Hackers Are Important
I have been observing what goes on on the forums, the threads about the many illegal program usage within the game, the new modes coming out, suggestions for Crossfire's future, and most of the other conversations awakened in the Crossfire forums.
However, my attention did not shoot toward suggestions and discussions about upcoming modes and weapons, my attention looked directly toward the complainers about the illegal program usage, including the people who reply to the thread with an unnecessary "word", I should say, that usually awakens an argument from it's sleep. The word is QQ.
This thread was mainly started to disagree with the Moderators, the Game Moderators, and the Crossfire players, which is pretty much the forum. Threads that complain about the illegal program usage are referred to as "QQ" threads, correct? That, I can agree with, but only slightly. Without the "QQ" threads in the first place, how would the Moderators and Game Moderators be aware of the hacking issue? The Moderators and Game Moderators barely play Crossfire, therefore, they wouldn't be aware of the continuous illegal program usage within the game.
However, that is not the reason why I created this thread. I created this thread, to prove, without any deniable information, that hackers, also known as illegal program users, are indeed, important to our community.
However, I am not siding with the hackers, I'm just stating their importance, which can positively affect the forum by eliminating some of the threads that go on about hackers.
In my Language Arts class, which I take in school, we learned about a Hero, and a Villain, according to a story, of course. Think about this very clearly, as for I will not go into much detail. Is a Hero a Hero without a Villain, or a certain role that involves helping?
If your mind cannot decide with an answer, here's the answer I've received in class, that will change the way you think. Without a Villain, or a conflict/problem, the Hero doesn't exist.
Without hackers, or some type of conflict, would the Moderators have any purpose of being on the forums? Would the report system have any use at all?
We, the people who dislike the illegal program usage, and solve conflicts that occur on Crossfire and the forums, are the Heroes. The hackers/illegal program users, who continuously hack in public matches on Crossfire and continuously annoy the players that don't use illegal programs, are the Villains.
Without the hackers, without the many problems Crossfire is facing today, there wouldn't be a Hero. There wouldn't be any Moderators. There wouldn't be as much threads as there are at this moment.
This, however, can be taken in a positive, and negative way. Without too many threads, the forum doesn't look to packed, however, without the report system or illegal program users, what use would Moderators be to this forum? Without any conflicts to start up an argument, or cause a problem within the game or forum, why would there be any game Moderators?
A Hero cannot exist, without a Villain.
Conflict starters, and conflicts itself, are important. Without these harmful things, I should say, many jobs in the world today wouldn't exist. The report system's role is to collect replays and explanations of hackers within the game. Without hackers, what use would that be to us? Without conflicts, or problems within the game and forum, what use would a Moderator be? Without any problems at all in the game, what use would a Game Moderator be? To inform us about upcoming events? Who cares.
The point is, you guys are missing the whole thing. The complaining about hackers and complaining about "QQ" threads about hacks are completely useful. Without these, most of the people you know today, you wouldn't know. The Moderators' role in this forum is to help out with any problems going on, or answer any questions others may have.
Without conflicts, and conflict starters, their roles wouldn't exist, if they did, their role on the forum would be useless and needn't.
Hackers are important, and my speech hopefully proved a point to many complainers about hackers/illegal program users, and, changed the thoughts of many Moderators out there who think bad of illegal program usage complainers.
However, my attention did not shoot toward suggestions and discussions about upcoming modes and weapons, my attention looked directly toward the complainers about the illegal program usage, including the people who reply to the thread with an unnecessary "word", I should say, that usually awakens an argument from it's sleep. The word is QQ.
This thread was mainly started to disagree with the Moderators, the Game Moderators, and the Crossfire players, which is pretty much the forum. Threads that complain about the illegal program usage are referred to as "QQ" threads, correct? That, I can agree with, but only slightly. Without the "QQ" threads in the first place, how would the Moderators and Game Moderators be aware of the hacking issue? The Moderators and Game Moderators barely play Crossfire, therefore, they wouldn't be aware of the continuous illegal program usage within the game.
However, that is not the reason why I created this thread. I created this thread, to prove, without any deniable information, that hackers, also known as illegal program users, are indeed, important to our community.
However, I am not siding with the hackers, I'm just stating their importance, which can positively affect the forum by eliminating some of the threads that go on about hackers.
In my Language Arts class, which I take in school, we learned about a Hero, and a Villain, according to a story, of course. Think about this very clearly, as for I will not go into much detail. Is a Hero a Hero without a Villain, or a certain role that involves helping?
If your mind cannot decide with an answer, here's the answer I've received in class, that will change the way you think. Without a Villain, or a conflict/problem, the Hero doesn't exist.
Without hackers, or some type of conflict, would the Moderators have any purpose of being on the forums? Would the report system have any use at all?
We, the people who dislike the illegal program usage, and solve conflicts that occur on Crossfire and the forums, are the Heroes. The hackers/illegal program users, who continuously hack in public matches on Crossfire and continuously annoy the players that don't use illegal programs, are the Villains.
Without the hackers, without the many problems Crossfire is facing today, there wouldn't be a Hero. There wouldn't be any Moderators. There wouldn't be as much threads as there are at this moment.
This, however, can be taken in a positive, and negative way. Without too many threads, the forum doesn't look to packed, however, without the report system or illegal program users, what use would Moderators be to this forum? Without any conflicts to start up an argument, or cause a problem within the game or forum, why would there be any game Moderators?
A Hero cannot exist, without a Villain.
Conflict starters, and conflicts itself, are important. Without these harmful things, I should say, many jobs in the world today wouldn't exist. The report system's role is to collect replays and explanations of hackers within the game. Without hackers, what use would that be to us? Without conflicts, or problems within the game and forum, what use would a Moderator be? Without any problems at all in the game, what use would a Game Moderator be? To inform us about upcoming events? Who cares.
The point is, you guys are missing the whole thing. The complaining about hackers and complaining about "QQ" threads about hacks are completely useful. Without these, most of the people you know today, you wouldn't know. The Moderators' role in this forum is to help out with any problems going on, or answer any questions others may have.
Without conflicts, and conflict starters, their roles wouldn't exist, if they did, their role on the forum would be useless and needn't.
Hackers are important, and my speech hopefully proved a point to many complainers about hackers/illegal program users, and, changed the thoughts of many Moderators out there who think bad of illegal program usage complainers.
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cccool9252 wrote: »Basically, you think that hackers are important.
Because there is no hero without a villain. I learned that years ago.
I have to disagree with your statement that mods and GM's dont play. They DO play. Evah played with User and Rory bfore?
Notice how I typed "barely". But, thank you for a respectful disagreement. -
Mods play alot. Just because you dont see them doesnt mean they do not play. Same goes for GM's. They dont play on the Gm account for obvious reasons. So that part of your post is trumped. We are very well aware of the situation.
Second part about the villain and hero. Lets say there were no hackers. Ok, people will still come to the forums for help. Not all posts are pointless, sometimes people just post things in the wrong spot by accident. So we move the threads to the correct section so that person can get a better chance of having the right people look at the thread.
Hackers not needed. Long long posts about this....Not needed either. -
You're not understanding. I also typed "conflict", including other problems or questions besides hacking. What will your roles be without questions, without problem solving, without hackers?[MOD]Iceman wrote: »Mods play alot. Just because you dont see them doesnt mean they do not play. Same goes for GM's. They dont play on the Gm account for obvious reasons. So that part of your post is trumped. We are very well aware of the situation.
Second part about the villain and hero. Lets say there were no hackers. Ok, people will still come to the forums for help. Not all posts are pointless, sometimes people just post things in the wrong spot by accident. So we move the threads to the correct section so that person can get a better chance of having the right people look at the thread.
Hackers not needed. Long long posts about this....Not needed either.
Well, that's how I type. I like big paragraphs. That's also how I write in school. -
You are not understanding. Having hundreds of threads made about the same topic(hackers) does nothing. You seem to think it does because YOU assume MODs and GMs dont play. Your assumptions are incorrect.
All the threads do is distract MODs and GMs from working on other things. Get your facts correct before making huge threads. They just wind up closed like your others ones do.
This is how I type. Straight to the point. Pointless gibberish to make a fancy looking thread is not my style. -
[MOD]Iceman wrote: »You are not understanding. Having hundreds of threads made about the same topic(hackers) does nothing. You seem to think it does because YOU assume MODs and GMs dont play. Your assumptions are incorrect.
All the threads do is distract MODs and GMs from working on other things. Get your facts correct before making huge threads. They just wind up closed like your others ones do.
This is how I type. Straight to the point. Pointless gibberish to make a fancy looking thread is not my style.
You still haven't answered the question. What use are Moderators without a conflict or question? They are of no use, which is why hackers, AND CONFLICTS are important. I also don't care if my threads are long, then later closed after all of my hard work. When I create another extended thread, that makes me smarter, and more experienced in large text typing. Did you know I'm not even 14, and I can already type large text such as this? Imagine me at 20. -
I can only speak for myself as a moderator but nothing CF related would make me happier than the day my services become obsolete.You still haven't answered the question. What use are Moderators without a conflict or question? They are of no use, which is why hackers, AND CONFLICTS are important. I also don't care if my threads are long, then later closed after all of my hard work. When I create another extended thread, that makes me smarter, and more experienced in large text typing. Did you know I'm not even 14, and I can already type large text such as this? Imagine me at 20.
Your little thesis assumes the need for a hero and a villain situation.
That is not how a game has to work though. Players and players and nothing in between works just fine.
(I wrote essays when I was 14 too - soon to realize that too many laws applied to the contrary - 5, 9, 11, 23, 46, 47)
Getting your point across with two sentences is more impressive than doing it with fifty. -
I can only speak for myself as a moderator but nothing CF related would make me happier than the day my services become obsolete.
Your little thesis assumes the need for a hero and a villain situation.
That is not how a game has to work though. Players and players and nothing in between works just fine.
But, as for this thread, we're referring to hackers and the people who prevent them. Also conflicts and questions, and the people who solve and answer them. -
There will always be questions, human stupidity makes sure of that. It wouldn't change if hackers disappeared.
Hacking prevention is a necessary evil - if there weren't any hackers in this game, time could be spent elsewhere at no loss.
I can agree with than only 1/2%. The part I disagree with is when you stated time could be spent elsewhere at no loss. It's not that I'm saying that's incorrect, it's that I'm trying to prove that your roles as a Moderator wouldn't exist without conflicts, problems, and questions, which are usually about game problems, hackers, or forum problems, which are conflicts.
I'm not saying all of them are, but most of them are.
Most of the time it's about those conflicts, and only about 1/6 the time it's about a weapon or map etc...
And, we forumers can answer that without Moderators.
Do you get my drift? -
Of course there would be no need for moderators if moderation wasn't necessary.I can agree with than only 1/2%. The part I disagree with is when you stated time could be spent elsewhere at no loss. It's not that I'm saying that's incorrect, it's that I'm trying to prove that your roles as a Moderator wouldn't exist without conflicts, problems, and questions, which are usually about game problems, hackers, or forum problems, which are conflicts.
I'm not saying all of them are, but most of them are.
Most of the time it's about those conflicts, and only about 1/6 the time it's about a weapon or map etc...
And, we forumers can answer that without Moderators.
Do you get my drift?
Thats pretty much self-evident.
I'm not sure what the point is though, I don't like arguing hypotheticals* that will never be realized.
* People will always be stupid enough to need help on occasion. -
I get what your trying to do. I know you just want one of us to say we would be useless. But reality has to settle in on you at some point. Human nature will not change. The hero villain and conflict thing is not a good analogy.
Tapping out before this gets long winded and so far off subject. -
Of course there would be no need for moderators if moderation wasn't necessary.
Thats pretty much self-evident.
I'm not sure what the point is though, I don't like arguing hypotheticals* that will never be realized.
* People will always be stupid enough to need help on occasion.
Alright, looks like this disagreement has come to an end. Thank you for your time. I would like my thread to stay alive and not be closed, therefore, I'll just choose the right decision and agree...dishonestly.
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If you want it to stay alive, argue your point.Alright, looks like this disagreement has come to an end. Thank you for your time. I would like my thread to stay alive and not be closed, therefore, I'll just choose the right decision and agree...dishonestly.
As it stands right now your point is "if there weren't any garbage, we wouldn't need garbage men".
A statement that stands on its own validity but at the same time is ridiculous and pointless, since there will always be garbage. -
If you want it to stay alive, argue your point.
As it stands right now your point is "if there weren't any garbage, we wouldn't need garbage men".
A statement that stands on its own validity but at the same time is ridiculous and pointless, since there will always be garbage.
Ok. Now, back to the topic, I'd like to hear from others. Who knows, they might agree with me. -
You still haven't answered the question. What use are Moderators without a conflict or question? They are of no use, which is why hackers, AND CONFLICTS are important. I also don't care if my threads are long, then later closed after all of my hard work. When I create another extended thread, that makes me smarter, and more experienced in large text typing. Did you know I'm not even 14, and I can already type large text such as this? Imagine me at 20.
There is always conflict as it is human nature. Doesn't have to be hack related. There is many things that require our attention just here on the forums. Let alone what the game requires.
A little clarification is we are Forum Mods, not Game Mods if you think there is any similarity between the two.
There is nothing I'd like more than to have no conflict. I'd love to be out of the job for such an environment.
Granted you have good paragraph and sentence structure, some of your supporting arguments have some small issues is all. After all, large walls of text don't always present valid points. But we are always up for casual debates as long as they don't get out of hand. -
If I'm off topic then I'm sorry, I didn't actually read your post, just deduced from the replies.Ok. Now, back to the topic, I'd like to hear from others. Who knows, they might agree with me.
If its "moderators wouldn't be necessary without hackers" then I'm pretty spot on, and the purpose of a discussion forum is to discuss - not waiting for people to agree with you and dismiss people who don't. -
Well, the whole subject of hacking on these forums in out of proportion anyway. The writers of the rage threads against the hackers, typically are uninformed brats. The moderators who close these threads see it as, rationally, a chore and a tedious part of the job.
Moderators will not go extinct even if hacking vanished because people, as a whole throughout history, have always needed some form of organization to rule them and set boundries. People crave conflict you know, people also crave change. As a result, people tend to be unruly if left alone, it doesn't even have to be hackers that people will rage on. I've seen countless threads begging for ridiculously over-powered guns, and zenophobic threads about BR's "ruining" "their" game.
Hackers as a whole, are important I agree, but not for the same reasons. Hackers are important because they highlight how low a person can go, how pathedic they are a human being to not even spend at least a little time striving to improve. Hackers, are not my bane of existence though, I've had many friends decide to go down that path, and frankly, lost respect for them due to it.
Throughout my time on this game, I've seen the waves hit the shores and attempt to breech the levy, it never truly has. I've let loose a storm of hatred towards those who would kill myself, calling them words of slander such as racker. I have given credit to those I deemed as worthy of a kill or told them "Good job". Overall, if I know one thing, Crossfire is not defined by the current hacking situation, Crossfire is more than that. It's a place for people to interact with others they may never get the chance to see or hear from in the real world. It's also a game run by a company at the same time, it is fun, it is addicting.
While that last paragraph was off-topic, moderators won't go away just because hackers would, there will always be a conflict because thats just how we are as a species. As long as there is conflict there will be a need for those to sort of the conflict, those people are moderators, end of story. -
Jeezus, u got some lections at school and you are allready acting like you ate the wisdom of the world.
There is no heroes without villain, thats correct, but for everyday happy life, people DO NOT NEED and DO NOT WANT heroes, they wanna live their slightly boring (cause who likes too much changes, huh ?) lives, with their friends and surroundings. Slowly creating a better world. Hero only saves from evil, he doesnt build new things or invent cars.
SO please, think more before posting, and think more before wanting to be a hero. Meanwhile get some life experience.
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Even if there were no hackers people would still hackusation, so there will still be hacker threads and QQing but alot less. most hackusations are mainly by noobs in pubs seeing someone get a 4k and assuming they must be a hacker.
secondly there are already many other issues and complaints that will allow your so called hero's still be hero's. these issues involve bugs in cf, hardware issues, tips on editing and countless others that will always be around.
more people would play this game if there were less hackers, meaning z8 sells more zp and gets more money thats important to them not hackers.
anyway despit having said all this, this is a free to play game and most likley will always have hackers, but in no way shape or form are they important. its like saying terrorists are important. -
DUDE, Are you stupid or what? Its like saying that killers are important in RL b/c if not the police would not be necessary, seriously? Are you just trolling or are you serious? The forums would be just as used, and Mods and GMs would be just as necessary since new patches would still become available, new players will keep apprearing with questions and events would still be planned, so the forum would be used anyway. Seriously, dont take school too seriously, 99% of the dtuff you learn is useless. Also, 70% of the statistics random people say are invented.
EDIT: Besides, conflicts would still exist even if there were no hackers, people are irrespectfull, insult other, call them names ,etc. and moderation would be still needed. There are times when there are no hackers for a few weeks and the forum and Mods dont disappear u.u -
Getting your point across with two sentences is more impressive than doing it with fifty.
Exactly ... an when this liitle boy grows up he will realise that ..
He obviously has not looked around the forums, yes there are alot of QQ hack threads but there is so much more on so many different subjects and that by nature needs moderating, MODS are not always right ( though they think they are ) and close threads we think shouldn't ect ect but on the whole they do a valuble job an thats not because of hack QQ threads but chaos would ensue if we were all left to own devices !. -
For all of you who disagree with my statement, I clearly stated that any conflict, not just including illegal program usage, is needed for a hero, which according to my thread, is referring to the Moderators. I didn't just say illegal program usage, as some of you may think. I've also stated questions about a conflict in the game, forum, computer, etc...
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For all of you who disagree with my statement, I clearly stated that any conflict, not just including illegal program usage, is needed for a hero, which according to my thread, is referring to the Moderators. I didn't just say illegal program usage, as some of you may think. I've also stated questions about a conflict in the game, forum, computer, etc...
The fact that you think a moderator who will intervene in minor conflict of opinions on a forum website should be given the title of "HERO" says allot, you need to set your "HERO" standard a bit higher ...
definition of " HERO " ...
he·roes
1. In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods.
2. A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life:
LoL so which MOD we talking about ...?????? -
I have been observing what goes on on the forums, the threads about the many illegal program usage within the game, the new modes coming out, suggestions for Crossfire's future, and most of the other conversations awakened in the Crossfire forums.
However, my attention did not shoot toward suggestions and discussions about upcoming modes and weapons, my attention looked directly toward the complainers about the illegal program usage, including the people who reply to the thread with an unnecessary "word", I should say, that usually awakens an argument from it's sleep. The word is QQ.
This thread was mainly started to disagree with the Moderators, the Game Moderators, and the Crossfire players, which is pretty much the forum. Threads that complain about the illegal program usage are referred to as "QQ" threads, correct? That, I can agree with, but only slightly. Without the "QQ" threads in the first place, how would the Moderators and Game Moderators be aware of the hacking issue? The Moderators and Game Moderators barely play Crossfire, therefore, they wouldn't be aware of the continuous illegal program usage within the game.
However, that is not the reason why I created this thread. I created this thread, to prove, without any deniable information, that hackers, also known as illegal program users, are indeed, important to our community.
However, I am not siding with the hackers, I'm just stating their importance, which can positively affect the forum by eliminating some of the threads that go on about hackers.
In my Language Arts class, which I take in school, we learned about a Hero, and a Villain, according to a story, of course. Think about this very clearly, as for I will not go into much detail. Is a Hero a Hero without a Villain, or a certain role that involves helping?
If your mind cannot decide with an answer, here's the answer I've received in class, that will change the way you think. Without a Villain, or a conflict/problem, the Hero doesn't exist.
Without hackers, or some type of conflict, would the Moderators have any purpose of being on the forums? Would the report system have any use at all?
We, the people who dislike the illegal program usage, and solve conflicts that occur on Crossfire and the forums, are the Heroes. The hackers/illegal program users, who continuously hack in public matches on Crossfire and continuously annoy the players that don't use illegal programs, are the Villains.
Without the hackers, without the many problems Crossfire is facing today, there wouldn't be a Hero. There wouldn't be any Moderators. There wouldn't be as much threads as there are at this moment.
This, however, can be taken in a positive, and negative way. Without too many threads, the forum doesn't look to packed, however, without the report system or illegal program users, what use would Moderators be to this forum? Without any conflicts to start up an argument, or cause a problem within the game or forum, why would there be any game Moderators?
A Hero cannot exist, without a Villain.
Conflict starters, and conflicts itself, are important. Without these harmful things, I should say, many jobs in the world today wouldn't exist. The report system's role is to collect replays and explanations of hackers within the game. Without hackers, what use would that be to us? Without conflicts, or problems within the game and forum, what use would a Moderator be? Without any problems at all in the game, what use would a Game Moderator be? To inform us about upcoming events? Who cares.
The point is, you guys are missing the whole thing. The complaining about hackers and complaining about "QQ" threads about hacks are completely useful. Without these, most of the people you know today, you wouldn't know. The Moderators' role in this forum is to help out with any problems going on, or answer any questions others may have.
Without conflicts, and conflict starters, their roles wouldn't exist, if they did, their role on the forum would be useless and needn't.
Hackers are important, and my speech hopefully proved a point to many complainers about hackers/illegal program users, and, changed the thoughts of many Moderators out there who think bad of illegal program usage complainers.
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Man hac,kers are NOT important, if there wasnt any hacker much more ppl would play the game, and much more people will post on forun so guy shut up, and go to a corner and think about what u said. -
If the world we lived in was perfect, there would be no need for police, no need for war, and no need for conflict. But this isn't a perfect world.For all of you who disagree with my statement, I clearly stated that any conflict, not just including illegal program usage, is needed for a hero, which according to my thread, is referring to the Moderators. I didn't just say illegal program usage, as some of you may think. I've also stated questions about a conflict in the game, forum, computer, etc...
To control those outspoken individuals who believe they have every right to whatever they damn well please, there needs to be an established police.
It's not about heros, it's about control. -
As you see hackers are part of Obama's plan... He hired hack developers which gave xtrap and various other hack preventers jobs and with hack preventing jobs came a better game, with a better game more players, more players is more money for the game company, more money for game company is better game, better game is more competition is more jobs!!!!
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