Getting Down To The Issues
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The lack of involvement of z8games on part of the competitive community isn't helpful in general. The clan server is too limited with it's options, and the ping ranges are too wide. A server that was situated in the center of America wouldn't hurt, as it'd provide the most optimal pings. The east server isn't even American, east US players usually don't have below 40 ping.
Thats because of your isp most likely, something about new york and east of it makes it add unesscary hops. -
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A chance to play good non hack players is enough to interest real gamers. Yes it's sad that many who try are not as good as they think they are. The bad attitude of players is based on the age of gamers. There are still many adult gamers in cross fire. The trick to get them to play in a competitive setting is convincing them it will be better and different than playing in public Cross fire rooms. Show me a clean competition and I'll bring 40 adult serious gamers who will come to play. No QQ, No profanity, No excuses!!!
The current situation in the public server is driving away real gamers. The need for good well run competitive game play is urgent. Get it right and you'll have your players. -
I have a pretty general question for any "competitive" player, who has actually WATCHED a demo(replay) & I don't mean turned it on and watched yourself in the match or scrim you just got a 5k in, I mean watched your teammates, look how they play & try to understand them, look how the other team plays, why your team didn't win this round, why did your team win the next round?
I used to do it all the time, I spent lots of time creating ideas and tactics however since they were never executed properly (not that they were difficult, simply people didn't listen) I stopped trying and quit the game. I think a lot of people have the same mentality, I know that in all of the semi-final and final matches I have been in people failed to remember the majority of the strategies called (even though I had explained it multiple times and we had run through them). In fact in every finals/semi-finals match my "team" has been in the majority did not want to use our pre-made strategies (ironically we also got rolled in every finals and semi-finals match, go figure).
tldr no reason to spend time watch replays if people just want to run around and try to get as many kills as possible
Also, nearly every league/tournament for CF has been plagued by corruption at least from when I started playing this game (which is much shorter then some players).
@ Tae: SNSD has also failed to ever get to finals, in CF you can't really be a top team if you can't even make it that far considering the limited pool of remotely decent teams. -
So again it really comes down to the mentality of the players, but in order to get players with solid mentalities and attitudes who won't rq after they lose a scrim we need something that can attract them. We kinda had it with wcg but that fell through due to the lack of a anti cheat in qualifiers. Pubstars to be honest are what we need to try to attract, we have a bountiful supply of north American pubbers let's actually try and build our own community for once. I mean it isn't going to become amazing or anything, and the teams aren't going to be that great, but let's try getting north Americans who haven't really been competitive to give it a go. The larger our competitive community is the better chance leagues have of making money therefore the larger chance that they will actually put money and effort in which leads to more and better players coming. It's a domino effect, but it needs to start with the first dominoes knocking the next few down.
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I agree with muffin.
The competitive community complains about the how small the community is, but they dont realize there are plenty of players who if given the chance might look at this game as something more than a hobby to dump money into.
People will not try to be competitive when they are constantly reminded they suck and are noob pubstars.
Its a change of mindset for both the pub players and the competitive players so be friendly with each other. -
Ok, I dont understand why everyone is bashing on the community so hard.
The community doesn't make the game the game makes the community. If the game gets the right support from the mods and gms and they try to get the competitive community on the next level, eventually the community will grow and will attract new sorts of people that will try to reach a higher goal of competitiveness/maturity/ motivation. My point is were here to react to the game and league's there are were not here to be a happy family and try to do everything we can to make this game a success 90 % of the people in this game are passive are react to opportunities the game brings. The game only supports pubstar's because the get them money, if they want to make this competitive community a success they need to promote it in the game ( for example i think i read this in this thread already make a channel no exp no gp and WOGL/ESL rules ) promote this channel in the game and on the site , get the average person interested in the competitive community cause most pubstars don't know that there is a competitive community. Look at SF for example the game is far from good but they get support from the GM's and therefor the competitive community is better then this game. So Z8Games should brainstorm and think of of a system how they can promote the competitive community and get money of us at the same time.
TL DR; The Community doesn't make the game the game makes the community. -
And now I see why work hired you. You're an idiot. While a good bit of that was true the game does not make the community. No the game isn't built for competitive play, no the tournaments can really make their own rulesets and timers. But we could make do with what we do have and try to make it better. We dont, why would a company throw money into making the game competitive when Only a fraction play competitive? Hence my previous point, the community can make the game. If we got the na pubstars to come play, if we stopped bashing the brs and tried to get the English speaking ones to play the competitive community while still not the majority would be enough of a number crunch to make it worth the debs trouble to actually work with us. We can make this game better by working at it, not complaining about it.
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You came up with so many valid points as for a pubstar I'm still quite shocked[?] and most likely going to respond to it when I wake up. Right now for me it's 5 mins past midnight and I'm slowly going towards my lovely, warm bed.I said something right for once? Woohoo! -
And now I see why work hired you. You're an idiot. While a good bit of that was true the game does not make the community. No the game isn't built for competitive play, no the tournaments can really make their own rulesets and timers. But we could make do with what we do have and try to make it better. We dont, why would a company throw money into making the game competitive when Only a fraction play competitive? Hence my previous point, the community can make the game. If we got the na pubstars to come play, if we stopped bashing the brs and tried to get the English speaking ones to play the competitive community while still not the majority would be enough of a number crunch to make it worth the debs trouble to actually work with us. We can make this game better by working at it, not complaining about it.
how are you suppose to attract people if we have nothing to offer.. I'm not saying that we should just lay back and do nothing. hell if you would have known me a bit better you would know I was probably one of the most active people to support the europe community. But the game as it is now is jut not build to be competitive ? It works both ways players can help and improve other players and make the community better but the company can also help to make players into playing competitively. Idiot. -
how are you suppose to attract people if we have nothing to offer.. I'm not saying that we should just lay back and do nothing. hell if you would have known me a bit better you would know I was probably one of the most active people to support the europe community. But the game as it is now is jut not build to be competitive ? It works both ways players can help and improve other players and make the community better but the company can also help to make players into playing competitively. Idiot.
Lets have a look back, "the community doesn't make the game, the game makes the community"
Now what we have here is a black and white statement in which you clearly said the community doesn't make the game, I agreed with this to a certain extent, but the game can't make the community without the community making the game.
You had a black and white statement with no underlying meanings. I will repeat it, the game isn't going to help this community unless this community becomes enough of a portion of the total game population that they could turn a reasonable profit and listen to us. -
how are you suppose to attract people if we have nothing to offer.
Oh, you're TOTALLY right, not like the best time for competitive play in CF was BEFORE everything but the week-long IGL and the ESL tournament.
TOTALLY.
Not really, gtfo. -
Suggestion, beg esea to drop tf2 and put cf in its place.
Sorry, but that's not how it works. Although it sounds pleasing, a league alone can't make an incompetent community competent.
ESEA became successful because it's impeccable anti-cheat that integrates itself into Source, and the fact that the service was started at the right place and at the right time. Nothing can integrate with Crossfire, deeming ESEA useless. At a managing point of view, ESEA is miles ahead of any league this game has ever seen, but ESEA picking up Crossfire will hardly change anything. Putting that aside, competitive e-Sports on the computer is declining. -
1g_tastylime wrote: »Although it sounds pleasing, a league alone can't make an incompetent community competent.
Very true. Agreed 100%.
Hypothetically, couldn't a league attract more competent players? Thus in essence creating a somewhat different community where there was once incompetent players, and now more competent players? -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Very true. Agreed 100%.
Hypothetically, couldn't a league attract more competent players? Thus in essence creating a somewhat different community where there was once incompetent players, and now more competent players?
It could. But to get people to come over would be extremely hard.
I've heard several people on ESEA chat about this game and WCG.. They know its a joke, and literally make fun of the game.
I don't wanna say it, but this game is doomed, and as Tasty said, e-sports on the comp, especially in america, is dying. -
[MOD]Iceman wrote: »Muffin gets it. That's pretty good angle of what happens.
Hi ice. You know if a responsible person decided to put something together myself and the gang would all be on board. It makes a while we have all been interested in stepping up our game play. not just our clan but all the clan leaders from the real gamer clans that stick together. That makes up about 1000 legit adult players. You know where to find us. Just give the word. -
brutalambush wrote: »Hi ice. You know if a responsible person decided to put something together myself and the gang would all be on board. It makes a while we have all been interested in stepping up our game play. not just our clan but all the clan leaders from the real gamer clans that stick together. That makes up about 1000 legit adult players. You know where to find us. Just give the word.
you mean pubstars wanting to start playing competitively? -
you mean pubstars wanting to start playing competitively?
Not necessarily a bad thing. If they have the want to become competitive, that's completely fine. Not everyone begins out being completely 100% competitive. They might also be looking for the same thing in a stable organization with a good anti-cheat before "stepping up to the plate". -
supahotslaya wrote: »What decent players?
the ones you know would be drb and myself.
the ones you don't know ( who were really great but quit after only a month or two)
zane (crow)
jay ( ganman)
so not alot but they would be better then any player now. -
If you need a parent to pat you on the back so you can get ahead in life your going nowhere.
Play crossfire because you enjoy the game.
Compete because you enjoy competition.
Win because your a competitor.
How do you win?
-self motivation
-dedication
-strong work ethic
I dont know why this hasn't hit home for some of you yet but you need to actually practice individually and as a team. You need to set goals for yourself and your team. Look at a player you think is better then you and don't stop untill you can beat them. **** takes time, deal with it. Don't download cheats, it gets you nowhere in a f2p game.
Enjoy the video you game you play or don't play it.
You dont need a large cash prize or any incentives to do something you enjoy doing.
If your hungry and your belly is rumbling your going to get food.
It's no different then playing a game you enjoy playing.
There are 2 very simple reasons why this community is jacked up.
1. the generation of kids that play this game are simply fking lazy.
they play victim and feel entitled to something in a world where nothing is owed to them.
2. any adult or teenager with a brain that actually cares about the community keeps there creativity to themselves OR wastes time bit ching on forums. If you actually care to improve the competitive community share your thoughts with z8games. They will gladly put time into the game to improve it, if the right ideas are presented.
if you have ideas like making a channel in game for competitive players then do it. most adults aren't reading forums, they don't know about echo 8. Most people that play crossfire dont know e-sports even exists. If z8games made a snd tourny a ton of teams would sign up, way befor any team in echo 8 signed up.
This game is far from dying. For a f2p fps game your not going to find much better.
Some players just need better direction.
Maybe all teams in echo-8 should move back to Clan server where z8games has made a platform to encourage competitive gameplay and if the clan server is so broken your ideas should be presented to z8games so that they can improve there game and clan channel rather than the "good players" creating there own.
There is a rediculous amount of people that play NA crossfire and almost every person that is playing the game has the same objectives. Spawn/shoot/kill/win. Why do most people who continue to play the game join a clan? So they can do the exact same thing with a Better team and some people they can call a friend. Almost everyone in this game wants to compete. Every race and every culture cries Hack which means everyone wants to compete/play/win when the game is fair. some BRs have taken fair to a hole other level where they enjoy 8v8 games and everyone in-game has downloaded hacks. some NAs have taken fair to a hole other level where they enjoy 5v5 scrims, no boosting, no skinny biches, no guns cept m4/ak/awm, no trash talking, no smurfing, no ghosting and whatever other rule they can add to justify why they lose scrims.
My point is everyone wants to compete and everyone wants to compete differently, Who's to say who's rules are more superior or simply more fun? z8games has given too few options to how people can play there video game.
If you changed the name of the channel Alpha into ghost mode channel and only allowed ghost mode maps to be play in alpha 1-9 people could better locate what they are looking for.
If you changed the name of Foxtrot into Elite crossfire players only and had a warning msg pop up everytime someone under the rank of a captain tried to get into the channel then maybe you would see alot better players come together in one area. YES KDR AND RANK means everything if it isn't farmed.
Maybe there should be a channel for people who can only keep 2.0 kdrs.
Maybe another one for people who can keep 3.0 kdrs.
gaurantee anyone who farms there account wouldn't want to play there including those players who farm off people who lag.
Maybe there should also be channels where certain ping limits or ips are not able to acces those channels. I've seen that done in the online fps game blackshot.garena.
The online fps games A.V.A has like 2 public channels but more " competitive " teams then crossfire. That makes sense right? a community of 200 players compared to a community of thousands.
Anyways I'll stop - point is z8games could use some better ideas on how to improve this games competition for all walks of life and anyone with ideas needs to present them to someone who gives a shi.t and that would be the people trying to make money off crossfire -
one last thing;
The only thing echo 8 was made up of was a majority of a community not willing to pay to win for a game that is free to play, then complain to z8 about a service that they pay nothing for. If you adopted the fact that the game is set up that if you paid money, the majority of the time you would win and there is actually nothing wrong with that. The company needs money to survive/grow and if the "competitive" community actually invested money into the adopted competitive culture that comes from other crossfire versions / ghost recon / counter strike, then i am quite sure we would see major improvements.
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