[HACKERS] Lol, Why kick when you can Ban?

Frecklez wrote: »

You, Sir, are an idiot.

How will a company make money, if they don't care about the 90% of customers, who are unsatisfied due to the other 10% who is hacking? Sounds to me like they would set themselves up for a huge lose, if they would aloud that.

You read my mind.

garfield9999 wrote: »

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No one can tell me that there is no way to get them out of the game.
A little piece of intelligent software would be able to find a player with multikills of 5, 6 or more. Also the speeders could be found with a little proggie.
But no one cares about them so nothing will be done.

Once again : If you got a company to hire for less money than Xtrap AND who does a better job than Xtrap does(even tho' it might not look like they do a good job, but their actually. If Z8 had kept Gameguard, CF would be dead now or a hacker fest, where really everyone would be using hacks as all the legit players quit a long time ago), if u have a company like that then go ahead.
They're actually caring.
Btw, a lil' side note: if you think it's sad easy to create an anti hack software with a just a lil' amount of intelligence, then go ahead, do so and prove your intelligence.

garfield9999 wrote: »

Stay gentle please.
For how long must we deal with this wallers and speeders now?
No one can tell me that there is no way to get them out of the game.
A little piece of intelligent software would be able to find a player with multikills of 5, 6 or more. Also the speeders could be found with a little proggie.
But no one cares about them so nothing will be done.

so your sayin when i get 6 kills at 1 time when i snipe that i should get kiked for a h@k that wont happen thier are alot of legit ppl that get multi kills , so how would that be fair to them, play in rooms with friends , or clan mates an dont go to ffa or tdms that will solve alot of the problems

jf33cc wrote: »

so we should do the GM's and MOD's work then should we u dum ass why don't u come and do my jod for me if u like doing other peoples work so much this is why the game sucks so bad because people like u tell us to other peoples work Tell the people that get payed for it to do there job how about that moron

Not quite sure what u're referring too, but i guess it's reporting.
At all it's our Job to report those hackers as the GMs arent able to catch every single hacker in the game. Btw: its not the work of the MODs to actually ban people, they got to report like everyone else here.

jf33cc wrote: »

it is not our job to report hackers were does it say it the aggrement it is our job to report hacks.
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but o well i just lock the room and play with friends and clan only

Noone forces you to report. It's up to yourself wether you report someone or simply don't.

If you already found a solution then why do you even complain ?

They dont have to Make A IP Ban they can Change the with Restart the Router so IP Ban is Waste they have to make a Mac Adress Ban (Internet Provider Adress) so they never can come Back to this Game or Change the Security Shield

Depends on how things going on.

Report a hacker seems easy, but in my experience about report nearly 3 digits hackers, I gave up.

Every time after I spent hours to review the replays and then checked the status to know nothing if the player being banned or just being offline for 7 days, I realize that is a waste of time.

z8's policy, even they don't like hacking to ruin their product, is somewhat providing many protection for the hackers. You can only have limited vote, to kick just one hacker; and some dump ass would not press either f11 or f12; We can not mention any cheater's id in this forum, or post any screen shot their hacking; We don't know who the hell vote NO to kick an apparent waller; We see some one typed f12, f12 for free ZPs, but we can not do anything about it; We don't have the right to reject player to enter a room, if they quit before you are able to load the player page, you can not kick him; and the player who hack has a second chance, they can have a 7 day probation before they start to hack again with the same account.

If do as you suggested, you have to wait like at least several days to allow them to have the ticket reviewed. Can u go back play the clean game several days later? NO, new hacker comes. You have to report it again and wait. And the supporting team would be busy with all those tickets, till some point they lose patience too -- have you ever reviewed hackers' plays? Is there something exciting? Replays are quite same, now the tendency is to shooting at walls to kill, that is all I have seen in recent several months.

So the problem is, how can you make sure you can play a game even though there are still some hackers around? Voting, that is the direct protection of your time.

Here are some old suggestion I think that might work:
1. Honor system --- those who reported hacker correctly earn the points, and for every apparently wrong report, 5 points penalty applied. The points will be used to weight the vote, if someone constantly report hacker correctly, he is definitely more responsible and his vote weight more than those who never reports, or constant report. 1.1^points is an easy way to weight it.
2. Vote limitation is based on the honor points. The more points you have, the more you can start a vote.
3. We need a black list, a user start a room can apply the the black list if he is the host. The reason to reject a player can be hacker, support hacker, never responsible for the hacker problem (never use his vote when there is someone flushing screen with kills)
4. I want the complete vote list and player list in the game, so that a host can ban the hacker for 10 games even they have left, and also he can know who is supporting the hacker and kick them out.
5. I also want a respawn confirmation button, so if hacker is in and there is no one to start a vote, I can choose the be idle till they realize the game can not going on if they would not kick the hacker.
6. For the community, when you play, pay attention to others, kick hacker when you find one. If you think you can benefit from them, you are wrong, they might be on the other side next game.
7. If you find other side would NOT kick a hacker, quit the game and stay in the room, whisper to your team all doing the same. If everyone quit and no one can enter, the dumb ass players will know what they should do to play a game.

The final word, even though z8games have not provided enough weapon against hacker, the hacker prevention is the effort of whole community. If you think the vote kick is stupid and should report, you choose to never to press the esc and start a vote, but you will never have a clean game. The review of game is time consuming, and during the review many kids choose to download a hacking code when they find they others hacking and have not been kicked immediately.

Also, I have seen someone who were using hacking to kill the hacker on the other side. In some sense, he is a decent one because he only kill that hacker, but at the end of the game I kicked him, because no matter if he is decent or not, he is a hacker too.

ye sure

reports go direct to recycle bin .i make a lot of report and nothing happen those players r still in game and most of them was obvious hakers they shoot trough walls no way to b error of this

one_9 wrote: »

@GhostArch

Firstly, I applaud your efforts into reporting as many hackers as you could (3 digits oh my). That shows dedication. I thank you!

It is understandable how people wish to point out "hackers" onto this forum, but really, it will only come down to hostilities towards such people. Yes hacking is not desired, but it wouldn't give us the right to be downright angry on the person using those hacks.

I'm for one am glad that the long-ago bug of leaving rooms during a kick would invalidate the kick was patched. Thank goodness it wasn't present during large hacking sprees .

I remember a few of the honor system being suggested on these forums once.
If I had to create a suggestion, it would be to lengthen the time a person is able to create an account. Say every 2 or 3 months in between account creations. IPs that were logged to an already banned account for hacking, but not permanent bans, could be tracked to any new accounts under that IP so if they do hack again, well all's well that ends well.
^Still in-the-works of a suggestion^

Really, it just comes down to the integrity of the people in the room. If they truly do not wish that hacker to be in the room, then they will do all they can to get him kicked, and going even further with having 15 hacking reports all pointing towards the same conclusion.

But unfortunately, that last paragraph is easily abused to those that are only "appearing" to be hacking and actually are just playing on a higher plane than those beneath such a "pro player"

Hi, there, it is you again. I have not seen your post for a while, for I have not been on these forum for a while.

Yes, I agreed with the one to lengthen the process and increase the complexity to create an account. My previously suggestion --- a new account must be activated every several days through email for at least 1 month, till a certain level has reached. The hacking would be a tedious process, ONLY IF a hacker is banned. As I remember, a MOD had mentioned that a hacker can have 7 days probation till they can play again. Maybe this is democracy, but I think it is somewhat dumb. Legit players will lost patience, and those who are hesitating if to hack or not will be glad to know that they have a second life.

A ban system is always slow. There are just too many of them. We need to community to line up to against this issue, if a player in a room just feel lucky that hacker is in his team and just take the advantage, why can't I kick him as a host? For those who purposely vote no to kick a hacker, would you think they are somebody with a beautiful mind?

One new years day, I met at least 1 hacker in almost every room. Mostly, I asked why before I came in, there is no one start a vote. Then I found I just could NOT win the vote. Then another question, why the player on the other side were happily being killed by hacker (nowadays they need not to go under map, they just shoot at walls, without the need to run out of their base), even though there are some stupid daily mission to complete, to playing in a game with hackers is a total waste of time.

I have this idea for a long time, just add a button to confirm respawn if the hacker is not kicked, if someone believes he can fight hacker in this game without any hacking tools, let him do it. I will just watch, and let those who would not vote to kick to enjoy the killing, till they find there are no one would respawn.

This is the logic, to make the game tedious for those who do NOT care about hacker in a legit way is a solution, when z8 have sticked a post from a forumer to explain to all the others that z8 can not solve the problem even though they are struggling to handle it.

Lastly, I would say that my report have not reach 3 digit, that means I have only 4 pages of tickets. I think I have more saved replay in somewhere in my computer, but I would never watch them again. A report can not save any game, voters can. A ticket will end as another question mark, all the carefully reviewed replays will be answered as deleted. So why should I bother it? But there comes another question, are you working for the z8 now? If not, there is no reason you need to thank me for report it, in fact, I think it would not solve the problem. 1 year ago, I had questioned how this ban system works so slow with GM and MOD. Now I realize that the ban speed can never win the speed players start to cheat. So now my strategy is calling for vote, then if fail, step out the room. I don't think every one can share the idea of fair play, those who can tolerate hackers inside the game, just enjoy the killing or being killed.

I wish you did the same.

Again, if I was host, I still kick those who has not start a vote in the hacker side. I am sorry I don't know who has not press f11, but esc then start a vote can let me know the player's attitude against hacks.

one_9 wrote: »

Really in the end, it does come down to the community willing to always be kicking a hacker when they come into a room, then proceed to file a report on such a hacker at the end of the game even if the kick DID get through.

Maybe with your confirmation of respawn button, in the meantime it goes into a mini-spectator mode, where you can see a 1st person view of other players or something.

Ahh so not a 3 digit # of reports, just 4 pages
I had like a hundred+ replays all clustered together for about a year's worth of reports that were never filed just due to laziness or no time to fill it out or something. Then they got deleted in some random cleanup

I'm not working for Z8, just another forumer who's glad to see another forumer -.-

Thank goodness desertions aren't given any value, else leaving rooms just to save my KD, would make this whole system be worthless to me.

In fact, there are some early ones that goes into a zip file with several reports and upload onto megaupload or something. I once have a text file as record.

The peek mode is a good idea. Even without it, players still type site A site A to you in the game.

Wishjj wrote: »

Close this thread.

I like your siggy

@LowLifeNerdz: why would ask support such a question on Brazilians? That's like giving a pound of coke to a politician and then asking to take photos while he's snorting it up.
CF LA is still in closed beta. How about voicing such concern when it actually gets into a public release?