Disagreement
I remember in one thread about trading/selling Crossfire accounts, a Moderator stated that trading or selling Crossfire accounts can result in a permanent ban because the account is not fully yours.
I, must disagree with that statement. If the account isn't fully owned by us, then why are there ZP payments and account retrieving?
Considering that we purchased ZP on the account, the account must be ours, otherwise it can be very risky when purchasing ZP, especially the 100,000 ZP, considering the fact that the price ranges astonishingly to approximately $100.00
Suppose an extremely intelligent computer hacker that just so happens to be playing Crossfire discovered a way to hack into the Crossfire private files, purchase histories, etc...?
You all remember the hackers that hacked the PlayStation 3 network, correct?
Just imagine if that happened to Crossfire. The hackers would find all of our credit card numbers and purchase histories, our usernames and passwords, including other private account information, and then what happens next?
The blame goes on you guys.
My point is, the account is definitely ours 100%, considering that the only way to log on to it requires a username and a password, which was chosen by you, which means, the account can only be accessed by your password entry, not even the Game Moderators, which means, the account is yours, 100%
So, considering that the account can only be accessed by your username and password entry, then that makes it yours 100%.
When we purchase ZP, I wouldn't necessarily say that it'd be your fault if something goes wrong, considering that we took the risk, but as for the password and username entry, that proves me point.
As for the trading and selling accounts, that should also not be considered against the rules. I believe it should just be a risky decision, but not against the rules.
Just a little advice for you arguers out there:
If you want to win an argument, you want to WIN!
Therefore, for every little detail you find in your argument side that can be deniable, you have to add things to it, or take it off for that matter, and create something different.
I, must disagree with that statement. If the account isn't fully owned by us, then why are there ZP payments and account retrieving?
Considering that we purchased ZP on the account, the account must be ours, otherwise it can be very risky when purchasing ZP, especially the 100,000 ZP, considering the fact that the price ranges astonishingly to approximately $100.00
Suppose an extremely intelligent computer hacker that just so happens to be playing Crossfire discovered a way to hack into the Crossfire private files, purchase histories, etc...?
You all remember the hackers that hacked the PlayStation 3 network, correct?
Just imagine if that happened to Crossfire. The hackers would find all of our credit card numbers and purchase histories, our usernames and passwords, including other private account information, and then what happens next?
The blame goes on you guys.
My point is, the account is definitely ours 100%, considering that the only way to log on to it requires a username and a password, which was chosen by you, which means, the account can only be accessed by your password entry, not even the Game Moderators, which means, the account is yours, 100%
So, considering that the account can only be accessed by your username and password entry, then that makes it yours 100%.
When we purchase ZP, I wouldn't necessarily say that it'd be your fault if something goes wrong, considering that we took the risk, but as for the password and username entry, that proves me point.
As for the trading and selling accounts, that should also not be considered against the rules. I believe it should just be a risky decision, but not against the rules.
Just a little advice for you arguers out there:
If you want to win an argument, you want to WIN!
Therefore, for every little detail you find in your argument side that can be deniable, you have to add things to it, or take it off for that matter, and create something different.
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Thats True But very deepI remember in one thread about trading/selling Crossfire accounts, a Moderator stated that trading or selling Crossfire accounts can result in a permanent ban because the account is not fully yours.
I, must disagree with that statement. If the account isn't fully owned by us, then why are there ZP payments and account retrieving?
Considering that we purchased ZP on the account, the account must be ours, otherwise it can be very risky when purchasing ZP, especially the 100,000 ZP, considering the fact that the price ranges astonishingly to approximately 100.00$
Suppose an extremely intelligent computer hacker that just so happens to be playing Crossfire discovered a way to hack into the Crossfire private files, purchase histories, etc...?
You all remember the hackers that hacked the PlayStation 3 network, correct?
Just imagine if that happened to Crossfire. The hackers would find all of our credit card numbers and purchase histories, our usernames and passwords, including other private account information, and then what happens next?
The blame goes on you guys.
My point is, the account is definitely ours 100%, considering that the only way to log on to it requires a username and a password, which was chosen by you, which means, the account can only be accessed by your password entry, not even the Game Moderators, which means, the account is yours, 100%
So, considering that the account can only be accessed by your username and password entry, then that makes it yours 100%.
When we purchase ZP, I wouldn't necessarily say that it'd be your fault if something goes wrong, considering that we took the risk, but as for the password and username entry, that proves me point.
As for the trading and selling accounts, that should also not be considered against the rules. I believe it should just be a risky decision, but not against the rules.
Whenever you give out your bank credintials or any personal information over any secure web form you are at the mercy of hackers who choose to illegally steal that information -
Thats True But very deep
Whenever you give out your bank credintials or any personal information over any secure web form you are at the mercy of hackers who choose to illegally steal that information
I fully agree, which is why I stated that the ZP purchase is more of our fault than the Game Moderators fault, considering that we chose to make that decision and go for the risk, even when extremely intelligent computer hackers are on the loose. -
To put it simple, the ZP is yours, the account isn't.
PlayStation Network was only attacked because they left themselves open. It's not like Lulzsec needed to find a way into PSN's DB.
Z8 use third party affiliates for ZP purchasing, such as PayPal, or MoneyBookers. Hacking into the Z8 database would gain little, if any, financial gain.
The only reason you get warning stating 'never give your password out to admins', is because admins simply don't need your password.
More good than bad comes from trading anything online, especially virtual goods. -
I remember in one thread about trading/selling Crossfire accounts, a Moderator stated that trading or selling Crossfire accounts can result in a permanent ban because the account is not fully yours.
I, must disagree with that statement. If the account isn't fully owned by us, then why are there ZP payments and account retrieving?
Considering that we purchased ZP on the account, the account must be ours, otherwise it can be very risky when purchasing ZP, especially the 100,000 ZP, considering the fact that the price ranges astonishingly to approximately $100.00
Suppose an extremely intelligent computer hacker that just so happens to be playing Crossfire discovered a way to hack into the Crossfire private files, purchase histories, etc...?
You all remember the hackers that hacked the PlayStation 3 network, correct?
Just imagine if that happened to Crossfire. The hackers would find all of our credit card numbers and purchase histories, our usernames and passwords, including other private account information, and then what happens next?
The blame goes on you guys.
My point is, the account is definitely ours 100%, considering that the only way to log on to it requires a username and a password, which was chosen by you, which means, the account can only be accessed by your password entry, not even the Game Moderators, which means, the account is yours, 100%
So, considering that the account can only be accessed by your username and password entry, then that makes it yours 100%.
When we purchase ZP, I wouldn't necessarily say that it'd be your fault if something goes wrong, considering that we took the risk, but as for the password and username entry, that proves me point.
As for the trading and selling accounts, that should also not be considered against the rules. I believe it should just be a risky decision, but not against the rules.
Just a little advice for you arguers out there:
If you want to win an argument, you want to WIN!
Therefore, for every little detail you find in your argument side that can be deniable, you have to add things to it, or take it off for that matter, and create something different.
I own a bike. I let you use the bike, which you access by unlocking the padlock on it which has a code you set and tell me. You give me money, and in return I decorate the bike with things like stickers. I may even upgrade it with a bell if you want me to.
Does that mean it's your bike? -
I own a bike. I let you use the bike, which you access by unlocking the padlock on it which has a code you set and tell me. You give me money, and in return I decorate the bike with things like stickers. I may even upgrade it with a bell if you want me to.
Does that mean it's your bike?
uhmm could be? btw how does a bell upgrade a bike ^^ -
You do know that GM's and G4Box staff can go into your account right? They have access to ALL the accounts made in Cross Fire.
When you lease a car with your own money, does that make the car yours? No. That makes the car your responsibility, but you don't own it. You can't just go out and trade or sell that vehicle, it's not yours to trade or sell. Your account is provided as a service. Read up on the Terms of Service. -
I own a bike. I let you use the bike, which you access by unlocking the padlock on it which has a code you set and tell me. You give me money, and in return I decorate the bike with things like stickers. I may even upgrade it with a bell if you want me to.
Does that mean it's your bike?
Best.
Analogy.
Ever. -
To put it simple, the ZP is yours, the account isn't.
PlayStation Network was only attacked because they left themselves open. It's not like Lulzsec needed to find a way into PSN's DB.
Z8 use third party affiliates for ZP purchasing, such as PayPal, or MoneyBookers. Hacking into the Z8 database would gain little, if any, financial gain.
The only reason you get warning stating 'never give your password out to admins', is because admins simply don't need your password.
More good than bad comes from trading anything online, especially virtual goods.
I can only agree with 3/4 of what you stated. As for the account ownership, I still believe it should be ours, especially since something terrible can happen. Another reason is anything that is only accessible by you, is yours, no doubt what so ever. -
I own a bike. I let you use the bike, which you access by unlocking the padlock on it which has a code you set and tell me. You give me money, and in return I decorate the bike with things like stickers. I may even upgrade it with a bell if you want me to.
Does that mean it's your bike?
Pretty much this.
You got the account from Z8games. They let you play on it but you didn't have to buy ZP but you did. -
I own a bike. I let you use the bike, which you access by unlocking the padlock on it which has a code you set and tell me. You give me money, and in return I decorate the bike with things like stickers. I may even upgrade it with a bell if you want me to.
Does that mean it's your bike?
it means that you're gay because you're riding a bike with stickers and a bell -
I own a bike. I let you use the bike, which you access by unlocking the padlock on it which has a code you set and tell me. You give me money, and in return I decorate the bike with things like stickers. I may even upgrade it with a bell if you want me to.
Does that mean it's your bike?
That's has no identical relationship to what I've posted. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »You do know that GM's and G4Box staff can go into your account right? They have access to ALL the accounts made in Cross Fire.
When you lease a car with your own money, does that make the car yours? No. That makes the car your responsibility, but you don't own it. You can't just go out and trade or sell that vehicle, it's not yours to trade or sell. Your account is provided as a service. Read up on the Terms of Service.
That has no identical relationship to what I've posted. -
you're so dumb on so many levels it's not even funny.
read the TOS
You first, read my post. I am disagreeing with the TOS, although I agreed with it, I am disagreeing with some of it's rules, but I'm not disobeying them, because that can result in a ban. -
How does it not have any relationship?
Terms of Use:
"This agreement ("Agreement") constitutes a binding contract between you and G4BOX Inc. and governs your use of www.z8games.com (the "Service").
Your account is provided to you as a service. You did not buy ownership rights to that account. It has perfect relationship to what you posted. -
want to know why the account is z8's property?
because when you signed up and agreed to the ToS, it states it in there, by ticking the little box, you agreed that it is their property, and they cn do what they want with it.
and yes, this is a legally binding contract.
so its their property, cz you signed to say it was. -
Actually, if the account is being borrowed, then there is a time limit to your ownership of the account, therefore, we are owning the account since there is unlimited usage to the account.Yes it does.
Z8 owns all access to their game. They provide you the access for free. They don't give it up to you, they say "Here, you can borrow this." -
want to know why the account is z8's property?
because when you signed up and agreed to the ToS, it states it in there, by ticking the little box, you agreed that it is their property, and they cn do what they want with it.
and yes, this is a legally binding contract.
so its their property, cz you signed to say it was.
you literally posted what i was just about to post.
u psychic? -
Actually, if the account is being borrowed, then there is a time limit to your ownership of the account, therefore, we are owning the account since there is unlimited usage to the account.
you borrow it until z8games explodes into a million pieces
that's a time limit -
Actually, if the account is being borrowed, then there is a time limit to your ownership of the account, therefore, we are owning the account since there is unlimited usage to the account.
in·def·i·niteAdjective/inˈdefənit/
1. Lasting for an unknown length of time: "indefinite detention".
2. Not clearly expressed or defined; vague: "their status remains indefinite". -
The fact that you say it's 100% your's, then go on saying random stuff that you clearly didn't research enough goes against yourself.
No to mention that yes, they can go on your account. Infact, any game such as CrossFire, whether it be MAT, or even Wizard101, they can log on your account.
I would suggest reading this and this, both of which you agreed to when you signed up for your account.
Here, I'll make it simple for you. One of the things you accepted and clearly states here,
is: Ownership
For all games, properties, titles, and services operating under Z8Games, including but not limited to and without limitation; user accounts, game/computer code, game items/objects, characters, character names, character profile information, clans/guilds and their names, game replays/recordings, art, game assets, music, visual effects, documentation, story, game sounds, chat room transcripts, or anything else provided by our services and games are owned by Z8Games and/or its respective developers and partners. These Games and Services are protected by Canadian and international laws, and may contain certain licensed materials in which Z8Games's licensors may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement.
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Ninja'd by Denxi and Polleus. Boo.
Anywhere, both of them are correct. -
Actually, if the account is being borrowed, then there is a time limit to your ownership of the account, therefore, we are owning the account since there is unlimited usage to the account.
While some of that may be true, you have to take some things into consideration. Because somebody else has unlimited usage to your account [for example, by hacking your account], they also should own your account with that logic.
Accounts were made clear, they are owned by Z8Games and anybody who it pertains to. Just because you have access at any time to anything does not mean that you own it.
If you access a public bathroom whenever you want to use it, it doesn't mean that it is "yours". Somebody owns that bathroom. -
The Z8Games TOS is more of a forcing agreement than a decision. You can't register an account if you don't agree, which gives you no other option, therefore, you are dishonestly accepting some of the TOS.want to know why the account is z8's property?
because when you signed up and agreed to the ToS, it states it in there, by ticking the little box, you agreed that it is their property, and they cn do what they want with it.
and yes, this is a legally binding contract.
so its their property, cz you signed to say it was.
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