So I'm going to work out a blanced set of guns for comp play.
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I don't need any helpers, the shooting range will suffice for the vast majority, if not all of the tests I need.
What I DO need, is community discussion regarding what kind of gameplay we want for CF. For example, I spoke to a few people a while ago about their opinions on a ruleset that removed all 1 shot headshot automatic guns, which would change some of the emphasis the game places on certain areas. The flaw that was consistently brought up was the game's reg probably being an issue.
Any sort of discussion regarding what kind of gameplay you think CF should be based around, and works well around, is appreciated, as without that basis it is very hard to set a line where a gun can be considered balanced or not.
Please make use of Fallout's thread: http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=195161
Thanks much.
P.S. I have a hunch that this'll end up at the AK and M4 being banned, with the QBZ being the staple gun. Just some guesswork.
What I DO need, is community discussion regarding what kind of gameplay we want for CF. For example, I spoke to a few people a while ago about their opinions on a ruleset that removed all 1 shot headshot automatic guns, which would change some of the emphasis the game places on certain areas. The flaw that was consistently brought up was the game's reg probably being an issue.
Any sort of discussion regarding what kind of gameplay you think CF should be based around, and works well around, is appreciated, as without that basis it is very hard to set a line where a gun can be considered balanced or not.
Please make use of Fallout's thread: http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=195161
Thanks much.
P.S. I have a hunch that this'll end up at the AK and M4 being banned, with the QBZ being the staple gun. Just some guesswork.
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can we stop doing ******ed **** and just allow armor?
inb4 BUT OH NOES I DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY
either do surveys, spend money on ZP, convince people to buy you ZP, or don't play the league.
armor will solve most of the problems. several other versions of crossfire allow armor in their leagues. also since we are only doing wcg maps, we might as well do armor as well so they at least play the same. -
can we stop doing ******ed **** and just allow armor?
inb4 BUT OH NOES I DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY
either do surveys, spend money on ZP, convince people to buy you ZP, or don't play the league.
armor will solve most of the problems. several other versions of crossfire allow armor in their leagues. also since we are only wcg maps, we might as well do armor so they at least play the same.
Also there are plenty of pub teams that will gladly accept you to join and be their esg team, the leader will most likely provide sufficient armor funds. -
can we stop doing ******ed **** and just allow armor?
inb4 BUT OH NOES I DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY
either do surveys, spend money on ZP, convince people to buy you ZP, or don't play the league.
armor will solve most of the problems. several other versions of crossfire allow armor in their leagues. also since we are only doing wcg maps, we might as well do armor as well so they at least play the same.
or use an AK -
can we stop doing ******ed **** and just allow armor?
inb4 BUT OH NOES I DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY
either do surveys, spend money on ZP, convince people to buy you ZP, or don't play the league.
armor will solve most of the problems. several other versions of crossfire allow armor in their leagues. also since we are only doing wcg maps, we might as well do armor as well so they at least play the same.
Tell z8 to make it GP then. -
Jakedotdot wrote: »Tell z8 to make it GP then.
Why does armor need to be GP for a league to use it? That is a stupid argument. If you don't want to pay for armor you can still compete in the league. You will be at a disadvantage, that's all.
Anyways if armor was GP the least it would cost in my opinion would be around 82,500 GP for 30 days or 237,500 GP for 90 days. I calculated this by converting ZP to GP using the 120k GP + Hazard Name Card conversion, because that is the most efficient ZP to GP ratio.
People pay to play in leagues in other games, I don't see why everyone is so opposed to doing the same thing in crossfire.
Hai Guiz, I will play in ze league for fwee for a chans at gewd munny. My mummy saiz no spend $ on vidja gayme, so no armur pulzz. -
When determining 1 shot capabilities, is this ranged or power based?
Some rifles are capable of only 1 shot headshot at certain ranges.
If its based purely on the power of being able to headshot with one bullet, that effectively eliminates most (I believe almost all, I don't recall many if any not being capable of such) rifles.
Most I talk to tend to find CF rather fast paced. -
I'm confused why you are doing this...ESG has it's rules and no other org is around.
Because there hasn't been a balanced ruleset that has been backed up by actual facts. Hell, most of the community has been operating under the assumption that the SL is OP, which was recently proved false. I likw correcting things.[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »its based purely on the power of being able to headshot with one bullet
This one.
Remember that that was just an example. -
can we stop doing ******ed **** and just allow armor?
inb4 BUT OH NOES I DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY
either do surveys, spend money on ZP, convince people to buy you ZP, or don't play the league.
armor will solve most of the problems. several other versions of crossfire allow armor in their leagues. also since we are only doing wcg maps, we might as well do armor as well so they at least play the same.
im inclined to agree with doop on this one for the following reasons:
-the overall aim of players will be forced to increase (headshots over body shots)
-it would eliminate all the sly mother ****ers who wear it in scrims behind everyones back
I dont personally know the zp price on armor, however I can probably guess it really isnt that much -
im inclined to agree with doop on this one for the following reasons:
-the overall aim of players will be forced to increase (headshots over body shots)
-it would eliminate all the sly mother ****ers who wear it in scrims behind everyones back
I dont personally know the zp price on armor, however I can probably guess it really isnt that much
28.5K ZP for 90 days of vest helm ($26.48 = 30K ZP) -
[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »When determining 1 shot capabilities, is this ranged or power based?
Some rifles are capable of only 1 shot headshot at certain ranges.
If its based purely on the power of being able to headshot with one bullet, that effectively eliminates most (I believe almost all, I don't recall many if any not being capable of such) rifles.
Most I talk to tend to find CF rather fast paced.
once again, I cannot back this with evidence, however if some weapons require 2 bullet shots to the head to headshot when armor is in use, that sounds fine to me... I imagine that the ak47 is one of the weapons that 1 bullet hs, and m4 is part of the category that 2 bullets...
kinda reminds me of that popular fps game that really kick started competitive bomb match games, god what was the name of that game again... <-- lol28.5K ZP for 90 days of vest helm ($26.48 = 30K ZP)
ya that sounds completely reasonable, I spent 60 bucks on Project blackout to be able to prepare for PBIC considering it was a full cash tournament -
Difference in reg between allowing armor and banning all 1 shot headshot guns is...?
Allows people to use more than just:
m16
famas
scar heavy
sg552
aug
tar
type 89 (wall bang)
QBZ as you suggested, is a 1 hs kill gun.
Armor changes the game from getting 1 random head shot (unless you ak or use a similar powered gun), to having to get a head shot + 1 additional hit. Since it takes more body shots to kill, the effect of a missed hit due to "reg" isn't as dramatic.
No armor: 5 hits to kill (X is hit, Y is no reg)
X
X
X
Y
X
Armor: 7 hits to kill (X is hit, Y is no reg)
X
X
X
Y
X
X
X
The percentage of life undamaged due to bad reg is smaller. Thus, not as punishing to players. -
I don't need any helpers, the shooting range will suffice for the vast majority, if not all of the tests I need.
What I DO need, is community discussion regarding what kind of gameplay we want for CF. For example, I spoke to a few people a while ago about their opinions on a ruleset that removed all 1 shot headshot automatic guns, which would change some of the emphasis the game places on certain areas. The flaw that was consistently brought up was the game's reg probably being an issue.
Any sort of discussion regarding what kind of gameplay you think CF should be based around, and works well around, is appreciated, as without that basis it is very hard to set a line where a gun can be considered balanced or not.
Please make use of Fallout's thread: http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=195161
Thanks much.
P.S. I have a hunch that this'll end up at the AK and M4 being banned, with the QBZ being the staple gun. Just some guesswork.
No m4 and no AK?????
That and the awm, are what most people use -_- -
Allows people to use more than just:
m16
famas
scar heavy
sg552
aug
tar
type 89 (wall bang)
QBZ as you suggested, is a 1 hs kill gun.
Armor changes the game from getting 1 random head shot (unless you ak or use a similar powered gun), to having to get a head shot + 1 additional hit. Since it takes more body shots to kill, the effect of a missed hit due to "reg" isn't as dramatic.
No armor: 5 hits to kill (X is hit, Y is no reg)
X
X
X
Y
X
Armor: 7 hits to kill (X is hit, Y is no reg)
X
X
X
Y
X
X
X
The percentage of life undamaged due to bad reg is smaller. Thus, not as punishing to players.
[13:36] doop: sorry but i want to use more than these guns
[13:36] doop: m16
famas
scar heavy
sg552
aug
tar
type 89 (wall bang)
[13:36] denxi: Somebody forgot MP5 and shotguns
[13:36] doop: you said rifles
[13:36] denxi: all the SMGs
[13:36] doop: nm
[13:36] denxi: No, I said we'd remove all guns that had 1 shot hs, which would mean removing a ton of rifle
[13:36] denxi: s
[13:36] doop: i misinterpreted automatic guns for rifles
[13:37] denxi: Also, the QBZ prediction and the 1 shot HS thing were completely seperate
Easier than typing it out again. -
Allows people to use more than just:
m16
famas
scar heavy
sg552
aug
tar
type 89 (wall bang)
QBZ as you suggested, is a 1 hs kill gun.
Armor changes the game from getting 1 random head shot (unless you ak or use a similar powered gun), to having to get a head shot + 1 additional hit. Since it takes more body shots to kill, the effect of a missed hit due to "reg" isn't as dramatic.
No armor: 5 hits to kill (X is hit, Y is no reg)
X
X
X
Y
X
Armor: 7 hits to kill (X is hit, Y is no reg)
X
X
X
Y
X
X
X
The percentage of life undamaged due to bad reg is smaller. Thus, not as punishing to players.
i wish no reg worked this way -
I'm for having armor, the problem however lays between the leagues and z8. It doesn't make sense to pay 26$ to z8 to play in a league that isn't working with them. I'm sure ESG and z8 have been in talks and have worked something out, but I assume no one outside of those parties know. If the money spent on armor was going into the prize pot, it'd make sense.
I also don't understand why Doop would be in support of armor. I'm pretty sure I've seen you make posts about how the AK is the most OP rifle (which I disagree with), but with that thinking, allowing the use of armor would just make the AK even more "OP". -
can we stop doing ******ed **** and just allow armor?
inb4 BUT OH NOES I DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY
either do surveys, spend money on ZP, convince people to buy you ZP, or don't play the league.
armor will solve most of the problems. several other versions of crossfire allow armor in their leagues. also since we are only doing wcg maps, we might as well do armor as well so they at least play the same.
I am pretty sure nearly every team that mattered in S1 agreed. I am really not sure why its such a big deal. I think the original idea was something like a package that would provide armor/helm for the duration of the tournament.
Pretty sure not every one AK'd at WCG. -
I'm for having armor, the problem however lays between the leagues and z8. It doesn't make sense to pay 26$ to z8 to play in a league that isn't working with them. I'm sure ESG and z8 have been in talks and have worked something out, but I assume no one outside of those parties know. If the money spent on armor was going into the prize pot, it'd make sense.
I also don't understand why Doop would be in support of armor. I'm pretty sure I've seen you make posts about how the AK is the most OP rifle (which I disagree with), but with that thinking, allowing the use of armor would just make the AK even more "OP".
AK spray pattern width is 2 CM tighter than the M4 pattern, with the only vertical change being the recoil in the first 5 ish shots. -
I'd support having armor in a league if the prize was worth the money /or Z8 offered a cheap armor team package for the contenders.
As a side not, dumb idea: S&D 'Armor Mode' - Each player recieves an armor tocken at the start of each round. 2 tockens for body, 3 tockens for body + head. Would give the players more to think about than just run & gun. Bring it a bit to a CS style of intellect. -
I also don't understand why Doop would be in support of armor. I'm pretty sure I've seen you make posts about how the AK is the most OP rifle (which I disagree with), but with that thinking, allowing the use of armor would just make the AK even more "OP".
AK is mainly OP because of the spray spread not the damage in my opinion. -
I'd support having armor in a league if the prize was worth the money /or Z8 offered a cheap armor team package for the contenders.
As a side not, dumb idea: S&D 'Armor Mode' - Each player recieves an armor tocken at the start of each round. 2 tockens for body, 3 tockens for body + head. Would give the players more to think about than just run & gun. Bring it a bit to a CS style of intellect.
I believe z8 used to offer clan "item bundles" in the clan items section in the mall. Not sure what happened to that functionality.
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