WHY would you guys even make acr a zp weapon.
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Giggletron wrote: »Give me one good reason why its a problem and should be changed to GP.
I will give you THREE reasons.
1. Rarely do people buy zp temporary items and ussually spend zp on crates,gp.
2. Many Zp guns have a boost of some sort (increased ammo, reskins, funtional scopes, wallbang damage...etc.) as far as i can tell...the ACR has none of those.
3. Gp guns such as the scar-light are superior when comparing stats"yes i compared the two and scarlight was better in almost every category". so why would most people pay money for a gun that is statistically worse than a free weapon. -
Look crossfire your community is saying STOP WITH THE DANG ZP GUNS i am not the only one so for all you gms who are like who is this guy well i got people who agree so get some pep in your dang step and get moving we are sick and tired of your money hungry ways and we are putting our foot down.
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Ugg, another thread complaining about a patch, that didn't meet their expectations.
Z8Games needs to release ZP guns, in order to stay afloat and provide us with future patches.
There are other ZP guns in which are below or simular to GP guns, should they be GP too?
The gun I am referring to is the Kriss Super V and the M12s they are very much alike.
I am with Gig, provide us all with a GOOD explanation with why the ACR should indeed be GP. -
Look crossfire your community is saying STOP WITH THE DANG ZP GUNS i am not the only one so for all you gms who are like who is this guy well i got people who agree so get some pep in your dang step and get moving we are sick and tired of your money hungry ways and we are putting our foot down.
all this complaining useless they wont do anything about it -
I will give you THREE reasons.
1. Rarely do people buy zp temporary items and ussually spend zp on crates,gp.
2. Many Zp guns have a boost of some sort (increased ammo, reskins, funtional scopes, wallbang damage...etc.) as far as i can tell...the ACR has none of those.
3. Gp guns such as the scar-light are superior when comparing stats"yes i compared the two and scarlight was better in almost every category". so why would most people pay money for a gun that is statistically worse than a free weapon.
1. No YOU dont buy temp zp weapons. People obviously do if they continue the release.
2. Thats not really a reason... There isnt exactly a definition to what a ZP gun should be.
3. Again.. thats irrelevant. You wouldnt use it anyway compared to anything else.
None of the reasons actually cause a problem... only to you. -
I understand they need to make zp weapons but not every god dang patch i mean for freak sake stop thinking about your paycheck for one minute and use one patch for nothing but gp guns and crates that would make us all happy we have almost 2 full pages of zp crate guns and just half a page of gp crate guns its like come on i mean if you are that selfish then just quit making the game.DerpToDaMAX wrote: »Ugg, another thread complaining about a patch, that didn't meet their expectations.
Z8Games needs to release ZP guns, in order to stay afloat and provide us with future patches.
There are other ZP guns in which are below or simular to GP guns, should they be GP too?
The gun I am referring to is the Kriss Super V and the M12s they are very much alike.
I am with Gig, provide us all with a GOOD explanation with why the ACR should indeed be GP. -
I will give you THREE reasons.
1. Rarely do people buy zp temporary items and ussually spend zp on crates,gp.
2. Many Zp guns have a boost of some sort (increased ammo, reskins, funtional scopes, wallbang damage...etc.) as far as i can tell...the ACR has none of those.
3. Gp guns such as the scar-light are superior when comparing stats"yes i compared the two and scarlight was better in almost every category". so why would most people pay money for a gun that is statistically worse than a free weapon.
Answers:
1. That's why I see tons of people running around with temp ZP items, in games I play.
2. The ACR is the base version of the gun, which means it isn't a improved item, such as other guns with more ammo, ect. I am sure every gun has wallbang, if you mean 100% wallbang, there are few guns that do. Doesn't mean its a crap gun based on having lower wallbang percentage.
3. Comparing the ACR against the SL, is a fail on your part, since the SL is a noob gun, and it's stats outclass other AR's, doesn't mean those AR's are crap, such as your saying...
P.S. - Just FYI, just because a gun is ZP, doesn't necessarily mean it's going to outshine any/all GP guns... -
I understand they need to make zp weapons but not every god dang patch i mean for freak sake stop thinking about your paycheck for one minute and use one patch for nothing but gp guns and crates that would make us all happy we have almost 2 full pages of zp crate guns and just half a page of gp crate guns its like come on i mean if you are that selfish then just quit making the game.
I think they are selfish, today i was happy about halloween patch i thought i am gonna win something but nothing just god dam sprays on hallowen crate and useless grenade that no one needs. By the way they made it 5 crates so we wont spin it with 1 crate and so we could buy more zp. This is not fair!!!!!!! -
DerpToDaMAX wrote: »Ugg, another thread complaining about a patch, that didn't meet their expectations.
Z8Games needs to release ZP guns, in order to stay afloat and provide us with future patches.
There are other ZP guns in which are below or simular to GP guns, should they be GP too?
The gun I am referring to is the Kriss Super V and the M12s they are very much alike.
I am with Gig, provide us all with a GOOD explanation with why the ACR should indeed be GP.
I just gave three reasons. And read the whole thread please, I already aknowledged that z8 needs to make money, i just think they are doing it the wrong way. I am trying to help crossfire and z8. not complain. FYI- Kriss Is statistically better than m12, Kriss LM has more overall ammo,faster reload,better accuracy, and a "special skin". These are the criteria that would classify it as a zp gun. -
DerpToDaMAX wrote: »Answers:
1. That's why I see tons of people running around with temp ZP items, in games I play.
2. The ACR is the base version of the gun, which means it isn't a improved item, such as other guns with more ammo, ect. I am sure every gun has wallbang, if you mean 100% wallbang, there are few guns that do. Doesn't mean its a crap gun based on having lower wallbang percentage.
3. Comparing the ACR against the SL, is a fail on your part, since the SL is a noob gun, and it's stats outclass other AR's, doesn't mean those AR's are crap, such as your saying...
P.S. - Just FYI, just because a gun is ZP, doesn't necessarily mean it's going to outshine any/all GP guns...
A majority of zp temp are from crates, zm and so on...Furthermore, the acr is worse than most of the popular rifles like sg552, aug, m4, ak etc...
I'm glad they put it in zp so I don't need to waste gp to buy it. lol -
Giggletron wrote: »1. No YOU dont buy temp zp weapons. People obviously do if they continue the release.
2. Thats not really a reason... There isnt exactly a definition to what a ZP gun should be.
3. Again.. thats irrelevant. You wouldnt use it anyway compared to anything else.
None of the reasons actually cause a problem... only to you.
2- then what is the definition of a zp gun? something that we pay for that is worse than gp guns? isnt that the point of zp, to have an advantage of some sort? if not, why would they make armor. "You wouldnt use it anyway compared to anything else." How do you know what U would use or wouldnt use? -
DerpToDaMAX wrote: »Answers:
1. That's why I see tons of people running around with temp ZP items, in games I play.
2. The ACR is the base version of the gun, which means it isn't a improved item, such as other guns with more ammo, ect. I am sure every gun has wallbang, if you mean 100% wallbang, there are few guns that do. Doesn't mean its a crap gun based on having lower wallbang percentage.
3. Comparing the ACR against the SL, is a fail on your part, since the SL is a noob gun, and it's stats outclass other AR's, doesn't mean those AR's are crap, such as your saying...
P.S. - Just FYI, just because a gun is ZP, doesn't necessarily mean it's going to outshine any/all GP guns...
1. Most zp temp items are won from CRATES.
2. The m14 ebr is a base gun also, but it definitely has better statistics than ACR ( \100% wallbang, more damage, faster reload.)
3. so i cant compare 2 guns because you think one of the guns is "noob" LOL. And like i said, read earlier posts, because i definitely didnt say any ARs other than SL is crap.
mabye you should find some quotes before assuming things i didnt say. -
2- then what is the definition of a zp gun? something that we pay for that is worse than gp guns? isnt that the point of zp, to have an advantage of some sort? if not, why would they make armor. "You wouldnt use it anyway compared to anything else." How do you know what U would use or wouldnt use?
Thats not my or your problem. If it was GP you would never use it if it was weaker than another. -
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Here's a thread that spells out the almost exact ratio of freely available guns versus zp ones.
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=159035
This doesn't include things like the Ruger and whanot, but even so the balance is still far in the favour of the free player.
Also, no where is it said ZP weapons HAVE to be superior. There is nothing you cna say that would justify it NOT being a ZP weapon other than your obscure view that because it sucks in your opinion that it should be gp.
We could always do what the other version do and make 70% of the weapons go ZP and any additional released weapon is ZP afterwards. At least the company is even releasing free weapons obtainable.
But as expected, there is always one complainer per patch about something. -
So what this boils down to is.
Your complaining that the ACR is statically worse than some of the ZP/GP guns.
So you want it to be changed from a ZP gun to a GP gun, based on its stats, and for the fact that is provides little to no advantage over, some GP guns.
You degrade it, in every aspect, and say that it is basically rubbish, then why should it matter, to you because obviously your not going to buy it, even if it was GP...
Nagging the GM's/Dev's isn't the best way to get something to change, patience is.
Beside's this CF isn't the first/starter version, that honor belongs to china, the gun's we get, are from that version of CF, so complaining about the NA/Canadian content, is moronic. -
Its not about zp or gp having an advantage. its the lack of support in general.[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »Here's a thread that spells out the almost exact ratio of freely available guns versus zp ones.
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=159035
This doesn't include things like the Ruger and whanot, but even so the balance is still far in the favour of the free player.
Also, no where is it said ZP weapons HAVE to be superior. There is nothing you cna say that would justify it NOT being a ZP weapon other than your obscure view that because it sucks in your opinion that it should be gp.
We could always do what the other version do and make 70% of the weapons go ZP and any additional released weapon is ZP afterwards. At least the company is even releasing free weapons obtainable.
But as expected, there is always one complainer per patch about something.
(backwards american flag backpacks, 30/90 on an 80 coupon gun??!?, orange tinted m4s that are supposed to be gold??)
Im not trying to complain so much...even though it probably comes across as that(just to get that out of the way) If you guys are trying to make money how would making paid guns worse motivate people to buy those weapons. I will be honest with you, I buy quite alot of zp. I have bought several hundred dollars since i started playing in 09. once again I NEVER said anywhere that the ACR sucks. I can definitely say this game is zp oriented though. if not why would Zp players be given armor and generally better weapons. The ACR on the other hand doesnt have "boosts" that nearly all zp guns have. Since the ACR doesnt have the "boosts" that nearly all zp guns have why wouldnt it be free...many other people in this thread obvously agree with me. I Understand that you can get zp weapons with gp crates and things...but really, We barely even get gp for ranking up to buy those crates, we get NO rewards once we get into ranks like 2nd lt. there is no way to make gp, except for daily missions...which seem to have the same maps and game modes all of the time(factory for long periods of time). Releasing things like cowboy hats to people who have bought zp isnt exactly showing that you appreciate them spending money on YOUR game. -
DerpToDaMAX wrote: »So what this boils down to is.
Your complaining that the ACR is statically worse than some of the ZP/GP guns.
So you want it to be changed from a ZP gun to a GP gun, based on its stats, and for the fact that is provides little to no advantage over, some GP guns.
You degrade it, in every aspect, and say that it is basically rubbish, then why should it matter, to you because obviously your not going to buy it, even if it was GP...
Nagging the GM's/Dev's isn't the best way to get something to change, patience is.
Beside's this CF isn't the first/starter version, that honor belongs to china, the gun's we get, are from that version of CF, so complaining about the NA/Canadian content, is moronic.
LOL, how can you say i wouldnt buy it if it was gp? its not worth spending real money on is what im saying. And where else am i supposed to get my points across? Fly to china to tell them? -
LOL, how can you say i wouldnt buy it if it was gp? its not worth spending real money on is what im saying. And where else am i supposed to get my points across? Fly to china to tell them?
I can say that you wouldn't buy it just for the fact that you continually, slam it because it doesn't match up to some of the upper tier guns, the amount of posts you nit pick it, screams out to me as, "I won't be buying this gun, because in my eye's it isn't worth the cost, nor does it match up to the guns, I compare it to, thus making it pure garbage."
There are other ZP guns that aren't worth buying for real life cash on...
Ohh and there's a Chinese website for their CF version, were you can ask questions, smartass. -
Its not about zp or gp having an advantage. its the lack of support in general.
(backwards american flag backpacks, 30/90 on an 80 coupon gun??!?, orange tinted m4s that are supposed to be gold??)
Im not trying to complain so much...even though it probably comes across as that(just to get that out of the way) If you guys are trying to make money how would making paid guns worse motivate people to buy those weapons. I will be honest with you, I buy quite alot of zp. I have bought several hundred dollars since i started playing in 09. once again I NEVER said anywhere that the ACR sucks. I can definitely say this game is zp oriented though. if not why would Zp players be given armor and generally better weapons. The ACR on the other hand doesnt have "boosts" that nearly all zp guns have. Since the ACR doesnt have the "boosts" that nearly all zp guns have why wouldnt it be free...many other people in this thread obvously agree with me. I Understand that you can get zp weapons with gp crates and things...but really, We barely even get gp for ranking up to buy those crates, we get NO rewards once we get into ranks like 2nd lt. there is no way to make gp, except for daily missions...which seem to have the same maps and game modes all of the time(factory for long periods of time). Releasing things like cowboy hats to people who have bought zp isnt exactly showing that you appreciate them spending money on YOUR game.
You forget that the usefulness of the gun isn't always a factor. The M4 Crystal is a collectors gun, even if it seems inferior it is actually different than a normal M4 in terms of spray. It also gives people a chance to own a silenced weapon for those oriented about stealth.
The ACR, like the AK74u, Dual Uzis and so on, are all originals. Its just a different gun to use, and hey for all you know it could appear in crates or promos in the future for people to use.
I never quoted you said it overall sucked, but you were comparing it sucking to all ZP weapons which isn't what ZP weapons are about.
Lastly, there's more opportunity to earn gp and stuff than it was over a year ago and before then. You got missions and you got Hero Mode, which are two great sources for gp.
Doing missions allows you to get a things like Armor and other zp items for free just by getting that 500 gp a day. Along with a chance to win a zp crate weapon from dogtags. There's quite a bit.
I hardly even use ZP weapons personally. Almost all my bag guns are GP and still beat those who use ZP weapons. Its less about the weapons used and more about how you play.
If you want to know why I think the ACR is a zp temp is because it has considerable stability staying still or even on the move. Its spray might not be tight, but its easy to control with its accuracy.
I've yet to test its power even, so that could even add to it.
Also note, the M4 Custom originally had the 35bullet clip int he beginning, but I believe it was nerfed to the 30/90. then was reverted back to the 35 again.
As for weapon skins, those are a bit off topic and sort of unrelated at this point. Such issues usually do get updated or fixed at some point. There used to be weapons with wronged textures far longer than those.
Regardless, there will be more guns in the future to choose from for your gp. A patch a month doesn't always guarantee such coming often, so just sit back and wait.
*Huffs.* -
[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »You forget that the usefulness of the gun isn't always a factor. The M4 Crystal is a collectors gun, even if it seems inferior it is actually different than a normal M4 in terms of spray. It also gives people a chance to own a silenced weapon for those oriented about stealth.
The ACR, like the AK74u, Dual Uzis and so on, are all originals. Its just a different gun to use, and hey for all you know it could appear in crates or promos in the future for people to use.
I never quoted you said it overall sucked, but you were comparing it sucking to all ZP weapons which isn't what ZP weapons are about.
Lastly, there's more opportunity to earn gp and stuff than it was over a year ago and before then. You got missions and you got Hero Mode, which are two great sources for gp.
Doing missions allows you to get a things like Armor and other zp items for free just by getting that 500 gp a day. Along with a chance to win a zp crate weapon from dogtags. There's quite a bit.
I hardly even use ZP weapons personally. Almost all my bag guns are GP and still beat those who use ZP weapons. Its less about the weapons used and more about how you play.
If you want to know why I think the ACR is a zp temp is because it has considerable stability staying still or even on the move. Its spray might not be tight, but its easy to control with its accuracy.
I've yet to test its power even, so that could even add to it.
Also note, the M4 Custom originally had the 35bullet clip int he beginning, but I believe it was nerfed to the 30/90. then was reverted back to the 35 again.
As for weapon skins, those are a bit off topic and sort of unrelated at this point. Such issues usually do get updated or fixed at some point. There used to be weapons with wronged textures far longer than those.
Regardless, there will be more guns in the future to choose from for your gp. A patch a month doesn't always guarantee such coming often, so just sit back and wait.
*Huffs.*
so your saying there is a possibility a gp acr in the future correct? All i want to know is that it gets fixed sometime in the future to be available for gp players. and about the skin changes....may be unrelated but havent we had the same m4 skin for a while now. -
DerpToDaMAX wrote: »I can say that you wouldn't buy it just for the fact that you continually, slam it because it doesn't match up to some of the upper tier guns, the amount of posts you nit pick it, screams out to me as, "I won't be buying this gun, because in my eye's it isn't worth the cost, nor does it match up to the guns, I compare it to, thus making it pure garbage."
There are other ZP guns that aren't worth buying for real life cash on...
Ohh and there's a Chinese website for their CF version, were you can ask questions, smartass.
oh ok... mabye you could post a link. so....will i need google translate?
And you really need to learn to read. I definitely stated that i would not spend REAL MONEY on it. not gp. seeing as i have the winchester scope, i would defnitely consider using an acr. but i certainly wouldnt spend real money to buy something temporary that doesnt even give you a boost of any sort. -
so your saying there is a possibility a gp acr in the future correct? All i want to know is that it gets fixed sometime in the future to be available for gp players. and about the skin changes....may be unrelated but havent we had the same m4 skin for a while now.
I'm not saying there will be, but I'm not saying there won't be either. It's entirely up to what the higher ups decide.
Z8Games just hosts it, they aren't the ones that can change everything on a whim. They have rules as a provider. So until they decide, its as is currently and it will have to be dealt with. Besides, its just the new gun this patch, next it will be a different one people will gawk over. -
I found out why the ACR is a zp crate.
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=179350
faster rate of fire than the m4a1 series (aside from the custom crystal)
faster reload time than the m4a1 series (aside from the m4a1-spring)
it does about the same damage as the m4 series
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