Would all the room hosts do what I did?
Yesterday, when I entered a room, I found there was a hacker. I started a vote, and it passed with 11:1.
I questioned why no one wanted to kick him. NO ANSWER, Then I did some team jump to acquire the first position in my team to got ready to be the next host, I knew I would do better than the current one.
This is for the TDM. All that I am trying to do is to alert the players that if they want to play, they must be responsible to keep the game fair and clean, otherwise, someone will treat them "unfairly".
Here is what I did as the host:
1. The apparent hackers (underground, glitch in box, walk through wall):
* If hacker in my team, I would start a vote
If vote failed, I would ask my team to do it again
If there is no more vote or the vote failed, I would kick all my teammates who has not started a vote.
* If hacker in another team
I would ask for a vote, and tell them what the hacker was doing, I would ask another time if the first one failed.
If for hacker is not vote kicked out of the game, I would kick all the opponents who has not started a vote.
2. The not so apparent hackers -- 1 shot killer, normally only opponents knows what is going on.
* As opponents,
when he apparently kill in a high rate constantly, I would follow the apparent hacker rule.
when there is no high rate, and several teammates and I feel the same, I would ask someone in the other team to kick. The team would not get punished if there is no vote or vote failed. But I would kick him if he stays (yes, hackers would not stay, but I have to do it).
when only I confirmed that he has 1 shot kill (that is normally several round later), I would tell him publicly I would kick him next game. I would not take any arguement, but here is a trick -- I normally would not really kick him if he stays, while most player leave the game before I look into the player list.
* As teammate
If I feel he cheats (kills too fast while seems not even know how to take cover) and many oppoents complain, I would start a vote. If failed, I might kick all my team.
If I can confirm he cheats, and if many opponents complains, I would start a vote (have to, right?). There is no further request for the vote kick to my teammate, and I would not kick my teammate for failed vote.
If there is only 1 or 2 complains, I would ignore.
If I have someone worth to trust, most likely friends, or someone has played with me several game together and proved to be clean, I would ask them first if there is too many complain in their team. If he feels nothing wrong, I will ignore even if all the others complain.
3. QQer:
* Constant QQer need to be careful, if you QQ anyone killed you, you might get kicked by me very quickly.
* If the QQer upgraded to insult, I would kick.
4. Standard procedure to kick.
I would warn if there is no vote, I would kick all the team.
I would state that I would kick all the team for not supporting hackers.
I know someone will troll on this, but I believe if all the host did the same, players would start to vote if they found hackers, and hackers would find it is hard to play a whole game.
And because the kick is already being abused, it would not bother being abused another time, if you think I am asking others to abuse it.
I think z8 can provide something to facilitate the controls:
1. The local host black (ban) list (a local text file to list all the player name to be banned from the room if when start it);
2. The local host white list (a local test file to list all the players who should have more power when being a room host -- trustable players, they can not be vote kicked). The host in the whitelist can manage temperary ban list. If a vote kick has passed with 80% vote, the authorized host can ban the player as long as he is the host of the room. Players who would not vote kick an apparent hacker might be punished for 10 games or till room change host, which ever condition matched first);
3. Normal random host can kick players as usual, the effective duration is 1 game, unless vote kicked by 80% of players in room -- it can be 10 games or till room change host.
4. The game should support a rule board. The room host can list his rules for his room. For example, they can put a slogan there, "kick hacker, or you will be kicked"
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5. Because hackers normally leave before game end, there should be an page to show all the players has joined the game. The host should be able to add punishment to them even they leave.
6. In TDM, player should only be able to vote kick their opponents, most hackers are easily found by opponents.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Before z8 provide the solution, I believe we can change the situation somewhat.
I questioned why no one wanted to kick him. NO ANSWER, Then I did some team jump to acquire the first position in my team to got ready to be the next host, I knew I would do better than the current one.
This is for the TDM. All that I am trying to do is to alert the players that if they want to play, they must be responsible to keep the game fair and clean, otherwise, someone will treat them "unfairly".
Here is what I did as the host:
1. The apparent hackers (underground, glitch in box, walk through wall):
* If hacker in my team, I would start a vote
If vote failed, I would ask my team to do it again
If there is no more vote or the vote failed, I would kick all my teammates who has not started a vote.
* If hacker in another team
I would ask for a vote, and tell them what the hacker was doing, I would ask another time if the first one failed.
If for hacker is not vote kicked out of the game, I would kick all the opponents who has not started a vote.
2. The not so apparent hackers -- 1 shot killer, normally only opponents knows what is going on.
* As opponents,
when he apparently kill in a high rate constantly, I would follow the apparent hacker rule.
when there is no high rate, and several teammates and I feel the same, I would ask someone in the other team to kick. The team would not get punished if there is no vote or vote failed. But I would kick him if he stays (yes, hackers would not stay, but I have to do it).
when only I confirmed that he has 1 shot kill (that is normally several round later), I would tell him publicly I would kick him next game. I would not take any arguement, but here is a trick -- I normally would not really kick him if he stays, while most player leave the game before I look into the player list.
* As teammate
If I feel he cheats (kills too fast while seems not even know how to take cover) and many oppoents complain, I would start a vote. If failed, I might kick all my team.
If I can confirm he cheats, and if many opponents complains, I would start a vote (have to, right?). There is no further request for the vote kick to my teammate, and I would not kick my teammate for failed vote.
If there is only 1 or 2 complains, I would ignore.
If I have someone worth to trust, most likely friends, or someone has played with me several game together and proved to be clean, I would ask them first if there is too many complain in their team. If he feels nothing wrong, I will ignore even if all the others complain.
3. QQer:
* Constant QQer need to be careful, if you QQ anyone killed you, you might get kicked by me very quickly.
* If the QQer upgraded to insult, I would kick.
4. Standard procedure to kick.
I would warn if there is no vote, I would kick all the team.
I would state that I would kick all the team for not supporting hackers.
I know someone will troll on this, but I believe if all the host did the same, players would start to vote if they found hackers, and hackers would find it is hard to play a whole game.
And because the kick is already being abused, it would not bother being abused another time, if you think I am asking others to abuse it.
I think z8 can provide something to facilitate the controls:
1. The local host black (ban) list (a local text file to list all the player name to be banned from the room if when start it);
2. The local host white list (a local test file to list all the players who should have more power when being a room host -- trustable players, they can not be vote kicked). The host in the whitelist can manage temperary ban list. If a vote kick has passed with 80% vote, the authorized host can ban the player as long as he is the host of the room. Players who would not vote kick an apparent hacker might be punished for 10 games or till room change host, which ever condition matched first);
3. Normal random host can kick players as usual, the effective duration is 1 game, unless vote kicked by 80% of players in room -- it can be 10 games or till room change host.
4. The game should support a rule board. The room host can list his rules for his room. For example, they can put a slogan there, "kick hacker, or you will be kicked"
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5. Because hackers normally leave before game end, there should be an page to show all the players has joined the game. The host should be able to add punishment to them even they leave.
6. In TDM, player should only be able to vote kick their opponents, most hackers are easily found by opponents.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Before z8 provide the solution, I believe we can change the situation somewhat.
Comments
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see you kick others for no reason....
Just because they dont vote kick the hacker doesnt mean its because they want them there. Sometimes if your on the same team as a hacker you dont always notice them and you have no solid proof... Its your opinion they are hacking(unless blatant) -
Uh, I guess I wouldnt.
-Too much trouble for one idiot.
-There's ALWAYS at least someone who did not pay attention
-Opinions are subjective. Why do they want someone to get kicked? Actual evidence? Raging? Trolling? Kick for better score? Kick me for not being sure 100%? Kick me because I reject all of those rage/pseudo-evidence and press F12?
-Kicking an entire team for not listening to you (even if you may have a good reason) seems pretty stupid to me. "Kick him or I'll kick you" makes me rather ignore you than actually watching the suspicious person myself. Also next line:
-"if vote failed" I see no point in investigating who pressed F11 and who F12.
-WAY too much trouble for one idiot.
Exceptions for really obvious ones.
As for the suggestions:
3,5: Why not
1,4:indifferent
2: again, who's thrustable and who not? Why is one more than others?
6: No. Haters gonna votespam. -
see you kick others for no reason....
Just because they dont vote kick the hacker doesnt mean its because they want them there. Sometimes if your on the same team as a hacker you dont always notice them and you have no solid proof... Its your opinion they are hacking(unless blatant)
Normally I would say: "BL please start a vote to kick ***X, he is underground"
Underground is the most case I ask for them, but no one response. I would next state: "OK, I will kick all the BL team after this game", someone started it. And sometimes, someone start a kick nearly the last minutes, about 4-5 minutes after my request, then I would kick him as well.
Yes, as I said, it has already being abused, and would not bother being abused another time, especially it would create some positive effect. -
Oh god again?
We dont need any more threads on 'hack-ing' or 'issues'
We have a decent Anti kick guide by UKDissident
No need for your opinion blah blah
Oh, my god again?
Why don't s(tf)u and go read other thread? Did you ever do something positive? -
Oh god again?
We dont need any more threads on 'hack-ing' or 'issues'
We have a decent Anti kick guide by UKDissident
No need for your opinion blah blah
Whoever you're owning up to... -__-
On a side note, the vote-kick system is not the greatest and should be taken out of the game to reduce these kinds of issues. Anyone generating more than 6 kills in less than 5 seconds should be auto-kicked from any room/any mode. That's what I think should be the best interest of anyone. -
Uh, I guess I wouldnt.
-Too much trouble for one idiot.
-There's ALWAYS at least someone who did not pay attention
-Opinions are subjective. Why do they want someone to get kicked? Actual evidence? Raging? Trolling? Kick for better score? Kick me for not being sure 100%? Kick me because I reject all of those rage/pseudo-evidence and press F12?
-Kicking an entire team for not listening to you (even if you may have a good reason) seems pretty stupid to me. "Kick him or I'll kick you" makes me rather ignore you than actually watching the suspicious person myself. Also next line:
-"if vote failed" I see no point in investigating who pressed F11 and who F12.
-WAY too much trouble for one idiot.
Exceptions for really obvious ones.
As for the suggestions:
3,5: Why not
1,4:indifferent
2: again, who's thrustable and who not? Why is one more than others?
6: No. Haters gonna votespam.
I trust most of the friend I made --- I send the request not only because they are good at the game, but also because they did something I think is right -- like they constantly start a vote when there is one.
For those who did not pay attention to, this is a way to tell them to pay attention to. And when some one is shooting from underground, I am sure all his teammate can see it (the scoreboard will flush with his kills, AND HIS TAG IS UNDER SEA LEVEL). Or other case, someone stay inside the glitch (in box/wall). You should easily know that when you passed by. Remember, if you can sit inside enemy spawn, with nearly 8 of enemy keeps respawn near you and being killed by you 30 times without being killed, there is something wrong. If you said you can not identify it, I would at least doubt you lie, and a lier is more likely a cheater.
I never force to them to kick careful waller or unskillful 1 shot killer (those who aim is not fast and you still have chance to kill them). I know it is hard to tell.
Those who vote yes to kick a hacker would start a vote again if it failed, right? And if you really met hacker in TDM, you will understand what I am talking about. In many cases, they know who is hacking, and they bargain to kick the player on your side first. So what is the point?
Most players would not be so dumb that when some "hero" start to flush the screen. If I did it, there must be lots of QQ, and I can see lots of "f11 all". I know there is something going on. So I know everyone can detect the difference. A hacker will do a much longer streak than I can do, I would not even see a vote for it, because if I saw, my team would "f11 all". The fact is so simple, some one want to keep the hacker, so who will benefit from it? I know some dumb player in victim side would not, they are preferred to be killed, so I can not complain them because they sacrifice themselves. But the other team will be more likely to make some wrong decision, and if you don't vote, I don't know how you think, kick is very reasonable.
Only victim is those who just enter and have no chance to know what is going on. So if z8 could provide a functionality about who have chance to vote and what did him vote, it will be better.
Suggestion 1 means the player in the least can never enter the room. Only who start the room can load the ban list. He can add more player to his list. Random host is the one who is host after the previous host leaves. They are randomly chosen (because those who take the slot is random), and is not trustable.
Most of the time the only 1 idiot ruin it up, and most of the time it is because the other player's indifferent attitude to make them can do what they want to do.
Don't worry if the power is abused. If I host a room recently, I would add password and only invite the friends ---- if every one did the same, you (legit players) will find there is no where to play. Therefore, it can not be worse. -
Whoever you're owning up to... -__-
Anyone generating more than 6 kills in less than 5 seconds should be auto-kicked from any room/any mode.
That will be a problem, sometimes they are trying to running into a door in line. You can kill 3 in one burst or two, and kill the other one who camp behind (in fortress, try it, it happens a lot). That 4 kill takes no more than 2 second. And if any other of their team is running in side the view, they might be easily killed because you are concentrated. And most of the player will not look at the direction if they see lots of teammate is running to it, you will think it is safe.
I did it at least once in fortress. And I was killed a lot of times when some teammates running in front of me or just several of them are running into the door. You will think it is safe, and when you hear gun shot, it is too late, or just have no view.
However, 8 kills in 4 second is quite brutal.
OT: kills streak calls:
double kill
triple kill
....
unbelievable.
I can't remember, during the moment to make it, I am very busy and don't have time to move my finger to make screenshot. -
I'm pretty sure there are players like me, who ignore the public chat in TD most of the time. Especially when it is full of spam.
I also ignore the team chat if I only see bs.
Sometimes, I also don't notice the hackers because I can't follow them, I can't keep an eye on their kills and I came here to have fun not police the game.
In that case you would kick me without hesitation, right ?
Because I leave the job of taking care of hackers to Z8 and X-Trap and try to have as much fun as possible, you would punish me ?
Nice.
I think I will write down your IGN, and auto-kick myself whenever I meet you in game.
ps : I always kick hackers in my team when I notice one though, it's just less likely to happen in a TD where I simply don't give a **** -
Hells_Judge wrote: »I'm pretty sure there are players like me, who ignore the public chat in TD most of the time. Especially when it is full of spam.
I also ignore the team chat if I only see bs.
Sometimes, I also don't notice the hackers because I can't follow them, I can't keep an eye on their kills and I came here to have fun not police the game.
In that case you would kick me without hesitation, right ?
Because I leave the job of taking care of hackers to Z8 and X-Trap and try to have as much fun as possible, you would punish me ?
Nice.
I think I will write down your IGN, and auto-kick myself whenever I meet you in game.
ps : I always kick hackers in my team when I notice one though, it's just less likely to happen in a TD where I simply don't give a ****
I do what I think is right.
You should do what supposed to be right. In the place there are so many hackers and you don't want to do a thing about it, why no just kick you and make you think about it.
Just imagine how long can you have your fun if every one act like you, no vote, no kick, no report. You are one of the main reason that a hacker can do what they want to do in every room.
AND I AM ALSO WONDERING IF THE HACKER IS YOUR OPPONENTS, WHAT DID YOU DO? YOU STILL DON'T EVEN NOTICE? YOU QUIT THE GAME? DO YOU WANT OTHER SIDE TO VOTE KICK?
Yes, I would kick without hesitate. AND MY IGN IS IN MY SIGNATURE. -
kawaiineko91 wrote: »wall of texts,
it should be obvious why they dont kick or start it.
Just to make them realize their thinking is wrong. If there is hacker in the game, no one can benefit from it. You want to take advantage, you get punishment. That is so simple. -
Normally I would say: "BL please start a vote to kick ***X, he is underground"
Underground is the most case I ask for them, but no one response. I would next state: "OK, I will kick all the BL team after this game", someone started it. And sometimes, someone start a kick nearly the last minutes, about 4-5 minutes after my request, then I would kick him as well.
Yes, as I said, it has already being abused, and would not bother being abused another time, especially it would create some positive effect.
In your eyes thats positive. In mine its not.
Kicking the ones doing harm is a good idea but why kick those who did nothing wrong? -
I do what I think is right.
You should do what supposed to be right. In the place there are so many hackers and you don't want to do a thing about it, why no just kick you and make you think about it.
Just imagine how long can you have your fun if every one act like you, no vote, no kick, no report. You are one of the main reason that a hacker can do what they want to do in every room.
AND I AM ALSO WONDERING IF THE HACKER IS YOUR OPPONENTS, WHAT DID YOU DO? YOU STILL DON'T EVEN NOTICE? YOU QUIT THE GAME? DO YOU WANT OTHER SIDE TO VOTE KICK?
Yes, I would kick without hesitate. AND MY IGN IS IN MY SIGNATURE.
Ya know what? I agree with you 100%, I think the in-game community should actual make an effort to improve the experience for everyone. -
Although there are some good points and an interesting idea. You are going on the ground assumption that everybody speaks perfect English. Which clearly isn't the case anymore.
Or do you write all your team messages in 10 languages?:)
P.S. When i see a hacker on my team i would always initiate a kick vote. But with so many people who don't even bother voting its often very frustrating.It would be nice if Z8 could at least disregard the non-voters instead of including them in the No vote. -
In your eyes thats positive. In mine its not.
Kicking the ones doing harm is a good idea but why kick those who did nothing wrong?
I think the following post state it clearer.I think the in-game community should actual make an effort to improve the experience for everyone.
So if you don't like hack to be discussed, try to stop it. My previous post about "The community is rotten" cause many rejection. But think about it. Hack complain is not allowed here, and everyone in this forum just suggest you to play with friends. When the forumer also would not bother to vote and would only play for him own fun, how could you expect the game be changed?
Suppose we have an agreement in the forum that every forumer will start a vote kick when a hacker is found, and vote properly, things might have some change. You can also ask your friends do the same. And we can alert the players in my room to do what I think is helpful. This is the way to remedy the vote kick system.
If some day we find we can only play in our password protected room, it will be a tragedy. Hackers can move on to ruin another one, but the fan will lose what they like.
DO YOUR BEST TO PROTECT IT. -
Although there are some good points and an interesting idea. You are going on the ground assumption that everybody speaks perfect English. Which clearly isn't the case anymore.
Or do you write all your team messages in 10 languages?:)
P.S. When i'm i see a hacker on my team i would always initiate a kick vote. But with so many people who don't even bother voting its often very frustrating.It would be nice if Z8 could at least disregard the non-voters instead of including them in the No vote.
If needed, we can put google translated version.
But mainly, because all the players from different country use the same English version, they should understand some basic English. Like Hacker, Vote, Kick, they will learn it in the game even they don't know at the beginning.
If the EA Crossfire version can play on CFNA, that might be a problem, because the player might not understand English at all.
When it is rotten so much, you have to cut more than necessary to rescue it. Use strict rule to correct it, then adjust it when things get better.
And the big advantage of doing this is host is not a representative of z8. We might over do it, but z8 need not be responsible. -
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Whoever you're owning up to... -__-
On a side note, the vote-kick system is not the greatest and should be taken out of the game to reduce these kinds of issues. Anyone generating more than 6 kills in less than 5 seconds should be auto-kicked from any room/any mode. That's what I think should be the best interest of anyone.
what if you get multi-kill ? I've gotten 6k in under 5 sec... AK + controlled spray = win. -
I do what I think is right.
You should do what supposed to be right. In the place there are so many hackers and you don't want to do a thing about it, why no just kick you and make you think about it.
Read my message again, whenever I notice a hacker I kick him.
I just said that sometimes, you're sniping for example, and you can't see how one of your teammate is playing. Unless you keep your eyes on the kills (and you should explain me how you play like that) you sometimes can't see him kill.
And even when you watch the kills... I already managed to do several 4 or 5 kills streak with the P90, to the extent it looked like hack if the only thing you were looking at was the kills (looking at me would have shown you how I needed 50 bullets, a full auto spraying and some luck with the nades). You can't rely on kills alone.
Sometimes the guy is underground, but unless someone of the other team complains about that, you didn't notice it because he was behind or under you (again, you're not supposed to look down while you play).Just imagine how long can you have your fun if every one act like you, no vote, no kick, no report. You are one of the main reason that a hacker can do what they want to do in every room.
How am I one of the reason hackers can do what they want ? I ALWAYS (see, I know how to use capitals too) try to kick a hacker in my team if I notice him.
What you're saying is, if you told the other team "Kick XXXX because he hacks" and they don't want to, then you will kick them afterwards.
PROBLEM : a lot of people say the exact same thing about me and I don't hack. Am I supposed to believe any QQer of the opposite team ?
NO. If I'm supposed to do the things right, I should have proof before kicking. And like I already said, if I have a proof of hacking, then, I will always try to kick the hacker.AND I AM ALSO WONDERING IF THE HACKER IS YOUR OPPONENTS, WHAT DID YOU DO? YOU STILL DON'T EVEN NOTICE? YOU QUIT THE GAME? DO YOU WANT OTHER SIDE TO VOTE KICK?
If the guy is more than obvious, I ask the other team to vote kick him, giving as much details as possible. If he is not kicked, then, depending on how playable the game is, I stay or quit.
If he is not obvious, then I say nothing and keep playing. It's been 2 years since I started playing CF and for 2 years I played despite speed hacker, invisible b***h, walk-through-wall idiot, etc. I just learned to live with it.AND MY IGN IS IN MY SIGNATURE.
YEAH I NOTICED. THAT'S WHY I SAID "I WILL WRITE DOWN YOUR IGN". IF I DIDN'T KNEW YOUR IGN WAS IN YOUR SIGNATURE, HOW COULD I WRITE IT ?
BESIDES, YOU CAN STOP USING CAPITALS, because it just makes you look like you're raging. -
Hells_Judge wrote: »Read my message again, whenever I notice a hacker I kick him.
That is what we supposed to do. You have give me some example that mislead me. You said you might be a player just play for fun and not care about other things. That is what I hate to see.Hells_Judge wrote: »I just said that sometimes, you're sniping for example, and you can't see how one of your teammate is playing. Unless you keep your eyes on the kills (and you should explain me how you play like that) you sometimes can't see him kill.
And even when you watch the kills... I already managed to do several 4 or 5 kills streak with the P90, to the extent it looked like hack if the only thing you were looking at was the kills (looking at me would have shown you how I needed 50 bullets, a full auto spraying and some luck with the nades). You can't rely on kills alone.
Sometimes the guy is underground, but unless someone of the other team complains about that, you didn't notice it because he was behind or under you (again, you're not supposed to look down while you play).
When I said apparent hackers, you should know what I mean. 1. You can see some tag under sea level in your team, 2. The normal player's best killing rate is far from the hackers --- we may have lucky time, but it normally can not continue for too long. While the hackers will keep the killing rate for a long time. If this still can not cause your attention. I have nothing to say.
According to my replay, almost all the underground is near the enemy's base. They have best angle there. And sometimes you should pay attention to the player who shoot at walls. Sometimes they are just testing spray pattern. But sometimes someone have other reason to keep doing it, you know it when you see the kills.
Remember, I only did kick the team when it is obviously that they would not kick a hacker. If the hacker is somewhat hard to know, I would not do it.
We might need a general definition of what is apparent hacking, but that is a trivial compared to the whole idea.Hells_Judge wrote: »How am I one of the reason hackers can do what they want ? I ALWAYS (see, I know how to use capitals too) try to kick a hacker in my team if I notice him.
What you're saying is, if you told the other team "Kick XXXX because he hacks" and they don't want to, then you will kick them afterwards.
PROBLEM : a lot of people say the exact same thing about me and I don't hack. Am I supposed to believe any QQer of the opposite team ?
NO. If I'm supposed to do the things right, I should have proof before kicking. And like I already said, if I have a proof of hacking, then, I will always try to kick the hacker.
Still the argument is focus on the definition of apparent hacks, you might ignored this word in my starting post.
Why you are the reason? If u keep playing the game without noticing anything abnormal --- especially in the case you can have the fun and can not notice hackers when they are in your team, that is problem. Hacker like to be your teammate, because if they don't bother you, you will not bother them, both of you have fun there.
Again, it is from your misleading example.Hells_Judge wrote: »
If the guy is more than obvious, I ask the other team to vote kick him, giving as much details as possible. If he is not kicked, then, depending on how playable the game is, I stay or quit.
So if hacker bothers you, you still cares. Combined with your statement that you almost always mute the chat and normally would just have fun there, it create a terrible impression. You can evaluate if someone told you so.Hells_Judge wrote: »If he is not obvious, then I say nothing and keep playing. It's been 2 years since I started playing CF and for 2 years I played despite speed hacker, invisible b***h, walk-through-wall idiot, etc. I just learned to live with it.
That is the attitude I want to change. If everyone do the same, hacker will be happy. If we don't fight, haker would not go away. If we are not fight as a group, we can not win.
I am trying to create some influence to the player base (z8 might do it easier with any ribbon, mission, or something like that, the problem caused is relative small than the hacking problem itself), I want them to learn the rule that if they are not belong to this group, they will be classified as other group. If they want to be treated with fair, they need to do the correct thing.
If you quit the game when you are host because of hacker, I will be totally disappointed. Come on, when the right falls into some unknown kids, you might abuse it in another way. But when you are abusing it, at least you create some influence. If all the room has the same rule, every new player would consider to vote, because otherwise, they might be kicked -- for example, 10 games.
Normally the first thing I do after each game, is team hopping for the top position in your team. With that easily to abused power, I can have the player who think they can benefit from haker learn something.
But I really think the host should be able to see the all the players who had joined match. Because hackers are those who we want to punish, but they always run faster than those idiots who would not vote and would not leave.Hells_Judge wrote: »YEAH I NOTICED. THAT'S WHY I SAID "I WILL WRITE DOWN YOUR IGN". IF I DIDN'T KNEW YOUR IGN WAS IN YOUR SIGNATURE, HOW COULD I WRITE IT ?
BESIDES, YOU CAN STOP USING CAPITALS, because it just makes you look like you're raging.
Suggestion taken. I was in rage because this is the second time you ask for my in game name. And because all you previous example used seems passive and even selfish to me.
When they don't know what to do, you should push them to do the right thing, when you have the power. -
You said you might be a player just play for fun and not care about other things. That is what I hate to see.
Dude, when I play CF I just want to have some fun in my spare time, yet I have to cope with the lag/lag spikes from my shared connection, the host error, the hack tool detected error, the disconnection, the hackers and CF bugs of all kinds. Sometimes it's just too much so I stop giving a ****. I just join a game, start fragging and don't care about the rest.
Don't try to lecture me about this behaviour, I play CF for fun and it's not my job to take care of hackers. Besides, from my 2 years experience of this game, I know that whatever we do hackers will come back in full force. Report ? Tried many times, works at best on 1 out of ~10 hackers (never worked for me and I'm talking about the very obvious ones). Kicking ? Never works on them, but works fine on me and other legit players.
I'm not saying that in those moments I don't kick a hacker when I see one, I'm just saying that I may not notice them.Why you are the reason? If u keep playing the game without noticing anything abnormal --- especially in the case you can have the fun and can not notice hackers when they are in your team, that is problem. Hacker like to be your teammate, because if they don't bother you, you will not bother them, both of you have fun there.
Listen, if, like it happened to me yesterday, a guy start multi-killing with micro-Galil to the extent I can't even kill one guy (they all died before they could get out of spawn), of course I kick him.
But sometimes it's not that obvious. The guy has one shot but aim like a noob, so, unless you are the one getting killed, you can't say for sure. I can't kick those types of hacker unless I stop playing and follow them to investigate thoroughly.
Again, when I come to play for fun, I won't do it, it's not my job.So if hacker bothers you, you still cares. Combined with your statement that you almost always mute the chat and normally would just have fun there, it create a terrible impression. You can evaluate if someone told you so.
I don't mute the chat, I simply don't read it sometimes.
When you have people hackusing you or other legit players, when you have macro spammers, when you have people that start to discuss (usually not in english), you can't read every single line of the chat, not in the very fast paced gameplay of a TD. So, again sometimes, I miss some information about hackers or demand to kick them.That is the attitude I want to change. If everyone do the same, hacker will be happy. If we don't fight, haker would not go away. If we are not fight as a group, we can not win.
It's good you still have the will to fight. I've been fighting for 2 years, what changed ? The community worsened, the QQ is stronger than ever, the kick vote abuses are legion and the hackers are still there. Don't ask me to keep doing something that never worked while I'm just here to have fun.
If you like going to a park but are always bothered by drunken hobo, what do you do ? You ask them to go or call the police to do something about them.
After the 100th call and nothing changed, you logically come to the conclusion that it's useless. So you either stop going to that park or don't give a **** about the b*****ds anymore and try to enjoy the park despite them.
None of these guys got banned, not even one (I checked their profile frequently), and it was back in the time report wasn't as used as it is probably now (if only because there was less players). I checked some of them today (those that didn't change their name) and last play dates are in march/april of 2011... I reported them several months ago, one shot + aimbot hackers so obvious they would have kicked themselves if that was possible, and they are still there.
I can't be arsed to keep track of all the hackers I report + the corresponding replay, so that I can report them again and again until it works.
There's just no incentive to do so and I don't have the time : it can take several minutes watching the replay to see where the hack is obvious to describe it at best as possible, it takes me 5 min to upload a replay since we can't cut/compress them, and if there's multiple hackers, you have to RE-upload it, and then you have to think about reporting hacker again after 1-2 weeks.I was in rage because this is the second time you ask for my in game name.
I don't remember ever asking you your in-game name, that would have been stupid since it's in your signature and I learned reading more than 20 years ago.
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Conclusion : I agree that we should kick hackers whenever we see one, no problem about that. I just disagree with the whole "you didn't kick him, so you must support hackers or like them thus I kick you from the room" thing. I don't think it will make people think or change their way of handling hackers. They will at best rage against the host that kicked them, at worst don't give a **** and go play in another room. -
I am personally being kicked in 2 rooms out of 3.
Because I restarted an account, and I am quite good, I put like 70 % headshots, or even 80 %, so people think I cheat.
Everytime 4 or 5 of the opponents say I cheat, and I'm being kicked. Sometimes my own teamate kick me because I get the ace, and their pride can't take it, because a sergeant is better than them, but they didn't understand that the rank doesn't mean anything.
Sometimes I am in 1 vs 6, I kill the 6 guys, with like 5 headshots, or even 6, but I play concentrated, with the sound, my intuition, I look where my mates died, I walk, I put my volume to the maximum, trying to hear every footsteps or switchs/reload. I play tactically, and after I managed the 1 vs 6, I make my team win, I am really happy, and BAAAOM : "You've been kicked By Vote kick. No effects on your records. No further penalty".
So I can't even finish a game, so I can't earn XP, so I can't level up, and people keep thinking I cheat because of my low level.
I said all of that, just to show you that even if the 8 opponents think somebody's cheating, that can be false. And abusive kicks against clean players and few kick against real cheater will continue untill people manage to make the difference between a good player and a cheater. And untill high ranked people will have this little egoistic pride, thinking they're always the best and that nobody can beat them, and that if somebody does, then this guy is a cheater.......
Well, it is not the vote kick system that admin should change, but the CrossFire players
. I mean, like punish abusive kicks.
For exemple, they could choose some "moderators In game", a high number of In game moderators, bsed on confidence, people admins can trust, and choose like 500-700 Moderators, old players, ESL/WOGL players that we're sure they're trusted, and active players, and allow them to kick players when they wan it, or make their vote count like 5 votes (or I don't know), or allow them to ban players from a server, for a period of time, or ban him from all the servers, for like 15 minutes, twice a day, or something like that.
That would be cool, that would make people change. And if moderators abuse of their powers, then the Admins just take them of, and kick them for a period or 7 days or more.
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