Removal of the "Vote Kick" system
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Let`s imagine we would remove the vote system.
And one week later, we`ll see you on forums again, crying "please re-add the vote system" because you get sick of at least 2 hackers in every room?
+1 on this comment. let me type this slowly so you guys can understand:
THEY ARE NOT REMOVING THE VOTE KICK SYSTEM
let me say once more, even slower.
THEY ARE NOT REMOVING THE VOTE KICK SYSTEM! -
UKDissident wrote: »Hack makers start hack outbreaks not kick vote use your brain please.
Keeping it would allow noobs to continue to abuse the biggest in game hack ever used i.e kick vote.
Since you claim to scrim then it shouldn't matter to you, so stop posting your nonsense and paranoia in threads that don't concern you;)
more people would hack if they know that they cant get kicked dumb fuc.
and ya i scrim but i also pub todo missions.
PS: u say no whiny noobs in ur clan, yet u cry on the forums more then any1 else i no -
Make the noobs pay for F11ing legit players. -100 gp and exp of every player who presses F11 is justified. If you think kicked that should pass won't pass lower the % to 50.
Sounds fair enough. Want to kick? You pay for it. -100 exp would discourage the noobs from kicking for the ace/mvp too.
ATM the noobs are abusing it would consequences. They need to pay for it. It's not fair on us legit players. You carry the team to victory and they kick you the last round. How ret.arded is that? -
nucksfan123 wrote: »PS: u say no whiny noobs in ur clan, yet u cry on the forums more then any1 else i no
I've played several games with Dissident and he never hackusated legit players, made excuses, whined and so on during the game like most players do. He is one of the most mature and fair players I have ever played with in this game.
It's difficult to find players who don't whiner, hackusate and kick out of jealousy in this game.
The vote kick is an injustice to legit players when it get abused so I agree with his posts, those of PurityNDeath and many more others completely. -
Make the noobs pay for F11ing legit players. -100 gp and exp of every player who presses F11 is justified. If you think kicked that should pass won't pass lower the % to 50.
Sounds fair enough. Want to kick? You pay for it. -100 exp would discourage the noobs from kicking for the ace/mvp too.
ATM the noobs are abusing it would consequences. They need to pay for it. It's not fair on us legit players. You carry the team to victory and they kick you the last round. How ret.arded is that?
How would they know if the player is legit or not? -
L0LSmilyFace wrote: »How would they know if the player is legit or not?
Well, make it so:
-If you are kicked without a reason, you could save the replay and send it to Z8games.
-once they watched it and you're proven right, the guy who kicked the player will be punished with the lose of the power of kicking for a certain time, also, it's votes won't count in the total voting that others started, so he'll won't be able to kick anyone else wrongly
what do you think Smily? :rolleyes: -
Well, make it so:
-If you are kicked without a reason, you could save the replay and send it to Z8games.
-once they watched it and you're proven right, the guy who kicked the player will be punished with the lose of the power of kicking for a certain time, also, it's votes won't count in the total voting that others started, so he'll won't be able to kick anyone else wrongly
what do you think Smily? :rolleyes:
Thats exactly what I suggested a lot of times. STEALER -
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That word you were looking for was toll... Dumbass.Let`s imagine we would remove the vote system.
And one week later, we`ll see you on forums again, crying "please re-add the vote system" because you get sick of at least 2 hackers in every room?
Let's see it then. If that's the case then let it be done and we can go back if it's totally fail. If nothing else make it a room option, wouldn't that also help you noobs that want vote kick? Then all the hackers will flood rooms without vote kick, amirite?ThePassword wrote: »+1 on this comment. let me type this slowly so you guys can understand:
THEY ARE NOT REMOVING THE VOTE KICK SYSTEM
let me say once more, even slower.
THEY ARE NOT REMOVING THE VOTE KICK SYSTEM!
THEY SHOULD.
Lemme repeat that for you since you're obviously herp derp slow.
THEEEEY... SHOOOOULD.L0LSmilyFace wrote: »How would they know if the player is legit or not?
Lulz. You hit the nail on the head of why this system is totally fu.cking fail without any kind of in-game spectating of both teams. You don't know if someone's hacking or not just based on their score but everyone kicks based on the score only. -
L0LSmilyFace wrote: »They should but only for a while. Then they should ask the people that do go to the forums and ask us what we think. Is it better/worse. Rite?
make a beta test server without the votekick rite?
I think the dev's from z8 should give a little hand to the x-trap dev's, they're working for a greater good
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L0LSmilyFace wrote: »They should but only for a while. Then they should ask the people that do go to the forums and ask us what we think. Is it better/worse. Rite?
Honestly... It's so fail it shouldn't matter if they remove it or not. People kick legits 90% and real hackers 10%. If they remove it and things change it'd be out of hacker ignorance more than anything. If they're thinking "Hey I couldn't hack before but I can now." They'd just be wrong.
They don't (And probably wouldn't) just remove it anyways. Last I heard they were doing some kind of ... Player premium to vote kick or something like that. Mini admin status.
It'd be better if they just gave it to host and then you could host your own games when you get fed up with ret.ards or learn who are good hosts or if they made it an option in games.
The thing I see is in MM persay you have idiots that will do glitching and blocking and act ret.arded 'cause they can't be kicked. Moreso than hacks that's the problem there. In other modes you don't really have this problem though. -
The fact that the vote kick should be dealt with is obvious. Hackers are supposedly taken care of, either by X-Trap or by reports. Kicking them from a room is a very short term solution : one hacker you just kicked may annoy you in the very next room you enter.
Unless you manage to kick them (or get them kicked if in the other team) everytime (and it would require more time kicking/voting than actually playing...), it just useless.
Even if Z8 don't remove it because of the QQ that will ensue, they can at least modify it to make it a little less unfair.
Right now, the vote kick is a very "passive" thing. Let's follow the most common scenario : you play well, for example, you manage, in a SnD, to perform a 4 kill streak, or your score is 10-0, because you're good, or just lucky.
It takes only one little whiner in the other team to start hackusing you (and usually there are more than one) and one idiot in your team starting the vote kick (either a really stupid guy or a friend/clan mate or the hackuser) and usually, you can say bye to the room.
Most people don't take the time to look at how you play, whether you look suspicious or not, whether it really was just luck. If they are on the other team, a quick glance at the score board, then F11, it's a good player eliminated so it can only be a good thing. If they are on your team, they usually don't give you the benefit of the doubt. If you're lucky, F12, if not F11.
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One possible solution would be to make the system more "active". Each player would have one permanent vote and could change it at anytime. They could put it on any other player, without restriction.
If, at any moment, more than a certain number of votes is put on a particular player (with at least n votes from guys on his team), that player is kicked.
This way, rather than just chosing between F11 or F12 in a 10 second span, half of the time while playing, you could take all your time. A hacker entered the room, just vote against him. If there's enough lucid players, he will get kicked. -
JurydesEnfer wrote: »The fact that the vote kick should be dealt with is obvious. Hackers are supposedly taken care of, either by X-Trap or by reports. Kicking them from a room is a very short term solution : one hacker you just kicked may annoy you in the very next room you enter.
Unless you manage to kick them (or get them kicked if in the other team) everytime (and it would require more time kicking/voting than actually playing...), it just useless.
Even if Z8 don't remove it because of the QQ that will ensue, they can at least modify it to make it a little less unfair.
Right now, the vote kick is a very "passive" thing. Let's follow the most common scenario : you play well, for example, you manage, in a SnD, to perform a 4 kill streak, or your score is 10-0, because you're good, or just lucky.
It takes only one little whiner in the other team to start hackusing you (and usually there are more than one) and one idiot in your team starting the vote kick (either a really stupid guy or a friend/clan mate or the hackuser) and usually, you can say bye to the room.
Most people don't take the time to look at how you play, whether you look suspicious or not, whether it really was just luck. If they are on the other team, a quick glance at the score board, then F11, it's a good player eliminated so it can only be a good thing. If they are on your team, they usually don't give you the benefit of the doubt. If you're lucky, F12, if not F11.
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One possible solution would be to make the system more "active". Each player would have one permanent vote and could change it at anytime. They could put it on any other player, without restriction.
If, at any moment, more than a certain number of votes is put on a particular player (with at least n votes from guys on his team), that player is kicked.
This way, rather than just chosing between F11 or F12 in a 10 second span, half of the time while playing, you could take all your time. A hacker entered the room, just vote against him. If there's enough lucid players, he will get kicked.
Well sir, we could do something, but the dev's simply don't look into this section of the forum, we need a mod who informs a GM, and then the GM contacts the Dev's or Saidin, then they'll think about it, and only then they'll consider in putting this inside the game
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PurityDeath wrote: »Honestly... It's so fail it shouldn't matter if they remove it or not. People kick legits 90% and real hackers 10%. If they remove it and things change it'd be out of hacker ignorance more than anything. If they're thinking "Hey I couldn't hack before but I can now." They'd just be wrong.
They don't (And probably wouldn't) just remove it anyways. Last I heard they were doing some kind of ... Player premium to vote kick or something like that. Mini admin status.
It'd be better if they just gave it to host and then you could host your own games when you get fed up with ret.ards or learn who are good hosts or if they made it an option in games.
The thing I see is in MM persay you have idiots that will do glitching and blocking and act ret.arded 'cause they can't be kicked. Moreso than hacks that's the problem there. In other modes you don't really have this problem though.
I wonder why the game went to total ape sh1t. Why the vote system is so abused now and back then it wasn't. -.- -
I've played several games with Dissident and he never hackusated legit players, made excuses, whined and so on during the game like most players do. He is one of the most mature and fair players I have ever played with in this game.
It's difficult to find players who don't whiner, hackusate and kick out of jealousy in this game.
The vote kick is an injustice to legit players when it get abused so I agree with his posts, those of PurityNDeath and many more others completely.
weird, cause on the forums he crys about something in almost every thread -
Anything in life gets abused.
there is no fool proof option.
Even if we did remove the Vote kick (which i think is a bad idea) the noobs would just spam the forums saying, "WHY THE HELL ARE THERE SO MANY HACKERS (in actuality pros) ALL OWNING OUR BUTS IN GAME!?"
There really isn't a good option. -
aimoperative wrote: »the noobs would just spam the forums saying, "WHY THE HELL ARE THERE SO MANY HACKERS (in actuality pros) ALL OWNING OUR BUTS IN GAME!?"
Who cares about vote kicking noobs if they feel bad when they lose? They should learn to get owned and accept it instead of cheating better players out of the game. If they don't want to lose they should try harder, buy a real mousepad, etc.
Vote kick = moderation by noobsL0LSmilyFace wrote: »How would they know if the player is legit or not?
[sarcasm]Well you know, getting double kills, triple kills, ultra kills, headshots, quick scoping, clutching, having hacking score like 30-5 = hacker = kick
That's how you can tell if a person is a hacker or not.[/sarcasm]
Only blatant hackers should be kicked. Most of the kicks (over 85%) are noobs kicks ATM. -
[sarcasm]Well you know, getting double kills, triple kills, ultra kills, headshots, quick scoping, clutching, having hacking score like 30-5 = hacker = kick
That's how you can tell if a person is a hacker or not.[/sarcasm]
Only blatant hackers should be kicked. Most of the kicks (over 85%) are noobs kicks ATM.
Are you being sarcastic? :rolleyes:
Yeah they should, but some people are so paranoid and they think everyone is hacking. So its difficult for them to identify the legit players. -
L0LSmilyFace wrote: »Yeah they should, but some people are so paranoid and they think everyone is hacking. So its difficult for them to identify the legit players.
They are just QQers/whiners. Let them be so.
If they have problems with better players they should play with their friends/clan mates.
Sometimes I tell them, YES I HACK. Whatever makes you feel better is fine with me.
We can't let a few whiners/jealous noobs destroy this game by vote kicking all the good players. Other versions of CF have taken action on this. This one is very far away. -
They are just QQers/whiners. Let them be so.
If they have problems with better players they should play with their friends/clan mates.
Sometimes I tell them, YES I HACK. Whatever makes you feel better is fine with me.
We can't let a few whiners/jealous noobs destroy this game by vote kicking all the good players. Other versions of CF have taken action on this. This one is very far away.
Other versions took action by banning anyone out of their area. Thats why everyone knows what everyone else is saying, and there's a lot of teamwork and 99.99% of the players have common sense. Unlike here only 5% does. -
I agee the kick system should be taken out. Despite what people say, I only come across a hack,er about 1/4 games and even then im still usually able to keep my avearage k/d or close to it. And like every one says the hack,er doesnt get kicked anyways but all the legit players do. So i would much rather just leave the game if there is a hack,er that ruins my k/d. Because atleast then i keep my kills/deaths before it gets too out of hand. And besides, most of the time when some one is actually hack.ing its almost like playing against some one who is good at the game because alot of hack.ers arent very good at hack,ing. But yeah bottom line is id rather just leave everyonce and while from game rooms then get kicked from most game rooms. I understand there are players not as experienced and would have to leave almost every time they play with a hack.er but when they start getting better they will also get annoyed after being kicked 3/4 games for "hack,ing".
EDIT: Maybe they could make it so the host can turn Vote Kick on/off in the lobby. -
[sarcasm]Well you know, getting double kills, triple kills, ultra kills, headshots, quick scoping, clutching, having hacking score like 30-5 = hacker = kick
That's how you can tell if a person is a hacker or not.[/sarcasm]
Only blatant hackers should be kicked. Most of the kicks (over 85%) are noobs kicks ATM.[/QUOTE]
looool 30-5 = hacker = kick loool my friend some players in crossfire dont even hack and do scores like that. i got a score 50-14 and i dont use hacks yeah so stop complaining, because all that z8 needs 2 do is get a better anti-hack even thou they get people 2 buy zp and do nothing with it. -
RawrJafrikan wrote: »Wow, thats the primary reason I think that the kick should be in place. Hackers are running rampant as of now and for whatever sad reason, CF HAS NOT PLACED A INGAME REPORTING DEVICE FOR THE AVERAGE GAMER. I remember it took me a half hour to figure out how to report and even with that I tend to be lazy and not report becuase Im not willing to spend a few mins reporting.
Thats what brings me to the forums today, im new and looking for the way to report, I have 1/2 a dozen matches saved from yeasterday alone in which players are clearly in the wall/pillar's..no mistaking it...The game is riddled with hackers on all servers that I have played on..
Along the same topic, I see many good players get the vote kick done to them just for being good, the problem I see between a player with aimbot (and there are many) and a good player is hard to differentiate, it takes a patient eye to see the player with aimbot never misses and a good player will occasually miss, people just get ****ed and often if there is an aimbot user and a good player, the good player gets punted first over the actual hack user...
Some of the hack guys are just blatent and arrogant about it too (openly acknowledge using hacks).. so having the vote kick in place is good for an immediate dissmissal.... -
Destroyess wrote: »Thats what brings me to the forums today, im new and looking for the way to report, I have 1/2 a dozen matches saved from yeasterday alone in which players are clearly in the wall/pillar's..no mistaking it...The game is riddled with hackers on all servers that I have played on..
Along the same topic, I see many good players get the vote kick done to them just for being good, the problem I see between a player with aimbot (and there are many) and a good player is hard to differentiate, it takes a patient eye to see the player with aimbot never misses and a good player will occasually miss, people just get ****ed and often if there is an aimbot user and a good player, the good player gets punted first over the actual hack user...
Some of the hack guys are just blatent and arrogant about it too (openly acknowledge using hacks).. so having the vote kick in place is good for an immediate dissmissal....
enough say. in relation 2 dis i hope z8 brings out the ip ban, but on the otherhand if they see the back track of every player everyone is gonna get banned lool
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