Getting Down To The Issues

TheJDog wrote: »

I agree wit taeyeoN about the lack of fps experience..

I mean almost every member of Optimum (except 1 or 2) has never played anything other than CF with a piece of sh1t pcs in alpha server pubs.

It's our first time even touching anything competitive...

ItZfoReaL wrote: »

Coming from a player who has no previous competitive experience in this game or any others it seems to me that the "competitive" community is rather hard on new teams and new players. New teams get trashed so much by the more established teams with more experienced players who just like to make themselves feel good by stomping on new teams.

Its disheartening for new teams to see how much they have to work on and after a humiliating defeat they dont want to put in the time to get better.

taeyeoNNNNNN wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being hard on new teams. I'm pretty sure military officers don't reward you with gummy bears everytime you do a good job. Criticism brings players to their maximum potential.

taeyeoNNNNNN wrote: »

Examples come naturally.


Nothing wrong with being hard on new teams. I'm pretty sure military officers don't reward you with gummy bears everytime you do a good job. Criticism brings players to their maximum potential.

F1ann wrote: »

I have a pretty general question for any "competitive" player, who has actually WATCHED a demo(replay) & I don't mean turned it on and watched yourself in the match or scrim you just got a 5k in, I mean watched your teammates, look how they play & try to understand them, look how the other team plays, why your team didn't win this round, why did your team win the next round?

TheJDog wrote: »

Well there is a difference. The military is the military.

This is a video game.

Denxi wrote: »

The military employs that technique in order to reduce your self worth to 0. That way you have no emotional issues in doing your job.

Regardless, you can't just walk away from the military once you've signed up.

YGRN wrote: »

Did you just compare real life military techniques to actions regarding new teams in a game?
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2Pac_Back wrote: »

lololololololololololol

[MOD]Polleus wrote: »

I've been seeing this a lot lately, considering now that ESL is anything but certain and WOGL is again the only organization in CF offering what one might consider competitive events. A lot of you claim to want competitive action but are you all really serious about that or do you just want something to do to take up your spare time? It seems that almost every season of WOGL and the first season of ESL there is always a problem where teams simply don't take the competition seriously. I understand that there are inherent problems with the Leagues that we won't discuss here, but let's look past that for now. I'm directly addressing the attitudes of you as players and as teams wanting "competition".

Let's take all the details out of it. Let's say a group comes in with a great anti-cheat and a great system. How would your attitudes be? Would they change? Would you actually take things somewhat seriously or would the competition still be a "something to take up my time" situation? All other things aside, everyone season of WOGL or ESL, it never fails that at least 50% of the teams simply don't take anything seriously. Their team, their actions, their games, none of it. I find it hard to believe that would change overnight because of a new organization. That attitude hasn't changed in 3 seasons of competition.

Everyone blames the Leagues for the bad quality of competition in Cross Fire. Shouldn't the blame at least be first directed at the players and their attitudes? You can't have competition without the players. You can't have players without legitimate interest in competition. So, can these attitudes change or will we always have a "whatever" attitude? Even if a legitimate organization were to come in to Cross Fire, would that change your attitude about the game? Your interest in the game? I have doubts that even if a group were to come in here, the same problems would arise even with a great anti-cheat and a great group to run it. Even a great organization can't hope to succeed when the players don't care about what they're doing.

Thoughts? Comments? Discussion? Constructive arguments?

This thread will be moderated closely as it is a delicate subject and will be needing the extra moderation. Please keep your comments constructive, even if being argumentative. Let's try and get a good discussion going to start off the week.

deLPKnee wrote: »

Whether it's a free game or not, it doesn't matter. What you said happens in every single game which has at least a shadow of competitive scene. Problem is that cheaters are treated in a horrible way here. You see people like SuKo and different ex-cheaters still playing this game like they didn't do anything, some people even suck up to them. Correct me if I'm wrong SuKo?

taeyeoNNNNNN wrote: »

Reasons why the competition in this game is dead.

1. People think they are good when they are not.
2. People gets really nervous ranging from scrims to tournaments.
3. Lack of fps experience for players, making every strat the same for almost every team.
4. It's a free game, there is bound to be cheaters who try to get competitive.
5. This game gives players with low ping a much higher advantage.
6. Sometimes mods are too strict on trash talk. I say trash talk should be allowed, along with profanity but must be kept at a limit. No need to lock threads just because some losers talk shyt without being able to back their shyt up. This can't happen though because of the average age of this game.
7. Racism. Brazilians are actually really professional gamers in the e-sport world but too many people categorize them with the cheaters they see regularly. When I go to d9, I sometimes see players who have higher ping than slaya but are much better than him.

There are also some people who hates playing with "ch1nks". Get off your racist ass and get good.
8. Quit fuhking complaining. Some of you trash have like a stick up your ass. Quit crying about boosting/trying hard. Boosting isn't wrong AT ALL, learn to check corners with your team. Stop calling people tryhards when you are probably trying too. There's no way you can get good without trying.

taeyeoNNNNNN wrote: »

Reasons why the competition in this game is dead.

1. People think they are good when they are not.
2. People gets really nervous ranging from scrims to tournaments.
3. Lack of fps experience for players, making every strat the same for almost every team.
4. It's a free game, there is bound to be cheaters who try to get competitive.
5. This game gives players with low ping a much higher advantage.
6. Sometimes mods are too strict on trash talk. I say trash talk should be allowed, along with profanity but must be kept at a limit. No need to lock threads just because some losers talk shyt without being able to back their shyt up. This can't happen though because of the average age of this game.
7. Racism. Brazilians are actually really professional gamers in the e-sport world but too many people categorize them with the cheaters they see regularly. When I go to d9, I sometimes see players who have higher ping than slaya but are much better than him.

There are also some people who hates playing with "ch1nks". Get off your racist ass and get good.
8. Quit fuhking complaining. Some of you trash have like a stick up your ass. Quit crying about boosting/trying hard. Boosting isn't wrong AT ALL, learn to check corners with your team. Stop calling people tryhards when you are probably trying too. There's no way you can get good without trying.