My first time organizing a team.
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BOBBYnoWOGL wrote: »I've never once seen a team at a higher level that was all talent and no team chemistry. Chemistry is such a wide variable. You people look at it like it's simple 'gelling with your team'. It's knowing your team, how they play, what they play, them knowing you; The gears of your team. Name me ONE top dollar team TODAY that DOES NOT have team chemistry...
I never said there is a top team that doesn't have chemistry. I said that they had cruddy teamwork/chemistry but also had talent. I also mentioned it'll develop eventually, and team chemistry shouldn't be focused on.
Most talented groups are makeshift pugs for LAN. I've seen teams on LAN scrim once online then show up and just dominate with skill. Even online in Source, our teammate Jarrod literally pugged invite with a squad. They made it to ESEA LAN finals and took second.
I can name a couple teams that showed up for the CGS combine with no practice. Not that it matters, teams today aren't like they used to be. You are right on one part.Chemistry is such a wide variable
I'm not trying to argue. I'm just stating that..
1. Chemistry shouldn't be a team's #1 priority.
2. Some teams don't require much chemistry, if they're all talented.
3. Teamwork and chemistry comes with time. Focus on other things(back to part 1). -
team undead went undefeated 66-0 without practice. too good for this communityBOBBYnoWOGL wrote: »Are we talking Warcraft here?
Nope, team undead was a cheater team that blatantly cheated every scrim. 1 hitting with glock threw boxes, defusing bombs from far away ect. -
BOBBYnoWOGL wrote: »You would think that, considering you were leader of a team that had their head up their a-, and couldn't see eye to eye. Having to scr.ape together every week...thus bowing out in playoffs. All talent...no team.
actually us and snsd saw eye to eye on nearly everything and we got along great
i was too busy and people didn't wanna pug playoffs -
It's really not that hard when there is only literally 1 team to beat.
lol you don't get the joke. only people who were active back in late 2009 on forums would
pretty much what dren said. the leader,happyshadow1, kept bragging on how his team is undefeated. like 3 of their players aimbotted blatantly and defused bomb across the map. the funny part was when he posted screenshots of his wins and you can see the perx and dll on his desktop. good stuff; gave everyone a laugh
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Bobby why continue when every single player in this thread is stating otherwise? Not to mention no one is saying that a certain level of team work is important. The fact is if you cannot get frags your not going to win. No team is going to be 100% about anything, even teams that are "frag" stars will have some level of teamwork.BOBBYnoWOGL wrote: »
You would think that, considering you were leader of a team that had their head up their a-, and couldn't see eye to eye. Having to scr.ape together every week...thus bowing out in playoffs. All talent...no team.
Sorry not all teams are like Wrecked? To win WOGL you have to beat teams that require you to put a fair amount of practice time in. -
why are you even trying to bash anyone elses team? you're one of most terrible players that has been playing this game the same time most people in this community did, same goes for your team.BOBBYnoWOGL wrote: »I've never once seen a team at a higher level that was all talent and no team chemistry. Chemistry is such a wide variable. You people look at it like it's simple 'gelling with your team'. It's knowing your team, how they play, what they play, them knowing you; The gears of your team. Name me ONE top dollar team TODAY that DOES NOT have team chemistry...
I'll wait on that answer.
You would think that, considering you were leader of a team that had their head up their a-, and couldn't see eye to eye. Having to scr.ape together every week...thus bowing out in playoffs. All talent...no team.
You have no accomplishment backing up your logic and the others do (polopro, doop.. etc)... so it's best for you to stay out of this subject. -
why are you even trying to bash anyone elses team? you're one of most terrible players that has been playing this game the same time most people in this community did, same goes for your team.
You have no accomplishment backing up your logic and the others do (polopro, doop.. etc)... so it's best for you to stay out of this subject.
Meh no need to be ridicule Bobby. He has his opinion and everyone is entitled to have one. I like the guy, we just have somewhat different views on building teams. I am done trying to argue and prove my point. You guys have a great day, its cloudy and cold
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If I had ANYTHING to recommend it you be to stay together. Don't listen to any of the garbage people are feeding you in this thread. It has nothing to do with constant deathmatching or scrimming as much as you can or chemistry being the key.
Find a group of 5/6 people that love each others company. Talk about your goals and what you wish to achieve and if you are on the same page that's all you need to start. You may lose matches due to 1 players but you may also win matches due to 1 player. Don't make cuts until you are at a high enough level to make judgement calls. The most common mistake NEW teams make is that set unrealistic goals:
Example:
You make you goal to place top 5 in WOGL-O, which for a new team is sort of out of reach. You guys end up placing 10th. So you remove the person(s) that did the worst the whole season because they must be the reason you didn't achieve your goal.
That is what you don't need to be doing. You set a hard, yet achievable goal and try your hardest to accomplish it. Once you become a stronger team(2-3 seasons down the road) you will see who really is motivated and improving and who is just there for the ride but doesn't really care. But there is no need to make cuts that early in the game. You are all still learning to play together and it could be one mis-communication that is causing one player to perform so bad.
Chemistry is a key to a teams success but it is NOT what you look for at first. Chemistry will either come or it wont. THAT is the problem even top teams struggle with. It's easy to be comfortable but for some reason people think chemistry has to do with time spent together. The longer you play together the more it will build but that isn't the case. Yes you will improve as a team and understand each other better. But chemistry is a whole other level. Chemistry is having 5 players that CONSTANTLY and CONSISTENTLY do everything to compliment each other. This causes a team to be in permanent "flow". I can only name 4 teams in the entire world of CSS that actually have this Chemistry. it is very rare to find and that is why these teams are so elite. Imagine having 5 people that always made decisions to compliment their teammates. Even without trying you would be in a flow.
For example, LPK last season did terrible. Yes we won 2 seasons but our chemistry was non existent. The only true Chemistry was between me/sype/doop. Oz and JBiel were just fraggers. We did not have chemistry with them one bit. This doesn't mean that are bad players by any means. Their playstyles just simply didn't compliment or suit our way of running things. There was times in finals where 3 of us were on the same page and JBiel would just run out there and we would say "wtf are you doing, just fall back with us" and then he would kill 3 people and we would just be like "oh....guess it worked".
Chemistry should not be your main focus. You main focus should be playing together and looking to improve. Deathmatch from time to time to make sure your shot is up to par.
Communication is the key to winning. Make names for a lot of spots on every map. memorize them and practice communicating exact spots of opponents. Try to call the number of people if you can and everything you hear.
"You cannot always control your shooting ability, but you CAN always control your communication and PMA(Positive Mental Attitude)" -
I think people throw a bunch of related concepts into this magical term called "chemistry".
I wasn't sure myself what exactly team chemistry was and I began to think of what is the background on this term. I knew it came from sports so I just did a quick google search and read some links.
http://www.wright.edu/~scott.williams/LeaderLetter/chemistry.htm
"To be effective, a team has to be able to combine the efforts and abilities of members in the right way. Just as no two people are identical, no two teams are identical. Consequently, what works well for one team may not work well for others. However, research has identified several factors that usually produce good team chemistry:
Diversity
Role taking
Constructive norms
Leadership
Cohesiveness
Common vision"
First we should look at the term effective. In this case I would consider effective as being one of the best team in crossfire. Anything other than top 5 in my opinion is a waste of time. Now that we got our criteria for effectiveness we can move on to the rest of the paragraph.
"Consequently, what works well for one team may not work well for others."
I would say this statement is very true for a game like crossfire. I have been on teams where just working picks and pugging was the MO (Area 51, LifeLine), and I have also been on teams where the emphasis was on hitting timing windows (LPK, and ProCore). I was also on a team that tried to do a mixture of both of these (SNLPKSD). Neither style is mutually exclusive. The pick/pugging approach worked for Area51/LifeLine because there was no competition. We were way better than any of the teams we were playing so there was no need to over complicate things. Just do whatever, get a few kills and then we will take a site together.
The timing window worked great for LPK because we had players who played great individually so we would just set up windows in which we would do a set routine to catch the other teams off guard before they rotated. It worked great for us, but didn't transfer over to LPK2.0 with the SNSD boys.
Diversity- I can't decide if this is diversity in player backgrounds or diversity in player skills.
Role taking- This is the different individual playstyles you have your players do. Not everyone can be a top fragger.
Constructive norms- This would be your routine you do each night you play together.
Leadership- There is more to leadership then just being the ingame strat caller, but that is for another discussion completely.
Cohesiveness- I guess this is what the magical term "chemistry" is referring to. How well you play together.
Common vision- Without a purpose or mission you will lack identity.
Moving on to the next article:
http://www.baseballnews.com/features/teamchemistry.htm
"It’s time to define this concept of team chemistry for coaches across the country. We toss it around like it’s this mythical, mystical phenomenon that is neither developed nor learned, but is instead explained as something that "just happens when everyone/everything clicks."
As a matter of fact, a team’s chemistry, or level of cohesion as it is more formally referred, is an ever-changing group of dynamic that comes in a couple of different forms, and can be learned and improved with practice just like a hitter’s ability to take the ball the other way."
"As I mentioned before, team chemistry, or team cohesion, can be defined as a group dynamic that occurs when members of the team work together and make a united effort to accomplish the goals and objectives of the collective whole.
A team’s ability to stick together can prevent the team from falling apart in times of great distress and turmoil, and can also be the "X factor" that propels a team to victory over an evenly matched opponent."
"But let’s be more specific: There are, in fact, two main types of cohesion as defined by researchers in the fields of social and sport psychology.
The first, called task cohesion, refers to a team’s ability to function as a collective unit and perform effectively on the field.
For example, when we say that a pitcher and catcher are "on the same page" with regard to pitch selection and location, we are effectively stating that they possess a high degree of task cohesion."
"It’s simple. Success is related to the type of cohesion that exists within the team. More specifically, if your team has a high level of task cohesion, meaning that they play well together and remain united in the pursuit of the team’s goals, then they are more likely to enjoy success.
On the other hand, having a high amount of social cohesion, meaning that the team members are good friends and that they enjoy each other’s company, means very little in the way of predicting your team’s performance.
In fact, it has even been found that teams who are high in social cohesion play worse as a team!
So, the key is not necessarily that your team members like each other (although this is an admirable team quality and can be good for members’ well-being), but that they are united in their efforts to achieve the team goals set forth at the beginning of the season."
"So, If I Increase Task Cohesion, Our Team Will Be More Successful?
Not necessarily. Remember, I said that high task cohesion was related to greater team success, not that it directly caused greater team success."
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/03/team-chemistry/
"Some basketball aficionados believe that good team chemistry is one of the most crucial components of a winning team. Others claim that it’s overrated and too often used as an excuse to explain why a talented team doesn’t reach their potential"
"The best recent example I can think of might be the 2006 FIBA World Championship tournament when Team USA lost to Greece in the semi-finals. Theo Papaloukas and Vassilis Spanoulis from Greece are good players, but they aren’t as good as Dwayne Wade and Carmelo Anthony. The Americans had greater talent. The only explanation for that loss is lack of chemistry. Team USA had only been playing together for a few weeks. Greece had been together for years!"
To me it appears that people are using the term "team chemistry" when "team preparation" seems to fit better. If you prepare for things you are more likely to get the outcome you want. -
You basically just said what I did in a more "news writer" kind of way. People think chemistry is completely different then what I really means.I think people throw a bunch of related concepts into this magical term called "chemistry".
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I wasn't sure myself what exactly team chemistry was and I began to think of what is the background on this term. I knew it came from sports so I just did a quick google search and read some links.
To me it appears that people are using the term "team chemistry" when "team preparation" seems to fit better. If you prepare for things you are more likely to get the outcome you want. -
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