So I'm going to work out a blanced set of guns for comp play.
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I believe z8 used to offer clan "item bundles" in the clan items section in the mall. Not sure what happened to that functionality.
They said they were going to re-add the feature with better prices shortly after, but here it is 1-2 years later and we still don't have it yet.
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off to class
[13:01] doop: http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg4/scaled.php?server=4&filename=crossfire201202080000.png&res=medium
[13:02] denxi: i emant of the shot weirdo
[13:02] doop: that is the awm
[13:02] doop: http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg813/scaled.php?server=813&filename=crossfire201202080001.png&res=medium
[13:02] doop: is the m700
[13:03] doop: http://imageshack.us/f/821/crossfire201202080002r.png/
[13:04] doop: http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/2199/crossfire201202080003.png
[13:05] doop: http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7529/crossfire201202080004.png
[13:05] doop: 3 vs 4
[13:05] doop: illustrates it pretty good
[13:05] denxi: yea
[13:05] denxi: if you use that
[13:05] denxi: vs SMGs
[13:05] denxi: the question is
[13:05] denxi: is that balanced with them
[13:05] doop: theres no point then
[13:05] doop: the whole advantage of the awm
[13:05] doop: is the 1 hit kill
[13:05] doop: you'd be better off
[13:06] doop: using a rifle at long range
[13:06] denxi: ...
[13:06] denxi: ok so
[13:06] denxi: Rifles are BANNED
[13:06] doop: especially an accurate one like aug
[13:06] denxi: in thsi scenario
[13:06] doop: so you want a mp5 league?
[13:06] denxi: this is M700 vs SMGs only
[13:06] denxi: is it balanced
[13:06] denxi: is the question
[13:06] doop: m700 wins
[13:06] doop: even then
[13:06] doop: though
[13:06] denxi: Thats the scenario I presented with no HS guns
[13:06] doop: m700 will still win range
[13:06] doop: every time
[13:06] doop: just dont aim for the head
[13:06] doop: 2 quick body shots
[13:07] doop: cause you have no threat
[13:07] doop: at range
[13:07] denxi: I think that varies at range, and whetehr the burst of the SMG is tight enough
[13:07] denxi: would be interesting
[13:07] denxi: I don't think it's clsoe enough to say the M700 wins every time though, but it would have a range advantage no doubt
[13:07] doop: m700 you can be more mobile
[13:08] doop: so you can get behind objects
[13:08] denxi: than an SMG?
[13:08] doop: m700 is pretty fast
[13:08] doop: i dont know if its like css
[13:08] doop: where the scout
[13:08] doop: is faster than the knife
[13:08] doop: i havent tried
[13:08] denxi: it isnt
[13:08] denxi: Ive checked
[13:08] denxi: Do you know if M700 is fatser than deagle?
[13:08] doop: nope
[13:08] denxi: Cause MP5 is practically the same as the deagle
[13:09] denxi: Also, new movement changes means probably changes to waht is balanced
[13:09] denxi: will be interesting
[13:11] doop: are crate guns
[13:11] doop: allowed in this theory?
[13:11] doop: or just gp smg's
[13:11] denxi: in practice most liekly not, but for discussion, sure
[13:12] denxi: that whole fair thing
[13:12] doop: if so
[13:12] doop: the kris and the thompson
[13:12] doop: destroy everything
[13:12] denxi: yea probably
[13:12] denxi: Maybe not M12
[13:12] denxi: but probably
[13:12] doop: hs damage
[13:12] doop: is 80
[13:12] doop: compared to the 60 for mp5
[13:13] doop: m12 is 85 lol
[13:13] denxi: iirc the mp5 has a mugh tighter burst than the thom, but that's really baseless
[13:13] doop: only use for mp5 would be wall bang
[13:13] denxi: yea
[13:13] doop: even then full damage wallbang
[13:13] doop: at 60m
[13:13] doop: would still be
[13:13] doop: like 10 damage
[13:13] doop: or so
[13:14] doop: m700 would win
[13:14] doop: and rifles would win
[13:14] doop: just not enough damage
[13:14] doop: at range
[13:14] denxi: so then is limiting M700 to one per team, liek they did with AWM at wcg, viable?
[13:15] doop: if you are doing
[13:15] doop: absolutely no rifles
[13:15] doop: it would be worth it to m12
[13:15] doop: maybe even 5 m12
[13:15] doop: cause it is rather easy to get headshots with m12
[13:15] doop: when you single/double
[13:15] doop: fire
[13:15] doop: m700 would only be useful
[13:16] doop: in my opinion
[13:16] doop: at long range
[13:16] doop: even then you have to make sure
[13:16] denxi: yea
[13:16] doop: theres no obstacles
[13:16] doop: like sniping the cross
[13:16] doop: on subbase
[13:16] doop: would be pointless
[13:16] denxi: well, m700 is full wallbang
[13:16] doop: thats not what iment
[13:16] doop: like an awm
[13:16] doop: is a 1 hit kill
[13:17] doop: m700 isnt
[13:17] doop: unless you get the hs
[13:17] denxi: so more **** to hide beehind = mroe chance to advance
[13:17] doop: yea
[13:17] doop: so it would be easier
[13:17] doop: to just spot it
[13:17] doop: with a m12
[13:17] doop: than play it with an m700
[13:17] denxi: ic
[13:18] denxi: unless you ran 2 wood
[13:18] denxi: 1 m12 1 at ramp with m700
[13:18] denxi: take advantage of both
[13:18] denxi: 80 damage wallbang aint too shabby
[13:18] doop: actually
[13:18] doop: you could just play 2 wood
[13:18] doop: every time
[13:18] doop: with no awm's
[13:18] doop: or rifles
[13:18] doop: theres no need to play in a site
[13:18] doop: you can just hold it from wood
[13:19] denxi: With M12s?
[13:19] doop: yea
[13:19] doop: or an m12 and an mp5
[13:19] doop: whoeverhas best spawn takes mp5
[13:19] doop: for walldamage
[13:19] doop: then m12 is second guy
[13:19] denxi: Yea with this games' bullet stopping physics
[13:19] doop: with the double prenade
[13:19] denxi: I see that
[13:19] doop: + walldamge
[13:19] doop: as it is now
[13:19] doop: unless the far right
[13:19] doop: gr player
[13:19] doop: pushes wood
[13:20] doop: the best spawn on BL
[13:20] doop: crosses every time
[13:20] denxi: how good is that countering a 3-5 man push with liek 2 mp5s tho?
[13:20] doop: you dont need to counter the push
[13:20] doop: you just take control
[13:20] doop: once you get control of wood
[13:20] doop: you can stack b
[13:20] doop: on subbase
[13:20] denxi: I dont think
[13:20] denxi: 2 guys
[13:20] doop: vents is what throws it off
[13:20] denxi: can control a4-5 man push with wallbang
[13:21] denxi: if they go for the cross
[13:21] denxi: well yea, thats subbase for ya
[13:21] denxi: otherwise we'd see 3 man rifle on GR wood all the time
[13:21] doop: the xm8 changed wood alot
[13:21] doop: cause the way the doors open
[13:21] doop: is dumb as ****
[13:21] denxi: yap
[13:22] denxi: what would be cool would be
[13:22] doop: but even then
[13:22] doop: just about any choke point
[13:22] doop: would be held better
[13:22] denxi: scope rifles + qbz + m12s + xm8
[13:22] doop: by an m12
[13:22] denxi: and other banned
[13:22] denxi: no m4 or ak, just those
[13:22] doop: xm8 is to strong
[13:22] doop: not to use
[13:22] doop: you're hurting yourself
[13:22] denxi: eh
[13:23] doop: if you dont use an xm8 or ak
[13:23] denxi: I dont think that applies to guns liekt he AUG
[13:23] doop: aug has
[13:23] doop: recoil issues
[13:23] doop: on sloped surfaces
[13:23] doop: its like the m4adv/silver
[13:24] denxi: all guns dont have those?
[13:24] denxi: wtf?
[13:24] doop: nope
[13:24] doop: atleast not as dramatically
[13:24] doop: ive only really noticed it with aug/m4silver
[13:25] doop: in my opinion
[13:25] doop: the best rule set
[13:25] doop: is anything allowed
[13:25] doop: then you get to decide
[13:25] denxi: well probably
[13:25] doop: if an ak with 35 bullets outweighs the xm8
[13:26] doop: or a silencer
[13:26] doop: or a gun like the scarlight
[13:26] doop: because
[13:26] doop: theres situations
[13:26] denxi: and thats what esg was gonna be until polleus went all PREPARE FOR WEM on me
[13:26] doop: where the m4adv blows
[13:26] doop: every other gun out of the water
[13:26] doop: due to the sneakiness
[13:26] doop: but at the same time
[13:26] doop: a 35 or 38 bullet ak
[13:26] doop: can lock down
[13:27] doop: close range
[13:27] <This user is now playing Cross Fire>
[13:27] doop: about as well as anything in the game
[13:27] doop: xm8 has wallbang
[13:27] doop: if you prefer m4 recoil you got several versions of it
[13:27] denxi: pay to play is dumb though
[13:27] denxi: can you buy an extra serve in tennis?
[13:27] doop: what do you mean pay to play?
[13:28] denxi: pay to win*
[13:28] denxi: as in buy advantages
[13:28] doop: you can get
[13:28] doop: most items
[13:28] doop: via badges
[13:28] doop: and missions
[13:28] doop: you also can get zp from surveys or have people buy you zp
[13:29] doop: the m4 crystal custom
[13:29] doop: is free
[13:29] doop: has a silencer
[13:29] doop: and 35 round clip
[13:29] denxi: THAT one I cans ee beign allowed
[13:29] denxi: possibly
[13:29] denxi: depends on ribbons and ****
[13:29] doop: but GP depends on amount of time played as well
[13:30] doop: if i made a new account today
[13:30] doop: i wouldnt have as much GP as my main account
[13:30] doop: either way you are paying for an advantage
[13:30] doop: having the ability to have 4 bags
[13:30] doop: with several variants
[13:30] doop: of just GP only weapons
[13:30] doop: is an advantage
[13:30] doop: over someone who has usp m4 and awm colt1911
[13:31] denxi: Paying for advantagee is dumb, playing the game for advanatage is dumb but neascessary if we want more than the base 2 guns
[13:31] <This user stopped playing Cross Fire>
[13:31] doop: the GP gains are so low
[13:31] doop: that its near impossible
[13:31] doop: to maintain everything
[13:31] doop: without depositing ZP
[13:31] doop: so whats different than buy 120k zp
[13:31] doop: 120k gp
[13:32] doop: or getting the ak camo?
[13:32] doop: its what 5900 for 30 days of defuse
[13:32] doop: and i believe nade kit is more
[13:32] denxi: Because peopel can still get and use GP guns with ZP
[13:32] denxi: I know
[13:32] denxi: its super hard
[13:32] denxi: and you're limited
[13:32] doop: you can get ZP guns by playing
[13:32] denxi: And that's ****ign stupid
[13:32] denxi: but atleast its still possible
[13:33] denxi: Uhm
[13:33] doop: its possible
[13:33] denxi: wat
[13:33] denxi: Temp guns absed on luck
[13:33] doop: its not luck
[13:33] denxi: not garunteed
[13:33] doop: badges aren't luck
[13:33] denxi: oic
[13:33] denxi: again though
[13:33] denxi: 1 week
[13:33] doop: some are 30
[13:33] doop: and 90 days
[13:34] denxi: Orly?
[13:34] doop: yea
[13:34] denxi: but still irrelevant
[13:34] denxi: time restrictive
[13:34] doop: so is
[13:34] doop: maintaining stuff
[13:34] doop: with only GP gains
[13:34] doop: like you suggested
[13:34] denxi: If you mean maintainign stuff liek C4 and Nades
[13:34] denxi: then yes
[13:34] denxi: I agree 100%
[13:35] doop: c4 and nades
[13:35] doop: and 2 extra bags
[13:35] denxi: but you cant turn those things off
[13:35] denxi: which is ******ed
[13:35] doop: then you have to fill out those 2 extra bags
[13:35] denxi: 2 extra bags is dumb
[13:35] doop: with nades and weapons
[13:35] denxi: and can be banned
[13:35] doop: then you would have to allow
[13:35] denxi: liek tis actually possible to so no extra bags
[13:35] doop: reconnects
[13:35] doop: otherwise
[13:35] doop: people are pigeon holed
[13:36] doop: into certain roles
[13:36] doop: since utility guns
[13:36] doop: like m4
[13:36] denxi: yea, just not reconnects on the same round
[13:36] doop: arent available
[13:36] doop: but then
[13:36] doop: you are limiting people based on their computer
[13:36] denxi: yea
[13:36] doop: what if someones computer cant load in the time
[13:36] denxi: and every game
[13:36] denxi: limits absed on computer
[13:36] denxi: What if soemones computer gets lower FPS?
[13:36] doop: still paying for an advantage
[13:36] denxi: cant playa s well because of it
[13:36] denxi: brb
[13:42] denxi: k back
[13:42] denxi: We cant regulate what computer you use. We CAN regulate what guns you use
[13:42] denxi: I have thoguht abotu a league that limited what guns you use based on a GP amount
[13:44] doop: with the amount of good ZP items you can get for free
[13:44] doop: ingame
[13:44] doop: i just dont see why restrict them
[13:44] denxi: because you cant use them for free at any time
[13:44] doop: what is wrong with crates?
[13:45] doop: its chance yes
[13:45] doop: but all players have the same probability of a prize
[13:45] doop: to my knowledge
[13:45] denxi: But they arent garunteed the pportunity
[13:45] doop: how so
[13:46] doop: lets say xm8adv
[13:46] denxi: Sorry I should use different wording
[13:46] doop: is my favorite gun
[13:47] doop: i can keep making accounts
[13:47] denxi: they are garunteed that they can use it
[13:47] doop: until i win the xm8
[13:47] denxi: arent*
[13:47] doop: adv
[13:47] doop: nothing is stopping me
[13:47] doop: from making new accounts
[13:47] doop: i am now content, because i got the gun i feel i am best with
[13:47] doop: its an "elite" version of the gun
[13:47] doop: with an extended clip
[13:48] doop: i feel perfectly fine taking my xm8adv up against doops gold m4
[13:48] doop: or maltes akcamo
[13:48] doop: or lets say youre a sg fanatic
[13:48] doop: you can get the sg camo for 90 days
[13:48] doop: which would cover about a league season
[13:48] doop: just from badges
[13:49] doop: i wait until preseason
[13:49] doop: to get my final nade kill
[13:49] doop: now i got the gun for 90 days
[13:49] doop: and it covers the season
[13:49] doop: buying the crates gives me coupons
[13:49] doop: so i can get some guns like the awm-camo
[13:49] doop: or akgold or whatever -
[13:51] denxi: spamming multipel accounts I hadnt bothered to consider
[13:51] doop: also
[13:51] doop: with the surveys
[13:51] doop: its not impossible
[13:51] doop: to get ridiculous amounts of zp
[13:51] doop: ive seen people get 200k zp
[13:51] doop: or so
[13:51] doop: on just free surveys alone
[13:51] denxi: Then you culd say that mowing lawns isnt impossible
[13:51] denxi: and use that as an argument
[13:52] doop: it isn't
[13:52] doop: so why limit it in the first place
[13:52] doop: i got class
[13:52] doop: ill be back later -
AK spray pattern width is 2 CM tighter than the M4 pattern, with the only vertical change being the recoil in the first 5 ish shots.
Ok, the difference between my tests and yours is that in a competitive environment, what you're saying is irrelevant. First off, you're acting as if there is only one spray pattern, there are several. So the ak isn't ALWAYS going to have a tighter spread. Secondly, it's not "5 ish" bullets, neither gun stops recoiling until the 7th or 8th bullet, so there really isn't any spread until then. THAT BEING SAID, if you constantly find yourself spraying more then 7 bullets, you probably suck. Spread is hardly relevant.
Another HUGE reason why the m4 is the stronger rifle, which for some reason no one seems to comprehend... The cooldown. The m4's cooldown is WAY shorter then the ak's. It's not even close. Not to mention if you shoot the guns before they've cooled down, the m4 is far more accurate then the ak.
Where are your tests on cooldown? -
Ok, the difference between my tests and yours is that in a competitive environment, what you're saying is irrelevant.
Irrelevant to my quote.First off, you're acting as if there is only one spray pattern, there are several.
Addressed laterSo the ak isn't ALWAYS going to have a tighter spread.
Yes it will. Addressed later.Secondly, it's not "5 ish" bullets, neither gun stops recoiling until the 7th or 8th bullet, so there really isn't any spread until then.
Count 'em. The max is six.
Irrelevant to my quote.THAT BEING SAID, if you find yourself spraying more then 7 bullets, you probably suck. Spread is hardly relevant.
Besides the rare time that the M4 doesn't ever cross, this is what you get.
The statement "There are multiple spray patterns" is misleading. There Is one set of pattern limitations, and then smaller changes from bullet to bullet, meaning that there are practically an infinite amount of patterns, all with the same parameters. The AK will never go farther from the middle of it's pattern than the M4 will, and they will consistently focus in the same area.
Don't believe me? Go into the shooting range and try for yourself.Another HUGE reason why the m4 is the stronger rifle, which for some reason no one seems to comprehend... The cooldown. The m4's cooldown is WAY shorter then the ak's. It's not even close. Not to mention if you shoot the guns before they've cooled down, the m4 is far more accurate then the ak.
Where are your tests on cooldown?
None. But as I said before, I never said **** about the cooldown of the M4, or whether or not the AK is OP when compared to the M4. All I said was what is in the quote.
I would also like to see some video data that it is "WAAAAAY" shorter. -
I know that. I'm saying if armor was introduced, I would think that it having a 1 shot advantage over the m4, would (in your opinion) make it even more OP.AK is mainly OP because of the spray spread not the damage in my opinion.
--I also don't understand why Doop would be in support of armor. I'm pretty sure I've seen you make posts about how the AK is the most OP rifle (which I disagree with), but with that thinking, allowing the use of armor would just make the AK even more "OP".AK spray pattern width is 2 CM tighter than the M4 pattern, with the only vertical change being the recoil in the first 5 ish shots.
Apparently, he quoted and replied to me with this, but didn't mean that the ak was stronger then the m4.
[15:05] denxi: You're stupid
[15:05] denxi: Stop acting like I said AK was OP
[15:05] mickey: lol?
[15:06] denxi: What did my quote say?
[15:06] denxi: Read it
I don't know, I thought it was kind of implied, to be honest - But where in my following post did I even suggest that you thought it was OP, anyways?:Ok, the difference between my tests and yours is that in a competitive environment, what you're saying is irrelevant. First off, you're acting as if there is only one spray pattern, there are several. So the ak isn't ALWAYS going to have a tighter spread. Secondly, it's not "5 ish" bullets, neither gun stops recoiling until the 7th or 8th bullet, so there really isn't any spread until then. THAT BEING SAID, if you constantly find yourself spraying more then 7 bullets, you probably suck. Spread is hardly relevant.
Another HUGE reason why the m4 is the stronger rifle, which for some reason no one seems to comprehend... The cooldown. The m4's cooldown is WAY shorter then the ak's. It's not even close. Not to mention if you shoot the guns before they've cooled down, the m4 is far more accurate then the ak.
Where are your tests on cooldown?
Hmph, never once claimed you thought it was OP, INTERESTING. -
I know that. I'm saying if armor was introduced, I would think that it having a 1 shot advantage over the m4, would (in your opinion) make it even more OP.
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Apparently, he quoted and replied to me with this, but didn't mean that the ak was stronger then the m4.
[15:05] denxi: You're stupid
[15:05] denxi: Stop acting like I said AK was OP
[15:05] mickey: lol?
[15:06] denxi: What did my quote say?
[15:06] denxi: Read it
I don't know, I thought it was kind of implied, to be honest - But where in my following post did I even suggest that you thought it was OP, anyways?:
Hmph, never once claimed you thought it was OP, INTERESTING.
[14:24] mickey: you're wrong again, just sayin
[14:24] denxi: about?
[14:24] mickey: ak
[14:24] mickey: vs m4
Was I wrong? No. Your arguments were for an argument about OPness, so I responded to them as such. My post was not stating any position on the matter, only evidence to be used in further discussion. Was my post wrong, as you said in xFire?
No.
(Obviously wrong was based on your misinterpretation of my post, but this is me responding to what I read on xFire.) -
You were wrong, you never mentioned that you were talking about the spread while moving until AFTER that part of the conversation, which is what I obviously replied to.
Also, the numbers I gave about recoil continuing until the "8 ish" bullet, are when you AREN'T moving.
It doesn't matter, I'm done talking about it. -
You were wrong, you never mentioned that you were talking about the spread while moving until AFTER that part of the conversation, which is what I obviously replied to.
Also, the numbers I gave about recoil continuing until the "8 ish" bullet, are when you AREN'T moving.
It doesn't matter, I'm done talking about it.
You gave those numbers after I corrected myself in xFire.
[14:25] denxi: THIS IS WHILE MVOING BTW
[14:25] denxi: sorry if I didnt mention that
[14:48] mickey: you're so wrong on so many areas, that i don't know which ones to point on
[14:48] mickey: out*
[14:51] mickey: im posting in ur thread
[14:54] mickey: posted -
Less recoil, shoots faster, I don't know? Seemed obvious to me.
m4a1
less damage
less recoil, more spread
Full to Empty Mag: 2.9 Seconds
ak47
more recoil, less spread
more damage
Full to Empty Mag: 2.900 Seconds
The distance on extra ak recoil compared to m4 is less than the distance of m4 spread to the ak.
ak > m4 -
I have a hard time believing you guys are playing the same Crossfire game as I am. Stop trying to turn this into Counter-Strike without having the actual game changed. The movement, reg, speed, damage of weapons and nades, flashes, hitboxes, recoil/spread/spray pattern of guns and an economy system. Oh, and lets not forget dedicated servers.
Really now, this is one giant troll thread. That or you have all forgot what game you are playing. -
I have a hard time believing you guys are playing the same Crossfire game as I am. Stop trying to turn this into Counter-Strike without having the actual game changed. The movement, reg, speed, damage of weapons and nades, flashes, hitboxes, recoil/spread/spray pattern of guns and an economy system. Oh, and lets not forget dedicated servers.
Really now, this is one giant troll thread. That or you have all forgot what game you are playing.
im a counterstrike reject, so i wan't to make crossfire be like the game i was never good at. -
I have a hard time believing you guys are playing the same Crossfire game as I am. Stop trying to turn this into Counter-Strike without having the actual game changed. The movement, reg, speed, damage of weapons and nades, flashes, hitboxes, recoil/spread/spray pattern of guns and an economy system. Oh, and lets not forget dedicated servers.
Really now, this is one giant troll thread. That or you have all forgot what game you are playing.
Finding out how guns relate to one another balance wise, and asking the community what they think CF gameplay should put emphasis on is trying to turn it into CS?
Wat. -
[15:55] denxi: You're right
[15:55] denxi: It doesnt mean anything more than how much you work outside of CF
[15:55] denxi: and in comparision to life, there's no real distinction
[15:55] denxi: BESIDES
[15:56] denxi: Your level in CF is directly tied in with CF
[15:56] denxi: and I hate that that's the logic I have to present
[15:56] doop: what does rank have to do with anything
[15:56] denxi: But the only truly fair alternative wold be
[15:56] doop: we were discussing?
[15:56] denxi: A custom competitive client made by them
[15:56] doop: the argument was availability of guns
[15:56] doop: not what rank i am ingame
[15:57] denxi: If I said rank then I mispoke
[15:57] doop: rank is level
[15:57] denxi: Rank leve;
[15:57] denxi: w/e
[15:57] denxi: I meant the availibility in GP and CF playing
[15:57] doop: if i do surveys and by 120k zp in 2 hours
[15:58] doop: is much better than getting 1.2k zp in 2 hours
[15:58] doop: buy*
[15:58] denxi: wat
[15:58] doop: so
[15:58] doop: i can play crossfire
[15:58] doop: for 2 hours and earn 1.2k gp
[15:58] denxi: Please retype, I think you mispoke
[15:58] denxi: OOO
[15:58] doop: or i can do surveys for 2 hours
[15:58] denxi: K
[15:58] doop: and buy 120k gp
[15:58] denxi: yea
[15:59] denxi: and the philosphy is
[15:59] denxi: Surveys arent garunteed, and arent directly related to CF
[15:59] doop: how so?
[15:59] doop: they are put on by z8
[15:59] doop: and if you file support tickets
[15:59] doop: you are guarenteed zp
[16:00] denxi: Uhm, support tickets with the actual company dont always give you the ZP
[16:00] denxi: I've had plenty that didnt
[16:00] doop: so file a new one
[16:00] doop: or do a new survey
[16:00] doop: if i play a game
[16:00] doop: and get vote kicked
[16:00] doop: i dont get GP
[16:01] doop: i could play 50 minutes of search and destroy
[16:01] doop: but get vote kicked
[16:01] doop: on the last second
[16:01] doop: and not earn any gp
[16:01] denxi: Yea. And like I said before
[16:01] denxi: the philosophy is keep it CF related
[16:01] denxi: Which is stupid
[16:01] doop: and that philosphy is dumb
[16:01] denxi: [17:02] denxi: Which is stupid
[16:02] doop: so why follow this philosophy?
[16:02] denxi: But it also doesnt make sens eto make people go out of their way in "3rd party" ways to earn the ****
[16:02] doop: how is
[16:02] doop: going to the z8 webpage
[16:02] doop: going out of their way?
[16:02] doop: please elaborate
[16:02] denxi: Gooiing to survey sites
[16:02] doop: mall.z8games.com
[16:02] doop: i have to go out of my way
[16:02] doop: to not get votekicked from pubs
[16:02] denxi: lol
[16:03] denxi: No you're right, the philosophy is stupid
[16:03] denxi: But it jut reigns in everything to be CF related
[16:03] doop: so if you are making a hypothetical ruleset
[16:04] doop: you can set the philosophy
[16:04] denxi: ?
[16:04] doop: all of this was theoretical stuff
[16:04] doop: theoretically
[16:04] denxi: O
[16:04] doop: you can say thats not the way its going to be done
[16:04] denxi: I was applying to the current situation
[16:04] denxi: lololololololol
[16:04] doop: what situation?
[16:05] denxi: The non hypothetical
[16:05] doop: i guarentee you people would do surveys
[16:05] denxi: Wait now I'm just beign stupid
[16:05] doop: or buy zp
[16:05] doop: if zp items were allowed
[16:07] doop: and if people dont have the means for that
[16:07] doop: they will earn gp
[16:07] doop: to buy crates
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new ruleset: everything allowed -
[15:55] denxi: You're right
[15:55] denxi: It doesnt mean anything more than how much you work outside of CF
[15:55] denxi: and in comparision to life, there's no real distinction
[15:55] denxi: BESIDES
[15:56] denxi: Your level in CF is directly tied in with CF
[15:56] denxi: and I hate that that's the logic I have to present
[15:56] doop: what does rank have to do with anything
[15:56] denxi: But the only truly fair alternative wold be
[15:56] doop: we were discussing?
[15:56] denxi: A custom competitive client made by them
[15:56] doop: the argument was availability of guns
[15:56] doop: not what rank i am ingame
[15:57] denxi: If I said rank then I mispoke
[15:57] doop: rank is level
[15:57] denxi: Rank leve;
[15:57] denxi: w/e
[15:57] denxi: I meant the availibility in GP and CF playing
[15:57] doop: if i do surveys and by 120k zp in 2 hours
[15:58] doop: is much better than getting 1.2k zp in 2 hours
[15:58] doop: buy*
[15:58] denxi: wat
[15:58] doop: so
[15:58] doop: i can play crossfire
[15:58] doop: for 2 hours and earn 1.2k gp
[15:58] denxi: Please retype, I think you mispoke
[15:58] denxi: OOO
[15:58] doop: or i can do surveys for 2 hours
[15:58] denxi: K
[15:58] doop: and buy 120k gp
[15:58] denxi: yea
[15:59] denxi: and the philosphy is
[15:59] denxi: Surveys arent garunteed, and arent directly related to CF
[15:59] doop: how so?
[15:59] doop: they are put on by z8
[15:59] doop: and if you file support tickets
[15:59] doop: you are guarenteed zp
[16:00] denxi: Uhm, support tickets with the actual company dont always give you the ZP
[16:00] denxi: I've had plenty that didnt
[16:00] doop: so file a new one
[16:00] doop: or do a new survey
[16:00] doop: if i play a game
[16:00] doop: and get vote kicked
[16:00] doop: i dont get GP
[16:01] doop: i could play 50 minutes of search and destroy
[16:01] doop: but get vote kicked
[16:01] doop: on the last second
[16:01] doop: and not earn any gp
[16:01] denxi: Yea. And like I said before
[16:01] denxi: the philosophy is keep it CF related
[16:01] denxi: Which is stupid
[16:01] doop: and that philosphy is dumb
[16:01] denxi: [17:02] denxi: Which is stupid
[16:02] doop: so why follow this philosophy?
[16:02] denxi: But it also doesnt make sens eto make people go out of their way in "3rd party" ways to earn the ****
[16:02] doop: how is
[16:02] doop: going to the z8 webpage
[16:02] doop: going out of their way?
[16:02] doop: please elaborate
[16:02] denxi: Gooiing to survey sites
[16:02] doop: mall.z8games.com
[16:02] doop: i have to go out of my way
[16:02] doop: to not get votekicked from pubs
[16:02] denxi: lol
[16:03] denxi: No you're right, the philosophy is stupid
[16:03] denxi: But it jut reigns in everything to be CF related
[16:03] doop: so if you are making a hypothetical ruleset
[16:04] doop: you can set the philosophy
[16:04] denxi: ?
[16:04] doop: all of this was theoretical stuff
[16:04] doop: theoretically
[16:04] denxi: O
[16:04] doop: you can say thats not the way its going to be done
[16:04] denxi: I was applying to the current situation
[16:04] denxi: lololololololol
[16:04] doop: what situation?
[16:05] denxi: The non hypothetical
[16:05] doop: i guarentee you people would do surveys
[16:05] denxi: Wait now I'm just beign stupid
[16:05] doop: or buy zp
[16:05] doop: if zp items were allowed
[16:07] doop: and if people dont have the means for that
[16:07] doop: they will earn gp
[16:07] doop: to buy crates
[16:12] <This user is now offline>
rage quit, i win.
new ruleset: everything allowed
I go update my computer and doop forums an unfinished convo where I say he's right about the availability anyways.
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Finding out how guns relate to one another balance wise, and asking the community what they think CF gameplay should put emphasis on is trying to turn it into CS?
Wat.
I was talking about the entire thread. Armor, maps, gameplay and even guns.
As it stands, the only way to have this game absolutely fair would be:
-Everyone at lan/very low ping (lol)
-No cheating (lol)
-M16, m700, usp/colt/p228 only
-No armor, flash guard, added random crap
-No diffuse/plant kit
That is balance. Is it boring due to very little diversity? Possibly... but that is the truth.
Without actually balancing the game and fixing its problems, those are the rules that are actually balanced.
I don't really care to go into how they could fix the game to make it more balanced, because they never will. Even if z8 wanted to, they need to get permission from their uppers and then from the developers. -
-M16, m700, usp/colt/p228 only
-No armor, flash guard, added random crap
-No diffuse/plant kit
This is only balance if all you consider is the availability.
What sucks is any availability issues could be solved easily with the release of a competitive client, something that G4Box is 100% capable of doing without the help of Smilegate. -
This is only balance if all you consider is the availability.
What sucks is any availability issues could be solved easily with the release of a competitive client, something that G4Box is 100% capable of doing without the help of Smilegate.
I snickered a little.
Not going to lie, I don't have the will to really debate or go into long posts anymore about this game. That died a long time ago. The truth is that this game isn't balanced. It has fundamental problems, even in its movements. It will not be fixed just because a handful of players think they know what they are talking about (me/us?). Only the most basic, ground breaking things will possibly be changed... maybe... I mean, I can still roll around the entire map as fast as running, while silent. Still have guns that do full wallbang damage.
I'd stick with what has worked. As far as balance goes, the WCG rules are decent. -
I snickered a little.
If you're snickering at the accuracy of that statement, I'll say the phrasing was used under poetic license or some ****.
- G4 can choose what updates they release. They have access to all the data files that are already released.
- G4 has the license to release this game in the NA specific areas. As long as they pay their fee to Smilegate (or w/e company made it, **** if I can remember), I would assume they don't care whether G4 actually makes a profit off of it.
This would suggest G4 is completely able to do this. If they worked this in with specific competitive based limitations, I have little doubt they could still run a profit off of the normal servers (obviously I don't have the numbers to back this up)
If you're snickering at the fact that I'm even bringing up this as even a partially possible thing, what can I say, I'm an optimist (not really, just a positive pessimist. Definitely not an optometrist.) -
If you're snickering at the accuracy of that statement, I'll say the phrasing was used under poetic license or some ****.
- G4 can choose what updates they release. They have access to all the data files that are already released.
- G4 has the license to release this game in the NA specific areas. As long as they pay their fee to Smilegate (or w/e company made it, **** if I can remember), I would assume they don't care whether G4 actually makes a profit off of it.
This would suggest G4 is completely able to do this. If they worked this in with specific competitive based limitations, I have little doubt they could still run a profit off of the normal servers (obviously I don't have the numbers to back this up)
If you're snickering at the fact that I'm even bringing up this as even a partially possible thing, what can I say, I'm an optimist (not really, just a positive pessimist. Definitely not an optometrist.)
Bingo. . -
[13:01] doop:
[13:27] denxi: pay to play is dumb though
[13:27] denxi: can you buy an extra serve in tennis?
[13:27] doop: what do you mean pay to play?
[13:28] denxi: pay to win*
[13:28] denxi: as in buy advantages
Tennis rackets, shoes, clothing?
are they not advantages? -
This isn't CF China doopcan we stop doing ******ed **** and just allow armor?
inb4 BUT OH NOES I DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY
either do surveys, spend money on ZP, convince people to buy you ZP, or don't play the league.
armor will solve most of the problems. several other versions of crossfire allow armor in their leagues. also since we are only doing wcg maps, we might as well do armor as well so they at least play the same. -
is gun balance really the issue or is it things like . if u give a buncha good players xm8. they will start most rounds 3v5 from shooting people through walls on many maps. good vs good even. adding certain things changes the way maps are played.
gun for gun? if its not luck based getting it i dont see why it shouldnt be allowed. ie no coupon guns and no crate guns simple i think o_O
another way to ask if balance matters truely is if i take an uzi vs atleast 60% of cf players 1v1 i can probly never die if i try hard. does that make uzi op vs the gold ak the noob has? o_O
TERRAN IS ONLY IMBA CAUSE FLASH uses it blah blah -
is gun balance really the issue or is it things like . if u give a buncha good players xm8. they will start most rounds 3v5 from shooting people through walls on many maps. good vs good even. adding certain things changes the way maps are played.
gun for gun? if its not luck based getting it i dont see why it shouldnt be allowed. ie no coupon guns and no crate guns simple i think o_O
another way to ask if balance matters truely is if i take an uzi vs atleast 60% of cf players 1v1 i can probly never die if i try hard. does that make uzi op vs the gold ak the noob has? o_O
TERRAN IS ONLY IMBA CAUSE FLASH uses it blah blah
myawm op with xm8. nerf now
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