Untold oppinion about macro hoppers

Since I haven't seen anyone ever speak about this, I think it's time for me to share my part on it.

I don't believe that it actually gives the advantage people think it would give. In my opinion, yet objectively looking at the whole thing i think macro users would fail even more at transitions between usage or not, and turning around than normal players who know how to move around well. Game mechanics are the same for regular and non cheating party. "tanking" is definatelly not what macro would give you. It's not even related. tanking is what happens when you shoot someone, and your computer tells you that you hit them, but actually on crossfire servers, for most ...southeners a long distance away, produces higher ping and causes it to happen more often than usual, as the information of the targets actual location is not properly recieved, in other words recieved in real-time. This is error of being far from server, which could only be fixed by relocating the server.
back to macro, it does affect it actully a tiniy little bit, but only in cases where doing the hopps without it would be impossible for a skilled player (the regular player cannot be as precise at timing a ramp hop). This doesn't mean distance hopping, if you're good you're able to do it, if you know the map well and your timings right. Macro can be used as perfect ramp hop, but that can also be done by regular player with enough practice(just not as perfect in matter of command per first possible executable ms). If you'd know enough about mecahnics of it, you'd know that the same way bhop accelerates your speed above your running speed, the same thing reoccours on the ramp, only a few times in a row, which makes the player incomparably faster- macro or not. The fact that you moved that much faster allows you to reach the opponent faster. This leads on to the difference of opponent recieving visual position of a player over actual position even further, which sometimes appears to be a few bullets hit, but actually doesn't damage the opponent, as he reached you before the shots anyway.
So far, nothing that was done by macro isn't impossible to do without it, so there is not and never will be any clear proof for anyone wether they're using it or not.
ramphopp is possible, jumping heads is also possible.
It's only when the player from the replay does it every single time they get to a ramp, and every time they bump into a player. That's when you know that they're using it, in multiple reocourance.
Note that this still doesn't prove enough, as it is all consiedered "coincidance", and you cannot predict the behaviour of a player other than yourself.

And DO NOT think that this gives you faster bhop in even surfaces.
...cause it can't  

Hope I've shown you another way to look at it,
sincerely JerryBond <3


and no i do not support macro, it is cheating. This is explanation in theory.

Comments

  • I've seen plenty of arguments regarding Macro Hoppers, so there's that, I guess. Sorry for kinda killing the reason of your thread.

    While I do agree that the infamous Ramphop is possible for a normal mortal, macros are just that much more error-proof. A normal guy would get that ramp hop once, maybe twice while the Macrohopper would hit the furthest jumps and the ramp every round.

    That in itself gives it THE advantage over the regular player, because the "error" variable simply is next to non existent for the Macro user.

    And for a GR who specifically tries to use his surroundings to his advantage to make people mess up their Bunny Hop, a person who simply can't mess up his Bunnyhop is... well, beyond mundane for the lack of a better term.
  • I think you're right in pointing out that bhopping can get at an equal or higher level than macro hopping with practice, but my issue with macro hoppers is that they skip the practice. Some people played a lot in order to know how to hop up ramps (especially since the ramps aren't all the same and require different timings), but macro hoppers just press a button and they climb it ez pz. It's on the complete opposite of fairplay and is pretty sad.

    Terrain is the element that separates decent BL players from good BL players (individually speaking, 5v5s have other components, but that's not the topic), and macros are a shortcut that get players who can be complete trash to an acceptable level.
  • You'll always run into macro hoppers
    - Edit: My bad slipped out.
    - list goes on & on but sadly as another mod said macros are sort of a grey area since it can't be proven.
  • OGMarsh wrote: »
    You'll always run into macro hoppers
    you're still trying to convince people you're not Krave? smh let it go


    But yeah macro hopping is cheating and does give an advantage. When you have the confidence that you can hop up and down anything without fail, it'll naturally lead you become a more aggressive player and GR will hardly hear you when you fly up those ramps(experienced this firsthand vs. Kravemyswag aka ogmarsh).

    One good thing is, a lot of the people who macro are trash at aiming/timing and have 0 game sense so it was never too much of a challenge for me :)
  • you're still trying to convince people you're not Krave? smh let it go


    But yeah macro hopping is cheating and does give an advantage. When you have the confidence that you can hop up and down anything without fail, it'll naturally lead you become a more aggressive player and GR will hardly hear you when you fly up those ramps(experienced this firsthand vs. Kravemyswag aka ogmarsh).

    One good thing is, a lot of the people who macro are trash at aiming/timing and have 0 game sense so it was never too much of a challenge for me :)

    Must be why whytry accuses you and the rest of Panthers for "walling"
  • I think the M4 VIP's macro and and doublejump macro which the chinese player base using are a bit more important than this and more worthy a thread >.<"

    any way about the hop macro & I would not even call it a macro. Its just spamming Spacebar which is bound to a mouse button

    a macro is just a single instruction that executes multiple instructions.
  • you're still trying to convince people you're not Krave? smh let it go


    But yeah macro hopping is cheating and does give an advantage. When you have the confidence that you can hop up and down anything without fail, it'll naturally lead you become a more aggressive player and GR will hardly hear you when you fly up those ramps(experienced this firsthand vs. Kravemyswag aka ogmarsh).

    One good thing is, a lot of the people who macro are trash at aiming/timing and have 0 game sense so it was never too much of a challenge for me :)

    You can believe what you want I could careless
    @Ruhadow there's more to it not just a space bar or everyone else would be doing it.
  • Personally I think macro users of any kind are trash. You should have to learn a skill to be good at the game not just buy a gaming mouse and program in a set of key strokes giving yourself an advantage over other players. When you macro, ramps and other random objects become nothing to you and all you have to do is hold down that macro key and aim. That in itself is an advantage. I do agree with what Pizza said though, most macro users lack other skills (because they haven't put in the time) and end up having to run at you because they can't aim.
  • To add to what I said earlier, I do agree with the OP though, the things macro hoppers can do are also things good players can do legitimately.

    For example, right after my IGN change and people didn't know who I was, I got called macro hopper a lot. Here's a video of me doing a ramp hop I don't see people usually doing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV2A84rI0Gw

    Was that hard? Not really, but I can't do that 10/10 times though I've been a decent BL player for about 3 yrs. However, macro hoppers could literally start playing and in 1 week, do any ramp hop how many ever times they want and become a "decent" BL player.
  • I think the M4 VIP's macro and and doublejump macro which the chinese player base using are a bit more important than this and more worthy a thread >.<"

    any way about the hop macro & I would not even call it a macro. Its just spamming Spacebar which is bound to a mouse button

    a macro is just a single instruction that executes multiple instructions.

    Can you please show me proof of this m4 vip macro is...
  • Raytheon wrote: »
    cool cool

    It's no surprise that you support macros
  • It's no surprise that you support macros

    I've never used them, but it seems like they help a lot. ;)

    lol, I just realized that I had liked the recoilless M4A1-Raytheon video
  • Raytheon wrote: »
    I've never used them, but it seems like they help a lot. ;)
    You know what else helps allot? Hacks. But that totally beats the essence of a first person shooter. It should be all about having the fastest reflex, best aim and best strategic ability.
    Not about who has the strongest gun or best software to compensate for lack of skill. Seems like you completely missed the point.
  • albert95h wrote: »
    m4 vip no recoil macro:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1qoa11fko8
    kick snipe macro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wAenNWm9YQ
    and most Chinese players are using it ....

    What in the actual **** man. That's some BS no wonder Asians are so good...
    nGhost wrote: »
    You know what else helps allot? Hacks. But that totally beats the essence of a first person shooter. It should be all about having the fastest reflex, best aim and best strategic ability.
    Not about who has the strongest gun or best software to compensate for lack of skill. Seems like you completely missed the point.

    This right here ^^^
  • iAnarchy wrote: »
    What in the actual **** man. That's some BS no wonder Asians are so good...

    You didn't know that like 80% of Asians use that? Lmao. A friend of mine showed with Thompson and I couldn't even believe how OP it was...
  • ccmegas wrote: »
    I don't believe that it actually gives the advantage people think it would give.

    oh boy.

    ccmegas wrote: »
    Macro can be used as perfect ramp hop, but that can also be done by regular player with enough practice(just not as perfect in matter of command per first possible executable ms).

    THEORETICALLY possible =/= actual success percentage.

    macro gives 100% success rate to more than just ramps and flat surfaces. there's also Rails, ledges, water, other characters, stairs, safe jumps, and loads of other map clutter.

    the % chance of people successfully hopping on rails, ledges, sticky-water maps, other characters and random map clutter during gameplay has got to be less than 8%. practice will not help with most of those.
    ccmegas wrote: »
    Hope I've shown you another way to look at it

    nope! not at all. do not encourage the scumbags!
  • nGhost wrote: »
    You know what else helps allot? Hacks. But that totally beats the essence of a first person shooter. It should be all about having the fastest reflex, best aim and best strategic ability.
    Not about who has the strongest gun or best software to compensate for lack of skill. Seems like you completely missed the point.

    Seems like you don't understand a joke...
  • Raytheon wrote: »
    Seems like you don't understand a joke...

    Comming from you I would not even be surpised if it wasnt a joke. I still think you didnt joke.
  • nGhost wrote: »
    Comming from you I would not even be surpised if it wasnt a joke. I still think you didnt joke.
    Raytheon wrote: »
    I've never used them, but it seems like they help a lot. ;)

    ;);););););););)