The Gaming Mice Guide.
Hi everybody.
Today I'm going to give my opinions on different brands of gaming mice and tell you a couple of other things such as keyboards, headsets, mousemats (that's not the point of this thread so I won't be precise on those subjects even though you shouldn't ever use a gaming mouse wihout a real mousemat) and I'll tell you a few things about gaming mice/grip. I'll be totally neutral.
The Gaming Mice:
I haven't only bought and tested Razer mice in my life btw.
The best mouse imo is the Razer Deathadder (Mamba if you have enough money). It has good performances, good looks, ergonomics... The only "problem" would be the sides are glossy (as all Razer's mice btw) and tend to make some people swet.
I must warn you that if your Razer product has issues (only one of mine has out of a dozen) you will have a hard time contacting Razer and sendin' the product to their labs.
R.a.t mice are imo pretty bad. I mean the idea of a shape which you could set to please your hand was good (no it wasn't... you get used to a mouse and not the other way) but the shape of the mouse is crap and feels uncomfty. Ergonomics= 0/10. They perform.good but a R.A.T.7 (which is supposed to have hiher dpi than a Deathadder refresh) is less sensitive than a Deathadder (3500dpi one). I tried them.on my pc with the same mousemat...
Steelseries: The ergonomics completely fail. They are even worse than the R.A.Ts (from.cyborg). It's as if steelseries had leeched somebody's technology and just put it in a regular shaped mouse. The performances are good though. Steelseries is awesome at making Headsets but that doesn't go further (mice, mats... aren't as goood as you could expect).
Roccat: their mice are good imo. They aren't as ergonomic as Razer's but they're pretty good and with a hit more effort good compete/rule over Razer. The performances are good and they don't try to fool you as Cyborg does with his R.A.Ts. The prices are decent too.
And finally Logitech: Since ever I used Logitech cheap mice (15-25€). But those were the cheaps one and were good and ruled over the cheap mice market. But their "gaming" mice are total rip offs. They look like crap, are made in uncomfty materials and don't perform better than the others.
If I were you I would get a Razer mouse if I can get a year "exchange vs a new one if broken" just in case you have problems (I've sent an email for my broken mic on my Carcharias since a week and still haven't heard from Razer but that's one product having isssues out of a dozen I have.). Otherwise go for Roccat's mice.
You definitively need a Gaming mousemat to go with your gaming mouse. Otherwise it won't perform as it could. Razer Scarab would be the best hardmat choice and maybe Steelseries QcK+ would he the best soft mat choice.
If you need a good keybord to go with your mouse Razer BlackWidow is the best you can get in terms of technologie (if you don't care about the useless fancy lighting you'll save $50).
If you want a gaming Headset go for a Roccat Kave, a Steelseries Siberia 2 or any of Razer's Headsets (excepted Pirana).
And to go with your wired Gaming mouse you could buy a Roccat Apuri. It really seems it won't change anything but you"ll see a real difference.
The Gaming Mice and Grips:
When you buy a mouse it's not rare to totally dislike it's grip but that's normal. If it fits your hand immediatly then it isn't worth a gaming mouse.
Why? Because all your life you have been using regular mice with non-ergonomic forms so if you immediatly get used to the grip it means your mouse sucks and that you've bought the wrong one (i.e. kinzu, mx518, xai, G5, G500...). The ones listed in brackets, whatever anybody can say, aren't shaped as a gaming mouse should be shaped. In fact the only advantage with logitech is their support center is quick and good.
There are exceptions for some mice depending on the person who is handing it for the first time. Some could like the grip on the first try of a mouse without it being badly shaped. It's all random but all those lisyened in brackets and every single logitech aren't ergonomic at all. If you want to become serious you better should get an ergomic mouse that you wouldn't want to drop leaving an empty hand. Your mouse has to become part of you. You have to feel like it's an extension of your hand.
There is no such a thing as a personal grip. I've tried many mice and I've been through all the grips (you don't choose your grip, the mouse chooses it for you).
Normally a good gaming mouse should take you an entire week to get used to (depending on how nerdy you are, how much you play. I bet that you could get used to it in a straight 24hours). You probably won't notice you got used to it and it has became an extension of your arm but whenever you'll use let's say a school computer (or a friend's) you will wonder how you ever did without your gaming mouse.
I recommand setting your dpi to max for desktop usage (internet, photoshop, vegas pro...). You'll be like "omg this is madness the cursor just goes from one side of the screen to the other when I only move the mouse by 1cm" and you'll feel like you'll never get used to it and I've seen quite a lot of people lowering there dpi because of that but DON'T. It's verry usefull wants you get used to it and since your not going to profit a maximum of the speed your mouse can deliver in game (everybody knows pro gamers, in leagues, play at low-sens. They do that because it's more precise. What you'll have to do is lower it progressively; by 1-10 a day depending on how you can adapt yourself to the sensitivity. I dropped mine fron 100 to 40 in a month and then from 40-0 in 2days
).
That's all for now, hope you enjoyed reading.
Today I'm going to give my opinions on different brands of gaming mice and tell you a couple of other things such as keyboards, headsets, mousemats (that's not the point of this thread so I won't be precise on those subjects even though you shouldn't ever use a gaming mouse wihout a real mousemat) and I'll tell you a few things about gaming mice/grip. I'll be totally neutral.
The Gaming Mice:
I haven't only bought and tested Razer mice in my life btw.
The best mouse imo is the Razer Deathadder (Mamba if you have enough money). It has good performances, good looks, ergonomics... The only "problem" would be the sides are glossy (as all Razer's mice btw) and tend to make some people swet.
I must warn you that if your Razer product has issues (only one of mine has out of a dozen) you will have a hard time contacting Razer and sendin' the product to their labs.
R.a.t mice are imo pretty bad. I mean the idea of a shape which you could set to please your hand was good (no it wasn't... you get used to a mouse and not the other way) but the shape of the mouse is crap and feels uncomfty. Ergonomics= 0/10. They perform.good but a R.A.T.7 (which is supposed to have hiher dpi than a Deathadder refresh) is less sensitive than a Deathadder (3500dpi one). I tried them.on my pc with the same mousemat...
Steelseries: The ergonomics completely fail. They are even worse than the R.A.Ts (from.cyborg). It's as if steelseries had leeched somebody's technology and just put it in a regular shaped mouse. The performances are good though. Steelseries is awesome at making Headsets but that doesn't go further (mice, mats... aren't as goood as you could expect).
Roccat: their mice are good imo. They aren't as ergonomic as Razer's but they're pretty good and with a hit more effort good compete/rule over Razer. The performances are good and they don't try to fool you as Cyborg does with his R.A.Ts. The prices are decent too.
And finally Logitech: Since ever I used Logitech cheap mice (15-25€). But those were the cheaps one and were good and ruled over the cheap mice market. But their "gaming" mice are total rip offs. They look like crap, are made in uncomfty materials and don't perform better than the others.
If I were you I would get a Razer mouse if I can get a year "exchange vs a new one if broken" just in case you have problems (I've sent an email for my broken mic on my Carcharias since a week and still haven't heard from Razer but that's one product having isssues out of a dozen I have.). Otherwise go for Roccat's mice.
You definitively need a Gaming mousemat to go with your gaming mouse. Otherwise it won't perform as it could. Razer Scarab would be the best hardmat choice and maybe Steelseries QcK+ would he the best soft mat choice.
If you need a good keybord to go with your mouse Razer BlackWidow is the best you can get in terms of technologie (if you don't care about the useless fancy lighting you'll save $50).
If you want a gaming Headset go for a Roccat Kave, a Steelseries Siberia 2 or any of Razer's Headsets (excepted Pirana).
And to go with your wired Gaming mouse you could buy a Roccat Apuri. It really seems it won't change anything but you"ll see a real difference.
The Gaming Mice and Grips:
When you buy a mouse it's not rare to totally dislike it's grip but that's normal. If it fits your hand immediatly then it isn't worth a gaming mouse.
Why? Because all your life you have been using regular mice with non-ergonomic forms so if you immediatly get used to the grip it means your mouse sucks and that you've bought the wrong one (i.e. kinzu, mx518, xai, G5, G500...). The ones listed in brackets, whatever anybody can say, aren't shaped as a gaming mouse should be shaped. In fact the only advantage with logitech is their support center is quick and good.
There are exceptions for some mice depending on the person who is handing it for the first time. Some could like the grip on the first try of a mouse without it being badly shaped. It's all random but all those lisyened in brackets and every single logitech aren't ergonomic at all. If you want to become serious you better should get an ergomic mouse that you wouldn't want to drop leaving an empty hand. Your mouse has to become part of you. You have to feel like it's an extension of your hand.
There is no such a thing as a personal grip. I've tried many mice and I've been through all the grips (you don't choose your grip, the mouse chooses it for you).
Normally a good gaming mouse should take you an entire week to get used to (depending on how nerdy you are, how much you play. I bet that you could get used to it in a straight 24hours). You probably won't notice you got used to it and it has became an extension of your arm but whenever you'll use let's say a school computer (or a friend's) you will wonder how you ever did without your gaming mouse.
I recommand setting your dpi to max for desktop usage (internet, photoshop, vegas pro...). You'll be like "omg this is madness the cursor just goes from one side of the screen to the other when I only move the mouse by 1cm" and you'll feel like you'll never get used to it and I've seen quite a lot of people lowering there dpi because of that but DON'T. It's verry usefull wants you get used to it and since your not going to profit a maximum of the speed your mouse can deliver in game (everybody knows pro gamers, in leagues, play at low-sens. They do that because it's more precise. What you'll have to do is lower it progressively; by 1-10 a day depending on how you can adapt yourself to the sensitivity. I dropped mine fron 100 to 40 in a month and then from 40-0 in 2days
).That's all for now, hope you enjoyed reading.
Comments
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I've used the same Logitech MX-518 now for 3 years, and it's still awesome.
That's what you think. That mouse has low dpi and bad ergonomics. You can say whatever you want the reality won't change.
Order yourself a proper gaming mouse and you'll see the difference.
I know many people are using Logitechs but they could have way better mice than that.
nice topic, i think all should read it
Very usefull
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I just use a Logitech M505, randie BenQ Keyboard and a Vaio laptop keyboard.. And it's fine for me... If you would play with it you would think it's awesome..
Do you buy a gaming mouse to be "just fine".
Even you notice were the problem.is. It's fine but could be way better right? -
That's what you think. That mouse has low dpi and bad ergonomics. You can say whatever you want the reality won't change.
Order yourself a proper gaming mouse and you'll see the difference.
I know many people are using Logitechs but they could have way better mice than that.
I don't actually think that I need better mouse, It cannot be so effective really... I am playing good with mine so I'll probably use this until I broke it and then I maybe buy a new better mouse -
I gotta disagree on your steelseries opinion, i myself have both the kinzu and the xai (i think kinzu is way way way better...) The mouse ergonomics and acceleration on these mice are really good. Also it maybe not the first thing you'll think of when looking for a gaming mouse design. It's simply no extra bull**** added. The feet however need extra work, but with the right ones it will work just fine.
Anyway, my point is not to judge a book on it's cover... The Kinzu and Xai may look simple but when put to the test... -
By ergonomics I didn't mean the useless blue L.E.Ds razer uses but the shape of the mouse. Kinzu is just basic mouse form even though they have made it more flat. The clicks are basic shapes and there's nothing to rest your fingers on excepted your desk (pinky rests on the moise mat with my deathadder too).
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I've used the same Logitech MX-518 now for 3 years, and it's still awesome.
Agreed. Have had my MX518 for 2 years and it's still a great mouse.
OP is going to be hardheaded and disagree with everything said if it doesn't agree with his opinion. -
Agreed. Have had my MX518 for 2 years and it's still a great mouse.
OP is going to be hardheaded and disagree with everything said if it doesn't agree with his opinion.
Proove me wrong on any of those statements.
It's good? Tell me why. -
My opinion.
Logitech - I own a G500 and MX518. Love both. Use the G500 over all my mice.
Razer - Owned 2 deathadders, tried one naga. Neither deathadder worked. The naga was ballin for WoW healing raids.
Steelseries - Love the kinzu, hate the xai, uncomfortable mice.
Cyborg - Never tried, looks like a giant piece of sh*t. -
Proove me wrong on any of those statements.
It's good? Tell me why.
Prove you wrong?
Logitech - Ergonomic mouse, massively high dpi rates and superior tracking lasers.
Razer - Support system is almost as bad as dell's, sell you a overpriced mouse that looks good but doesn't perform. -
I've owned my death adder for... A year and a half now. I set my polling rate to 1000hz at one point and it fried. Razer support shipped me a new one (took nearly 2 months) it is the 3500dpi version and I also have a goliathus mouse pad.
I would like to know why z8 doesn't like 1000hz polling rate.
I heard 6/11 windows sens is best?
I've used a few mouse fixes with the registry.
Nothing feels right, it just doesn't seem stable...
In css it feels great. In CF, I can't hit anything.
I need some good setting preferences? -
roccat pyra wireless notebook mouse ... it's nor ergonomic and small ... but i do it better when my handballs are on desk.
1000hz polling rate with 2.4hz wireless transmition ... awesome quickscopes disregard of ping.
btw i used standart bluetooth 250hz polling rate mouse before ... with higher ping u feel a difference of quickscope.
1600dpi 5basic 8acceleration 48/16 ingame sensivity = for awm
800dpi 10basic 6 acceleration 48/16 ingame sensivity = for rifle ... especially ak47 burst
switching profile with middle button of my mouse. -
iShopBellaOo wrote: »Prove you wrong?
Logitech - Ergonomic mouse, massively high dpi rates and superior tracking lasers.
Razer - Support system is almost as bad as dell's, sell you a overpriced mouse that looks good but doesn't perform.
1. Mx518 doesn't have high dpi nor is it even ergonomic, just face it.
2. You haven't read my post right? And Razer is far from overpriced. Only the dragon age II things are overpriced (excepted $10 + just for a a skin on the Blackwidow and DA all the products are CHEAP for what they are). -
Think ya could answer my quote?1. Mx518 doesn't have high dpi nor is it even ergonomic, just face it.
2. You haven't read my post right? And Razer is far from overpriced. Only the dragon age II things are overpriced (excepted $10 + just for a a skin on the Blackwidow and DA all the products are CHEAP for what they are). -
1. Mx518 doesn't have high dpi nor is it even ergonomic, just face it.
2. You haven't read my post right? And Razer is far from overpriced. Only the dragon age II things are overpriced (excepted $10 + just for a a skin on the Blackwidow and DA all the products are CHEAP for what they are).
The mx518 has a high enough dpi(the same the "good" deathadder) and the sensor is arguably better than both deathadders.
Ergonomics are COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE. I don't know where you get off saying that some shapes are better than others but it is COMPLETELY a matter of comfort. EVERY company has ergonomic mice and ambidextrous mice, and most of them go along the same shapes (IME 3.0 family, IME 1.1 family and MX series family).
At the end of the day, it really DOES NOT matter what mouse you are using, as long as it allows you to do what you need to do in a comfortable manner. You should NEVER go out of your way to change your play style to accommodate a new mouse.
There are a good dozen well-known mice out there that do not have any major issues in any game and that are shaped in various way. They are all equally as good. -
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Same dpi as the DA? Roflmao dude. 1600dpi=/= 3500dpi. You're probably nad at maths...The mx518 has a high enough dpi(the same the "good" deathadder) and the sensor is arguably better than both deathadders.
Ergonomics are COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE. I don't know where you get off saying that some shapes are better than others but it is COMPLETELY a matter of comfort. EVERY company has ergonomic mice and ambidextrous mice, and most of them go along the same shapes (IME 3.0 family, IME 1.1 family and MX series family).
At the end of the day, it really DOES NOT matter what mouse you are using, as long as it allows you to do what you need to do in a comfortable manner. You should NEVER go out of your way to change your play style to accommodate a new mouse.
There are a good dozen well-known mice out there that do not have any major issues in any game and that are shaped in various way. They are all equally as good.
My DeathAdder doesn't have any issues and many people use it likewise.
Well when I used a cheap mouse it seemed good and comfty. Did that mean it was? Nope.
Ah common... They do nice Headsets and QcKs are the best quality/price soft mousemats. Plus I said their headsets were good. I didn't trash steelseries. I trashed their mice.CookieMunzta wrote: »I stopped reading as soon as you trashed SteelSeries...
Not quite sure but I'm pretty sure I've written a line or two about Razer's glossy plastic which tends to make people sweat.MegalodonSW wrote: »I love my Mamba, but it makes me sweat lol :$
I've got to try the black DA. They have changed all the materials to make it even more ergonomic and took off the useless L.E.Ds to keep the same price. I'm not buying it though.
A friend just told me he through his stupid Roccat Valo away (it really does suck he made me try it. Plus the keys are useless...) and bought a Blackwidow (not the ultimate one with L.E.Ds though).
Which means I'll get to try it in a couple of weeks I'll tell you guys if it's really a huge advance in keyboards.
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SteelSeries mice are unbelivable.
They're maybe not ergonimically fitted to YOUR hand, but they're fine for me, and most every other gamer I know.
Their engine is also second to non, and their pinpoint firmware makes everyone else's (especially Razer's) seem VERY outdated. -
Same dpi as the DA? Roflmao dude. 1600dpi=/= 3500dpi. You're probably nad at maths...
My DeathAdder doesn't have any issues and many people use it likewise.
Well when I used a cheap mouse it seemed good and comfty. Did that mean it was? Nope.
The "good" deathadder I mentionned is the original 1800 dpi optical which is has an overall better engine than the newer 3.5g laser one.
There is nothing wrong with the deathadder. In fact, that is the mouse I use. But arguing that it is better by saying "it's the best shape and the sensor is fine" is being redundant and not proving anything, as anyone could arbitrarily argue that about any mouse under the sun that has a sensor made for gaming.
You would probably be surprised if I told you that 450dpi is enough to play any competitive fps on an international level.
If a mouse tracks fine(which MANY do), then it becomes ALL about comfort. YOU may find that the deathadder looks cool and has good "ergonomics", but I may argue the same about ANY mouse out there and I would be right.
Overall this guide is completely subjective and no one looking to buy a mouse should remember anything about it other than the deathadder is a good mouse.
And guess what, if you're using a cheap mouse and it seems good and comfy, IT PROBABLY IS. SEE IME 3.0, IME 1.1.
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