[CF EU] No more farming!
Seems like farming in [CF EU] is gone! Farming is not allowed any more. GM's already banned 1719 accounts for farming.
oops, looks like I am not allowed to post links to other CF versions
They are doing their job very good for now.
Any comments on this? I would like to see what does z8 community think about this.
oops, looks like I am not allowed to post links to other CF versions
They are doing their job very good for now.
Any comments on this? I would like to see what does z8 community think about this.
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Preface
If I go in to a game with 15 of my other friends.
And those 15 people allow me to shoot them, in the manner in which was originally designed by the game, to collect frags at a rate which can be comparable to any other game being played currently in the game, how can a company determine that this is against the rules.
Everyone in the game has agreed to this series of events. You then run the risk of a user complaining that they deserve to get some more kills, or have their records wiped because they didn't agree to this.
Or if you are in a regular game, say a Search and Destroy map and you are losing 6 games to 1. Instead of playing the game out properly you just want to end the map. So you decide to "suicide" yourself and let the other team win. Is this farming?
Or if you are in a TDM game and you notice a player is purposely running towards you with their knife and you are holding an AK47. You get the frag because of their stupidity. What would happen if that player went to the company and said you were farming. Look, you got points because you were killing me when I was using a knife. I thought we were in a knife match?
Who is the company to decide one way or another HOW a user plays the game.
What the company can do (and what we do) is monitor things like virtual software and hinder its use. Working to stop hacking as best we can. And spending our efforts tracking down illegitimate users rather than users who are just bent on being the highest level possible.
Notes about Events + Farming
If we do an event that says "Get 50 kills and you will win a skull spray". Users complain because the reward sucks. But in order to up the reward we must up the requirements.
So we say "Get 200 kills and get a ghost grenade". And then all the users complain that its so easy for the farmers to get the prize.
All the events that we design we try to make it such that it requires 1-2 hours of playing over a course of a period of time. Regular playing is always used as a 'bar' to determine what an event requirement is.
In the end, if you played regularly and got the prize what does it matter if the Farmer got the prize in half the time? It shouldn't bother you at all since that Farmer has nothing to do with you.
Evidence
They are working off of game statistics and screenshots.
I know for a fact that our Moderating team gets so much flak because people try to push screenshots of them doing bad things, which aren't bad its merely taken out of context.
If you were in a game and said "I hate farmers" when you saw someone farming. And then someone else came in the game and said "What's going on?" And then you said "farming". Because you're ****ed at someone. Well this guy just presses print screen. Sends it in and you get banned.
The amount of wrong bans for farming will always tend to exceed the amount of correct bans based on things like screenshot evidence, or external forum evidence etc etc.
How would you feel if you were just trying to make a big push to the next level, someone thought you were farming and submitted what looked like solid evidence to the company and then you were banned.
1700+ accounts being closed is a big number. Personally we would rather remove that many hackers rather than farmers. And we do, constantly through reviews and auto-detections.
The fact that they had to offer 1700 people an "out" means that I'm sure someone will come up with a good story to get their account unbanned. And when you see them in the game then you're going to wonder what happened. And ultimately it's really not good for anyone.
Conclusion
So you can see Farming is a highly sensitive subject. But as long as they are within the game not using external programs it is very hard to abuse the "mechanics of the game". The game was designed for you to go in, accumulate frags and then rank up. Whether you did that in 4 days or 2 weeks doesn't really make a difference.
In the end, worry about your own account and your own clan and how well you are doing. And less about who the guy is at the top of the ranks. If you play enough eventually you'll get there at your own pace and you'll have the piece of mind to know you did it more legit than them! -
I don't see why people get so worked up over another person's rank. Some people are new to this game, have a smiley face rank, and play pretty well (granted, that usually gets them kicked), and some people have 'Major' ranks and are God awful.
Such is life.
As far as banning farmers goes, CF-EU just have the advantage of nipping it in the bud, so to speak. -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »What the company can do (and what we do) is monitor things like virtual software and hinder its use. Working to stop hacking as best we can. And spending our efforts tracking down illegitimate users rather than users who are just bent on being the highest level possible.
Saidin has spoken, guys,
Now stop QQing about farmers, -
The reason why Crossfire dying is cause of us, the people who play this game and abuse it to the max, many people don't check the forums, even if they do, they still won't act mature, guess that's a major problem we're having around here.
They say : "If you want to improve your country then you need to be a part your community, not against it"
That's my opinion, and i care the less about what others will say to me
Cya pumpkins
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I don't see why people get so worked up over another person's rank. Some people are new to this game, have a smiley face rank, and play pretty well (granted, that usually gets them kicked), and some people have 'Major' ranks and are God awful.
Such is life.
As far as banning farmers goes, CF-EU just have the advantage of nipping it in the bud, so to speak.
I like to go on alts just to make ppl mad about a private stomping them in pubs.
Getting kicked something like 7/10 games. But I still have fun. -
I don't see why people get so worked up over another person's rank. Some people are new to this game, have a smiley face rank, and play pretty well (granted, that usually gets them kicked), and some people have 'Major' ranks and are God awful.
Such is life.
As far as banning farmers goes, CF-EU just have the advantage of nipping it in the bud, so to speak.
ik, you wouldn't believe the amount of people that QQ about how i farmed, like how does me farming affect them so they whine about it? lol -
I guess I'll take the time to reiterate. Rank is but an image with a few perks and restrictions. Excluding the rank restrictions to guns, making clans + marks, and doing something such as entering a server, rank really does not matter. Even for something such as the rank hats, what is it but additional EXP, which, will give you more ranks.
If you care enough to farm for a rank, that's great. It's your personal choice. It's not like it's illegal to have 16 of your own computers.
Farming is not illegal according to the rules, it's just discouraged. It's not condoned, but it's not going to be a reprimand-able offense. Many factors have been added in order to prevent such [timing out in game, inability to join a stacked team, etc.]
Other versions may want to ban, but this version chooses not to under the basis that you're technically not doing anything wrong.
Now, to get to the touchy stuff. If the high rankers act all high up to you and continually abuse you, and are rude. You have the option to report them for abuse. Not only is this the recommended route, it also takes away their rank, which they may cherish.
Reporting is the best alternative to starting an argument. Don't be the one that starts an argument and gets bit in the butt at the end. If they're harassing you, report them. Easy as that. -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »
If I go in to a game with 15 of my other friends.
And those 15 people allow me to shoot them, in the manner in which was originally designed by the game, to collect frags at a rate which can be comparable to any other game being played currently in the game, how can a company determine that this is against the rules.
They can make that decision... I am 100% sure that game (CF) wasn't designed for you to go in game and play with 15 unmovable objects. So you could get enormous amount of EXP in really short time.[GM]Saidin wrote: »
Or if you are in a regular game, say a Search and Destroy map and you are losing 6 games to 1. Instead of playing the game out properly you just want to end the map. So you decide to "suicide" yourself and let the other team win. Is this farming?
Or if you are in a TDM game and you notice a player is purposely running towards you with their knife and you are holding an AK47. You get the frag because of their stupidity. What would happen if that player went to the company and said you were farming. Look, you got points because you were killing me when I was using a knife. I thought we were in a knife match?
No, that is clearly not farming. It is called forgetting your weapon or basically being a noob.
If you want to end the game: esc+enter+enter is here. Or say that you are hacker and try to get kicked out.[GM]Saidin wrote: »
In the end, if you played regularly and got the prize what does it matter if the Farmer got the prize in half the time? It shouldn't bother you at all since that Farmer has nothing to do with you.
You're wrong.
Lets say that Farmer maybe got that super uber cool "OP" weapon and he came in my room and started pwning me with it. It would take even more time for me to get it.
*cough* M4A1-CC, 100k kills ribbon, 2.0 kdr ribbon etc.*cough*
Of course I would complain, it is not fair that he got that weapon b4 me just because he has 10 PC's or he is using some program that makes him run 10 CF's at once.[GM]Saidin wrote: »
So you can see Farming is a highly sensitive subject. But as long as they are within the game not using external programs it is very hard to abuse the "mechanics of the game".
Very hard to abuse? ROFL
Most of your top 10 ranked players were/are paying other players to kill them for free.
Or they help each other to level up fast.
Imagine situation like this:
There are 9 guys. They all like to level up fast so they decided to farm.
First they will make locked room and 1 guy will kill other 8 guys when they are AFK.
Than second guy will kill other 8 guys when they are AFK. And they will do this until they all get levels they wanted.[GM]Saidin wrote: »
The game was designed for you to go in, accumulate frags and then rank up.
Yes, that is true. But was it designed for you to kill 8 AFK people so you could level up 100x faster than average player? I don't think so.[GM]Saidin wrote: »
They are working off of game statistics and screenshots.
I know for a fact that our Moderating team gets so much flak because people try to push screenshots of them doing bad things, which aren't bad its merely taken out of context.
If you were in a game and said "I hate farmers" when you saw someone farming. And then someone else came in the game and said "What's going on?" And then you said "farming". Because you're ****ed at someone. Well this guy just presses print screen. Sends it in and you get banned.
I am 100% sure that they are not banning for silly reasons. They are checking your account data before they decide to ban you. e.g. KDR (especially in TDM), number of headshoots, and comparing them to other scores you have.[GM]Saidin wrote: »
The amount of wrong bans for farming will always tend to exceed the amount of correct bans based on things like screenshot evidence, or external forum evidence etc etc.
Nope. They are also banning "cow" accounts. Which are used by farmers.
Also, I am sure that nobody is Farming in public. I admit, I farmed in this version (not in EU). But I never even thought of farming in public. There would be many people which would ruin my score and take "my kills/EXP".[GM]Saidin wrote: »1700+ accounts being closed is a big number. Personally we would rather remove that many hackers rather than farmers. And we do, constantly through reviews and auto-detections.
The fact that they had to offer 1700 people an "out" means that I'm sure someone will come up with a good story to get their account unbanned. And when you see them in the game then you're going to wonder what happened. And ultimately it's really not good for anyone.
Even GMLoki (GM in CF EU said), if you come up with good story, you can get unbanned. Which I think it is OK. But all your stats will be wiped out.
And also tell me since when does Z8Games care about cheaters/hackers? ROFL
You don't even offer permanent ban or anything. When was the last time you banned hacker permanently? Never? LOL
There are 1000x more hackers in this version compared to EU. "We" (EU) actually have proper ban system. They get permanent IP ban first time caught cheating + more (which is secret to avoid getting past it).
I reported a lot of hackers in this version. 90% of them just got silly 7 day ban, and they continued to play. When you get permanent IP ban and hardware ban, tell me.
I played this CF for very long time, and I doubt I will ever play it again (maybe only to check what is going on in new patches).[GM]Saidin wrote: »
Whether you did that in 4 days or 2 weeks doesn't really make a difference.
Ugh... It does. Just think of level restricted weapons.
Farmer would get all good weapons in 2-3 days, and normal player would need more than a month to unlock them.
For example, RPK. RPK is very good weapon in MM. Farmer would get that weapon almost right away, and he will continue to pwn normal players while they are stuck with bad weapons which are not so good at MM.
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GoldCookiez wrote: »They can make that decision... I am 100% sure that game (CF) wasn't designed for you to go in game and play with 15 unmovable objects.
No, that is clearly not farming. It is called forgetting your weapon or basically being a noob.
If you want to end the game: esc+enter+enter is here. Or say that you are hacker and try to get kicked out.
You're wrong.
Lets say that Farmer maybe got that super uber cool "OP" weapon and he came in my room and started pwning me with it. It would take even more time for me to get it.
*cough* M4A1-CC, 100k kills ribbon, 2.0 kdr ribbon etc.*cough*
Of course I would complain, it is not fair that he got that weapon b4 me just because he has 10 PC's or he is using some program that makes him run 10 CF's at once.
Very hard to abuse? ROFL
Most of your top 10 ranked players were/are paying other players to kill them for free.
Or they help each other to level up fast.
Imagine situation like this:
There are 9 guys. They all like to level up fast so they decided to farm.
First they will make locked room and 1 guy will kill other 8 guys when they are AFK.
Than second guy will kill other 8 guys when they are AFK. And they will do this until they all get levels they wanted.
Yes, that is true. But was it designed for you to kill 8 AFK people so you could level up 100x faster than average player? I don't think so.
Ugh... It does. Just think of level restricted weapons.
Farmer would get all good weapons in 2-3 days, and normal player would need more than a month to unlock them.
For example, RPK. RPK is very good weapon in MM. Farmer would get that weapon almost right away, and he will continue to pwn normal players while they are stuck with bad weapons which are not so good at MM.
The gun does not make the player, I could get the top players in the game [in the competitive side] and give them M16s and place them in a bout against players with no game sense at all and give them any gun they want. Heck, I'll give them dual M12's. I thoroughly doubt that they will win.
So what if the farmers get the ribbons or the guns. It's not like they're getting anything. You're just being jealous of the fact that they don't have to waste the same amount of time that you do to get it. What are they doing? Sure, they could have the M4A1 C-C. In all of my days playing since the gun came out, I haven't seen many people use it as a main weapon.
Let's face it, you're mad because they have the rank and you don't. As you said, they're paying other people to let them kill them. So? They're doing it on their own basis. It's not against any rules. You're not buying an account, you're just agreeing to play a game in which nobody kills the "farmer".
Sure, the game wasn't made for farming. No game is made for you to abuse it. It's not anybody's fault that the want to do it, and in turn abuse the fact that if an in game player isn't being moved, he won't react to shots.
As I said, rank matters because? It's an indication of your experience points. Not an indication of your skill, nor is it an indication of your account age. -
GoldCookiez wrote: »stuff that doesn't show a lack of care for what we're doing
We permanently banned over 100 hackers today. We suspended as part of the automatic system, over 1000 accounts. Those accounts if they continue to hack will eventually also be permanently banned.
Not to mention that we have a little ban bell which we have fun with whenever we issue bans for hacking. We stopped hitting the bell because it was going off too many times.
Secondly, the events in which can take place within Cross Fire can almost always 100% be abused by farming. This is partly why that other version decided to take this kind of action. Because they didn't realize just how many people are interested in farming just to get whatever prize and are still learning how to set event times and events that everyone can participate in.
Thirdly, going on the above those ribbons have some farming aspects to it. In the same way that some (not all) ribbons have some ZP aspects to it. And some (not all) ribbons have elements of "just playing" to them. The M4-CCrystal while having some elements of being cool is far from OP. In fact according to most competitive gun users it's one of the worst versions of the M4A1. The unique factor comes from it being crystal. But requiring 20 ribbons means you could easily get this weapon if you become involved in the game (winning event ribbons) and playing the game regularly (like getting the elite badge ones, collecting guns, having some grenades, playing in RF, connecting facebook etc etc). Not everything is going to be in the game to "hand out".
And by a fairly low rank level you've got the ability to buy and use every weapon in the game. I hardly see how this is OP?
By this token then you're suggesting we should take action against all players of a higher rank who have purchased ZP (heck even won a GP permanent gun in the Black Market) who go in to games to get frags with what potentially could be considered MUCH MORE OP guns against lower level people? (this is just plain maddness)
No game is designed for you to kill AFK people. But there's a bit of a wake up call here for people who don't realize that if you CAN DO IT it's not against the rules.
Just because the designers didn't expect you to run around with a knife or shoot your non-mobile friend 20 times doesn't mean they weren't aware of it when they made the game.
Did the designers of Halo intend for you to look on youtube to find out all the locations of all the hidden achievements in the game? No. They didn't. But are they going to ban you for doing it? No they aren't.
Farming to some degree exists in every game made. But someones rank shouldn't let it bother your experience within the game.
And lastly, again I'll reiterate that if done privately its very difficult to actually determine farming. Even in a 16 player game on one or two incidences someone could just have a good game.
I (as a player) would hate to have a quick of quick matches in a game in which I went 25-0 or some such and then be automatically banned because the company was looking at my account and made the assumption I'm farming.
Anyways our stance on farming is quite clear and there is no grey area on it because we don't allow there to be grey area.
If you farm, its best you do it in private because you'll be made fun of in public. But if you are playing the game as is by shooting targets whether they are your friends or not, that is your (and their) choice for how they want to play the game.
However as soon as you bring in 3rd party programs, modify game clients, use bots, find ways around the system then we will remove your accounts permanently for breaking our ToS with regards to those programs.
And if you are bothered by this then we suggest ignoring the farmers. Because they really aren't doing anything to you. -
Wow gz... You permanently banned 100 cheaters today...
Just let me make another account and I am in again *click, click, done*. Free hakz & unlimited accounts for da win...
I said "OP". It doesn't really mean it is OP, but it is better than regular M4 which you can get for GP only.
"And lastly, again I'll reiterate that if done privately its very difficult to actually determine farming."
No it is not.
I don't really know, what kind of data can GM's access to (maybe it varies from version to version), but assuming what can they have. It is really easy to know who is farmer and who's not.
Also I see how can this affect your version of CF and why are you against it so much.
We have these rules since almost beginning, and players will adopt to them very easily.
But you never really thought of it as a problem, and then when somebody pointed it out. You just started to defend it as legal, normal etc.
Now if you implement this rule to your version. Some people (like me) would be happy. But then, you have a lot of Farmers and many of them would rage. Some of them would even quit the game.
And also? Are you scared of EU as your competition? I mean you've forbidden to post links, deleting threads etc. hahaha
@Smagjus
I totally agree with you man.
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FYI we don't release full hacking stats. We permanently ban in bulk all the time. You have to look to past history of announcements for that. And we permanently ban more than the numbers I suggested here all the time. But its safer for me to say those numbers because I'm not looking at the system at this moment.
It is looked on like this. You are sad because you don't have some weapon earlier than they do. Unfortunately we cannot help you with this sadness. The game functions the way it is, whether there are farmers in private who you never see in real life and have never actually played with you or not.
I noticed you skipped over my Halo example. I think I'm going to complain to bungie now because I am sad someone got all the Halo achievements faster than I did. -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95SYdjRVCR0&feature=related[GM]Saidin wrote: »FYI we don't release full hacking stats. We permanently ban in bulk all the time. You have to look to past history of announcements for that. And we permanently ban more than the numbers I suggested here all the time. But its safer for me to say those numbers because I'm not looking at the system at this moment.
It is looked on like this. You are sad because you don't have some weapon earlier than they do. Unfortunately we cannot help you with this sadness. The game functions the way it is, whether there are farmers in private who you never see in real life and have never actually played with you or not.
I noticed you skipped over my Halo example. I think I'm going to complain to bungie now because I am sad someone got all the Halo achievements faster than I did. -
Don't really see what the big deal is, especially over the M4-CC. Its an okay gun.
But I don't see why one thinks only farmers have this gun. I probably acquired it legitimately long before most farmers did. There's plenty of ways to achieve it for those who have stuck through the game.
I doubt even farming alone could get one to achieve the gun. So they get one or two ribbons. They still need alot more. A person can easily get the 2.0 ribbon by kill resetting if they were really desperate for instance. Leaving it down to even just one ribbon.
Still doesn't really affect you personally. -
lol I constantly farm on MW2, do I expect to be banned? No I don't.
It's the companies decision. I don't know what you're trying to express here since farmers do not hurt anyone but ignorant players who don't know that rank =/= skill. It's just an image, nothing else. -
Also I think your just sad because more and more players are migrating to EU.
And I've noticed that you've skipped my question about you being scared?
I am going to *QQ* and ask more questions. (nah, I am to tired)
And also I've noticed you skipped 50% of my post... -
GoldCookiez wrote: »Also I think your just sad because more and more players are migrating to EU.
And I've noticed that you've skipped my question about you being scared?
I am going to *QQ* and ask more questions. (nah, I am to tired)
And also I've noticed you skipped 50% of my post...
We can do nothing about player migration. It's their decision, however that is not what's on the table to discuss.
Therefore your first statement is completely irrelevant.
We prefer to care about our own games rather than another version of it. We're not scared of anything.
And also I've noticed that I don't even know the exact reason why you complain about images next to your IGN...
Ribbon prizes? I never farmed and I got all rewards.
Beret with 50% more EXP? It's a colonel beret, therefore limited to colonel ranks only (makes sense).
And I didn't reply to 50% of your posts because the point taken in that space was completely facepalmable and not worth to answer for the 12321312 time.
Thankyoucomeagain
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The gun does not make the player, I could get the top players in the game [in the competitive side] and give them M16s and place them in a bout against players with no game sense at all and give them any gun they want. Heck, I'll give them dual M12's. I thoroughly doubt that they will win.
So what if the farmers get the ribbons or the guns. It's not like they're getting anything. You're just being jealous of the fact that they don't have to waste the same amount of time that you do to get it. What are they doing? Sure, they could have the M4A1 C-C. In all of my days playing since the gun came out, I haven't seen many people use it as a main weapon.
Let's face it, you're mad because they have the rank and you don't. As you said, they're paying other people to let them kill them. So? They're doing it on their own basis. It's not against any rules. You're not buying an account, you're just agreeing to play a game in which nobody kills the "farmer".
Sure, the game wasn't made for farming. No game is made for you to abuse it. It's not anybody's fault that the want to do it, and in turn abuse the fact that if an in game player isn't being moved, he won't react to shots.
As I said, rank matters because? It's an indication of your experience points. Not an indication of your skill, nor is it an indication of your account age.
ORLY. 1vs1 please. You use M9 I use M12. Go go go?[GM]Saidin wrote: »We permanently banned over 100 hackers today. We suspended as part of the automatic system, over 1000 accounts. Those accounts if they continue to hack will eventually also be permanently banned.
Would you mind explaining that eventually? So basically, someone hacks, you give him out a ban for 7 days, he gets back, starts doing it again, you ban him for 30 days and he starts doing it yet AGAIN?... Look, I respect you and all, but please, don't think that we're morons, alright? Hackers DESIRVE to be banned permenently on the FIRST time the get caugh.[GM]Saidin wrote: »This is partly why that other version decided to take this kind of action. Because they didn't realize just how many people are interested in farming just to get whatever prize and are still learning how to set event times and events that everyone can participate in.
I may be wrong, but CF CN is one of the oldest CF verions and it's still bannable to farm in there. Don't tell me they'll learning too, because .. I think you have to learn from them. No offence.[GM]Saidin wrote: »Thirdly, going on the above those ribbons have some farming aspects to it. In the same way that some (not all) ribbons have some ZP aspects to it. And some (not all) ribbons have elements of "just playing" to them. The M4-CCrystal while having some elements of being cool is far from OP. In fact according to most competitive gun users it's one of the worst versions of the M4A1. The unique factor comes from it being crystal. But requiring 20 ribbons means you could easily get this weapon if you become involved in the game (winning event ribbons) and playing the game regularly (like getting the elite badge ones, collecting guns, having some grenades, playing in RF, connecting facebook etc etc). Not everything is going to be in the game to "hand out".
Nothing to say about this one. Pretty correct in my oppinion. The only thing you messed up is talking about RF. It's dead.[GM]Saidin wrote: »And by a fairly low rank level you've got the ability to buy and use every weapon in the game. I hardly see how this is OP?
Agreed. Then on the other hand, I agree as someone who played this game for 3 years. I think you still do remember that Emo guy who was still SFC after a year of playing tho. It's easy for us to get those ranks, but those noobs who come in game, with their first M16, and thinking that Micro-Galil has the power of an AK .. (Was my case) ... Those stay in the ass.[GM]Saidin wrote: »By this token then you're suggesting we should take action against all players of a higher rank who have purchased ZP (heck even won a GP permanent gun in the Black Market) who go in to games to get frags with what potentially could be considered MUCH MORE OP guns against lower level people? (this is just plain maddness)
Nothing to say about it, just that you shall watch it about SL, Kriss, M12 and Thompson. But well, you're not blind and I highly doubt that you're dumb. If you wanted to do something, you WOULD do something already. If nothing was done, asking for it to be done has no sence.[GM]Saidin wrote: »No game is designed for you to kill AFK people. But there's a bit of a wake up call here for people who don't realize that if you CAN DO IT it's not against the rules.
Just because the designers didn't expect you to run around with a knife or shoot your non-mobile friend 20 times doesn't mean they weren't aware of it when they made the game.
Did the designers of Halo intend for you to look on youtube to find out all the locations of all the hidden achievements in the game? No. They didn't. But are they going to ban you for doing it? No they aren't.
Farming to some degree exists in every game made. But someones rank shouldn't let it bother your experience within the game.
You disappoint me with this one. Pretty much. First you pose as fighting against farming, and now you're saying that it's alright. I DEMAND to remove the idle kick from the game, if farming is fine.
We know you want to please everyone, but look, either you do something, either you don't. If you want to act against farming, than start banning for it. If you don't, then let me take a sh*t in the middle of the game without being worried of being kicked if I want to. You get my point right? Because now you're being a hypocryte.
Either DO fight farming, either leave us the f*ck alone and take your idle kick with you while you're at it.[GM]Saidin wrote: »And lastly, again I'll reiterate that if done privately its very difficult to actually determine farming. Even in a 16 player game on one or two incidences someone could just have a good game.
I (as a player) would hate to have a quick of quick matches in a game in which I went 25-0 or some such and then be automatically banned because the company was looking at my account and made the assumption I'm farming.
Anyways our stance on farming is quite clear and there is no grey area on it because we don't allow there to be grey area.
If you farm, its best you do it in private because you'll be made fun of in public. But if you are playing the game as is by shooting targets whether they are your friends or not, that is your (and their) choice for how they want to play the game.
However as soon as you bring in 3rd party programs, modify game clients, use bots, find ways around the system then we will remove your accounts permanently for breaking our ToS with regards to those programs.
And if you are bothered by this then we suggest ignoring the farmers. Because they really aren't doing anything to you.
Same as above, your stance is the one of a lost guy who doesn't know where to get himself to. You pretend to fight farming by the idle kick, yet you "legalize" it by openly opposing the banning of farmers. Just leave us the F-CK alone, I DEMAND to be able to take a DUMP when I need to, WITHOUT being kicked by your "We-Fight-Against-Legit-Farming" rose fairy tales. We're not morons, don't treat us as such.Okay, when farming does not harm anyone then simply remove idle kick and the exp limit
Otherwise it will keep harming everyone.
+1.lol I constantly farm on MW2, do I expect to be banned? No I don't.
It's the companies decision. I don't know what you're trying to express here since farmers do not hurt anyone but ignorant players who don't know that rank =/= skill. It's just an image, nothing else.
The problem is, on MW2 administration doesn't pretends to "fight the legit farming", and dude, at least while playing MW2 people can take a dump in the middle of the game. -
For those asking about the kick idle, there's more reasons for its use than just for the farmers. It's to prevent people from taking up unneeded space in public rooms and also eases the stress of the server load for people idling in game with no activity en masse. Even in the channel lobbies there is a timer before you are booted from the game itself. It's also a resource thing.
Also, unlike farming rooms, an idler DOES affect players in a public room. -
You ever noticed what's written on the kick function? "Idle". With all due respect, as I said before ... We're not morons. Please stop talking to us like we are. Just please man, I respect you, respect me too, don't talk to me like you talk to a 3 years old.[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »For those asking about the kick idle, there's more reasons for its use than just for the farmers. It's to prevent people from taking up unneeded space in public rooms and also eases the stress of the server load for people idling in game with no activity en masse. Even in the channel lobbies there is a timer before you are booted from the game itself. It's also a resource thing.
Also, unlike farming rooms, an idler DOES affect players in a public room.
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