kid figures the black market system
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GodsGunman wrote: »Exploit was told the trick by a friend of his, he told me that before he started posting much on the forums. He then denied ever telling me that, which makes him a liar.
Maybe, dev's aren't going to make it easy to figure out though. -
How many ZP do they pay you to keep saying that? There simply MUST be an algorithm behind the whole BM system. In the easiest case, it would be an algorithm that is like flipping a coin once (this would have a 50:50 chance of winning). Obviously, this is not the case here.
This means that the algorithm is just a bit more complicated. However, it CANNOT be totally random (just so complex that the decisions [=winning the main price] may seem random to the human eye). Therefore, there must be a certain chance of winning, even if it is VERY complicated to determine the exact chance or the requirements for it...
best regards,
Urkel
Of course there is.... Its programmed... but that doesnt mean anyone will ever find it... Thats like saying you could guess the passcode to FBI top secret files for example... it will change.. it will never be simple to get unless youre told.Maybe, dev's aren't going to make it easy to figure out though.
Youll never figure it out. Noone will. -
How many ZP do they pay you to keep saying that? There simply MUST be an algorithm behind the whole BM system. In the easiest case, it would be an algorithm that is like flipping a coin once (this would have a 50:50 chance of winning). Obviously, this is not the case here.
This means that the algorithm is just a bit more complicated. However, it CANNOT be totally random (just so complex that the decisions [=winning the main price] may seem random to the human eye). Therefore, there must be a certain chance of winning, even if it is VERY complicated to determine the exact chance or the requirements for it...
best regards,
UrkelIf that coin comes with a million sides, than sure.
This algorithm isn't that complex at all. Its a simple spin of a number between 1 and 1.000.000, and each number has a set of 3 prizes attached to it. It's as simple as that. The spinner is nothing more than eye-candy. As soon as you press that button it is given a number and 3 prizes show up, and 1 or more of these numbers have the main prize attached to it. -
[MOD]Frecklez wrote: »If that coin comes with a million sides, than sure.
This algorithm isn't that complex at all. Its a simple spin of a number between 1 and 1.000.000, and each number has a set of 3 prizes attached to it.
Actually, the point he might be getting across is that all those numbers are already predetermined by the computer. The algorithm it uses already precalculates these numbers. It only appears to be random.
A computer can never actually do anything random. It can fake it, but it never is.
For instance
Spin 1 = 43 (Not winner)
Spin 2 = 88 (Not winner)
Spin 3 = 23 (Not winner)
Spin 4 = 100 (Winner)
Spin 5 = 11 (Not winner)
The example above essentially shows that your result is already chosen. -
Well its weird how all of them won at least 1+ D.E.C at the same time because usually your lucky to win One gun with tht small amount of time... its weird but its possibe :S
Just a shame tht guy wasnt me but my very last crate out of 120 i got kris Xmas
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i won 2 ak halloweens in 10 crates... not that it matters cause people say it's an ugly reskinTalonblaze wrote: »Actually, the point he might be getting across is that all those numbers are already predetermined by the computer. The algorithm it uses already precalculates these numbers. It only appears to be random.
A computer can never actually do anything random. It can fake it, but it never is.
For instance
Spin 1 = 43 (Not winner)
Spin 2 = 88 (Not winner)
Spin 3 = 23 (Not winner)
Spin 4 = 100 (Winner)
Spin 5 = 11 (Not winner)
The example above essentially shows that your result is already chosen.
sounds like everyone has to stop spinning 1 crate and just 1 person with alot of ZP would keep spinning it to see if there is a certain number of crates... and they'd have to win the item atleast a couple of times to make sure. and then each crate could also have it's own randomness. -
GodsGunman wrote: »I know somebody that won two M14Ebr Xmas' in the same spin.
fairly sure you have said this before.
yet still no proof.
but hey, someone on the internet said it, and internet people never lie.
ergo, must be true guys.
ot: It's luck. There is no "trick", no "hack" nothing. -
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[MOD]NattNatt wrote: »fairly sure you have said this before.
yet still no proof.
but hey, someone on the internet said it, and internet people never lie.
ergo, must be true guys.
ot: It's luck. There is no "trick", no "hack" nothing.
It's not luck .Learn to accept that. -
my point was that this display pattern (same person winning many guns in a row) is more likely at 'slow hours' since nobody else is spinning and winning.
the chance is still the same.
its random, or as close to random as humans can get.
of course, our simple minds will always try to look for patterns, its what we're made for. -
[MOD]NattNatt wrote: »fairly sure you have said this before.
yet still no proof.
but hey, someone on the internet said it, and internet people never lie.
ergo, must be true guys.
ot: It's luck. There is no "trick", no "hack" nothing.
Fairly sure I've never shared this before on the forums although it is in the description , I believe him though since I don't take him for a liar.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYAwM0wRWQY
http://clan.z8games.com/charstat_cf.aspx?usn=9026770
He was one of the first few people in the game to win it (and he won 2 in the same crate). I do remember seeing his name appear twice on the winners list thing one after the other, and when I asked him about it he said he won both in the same crate.
Also, in one of Saidin's posts he hinted that it was possible to win multiple permanent guns in one spin, it was a thread he made that had something to do with the crate buster ribbon. -
GodsGunman wrote: »Also, in one of Saidin's posts he hinted that it was possible to win multiple permanent guns in one spin, it was a thread he made that had something to do with the crate buster ribbon.
Stated in the same thread was the fact that you can win multiple guns in the same crate...if it is a multi-gun crate.
But you cannot win 2 of the same weapon, but you can win 2 different ones.
And yeah well, people lie, it's basic human nature... I'd have thought you of all people knew that.
also: i fail to see what you writing it means exactly?
i could put something in a description of a youtube video, does it mean it's true? nope. -
[MOD]NattNatt wrote: »Stated in the same thread was the fact that you can win multiple guns in the same crate...if it is a multi-gun crate.
But you cannot win 2 of the same weapon, but you can win 2 different ones.
And yeah well, people lie, it's basic human nature... I'd have thought you of all people knew that.
also: i fail to see what you writing it means exactly?
i could put something in a description of a youtube video, does it mean it's true? nope.
You have no proof that you can't win two of the same weapon in one crate other than your opinion. This person could have been lying, but I doubt it.
Having that he said he won it 2 times in 1 crate in the description means I do remember correctly, and that is what he said happened. It doesn't mean he wasn't lying, but it does mean I remember the incident correctly.
Somebody's mad for some reason it seems. -
GodsGunman wrote: »You have no proof that you can't win two of the same weapon in one crate other than your opinion. This person could have been lying, but I doubt it.
Having that he said he won it 2 times in 1 crate in the description means I do remember correctly, and that is what he said happened. It doesn't mean he wasn't lying, but it does mean I remember the incident correctly.
Somebody's mad for some reason it seems.
I have been informed by people much more in-the-know than you my dear.
And i get annoyed when people pull random things out of certain orifices, and state them as fact. Thus confusing a lot of people and misinforming people//lying. -
[MOD]NattNatt wrote: »I have been informed by people much more in-the-know than you my dear.
And i get annoyed when people pull random things out of certain orifices, and state them as fact. Thus confusing a lot of people and misinforming people//lying.
At least I try to clear up the misconceptions with my evidence, you just say "no, you're wrong and stupid" and leave it at that. Lead with your evidence, I was going off of what was most likely. Did they specifically tell you that you can't win 2 of the same weapons in the same crate? -
GodsGunman wrote: »At least I try to clear up the misconceptions with my evidence, you just say "no, you're wrong and stupid" and leave it at that. Lead with your evidence, I was going off of what was most likely. Did they specifically tell you that you can't win 2 of the same weapons in the same crate?
mmkay kid.
It has been stated many times all over the forums. You cannot win the same gun twice in a single crate.
And i am inclined to believe them over some random kid who has no proof other than the fact he said it on the internet. -
A description on a youtube video is hardly solid proof.
So until someone can ACTUALLY debunk everyone with rock-solid-I-kid-you-not sort of proof that proves beyond any doubt whatsoever that they indeed have cracked the system... Going to close it up.
Oh yea random generator ftw!
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