when will we get a patch with a gun that asks skill?
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I have to say that u got it all wrong.I see what u aim at but there is game play that u can proove into.. I agree m12s, SL and guns like those r spray guns,but they aren't precise,and if u really have skills or guts to face 'em u might even reallize that they are easy to kill,and I can proove that,because I do play CF, I don't QQ about anyones gun or playing tactic...In end it all comes to this ''ARE U SKILLED'' or u a ''QQer''
If u choose 2nd then buy yrself an M12s or SL and join the as u say '' non skilled spray noobs'' and rampage like they do!
i go in egypt with dual despies or my winchester always ... guns that you need to click to let them shoot.
i always end up positive ...
so i dont care but every single patch they give us the same crap.
guns that ar easy to use.
and again i dont blame the people that use these guns its not there fold that these guns ar so easy to use. -
i dont think its funny you join a game and you get spray and prayed its getting frustrating.
if all these people ar so skilled play with a winchester or dual despies guns that you need to click to let it shoot.
Didn't you say a while ago that you didn't mind playing against M12 users?
Hell, I even think you stated that you used an M12 quite a lot. -
if all these people ar so skilled play with a winchester or dual despies guns that you need to click to let it shoot.
speaking of winchester
how is it a rifle with a long barrel does almost no damage at longrange
but a gun which looks like its made out of broken car parts [m12s] shooting tiny rounds out of a CQC spray gun does anywhere from 50-96 dmg depending on just how long the range is
[idk how to talk about guns - - but i hope you get what i mean] -
The facts are you have to like the game to be willing to buy zp yeah? The problem is with the lag, the hacks and all these issues that are arrising that are almost impossible to fix permanatly, Surely less and less are buying zp. I mean before sure we didnt have as many guns but i would go as a uk player and have the highest ping in the room at 112 .... people in brazil are getting 500 ping.
And sorry bout my earlier post i was qqing cuz i just got kicked when i was 39-6 and apparently i hacked
Clearly, enough people enjoy this game for SG to keep releasing these weapons for people to buy. Business practice says go with what works. Again, neither you or I have the factual numbers to base ANY opinion that less people are buying ZP. Again, this forum community and its complaints does not represent even HALF of the actual playing community. We have no way of knowing if things are working or not for sure. But, you can deduct that if they are releasing items for people to buy, then that is clearly what is selling.
As a store owner, if something is selling successfully, I'm going to put out more of that item and similar items. If its not, I take it off the shelf. Simple business practice. -
Didn't you say a while ago that you didn't mind playing against M12 users?
Hell, I even think you stated that you used an M12 quite a lot.
i dont mind them i sayed this 3 times in this thread dear.
its not there fold those guns ar in this game these guns ar here to use.
and these guns dont take any skill to use so why dont use them huh ? -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Clearly, enough people enjoy this game for SG to keep releasing these weapons for people to buy. Business practice says go with what works. Again, neither you or I have the factual numbers to base ANY opinion that less people are buying ZP. Again, this forum community and its complaints does not represent even HALF of the actual playing community. We have no way of knowing if things are working or not for sure. But, you can deduct that if they are releasing items for people to buy, then that is clearly what is selling.
As a store owner, if something is selling successfully, I'm going to put out more of that item and similar items. If its not, I take it off the shelf. Simple business practice.
Fair Point but i have probably one final question. What is the point of the surgestions threads. Because from what i see were getting stuff from the (please dont shoot me for saying this) other chinese,korean,VN Crossfires. What i dont get people put down their views e.g Ping limited servers and ideas and the next patch its another gun.... It cant harm profits that badly to improve gameplay for us "minority forumites" rather than limit us to being swamped with m12's
To be perfectly honest i think fewer people would hate the m12s if the owners wer'nt at 180+ pings making them tank bullets and giving their spray + power a large advantage. -
i dont mind them i sayed this 3 times in this thread dear.
its not there fold those guns ar in this game these guns ar here to use.
and these guns dont take any skill to use so why dont use them huh ?
Then I don't see why you made this thread, you are using guns that take no skill to use, and yet you complain about guns that supposedly take no skill to use are getting released.
what a way to contradict yourself:rolleyes: -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »You obviously don't understand how a business works. Do a majority of casual players play or is it a majority of competitive players? The answer is obvious. Casual players make up a GREAT majority of the population that plays this game. The company is going to appeal to the majority who don't necessarily HAVE the skill to use the weapons you so desperately think Cross Fire needs. There are plenty of weapons already that take a fair amount of skill to use.
Realize that these weapons are released to keep Cross Fire going, not only as a game but as a business. Would you appeal to the 100 people that want one thing, or the 100,000 people who want something else? Simple business practice.
Also, before you jump into telling me that the majority of customers clearly aren't happy, this forum community does NOT make up a majority of Cross Fire's actual players. The larger population doesn't even usually come to the forums, so there is no way of saying that what SG and G4Box are doing is not what everyone wants. They have the numbers, clearly things are selling. That's how it's going to be. Sorry.
^this
but still i find that z8games could try to please the competitive gamers with maybe a new gp gun that would be wogl/esl acceptable or a new SND map -
i dont think its funny you join a game and you get spray and prayed its getting frustrating.
if all these people ar so skilled play with a winchester or dual despies guns that you need to click to let it shoot.
Look..you must be a skilled player....This is good....
But you dont think everyone is....and everyone want be!!!!
the weapon dont make you skilled or not....is how respond to the challenge!!!!
Keep it in mind...you..agains a OP weapons...every kill you have...is duplicate.....And for the other...is not so much
Sorry my english -
Then I don't see why you made this thread, you are using guns that take no skill to use, and yet you complain about guns that supposedly take no skill to use are getting released.
what a way to contradict yourself:rolleyes:
its up to z8 to do something about this and stop releasing these gun.
did yo usa this p90 ... ok weak like hell but no recoil at all wait not tru... it has recoil afther bullet 55 ....
anyway there is no gameplay anymore in this game its only spray and pray and it has nothing to do with an fps game anymore.
one day you people will see that i was having a point here on this thread.
and to staff keep destroying you own game.
your doing great -
Fair Point but i have probably one final question. What is the point of the surgestions threads. Because from what i see were getting stuff from the (please dont shoot me for saying this) other chinese,korean,VN Crossfires. What i dont get people put down their views e.g Ping limited servers and ideas and the next patch its another gun.... It cant harm profits that badly to improve gameplay for us "minority forumites" rather than limit us to being swamped with m12's
To be perfectly honest i think fewer people would hate the m12s if the owners wer'nt at 180+ pings making them tank bullets and giving their spray + power a large advantage.
To be perfectly honest, this is what I don't like about large companies, but that's how a majority of them work.
G4Box ---> Neowiz Games ---> Smile Gate
Smile Gate develops the game. Unfortunately, you don't see Smile Gate developers roaming our forums for game suggestions and improvements. G4Box has to forward such suggestions and it has to go through a myriad of companies to get to Smile Gate, with these suggestions having to be SUPPORTED all the way to Smile Gate. It's a lot of politics involved. Smile Gate will go with the market (NA/UK) and what is working. I'm not saying suggestions DON'T get through (Spec Mode, Shooting Range), but it's a lot of red tape from our mouth/writing to the idea board at Smile Gate. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »To be perfectly honest, this is what I don't like about large companies, but that's how a majority of them work.
G4Box ---> Neowiz Games ---> Smile Gate
Smile Gate develops the game. Unfortunately, you don't see Smile Gate developers roaming our forums for game suggestions and improvements. G4Box has to forward such suggestions and it has to go through a myriad of companies to get to Smile Gate, with these suggestions having to be SUPPORTED all the way to Smile Gate. It's a lot of politics involved. Smile Gate will go with the market (NA/UK) and what is working. I'm not saying suggestions DON'T get through (Spec Mode, Shooting Range), but it's a lot of red tape from our mouth/writing to the idea board at Smile Gate.
So if Smile Gate make the stuff why is for example Cf China years ahead. Is it the time that takes for the C++ to be re written.... Shame it cant be cut and pasted... Programmings evil. But even so the lag issue must of been raised at least one with smile gate.... i mean its not like it was 1 to a game these days its 12 to a game... Sigh * im whining cheers for answering Polleus. -
So if Smile Gate make the stuff why is for example Cf China years ahead. Is it the time that takes for the C++ to be re written.... Shame it cant be cut and pasted... Programmings evil. But even so the lag issue must of been raised at least one with smile gate.... i mean its not like it was 1 to a game these days its 12 to a game... Sigh * im whining cheers for answering Polleus.
You have to remember the China and Korean clients are both 1-2 years ahead of our client. We're not going to receive the items they have NOW, since we are 1-2 years behind them. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »You have to remember the China and Korean clients are both 1-2 years ahead of our client. We're not going to receive the items they have NOW, since we are 1-2 years behind them.
Mhmm well as long as somethings done about the lag. I think thats the main issue making everyone mad.... People in my clan are asking how long until they sort the lag out.. but im going to guess no one knows that apart from the chief dev?
Lag brought by South american players. not the patch lag -
Mhmm well as long as somethings done about the lag. I think thats the main issue making everyone mad.... People in my clan are asking how long until they sort the lag out.. but im going to guess no one knows that apart from the chief dev?
I can't honestly say. I'm not part of that staff
We just have to make do with what we have until a solution comes along. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »You obviously don't understand how a business works. Do a majority of casual players play or is it a majority of competitive players? The answer is obvious. Casual players make up a GREAT majority of the population that plays this game. The company is going to appeal to the majority who don't necessarily HAVE the skill to use the weapons you so desperately think Cross Fire needs. There are plenty of weapons already that take a fair amount of skill to use.
Realize that these weapons are released to keep Cross Fire going, not only as a game but as a business. Would you appeal to the 100 people that want one thing, or the 100,000 people who want something else? Simple business practice.
Also, before you jump into telling me that the majority of customers clearly aren't happy, this forum community does NOT make up a majority of Cross Fire's actual players. The larger population doesn't even usually come to the forums, so there is no way of saying that what SG and G4Box are doing is not what everyone wants. They have the numbers, clearly things are selling. That's how it's going to be. Sorry.[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Again I emphasize, according to whom? They have the numbers of what sells and what doesn't. If they are releasing such weapons, then clearly it is working and it is the way. Just because YOU don't like what they are doing, doesn't mean it's not working the way they meant it to work. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if things weren't selling the way they should they'd be approaching it a different way.
The competitive community and SOME casual gamers who don't like these weapons do NOT make up the majority of the entire community. They clearly didn't intend for this game to be solely competitive or serious, so the release of re-skins and sometimes silly items comes with the territory.[MOD]Polleus wrote: »There is plenty of game play. Just because a lot of people use a Scar Light RD in a public game, doesn't mean game play doesn't exist. Again, most gamers in this game are CASUAL. They just want to come in, run around, and shoot guns. Sadly, the majority of people who want a more serious form of game play, don't end up the happy ones, especially in an MMOFPS thats free to play. That's just the way it is.
Ok, clearly, I never got past the first page because of these specific posts. (please don't assume its because of my war against mods before my leave.) But everything you said in those three posts all state that this "majority" wants things this way and the "minority" wants things the other and because clearly the "majority" is greatly more populated the company has sided with them.
I have no issue with that. However, it would NOT kill the devs or whom ever decides what comes in what patch to every once in a while throw out a weapon that is meant for the competitive community. As clearly stated by the TS, there ARE more guns that pretty much have the recoil the size of a head on a nail. m4 silenced,m4 silver, mp5 silenced, k-2, m4 gold, m4 crystal, and custom, and the scar light and m12s. (I almost forgot those last 3, DOH!)
Now, although that list looks small, I'm sure I missed others like the XM8, last I knew it had %100 wall bang, fairly tight spray pattern. Other than the AK family, and the original m4, and g36k and the snipers, which ones are competitive that JUST RECENTLY got released? I'm sure I didn't see any.
Summary: More weapons are released for the "majority" or "casual players" while the "minority" or "competitive players" have yet to see anything new within the last what... 3 yrs? -
All pro's use m4a1 because it is simple and good for hs. They already used it in when they first started crossfire and then they use it after they are high ranked pro's.
back in time there where no m4 silenced oh god that was gameplay.
when you killed someone you can say GG nice shot etc.
now you can say nice spray.
back in time we played with GP store m4 / ak47 / ak74 / awm good old game play and a deagle afcourse xD -
Ok, clearly, I never got past the first page because of these specific posts. (please don't assume its because of my war against mods before my leave.) But everything you said in those three posts all state that this "majority" wants things this way and the "minority" wants things the other and because clearly the "majority" is greatly more populated the company has sided with them.
I have no issue with that. However, it would NOT kill the devs or whom ever decides what comes in what patch to every once in a while throw out a weapon that is meant for the competitive community. As clearly stated by the TS, there ARE more guns that pretty much have the recoil the size of a head on a nail. m4 silenced,m4 silver, mp5 silenced, k-2, m4 gold, m4 crystal, and custom, and the scar light and m12s. (I almost forgot those last 3, DOH!)
Now, although that list looks small, I'm sure I missed others like the XM8, last I knew it had %100 wall bang, fairly tight spray pattern. Other than the AK family, and the original m4, and g36k and the snipers, which ones are competitive that JUST RECENTLY got released? I'm sure I didn't see any.
Summary: More weapons are released for the "majority" or "casual players" while the "minority" or "competitive players" have yet to see anything new within the last what... 3 yrs?
Well release weapon will certain have to go through WOGL to be identified as competitive or not. This being said, most of the time people will cry when new things appear even though they so "op" As far the argument, [MOD]Polleus is right about the whole system. The majority will always set the direction of the game unless something is done -
back in time there where no m4 silenced oh god that was gameplay.
when you killed someone you can say GG nice shot etc.
now you can say nice spray.
That time that ur speaking was during when scar light was "pro" and theres was no WOGL. Nice spray? People will always spray -
That time that ur speaking was during when scar light was "pro" and theres was no WOGL. Nice spray? People will always spray
oh please stop talking there was not even a scar light lmao
we played ship/egypt/sub base/factory and lab map with NO axes and shovels so mush fun.
and back in time people did not spray. we aimed and made skilled kills.
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