Please Un-nerf the Kriss
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Yeah, so you're basically asking for it to be a sprayable 1hko. No. And you having the Kriss ... Well, this was overboard. I'm sorry to say this, but I regret having gave any respect to you. Have a nice day, goodbye.
Lol what? So I lose respect because I want the kriss to be unnerfed? WEll then good day to you sir.
Cant believe people even value people on their opinions on virtual guns in a virtual setting. Pretty ridiculous.
I mean really? REALLY? This is the equivalent to peopel complaining about the m12. Like yeah I complain about it, but I dont want it to go. For some players, thats what makes them have fun! So why take that from them? Why?
And really... This is a game. In the end, its all fun and games.A skilled enough player can aim for the head 70% of his shots. If you suck at aiming, get help. Also, I wasn't talking to you, so wipe your own ass and EAT LEAD.
Dude. Im a noob ok? I could care less if Im good or not. I play for fun and If Im going to pay for this game, I want to have fun by winning. If winning means using cheap guns (lol Oxymoron considering you pay for it in a free game), then SO BE IT. This game shouldnt be conformed to competitive gameplay. -
The problem is, that using those overpowered guns is akin to cheating. And there is no point into playing a game if you want to cheat. Thus, saying that you want to play to have fun is hypocrite, and THIS is why you lose respect, because hypocrisy is a bad thingRawrJafrikan wrote: »Lol what? So I lose respect because I want the kriss to be unnerfed? WEll then good day to you sir.
Cant believe people even value people on their opinions on virtual guns in a virtual setting. Pretty ridiculous.
I mean really? REALLY? This is the equivalent to peopel complaining about the m12. Like yeah I complain about it, but I dont want it to go. For some players, thats what makes them have fun! So why take that from them? Why?
And really... This is a game. In the end, its all fun and games.
Dude. Im a noob ok? I could care less if Im good or not. I play for fun and If Im going to pay for this game, I want to have fun by winning. If winning means using cheap guns (lol Oxymoron considering you pay for it in a free game), then SO BE IT. This game shouldnt be conformed to competitive gameplay.
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The problem is, that using those overpowered guns is akin to cheating. And there is no point into playing a game if you want to cheat. Thus, saying that you want to play to have fun is hypocrite, and THIS is why you lose respect, because hypocrisy is a bad thing ...
How Am I being a Hypocrite?
That and the whole discussion is about the topic of the (how do you say this) Un OP fail of the kriss. The whole discussion is to make the gun somewhat usable.
Im not following your logic here. These are the contentions right?
1. OP guns+ gameplay = Hacks
2. No point in playing game if you want to cheat.
conclusion= Want to play for fun is hypocritical?
Wait what?
Ok but seriosly... Get the kriss and use it. Its not even close to OP. Its much and I mean MUCH weaker than the m12, and probably really close to the mp5 as far as using it goes.
That makes me lose respect? BTW, Hypocrisy is based off actions. Unless Im saying that playing with these guns are unacceptable, and then turning around and using these guns, Im not being a hypocrite. -
See I understand where your coming from. But you have to understand OUR frustrations.
Yes, its by far one of the best on the run weapons to use, BUT its very much NOT OP.
Its not one hs kill from close range. Like does not not entail its fail? Look, lets say I spray you from a distance and by chance i hit you in the head once but miss every other shot.
Being the pro that many people are, or the average player using a m4 or ak will be able to shoot those 3 bullets needed in that fire fight and WIN. -
Playing for fun =/= Cheating. Using OP guns = Cheating. So you're being hypocrite when you say that you want to play for fun, and yet you cheat with the Kriss. Now, you said yourself, you're bad at this game. You probably don't even realise how OP the Kriss is. And no thanks, I won't get the Kriss. I have ZP to waste on something that is not actually cheating.RawrJafrikan wrote: »How Am I being a Hypocrite?
That and the whole discussion is about the topic of the (how do you say this) Un OP fail of the kriss. The whole discussion is to make the gun somewhat usable.
Im not following your logic here. These are the contentions right?
1. OP guns+ gameplay = Hacks
2. No point in playing game if you want to cheat.
conclusion= Want to play for fun is hypocritical?
Wait what?
Ok but seriosly... Get the kriss and use it. Its not even close to OP. Its much and I mean MUCH weaker than the m12, and probably really close to the mp5 as far as using it goes.
That makes me lose respect? BTW, Hypocrisy is based off actions. Unless Im saying that playing with these guns are unacceptable, and then turning around and using these guns, Im not being a hypocrite.
And yes, OP guns are akin to hacking, since Hacking = Cheating and OP guns = Cheating.
You forget Krisses larger clip, higher mobility, quick reload and higher ROF. Make the Kriss as heavy as an SG 552 and give it a 25 ammo per clip and give it Steyr AUG A1's reload time. THAN we can talk about buffing it's power. -
Playing for fun =/= Cheating. Using OP guns = Cheating. So you're being hypocrite when you say that you want to play for fun, and yet you cheat with the Kriss. Now, you said yourself, you're bad at this game. You probably don't even realise how OP the Kriss is. And no thanks, I won't get the Kriss. I have ZP to waste on something that is not actually cheating.
And yes, OP guns are akin to hacking, since Hacking = Cheating and OP guns = Cheating.
Your logic is so messed up though! Your argument only holds if you believe that using these supposed OP guns are cheating.
I rarely play with the kriss for this reason: Not being able to get kills in the head, and everyone rushing after me to get the Halloween Kriss. -
The question is, in what instances are you putting the effectiveness of the Kriss at? In my opinion its really only OP at SnD and TD. Modes like GM, Escape and even Hero/Mutation Mode make it a sub par weapon especially in the case against the m12.
Unlike the m12, it loses damage over distance making it ineffective at long range, like an smg is supposed to. It also loses the war against many weapons in terms of ROF. Being able to only overpower slower shooting guns like the scar heavy, type 89 and k2. -
This is why Kriss is the least overpowered of the cheatguns. None the less, it still is overpowered. Besides, shall I remind you that TD and SnD are the most played modes in CrossFire?...[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »The question is, in what instances are you putting the effectiveness of the Kriss at? In my opinion its really only OP at SnD and TD. Modes like GM, Escape and even Hero/Mutation Mode make it a sub par weapon especially in the case against the m12.
Unlike the m12, it loses damage over distance making it ineffective at long range, like an smg is supposed to. It also loses the war against many weapons in terms of ROF. Being able to only overpower slower shooting guns like the scar heavy, type 89 and k2.
@ Jafrikan > Well, read a couple of statements above. I've allready pointed out why it effectively IS cheating to use those weapons. -
This is why Kriss is the least overpowered of the cheatguns. None the less, it still is overpowered. Besides, shall I remind you that TD and SnD are the most played modes in CrossFire?...
How do you rate whats a cheater gun though? Is the awm and dsr one for their one hit capabilities at any range? The desperados? Deagle?
Most guns are in a per instance part of the game with their strengths and weaknesses, if a gun doesn't have a weakness it then is what I call OP in that sense.
Just wondering where the Kriss falls in that category even before it was nerfed. -
What I consider a cheatgun is a combination of too much advantages with little or no disadvantages at all. In Kriss's case, the only real disadvantage is distance power. Orher than this, I consider OP automatic weapons wich do not need any recoil management knowledge to master them, wich is exactly the Kriss's case.[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »How do you rate whats a cheater gun though? Is the awm and dsr one for their one hit capabilities at any range? The desperados? Deagle?
Most guns are in a per instance part of the game with their strengths and weaknesses, if a gun doesn't have a weakness it then is what I call OP in that sense.
Just wondering where the Kriss falls in that category even before it was nerfed. -
I think that...the M12 should lose power over long distance by alot.
That the Kriss should be un-nerfed because it really is a no recoil gun in real life (most cases, CF actually got something right for once.)
And that neowiz should recognize CF international as such and give every supposed non-english country a license. -
What I consider a cheatgun is a combination of too much advantages with little or no disadvantages at all. In Kriss's case, the only real disadvantage is distance power. Orher than this, I consider OP automatic weapons wich do not need any recoil management knowledge to master them, wich is exactly the Kriss's case.
Perhaps in that last case I can agree with, but what about the ZP over GP notability? The Kriss is quite notably sub par compared to its ZP brethren no? The Kriss may not require much recoil mastery, but overall the guns excel at long range or have other bonuses that match it. The MP5 with its 100 wallbang ability, the advantage having the ammo above it and still having the close ROF. The other guns just own the kriss at any range other than close. -
Now, now. I'm pretty much sure that somewhere in the forums we can find a post by Saidin wich says that in no way ZP are supposed to be the winning powerup above GP. ZP are a perk, not a buy-to-win tool, and as such stating that a ZP gun NEEDS to be OP isn't quite right in my oppinion.[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »Perhaps in that last case I can agree with, but what about the ZP over GP notability? The Kriss is quite notably sub par compared to its ZP brethren no? The Kriss may not require much recoil mastery, but overall the guns excel at long range or have other bonuses that match it. The MP5 with its 100 wallbang ability, the advantage having the ammo above it and still having the close ROF. The other guns just own the kriss at any range other than close.
Now, if Kriss was more balanced, it wouldn't be a problem of having it able to take down ennemies on middle range. For example, MP7 can pretty much be used up to middle range, without it being OP. If the Kriss statistics changed from an OP closeranger to a legit close/medium ranger, I would be only happy about it. -
Now, now. I'm pretty much sure that somewhere in the forums we can find a post by Saidin wich says that in no way ZP are supposed to be the winning powerup above GP. ZP are a perk, not a buy-to-win tool, and as such stating that a ZP gun NEEDS to be OP isn't quite right in my oppinion.
Now, if Kriss was more balanced, it wouldn't be a problem of having it able to take down ennemies on middle range. For example, MP7 can pretty much be used up to middle range, without it being OP. If the Kriss statistics changed from an OP closeranger to a legit close/medium ranger, I would be only happy about it.
Yes but even if you assume the kriss isn't even a zp weapon, let's call it a GP weapon.
Hell, let's forget all the crate/zp/gp crap.
Let's just compare it as a GUN.
Mp5 = 100% wallbang. Kriss? no
M12s = no recoil + rifle damage + insane firing rate. Kriss? definitely not....except last one. -
You forget Krisses larger clip, higher mobility, quick reload and higher ROF.
Incase you have forgotten, the m12 has a larger clip than the Kriss and does more damage even over range, yet you aren't calling that a cheat gun. Incase you have forgotten the M4 is highly accurate and the recoil is very easily controlled but i don't see you saying it's a cheat gun. The XM8, QBZ and Tar21 are all so very easy to get kills with(even more so than the Kriss) yet i don't see you saying they are cheat guns.
If i didn't see that you have spent money on this game i would've considered you a spoiled freebie playing this game.
Summary- Until you have owned/used a Kriss, you have no right to say anything about it IMO since you are only going by conjecture and you need to gtfo threads like this because you have no experience with the wep and therefore have no valid points to add to this discussion. -
i have a kriss, and i tell you, i didn't get it for td, snd, elim, or any other matches, the point is, the kriss is the best non silenced gun in ghost mode IMO. an mp5 or other GP smg might have the advantage against one ghost, over distance. but when 6 ghosts swarm you, there is no other gun i would rather have, apart from RPK which is unusable for other reasons. the combo of good ammo duration, good ROF, THE BEST DAMAGE PER SECOND rate of any continuous spray gun, with consideration to accuracy. make the kriss boss in ghost mode. they could double the power, and i still wouldn't choose it for a TD or other match. i like the kriss exactly where it is. if they increase power they will increase recoil, which is why i like it.
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MonsterSquad wrote: »Incase you have forgotten, the m12 has a larger clip than the Kriss and does more damage even over range, yet you aren't calling that a cheat gun. Incase you have forgotten the M4 is highly accurate and the recoil is very easily controlled but i don't see you saying it's a cheat gun. The XM8, QBZ and Tar21 are all so very easy to get kills with(even more so than the Kriss) yet i don't see you saying they are cheat guns.
If i didn't see that you have spent money on this game i would've considered you a spoiled freebie playing this game.
Summary- Until you have owned/used a Kriss, you have no right to say anything about it IMO since you are only going by conjecture and you need to gtfo threads like this because you have no experience with the wep and therefore have no valid points to add to this discussion.
This.
I cant believe that I dont deserve respect because I spent money and use a gun that I won. What bullcrap. Really.
Well considering Emotive's stance, he probably thinks that every other person in Alpha uses hacks ontop of already hacking by using "cheat" guns.
Like they say, "You cant convert a Convert". -
Yes but even if you assume the kriss isn't even a zp weapon, let's call it a GP weapon.
Hell, let's forget all the crate/zp/gp crap.
Let's just compare it as a GUN.
Mp5 = 100% wallbang. Kriss? no
M12s = no recoil + rifle damage + insane firing rate. Kriss? definitely not....except last one.
I do consider M12 as a cheat gun worse than Kriss. Go spam MP5 like you spam Kriss, comeback to me and report on how you manage that. 'K thx bai.MonsterSquad wrote: »Incase you have forgotten, the m12 has a larger clip than the Kriss and does more damage even over range, yet you aren't calling that a cheat gun. Incase you have forgotten the M4 is highly accurate and the recoil is very easily controlled but i don't see you saying it's a cheat gun. The XM8, QBZ and Tar21 are all so very easy to get kills with(even more so than the Kriss) yet i don't see you saying they are cheat guns.
If i didn't see that you have spent money on this game i would've considered you a spoiled freebie playing this game.
Summary- Until you have owned/used a Kriss, you have no right to say anything about it IMO since you are only going by conjecture and you need to gtfo threads like this because you have no experience with the wep and therefore have no valid points to add to this discussion.
M12 is a cheat gun worse than Kriss. XM8, QBZ and Tar21 all have recoil. Kriss doesn't. I used an account with a Kriss on it and I could've figure out it's a noobgun. Last but not least, no one talked to you, so you might want to shut your trap. You're no one and nothing. Kill yourself.i have a kriss, and i tell you, i didn't get it for td, snd, elim, or any other matches, the point is, the kriss is the best non silenced gun in ghost mode IMO. an mp5 or other GP smg might have the advantage against one ghost, over distance. but when 6 ghosts swarm you, there is no other gun i would rather have, apart from RPK which is unusable for other reasons. the combo of good ammo duration, good ROF, THE BEST DAMAGE PER SECOND rate of any continuous spray gun, with consideration to accuracy. make the kriss boss in ghost mode. they could double the power, and i still wouldn't choose it for a TD or other match. i like the kriss exactly where it is. if they increase power they will increase recoil, which is why i like it.
This. He just confirmed what I said. Kriss = Spam the spray without any need to aim.RawrJafrikan wrote: »This.
I cant believe that I dont deserve respect because I spent money and use a gun that I won. What bullcrap. Really.
Well considering Emotive's stance, he probably thinks that every other person in Alpha uses hacks ontop of already hacking by using "cheat" guns.
You don't desirve respect because you cheat. I mean it. -
I do consider M12 as a cheat gun worse than Kriss. Go spam MP5 like you spam Kriss, comeback to me and report on how you manage that. 'K thx bai.
M12 is a cheat gun worse than Kriss. XM8, QBZ and Tar21 all have recoil. Kriss doesn't. I used an account with a Kriss on it and I could've figure out it's a noobgun. Last but not least, no one talked to you, so you might want to shut your trap. You're no one and nothing. Kill yourself.
This. He just confirmed what I said. Kriss = Spam the spray without any need to aim.
You don't desirve respect because you cheat. I mean it.
Took a break from here for a bit, but might as well point out another case and point in another direction. You noted that what makes the Kriss a cheat weapon is its OP close combat prowess correct? What about shotguns in that regard? The kings of CQC. They can just 1 shot you, despy's especially. Shotties are just point and click. Recoil was never an issue due to their spread and damage ratio. In a 1v1 situation its likely it'd be around even to who would win, a shotty or a Kriss in CQC. -
I'll answer to it very easily. Let's have a CQC match on Egypt. You use a Spas 12, your opponent uses a Kriss. You'll understand pretty quick.[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »Took a break from here for a bit, but might as well point out another case and point in another direction. You noted that what makes the Kriss a cheat weapon is its OP close combat prowess correct? What about shotguns in that regard? The kings of CQC. They can just 1 shot you, despy's especially. Shotties are just point and click. Recoil was never an issue due to their spread and damage ratio. In a 1v1 situation its likely it'd be around even to who would win, a shotty or a Kriss in CQC.
The Kriss does have the ability to be used up to medium range, the shotgun doesn't. The Kriss can be spray spammed, a shotgun can't. You will kill your ennemy even if you miss, with a shotgun you won't. You need to aim with a shotgun to be effective, with Kriss you don't. Shotguns reload slowly, Kriss doesn't. There's so much more to it ... -
I do consider M12 as a cheat gun worse than Kriss. Go spam MP5 like you spam Kriss, comeback to me and report on how you manage that. 'K thx bai.
You mad brah? He can use Use Whateva he Likes! Just as you can use Whateva you like!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQJACVmankYM12 is a cheat gun worse than Kriss. XM8, QBZ and Tar21 all have recoil. Kriss doesn't. I used an account with a Kriss on it and I could've figure out it's a noobgun. Last but not least, no one talked to you, so you might want to shut your trap. You're no one and nothing. Kill yourself.
Yes it does. It has some recoil so keep hating.
@Color= LOLOLOLOL UMadbrah?This. He just confirmed what I said. Kriss = Spam the spray without any need to aim.
So is every gun herp. Spray and hope for the best, sometimes you get kills, sometimes you dont. Its a gun.You don't desirve respect because you cheat. I mean it.
I do? How so? Because I use a weapon in a virtual game that I payed for?
Bro this is a game. The fact that you take it sooo seirosly is pretty hilarious. -
I'll answer to it very easily. Let's have a CQC match on Egypt. You use a Spas 12, your opponent uses a Kriss. You'll understand pretty quick.
The Kriss does have the ability to be used up to medium range, the shotgun doesn't. The Kriss can be spray spammed, a shotgun can't. You will kill your ennemy even if you miss, with a shotgun you won't. You need to aim with a shotgun to be effective, with Kriss you don't. Shotguns reload slowly, Kriss doesn't. There's so much more to it ...
Shotguns fail in this game anyway. They arnt even in the same league.
Once they implement the use of slugs, then lets do that. -
If he has the right to use whatever he likes, I have the right to kick him if I like and to insult him if I like.RawrJafrikan wrote: »You mad brah? He can use Use Whateva he Likes! Just as you can use Whateva you like!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQJACVmankY
Yes it does. It has some recoil so keep hating.
@Color= LOLOLOLOL UMadbrah?
So is every gun herp. Spray and hope for the best, sometimes you get kills, sometimes you dont. Its a gun.
I do? How so? Because I use a weapon in a virtual game that I payed for?
Bro this is a game. The fact that you take it sooo seirosly is pretty hilarious.
Nice LoLuMaD argument. You get even less respect now.
I don't spray, I aim. You might want to try it out from time to time.
You do cheat by using a gun wich bypasses the game's balance. And no, I don't take it as serious as you might think. I still can eat/work/take dumps even if you use a Kriss. But I remind you that we're on a gaming forum and we're talking about the game. It's normal to make serious contributions in the community in wich you are at this exact moment, unless you want to look dumb. -
I'll answer to it very easily. Let's have a CQC match on Egypt. You use a Spas 12, your opponent uses a Kriss. You'll understand pretty quick.
The Kriss does have the ability to be used up to medium range, the shotgun doesn't. The Kriss can be spray spammed, a shotgun can't. You will kill your ennemy even if you miss, with a shotgun you won't. You need to aim with a shotgun to be effective, with Kriss you don't. Shotguns reload slowly, Kriss doesn't. There's so much more to it ...
Well 1, spas 12 fails out of the shotguns, if it was going to be a 1v1, I'd use the XM1014 or the Dual Desperados. Shotguns can go up to roughly medium range, spray providing such. The XM1014 has a much tighter spray and allows for such, but for a shotgun there's as much aiming involved as there is with the Kriss, little or none. Because when you mention its medium range capabilities its once again failed that section. It can't excel against the true CQC weapons, it can't beat the medium range, and it bites at long range. Overall the Kriss is the jack of all trades, master of none weapon. -
A shotgun can't spray. Unless you are trying to tell me that the XM1014 have the same ROF as the Kriss. In this case, even if you're a mod, I would gently point you to the exit door.[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »Well 1, spas 12 fails out of the shotguns, if it was going to be a 1v1, I'd use the XM1014 or the Dual Desperados. Shotguns can go up to roughly medium range, spray providing such. The XM1014 has a much tighter spray and allows for such, but for a shotgun there's as much aiming involved as there is with the Kriss, little or none. Because when you mention its medium range capabilities its once again failed that section. It can't excel against the true CQC weapons, it can't beat the medium range, and it bites at long range. Overall the Kriss is the jack of all trades, master of none weapon. -
Not necessarily. Insulting repeatedly = Harrassment.If he has the right to use whatever he likes, I have the right to kick him if I like and to insult him if I like.
You make me lol all day. Dont you love it whne people resort to insults because some people are suggesting a view that they dont agree with?Nice LoLuMaD argument. You get even less respect now..
Kriss user: Yeah! Lets unnerf it!
Emotive: NO, YOU ARE ALL STUPID! RAGE!
Kriss user: But.. but... but...
Emotive: "Kill yourself"
OK BOSS. No wonder I fail so much. THANKS BOSS!!I don't spray, I aim. You might want to try it out from time to time..You do cheat by using a gun wich bypasses the game's balance. And no, I don't take it as serious as you might think. I still can eat/work/take dumps even if you use a Kriss. But I remind you that we're on a gaming forum and we're talking about the game. It's normal to make serious contributions in the community in wich you are at this exact moment, unless you want to look dumb.
Hey, All Im asking for is a 1 hit ko hs. Nothing more nothing less...
Calm yourself. -
A shotgun can spray. Unless you are trying to tell me that the XM1014 have the same ROF as the Kriss. In this case, even if you're a mod, I would gently point you to the exit door.
There we go. Its right.
Dude... it shoots buckshot. Arnt you in the military? It has a "spray". Herp -
RawrJafrikan wrote: »Not necessarily. Insulting repeatedly = Harrassment.
You make me lol all day. Dont you love it whne people resort to insults because some people are suggesting a view that they dont agree with?
Kriss user: Yeah! Lets unnerf it!
Emotive: NO, YOU ARE ALL STUPID! RAGE!
Kriss user: But.. but... but...
Emotive: "Kill yourself"
OK BOSS. No wonder I fail so much. THANKS BOSS!!
Hey, All Im asking for is a 1 hit ko hs. Nothing more nothing less...
Calm yourself.
Go ahead and report me than.
I'm not insulting you of a cheater, I'm saying the truth. There's a difference.
That actually made me LoL, although I still don't see how does that helps the argument.
No problem soldier. BTW, you're FIRED.
Hey, all I'm asking for is for you to stop asking...
Calm yourself.RawrJafrikan wrote: »There we go. Its right.
Dude... it shoots buckshot. Arnt you in the military? It has a "spray". Herp
When I say spray, I mean emptying the clip in a repeated shooting manner with high speed and/or high magasine. Thus, when I say you can't spray a shotgun, I mean that it has a rather low ROF and a small clip with a long reload wich is not the case of the Kriss. -
A shotgun can't spray. Unless you are trying to tell me that the XM1014 have the same ROF as the Kriss. In this case, even if you're a mod, I would gently point you to the exit door.
If we're going to note that shotguns shoot more than one bullet at a time with a single shot, one could reason in that regard its faster. I don't know any other weapons that shoot more than one bullet all at once.
But in definition, shotguns are spray weapons. All the projectiles fire in a wide spread rather than controlled accuracy. The crosshair means little to the user except for 'it shoots in this general direction'.
I could be wrong about this statistic, but the XM1014 could unload its 6 shots roughly containing 8 or so bullets in the same timeframe as the Kriss could unload its clip. However, in total the XM has an 18 bullet advantage even in that case.
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