans with at least 3 players each.
So you're saying he has 15,000 accounts spread over 5,000 clans in which he uses to play matches against so that he can subsequently leave with his "infiltrated" players in Clan A to make them lose 20k points?
For one i did not know that after 2 clan wars against the same clan the points for 'quitting' would still count, but you get pretty much what i said eaither im blind and never saw it in your first post or you didnt add enough information about the clan point reduction after quiting
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For one i did not know that after 2 clan wars against the same clan the points for 'quitting' would still count, but you get pretty much what i said eaither im blind and never saw it in your first post or you didnt add enough information about the clan point reduction after quiting
would not count** damn you have to have an edit button on this page.. -
For one i did not know that after 2 clan wars against the same clan the points for 'quitting' would still count, but you get pretty much what i said eaither im blind and never saw it in your first post or you didnt add enough information about the clan point reduction after quiting
The process for all this is pretty fluid. We're trying to make the appropriate changes after we see results happening on the ladder.
One of the main issues though is that it is a very complex process with how the database writes clan matches. If it was simpler then this whole process would be easier. But we have to deal with the system we have! So we're just trying to make it the best possible.
It's going to require some more work and we'll have further updates on this. But yes, regardless of what happens between 2 clans, if it's over the maximum of 2 per day then there should be no points exchanged (up or down, for any particular reason).
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