when will we get a patch with a gun that asks skill?
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[MOD]Polleus wrote: »I never said the M4 wasn't easy to use. I was simply correcting your misconception that there is a difference between the regular M4 and the M4-Silver and/or M4-Advanced.
i know it has recoil all guns got recoil. even the m12s has recoil.
but why do these devs. hand out these m4s AND IM NOT TALKING about the m4 is gp shop. just talking about these silenced guns.
i mean the gun is plain nub well for me it is.
and you guys keep bringing more it seems why does crossfire owns so much guns when you only see m4s in game.
it has there reasons i bet ...
1 - even a nub can play with it.
2 - devs keep making more of it
3 - 20 ribbons is free nub blaster
stop this m4 mania. try a winchester.
give these m4s a recoil boost i dont care. its not that hard work to boost it up in recoil is it.
thats what that gun needs. -
xPikachu_x wrote: »This practically ends the Scar-L M4 Argument.
Firstly, Im going to quote you on the first sentence before you gave me a definition of Harassment. You always keep responding to others. Maybe you havent been insulting me.
OH BUT WAIT!! I clearly need a definition? Are you calling me stupid?
I know what harassment is, and your breaking every rule of it. Maybe you named yourself break for a reason. Seriously, All ive been saying was calm it down.
Flaming gets no one anywhere. You also keep bringing up kawaii or whatever and insulting him because he said spop had smaller hitboxes. SO WHAT? Maybe everyone has thought it was smaller at one time. Until I made a movie with Rorzer proving it was false and all hitboxes were the same.
Its really pointless to keep arguing with people. Im definitely done trying to help with you since your head wheres a hardhat 24/7.
Flaming isn't harassment unless It's constant and repetitive. Also, I'm not flaming anyone, I've given blunt answer that are to the point of the truth or my opinion. As said before, try to stay on topic instead of white knighting yourself on a word you cannot define. -
i know it has recoil all guns got recoil. even the m12s has recoil.
but why do these devs. hand out these m4s AND IM NOT TALKING about the m4 is gp shop.
i mean the gun is plain nub well for me it is.
and you guys keep bringing more it seems why does crossfire owns so much guns when you only see m4s in game.
it has there reasons
1 - even a nub can play with it.
2 - devs keep making more of it
3 - 20 ribbons is free nub blaster
stop this m4 mania
what sucks is that we'll still get more m4
like the m4 a brown, m4 striped, etc Oo -
i know it has recoil all guns got recoil. even the m12s has recoil.
but why do these devs. hand out these m4s AND IM NOT TALKING about the m4 is gp shop.
i mean the gun is plain nub well for me it is.
and you guys keep bringing more it seems why does crossfire owns so much guns when you only see m4s in game.
it has there reasons
1 - even a nub can play with it.
2 - devs keep making more of it
3 - 20 ribbons is free nub blaster
stop this m4 mania
Going back to simple business practices, the M4 sells VERY successfully. So why not give the customer more to buy? Going back to my store example. If one item is selling VERY well, I'm going to put out more of that item and similar items that would sell in that particular area. The numbers clearly say that the M4 is a selling point, so that's why they release more. Until the numbers say, "The M4 is not selling anymore", you're probably going to see more, not less.
Would I rather different weapons? OF COURSE. Who wouldn't? But that's how these things work my man. Business is business in the end. They appeal to the majority and obviously the majority says the M4 is popular. Could they spare a few small things for those of us who want something different? Of course they should. But you have to realize we are not first priority. The minority will NEVER be first priority, especially in a business. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Going back to simple business practices, the M4 sells VERY successfully. So why not give the customer more to buy? Going back to my store example. If one item is selling VERY well, I'm going to put out more of that item and similar items that would sell in that particular area. The numbers clearly say that the M4 is a selling point, so that's why they release more. Until the numbers say, "The M4 is not selling anymore", you're probably going to see more, not less.
Would I rather different weapons? OF COURSE. Who wouldn't? But that's how these things work my man. Business is business in the end. They appeal to the majority and obviously the majority says the M4 is popular. Could they spare a few small things for those of us who want something different? Of course they should. But you have to realize we are not first priority. The minority will NEVER be first priority, especially in a business.
yes i know it sells good i know the servers cost money.
i understand this but i just plain dislike how easy it is to use.
i think fps needs aim.
and not just spray and pray -
This thread ended on page 5. It didnt need to be dragged out.NoLegsTheCat wrote: »Flaming isn't harassment unless It's constant and repetitive. Also, I'm not flaming anyone, I've given blunt answer that are to the point of the truth or my opinion. As said before, try to stay on topic instead of white knighting yourself on a word you cannot define.
Your telling me to stop dragging it out? Your doing the same thing.
I might not be posting on-topic. I can admit it, but your just being a total hypocrite. LOL and your repeating yourself btw. >.>:eek: -
yes i know it sells good i know the servers cost money.
i understand this but i just plain dislike how easy it is to use.
i think fps needs aim.
and not just spray and pray
ANY weapons can be used by ANY player in this game. Again, this goes back to matters of opinion. YOU think the M4 is easy to use, therefore you think it's a low skill weapon. I think the AK is easy to use, therefore I wouldn't regard it as a weapon that requires a lot of skill. It's all your opinion. You really can't classify a weapon based on your opinion, it has to be from facts. -
This is how it happens. Especially in the business world. Its whatever goes with the flow more.[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Going back to simple business practices, the M4 sells VERY successfully. So why not give the customer more to buy? Going back to my store example. If one item is selling VERY well, I'm going to put out more of that item and similar items that would sell in that particular area. The numbers clearly say that the M4 is a selling point, so that's why they release more. Until the numbers say, "The M4 is not selling anymore", you're probably going to see more, not less.
Would I rather different weapons? OF COURSE. Who wouldn't? But that's how these things work my man. Business is business in the end. They appeal to the majority and obviously the majority says the M4 is popular. Could they spare a few small things for those of us who want something different? Of course they should. But you have to realize we are not first priority. The minority will NEVER be first priority, especially in a business. -
xPikachu_x wrote: »This thread ended on page 5. It didnt need to be dragged out.
Your telling me to stop dragging it out? Your doing the same thing.
I might not be posting on-topic. I can admit it, but your just being a total hypocrite. LOL and your repeating yourself btw. >.>:eek:
Erm, I'm still involved in the topic but I am also replying to you. Look there's a mod in this thread, now report me or stop crying and help this kid. Also kinda hard not to repeat yourself when someone clearly doesn't read nor understand it.yes i know it sells good i know the servers cost money.
i understand this but i just plain dislike how easy it is to use.
i think fps needs aim.
and not just spray and pray
Crossfire is about aim, you can spray someone in the chest but won't matter if they can aim. Also I see your argument for the SL's but the M4's? Low damage gun with high accuracy I don't see how your spray argument has any relevance here as oppose to the SL's where I agree. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »ANY weapons can be used by ANY player in this game. Again, this goes back to matters of opinion. YOU think the M4 is easy to use, therefore you think it's a low skill weapon. I think the AK is easy to use, therefore I wouldn't regard it as a weapon that requires a lot of skill. It's all your opinion. You really can't classify a weapon based on your opinion, it has to be from facts.
I actually find the M12S a bit hard to use at times. After I've used some guns that got lower\higher recoil that the M12S, I just can't use it. Same goes for every other gun. Calling a gun overpowered is more or less saying that its easy to use, which is true about the M12S. It is indeed easy to use, but not everyone can use it. So yeah, I support what you're writing. -
NoLegsTheCat wrote: »Also I see your argument for the SL's but the M4's? Low damage gun with high accuracy I don't see how your spray argument has any relevance here as oppose to the SL's where I agree.
There actually isn't a lot of difference between the damage of the SL and the M4. That isn't what makes the difference between the two.
I explained this earlier ---
The Scar Light, on a full spray, has the first 5-7 bullets go directly after one another, in a straight pattern. Those first 5-7 bullets hit EXACTLY where the last one hit. That makes A LOT of difference as opposed to an M4, who's recoil kicks immediately leaving only 1-2 bullets hitting in the same spot upon firing. THAT is the difference.
People can spray with the SL easier because more bullets travel to the same location before the recoil kicks in, hence why the M4 is such a great burst rifle and the reason the SL does more damage upon initially firing. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »There actually isn't a lot of difference between the damage of the SL and the M4. That isn't what makes the difference between the two.
I explained this earlier ---
The Scar Light, on a full spray, has the first 5-7 bullets go directly after one another, in a straight pattern. Those first 5-7 bullets hit EXACTLY where the last one hit. That makes A LOT of difference as opposed to an M4, who's recoil kicks immediately leaving only 1-2 bullets hitting in the same spot upon firing. THAT is the difference.
People can spray with the SL easier because more bullets travel to the same location before the recoil kicks in, hence why the M4 is such a great burst rifle.
Yes, I agree'd with this. I was asking how he could assume the SL's and M4's spray all the same. He's calling the M4's a nub blaster which indicates spray, but the SL's and M4's have completely different spray patterns. Like you pointed out which I agree'd is due to the recoil. -
Ah, another M4 argument, you make countless versions of these don't you?
This is coming from an experienced M4 user who has had the series as his main since his account was created. Its my favorite rifle, period.
Now, onto the regular M4 versus the 'silenced' M4's. There's some notable differences, but overall they are still the same gun. Why any M4 is considered noobish is beyond me for it being the most balanced gun in the game. But here are my points:
Regular M4:
Average Fire Rate
Average Draw Speed
T Shape Spread
Pinpoint Accuracy For First 3 Shots, Not Including Burst/Tap Fire
Average Damage, Roughly 4 or 5 Chest Shots
M4 Silver/Advantage Comparison:
-Slower Fire Rate
=Same Draw Speed
=T Shaped Spread
+Pinpoint Accuracy For First 4 Shots, Not Including Burst/Tap Fire
(This is due to the slower fire rate, allowing the recoil to cool a bit.)
-Less Damage, Not Too Noticeable In Comparison, Still About 4 Hits.
M4 Custom Crystal Comparison:
=Same Fire Rate
=Same Draw Speed
=T-Like Spread, Going More For The Top Left Corner.
=Same Accuracy
--Less Damage, is about one step down from the Silver/Advantage.
M4 Custom Comparison:
Similar to the Crystal only with a slower rate of fire, thus higher accuracy.
No info on the M4A1-E, Xmas, Sakura (Spring), Halloween and others not noted here.
Its all about play style, I personally prefer the regular M4 the most due to its control and overall balance, but I preform the same with the rest of the M4's just as easy. Its all about learning the gun and its style. -
[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »Ah, another M4 argument, you make countless versions of these don't you?
This is coming from an experienced M4 user who has had the series as his main since his account was created. Its my favorite rifle, period.
Now, onto the regular M4 versus the 'silenced' M4's. There's some notable differences, but overall they are still the same gun. Why any M4 is considered noobish is beyond me for it being the most balanced gun in the game. But here are my points:
Regular M4:
Average Fire Rate
Average Draw Speed
T Shape Spread
Pinpoint Accuracy For First 3 Shots, Not Including Burst/Tap Fire
Average Damage, Roughly 4 or 5 Chest Shots
M4 Silver/Advantage Comparison:
-Slower Fire Rate
=Same Draw Speed
=T Shaped Spread
+Pinpoint Accuracy For First 4 Shots, Not Including Burst/Tap Fire
(This is due to the slower fire rate, allowing the recoil to cool a bit.)
-Less Damage, Not Too Noticeable In Comparison, Still About 4 Hits.
M4 Custom Crystal Comparison:
=Same Fire Rate
=Same Draw Speed
=T-Like Spread, Going More For The Top Left Corner.
=Same Accuracy
--Less Damage, is about one step down from the Silver/Advantage.
M4 Custom Comparison:
Similar to the Crystal only with a slower rate of fire, thus higher accuracy.
No info on the M4A1-E, Xmas, Sakura (Spring), Halloween and others not noted here.
Its all about play style, I personally prefer the regular M4 the most due to its control and overall balance, but I preform the same with the rest of the M4's just as easy. Its all about learning the gun and its style.
i did not start this for the m4s i started about this patch another 2 nub spray guns.
i putted the m4s in the list because hey you can put what ever you want in this thread.
it stays a nub spray and pray gun.
thats easy to sell and people love easy to use guns.
so it gets sold.
i picked up an m4 silver once i teambashed the whole bl team with one spray.
from that day on i just walk over these nub guns...
bit im getting sick of the release of all these nub guns.
what can i say more -
i did not start this for the m4s i started about this patch another 2 nub spray guns.
i putted the m4s in the list because hey you can put what ever you want in this thread.
it stays a nub spray and pray gun.
thats easy to sell and people love easy to use guns.
so it gets sold.
i picked up an m4 silver once i teambashed the whole bl team with one spray.
from that day on i just walk over these nub guns..
So you judge a gun based on 10 seconds of holding it? Cool, and how is this gun nub and not you? Based on your logic every gun is a nub spray gun. You said you use an AK, when you spray an AK you can follow the spray pattern and do more damage faster than a M4. Just saying. -
i did not start this for the m4s i started about this patch another 2 nub spray guns.
i putted the m4s in the list because hey you can put what ever you want in this thread.
it stays a nub spray and pray gun.
thats easy to sell and people love easy to use guns.
so it gets sold.
i picked up an m4 silver once i teambashed the whole bl team with one spray.
from that day on i just walk over these nub guns...
bit im getting sick of the release of all these nub guns.
what can i say more
You stated that all the M4s were the same, but as you can see, they clearly are not. -
NoLegsTheCat wrote: »So you judge a gun based on 10 seconds of holding it? Cool, and how is this gun nub and not you? Based on your logic every gun is a nub spray gun.
no you nubcake i see how people play with it .
and sorry.
the m4 is used to spray and pray in this game.
i think i play this game day in day out hour afther hour 7 hours+ a day i have the right to talk.
if you only play ghost mode afcourse ....
nevermind im done with you troll -
no you nubcake i see how people play with it .
and sorry.
the m4 is used to spray and pray in this game.
i think i play this game day in day out hour afther hour 7 hours+ a day i have the right to talk.
if you only play ghost mode afcourse ....
nevermind im done with you troll
Erm, I mostly do S&D and I 1v1 quite regularly, but you wouldn't like that since I use a GP M4. -
It should also be noted that most of the "skill" guns are already in the game.
For example.
If you think the AWM is a skilled gun, then why complain about not adding 'skilled' guns? The AWM is already in the game.
Just because a gun can fire more rapidly than another gun that you are comparing it to, doesn't always make the gun less or more skilled.
Gun choices are almost always a personal preference. As is the decision of skill vs not skilled. Some might find this gun skilled, and others may say you are a horrible player. Skill can also be determined by the specific instance of the shot. I've had some amazing (and maybe random) but skilled looking shots with my KRISS. It's personal opinion.
Try being happy that 2 guns were put in, one for GP (even though it is crate) that are of a different type than an AWM, M4A1 or an AK47.
And that the P90-Camo is only available in our version.
Worry about whether or not someone is skilled or not on the battlefield of the game, when you shoot them between the eyes. -
i did not start this for the m4s i started about this patch another 2 nub spray guns.
i putted the m4s in the list because hey you can put what ever you want in this thread.
it stays a nub spray and pray gun.
thats easy to sell and people love easy to use guns.
so it gets sold.
i picked up an m4 silver once i teambashed the whole bl team with one spray.
from that day on i just walk over these nub guns..
You can call any gun except basically sniper rifles spray guns. The AK, the SL, and any automatic gun in the game. Why? Because they CAN spray. The difference between these is controlling such. A gun isn't noobish if you learn to control it. people can spray a K-2 with deadly accuracy with their control, but they have problems using an M4 properly.
Your argument is mainly dependent on the player base and how they use a gun. I've picked up guns before and clutched, even with a Famas, its not hard if you control it.
Your judging your relative skill compared to others. I'm pretty sure you would have a hard time doing something like that against lets say, LPK or LifeLine's team. Some I hear are beasts with AK's. One of the guns with high recoil.
I'll quote something here:
"A gun is only as good as it's user." -
There is no difference in any m4 rifle but custom rifles. I can say M4 could be noobier since its more for a beginner player. Id recommend it for the noobiest player. It would probably be a good choice. Can anyone spray with an m4? yes.[MOD]Talonblaze wrote: »Ah, another M4 argument, you make countless versions of these don't you?
This is coming from an experienced M4 user who has had the series as his main since his account was created. Its my favorite rifle, period.
Now, onto the regular M4 versus the 'silenced' M4's. There's some notable differences, but overall they are still the same gun. Why any M4 is considered noobish is beyond me for it being the most balanced gun in the game. But here are my points:
Regular M4:
Average Fire Rate
Average Draw Speed
T Shape Spread
Pinpoint Accuracy For First 3 Shots, Not Including Burst/Tap Fire
Average Damage, Roughly 4 or 5 Chest Shots
M4 Silver/Advantage Comparison:
-Slower Fire Rate
=Same Draw Speed
=T Shaped Spread
+Pinpoint Accuracy For First 4 Shots, Not Including Burst/Tap Fire
(This is due to the slower fire rate, allowing the recoil to cool a bit.)
-Less Damage, Not Too Noticeable In Comparison, Still About 4 Hits.
M4 Custom Crystal Comparison:
=Same Fire Rate
=Same Draw Speed
=T-Like Spread, Going More For The Top Left Corner.
=Same Accuracy
--Less Damage, is about one step down from the Silver/Advantage.
M4 Custom Comparison:
Similar to the Crystal only with a slower rate of fire, thus higher accuracy.
No info on the M4A1-E, Xmas, Sakura (Spring), Halloween and others not noted here.
Its all about play style, I personally prefer the regular M4 the most due to its control and overall balance, but I preform the same with the rest of the M4's just as easy. Its all about learning the gun and its style.
Can m4 be considered noobier then a scar light? maybe.
Scar lights accuracy decreased tons to the point you really cant spray and your forced to burst. I remember when it was a slow spread straight up to where you could get constant headshots. You cant do that anymore. M4 is so damn accurate that you can get constant headshots.
I think scar light gets bad rep from just the bad people who cant kill the scar lighters. Then again scar light was so op back then it could still drag on scar light.
Its just eh, M4 is sexier then Scar Light and its the "New thing" nowadays. -
Should also say, there is the approach of "if you don't like it, don't buy it".
Each patch is not going to contain 12 guns. One for every distinct player type in the game. Not to mention that if we DID do this, you would complain there isn't a gun for your particular personality type in the next patch.
There are already "skilled" weapons in the game. If you're not satisfied with them, then unfortunately you'll have to wait until there is a patch that brings a weapon you are satisfied with. -
no you nubcake i see how people play with it .
and sorry.
the m4 is used to spray and pray in this game.
i think i play this game day in day out hour afther hour 7 hours+ a day i have the right to talk.
if you only play ghost mode afcourse ....
nevermind im done with you troll
For you...a skilled player is what?
The type: 1 shot-1 kill? -
Saidin is hella right and NA-CF is freaking bad ass. P90-Camo is only in our version? Thats hella bad ass. Im definitely getting the gun now cause its that freaking sexy[GM]Saidin wrote: »AWM is already in our game.
And that the P90-Camo is only available in our version.
Oh yes, awm is very skilled :P Tho I still call it noob cause only a REAL man will use an msg90 or psg red.
or psg for that matter or m700.
There is tons of skilled guns.
AK-47.
AK-74.
Type89
G36K
Tar
Theres plenty that takes tons of skill to use. Believe it or not, but I still cant use tar at long range XD -
The only gun I wish would come out is HK416. and HK416-Reflex.[GM]Saidin wrote: »Should also say, there is the approach of "if you don't like it, don't buy it".
Each patch is not going to contain 12 guns. One for every distinct player type in the game. Not to mention that if we DID do this, you would complain there isn't a gun for your particular personality type in the next patch.
There are already "skilled" weapons in the game. If you're not satisfied with them, then unfortunately you'll have to wait until there is a patch that brings a weapon you are satisfied with.
I would totally love z8games for bringing me my dream gun. Its the reason why I kept getting m4-custom crates til I won it since it reminded me of Combat Arm's M416.
I would love to see more guns that china or any other version didnt have. P90-Camo not being in another version is a huge surprise to me and im totally Hyped in about getting it.
100000zp for me?
Ima buy the new character.
Tons of ZP Crates.
Tons of p90 GP crates til I win it.
Any good GP guns I dont have yet like mp7, k2 or spas.
Theres plenty of guns out there. Just try them out.
Z8Games added a shooting range now. Its all game. ^_^
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