Has some MoD remove the article?
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[MOD]Kelathe wrote: »But before you question our tasks, let me ask you something. Would you enjoy seeing constant news being shown in every media of wars, famine, diseases, murders, and more, and see that ever single day? Or would you want it removed because it has a negative impact on your emotions? Essentially that is what the hack threads are in crossfire, we limit such so that the environment is happier and appealing. It doesn't mean we are ignoring them.
What person in their right mind would want to live in delusion? The more publicity bad things get, and the more complaining that happens because of it, the more the people who have the power will be influenced into actually doing something about it.[MOD]Kelathe wrote: »You seem to fail to grasp that, I, like you am a typical crossfire player. I do not sit in some fancy office in the Z8 building while I speak to you
Oh, and if you post any sort of hack related thread, your just banned from the forums. No ifs, ands, or butts. I'm tempted to adopt their method.
Because you have the power to do that, right?
Basing off previous scheduling, you should still be on probation. If that's true, you don't even have the power to properly delete threads at this point.
So, you DON'T work in the G4box office, yet you have the power to decide their forum policy? YAKBRO.[MOD]Kelathe wrote: »"If you ban more than they joined, we should have less complain, right?"
I love this comment, totally priceless. Lets see you keep your eyes open 24/7 on volunteer and see how long you last.
Fine, give me MOD powers. Garunteed I'll do a better job than half of the MODs that G4 has had.
Unless you are prepared to follow through, don't through up situations that have no analogy values/can't actually happen. I'll be waiting on those MOD powers.[MOD]Kelathe wrote: »As for your forum thing, yes, I do in fact come to these forums to relax and commute, not listen to a bunch of kids spamming the same thread over and over. I don't need that kind of ****. I get enough of that through daily life thank you.
So don't read it. Since you've obviously made it clear that you'd rather live in some form of delusion where nothing is wrong, then fine. But don't expect peopel to do the work for you.
I didn't realize that it was THAT HARD to NOT click on a thread, and NOT read it.
His english isn't terrible, you have **** comprehension skills if you can't understand it to the point where you have a headache.[MOD]Kelathe wrote: »I'd respond to more, but your poor grammar and english is giving me a terrible headache to not pull my hair out. Which, I can probably guess is because english isn't your main language, but its tiring all the same.
All I get from this is blatant unprofessionalism on your part. You actually took an agressive stance against someone who, from what I've read, hasn't posted ANYTHING in a provocative manner.
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Thank you Saidin,
It's something that people will simply not understand.
I don't know if it's because of a language barrier or it might be the lack of intelligence.
Regardless the reason, they will never understand the fact that Mods are not developers
nor the fact that z8 if I'm correct about this is nothing more than a mean for users to access the game, and game related forums/announcements etc.
Also Saidin, I know you're a very busy person and probably have hundreds of private messages. Could you maybe look for one sent by me? Regarding a UID number? Thanks in advance.
Kelatheu , You're a great mod, I've seen mods get so frustrated over people's ignorance and I really have to say that you handled it with great professionalism and respect. Glad to see good mods in the community. I also sent you the exact same private message regarding a UID number, since you were also online at the time. Could you maybe look into it when ever you get a chance? Thanks Greatly appreciate it -
Get your **** together.
Heh for someone spouting such, after reviewing a good number of your stuff, you really should practice what you preach.
If you read the rules:
[1.1.3] Responsibility of Actions
All actions taken on an account are the responsibility of its owner. This includes but is not limited to, hacking, acting in an excessively negative nature and abusing bugs.
According to many reports you'd done this an umpteenth amount of times yourself. I'm in a good mood today, take advantage of that. -
Basing off previous scheduling, you should still be on probation. If that's true, you don't even have the power to properly delete threads at this point.
So, you DON'T work in the G4box office, yet you have the power to decide their forum policy? YAKBRO.
FYI, the mod conduct previously says that posts about hackers, hacks, hackusations etc can be removed and posters can be infracted if they so choose. The MODS DO help us with forum policy since they have to live on here as much as you do.
Also, side note. Mods cannot fully remove. All threads they delete are soft deleted. At any point a GM can come along and look at an action a mod did. This is for theirs and yours accountability.
To address your first point, publicity even about bad things is not always a bad thing. But 2500 threads is worse than 1 post with 2500 posts. We see the forums, the opinions here DO make a difference. But 50 threads on the same subject doesn't get anywhere.
It should also be noted that a lot of players seem to be under the impression the mods don't relay information. They do that all the time. In fact if it wasn't for a mod a thread like this would probably get ignored by someone higher up. But now you have some simple responses and explanations. So either deal with that, or face further stuff from the moderators.
We do see threads, and we specifically see threads through the mods. So publicity IS a good thing (for all types of issues). As I've said in the past, it will always be easier to complain than compliment. But redundant threads is just redundant.Fine, give me MOD powers. Garunteed I'll do a better job than half of the MODs that G4 has had.
You haven't been able to prove this to the people who hand out those powers. For posts like the ones I'm quoting from.
You don't have to agree with everything we do. But there is a decorum that you have to have. A respect for the rules, a respect for your peers, a respect for the effort that people around you are exerting. Which you completely lack. -
At last you come to response. Good sign. MoD kelathe has emphasized that he is a normal player and volunteer. I can only say, nothing new, no further respect I can express, and at last I am talking with wrong person.
My whole point is, z8 did the work, but need to change some strategy in this campaign.[GM]Saidin wrote: »1: We talk about hackers almost every day. We post about the hacking situation almost every day. We are not obligated nor have the time to tell you (the public) about every little nuance that happens in our quest to slow down hacking.
It is not our fault you do not read our posts. We are not obligated to make a new one every 10 minutes because now is the time you decided to read the forums.
Yes, you have to talk about hackers everyday. But you need not to mention it is x-trap's job to stop hacking. Do ask me who said that, ask your MoD.
Maybe mostly correct, but the public impression is z8 not cares about it.
So you did your job, and you give impression to public that you don't care. Does that mean you need to change strategy?
Nuance can ruin whole thing. MoD need to be careful about what they said. Even though you do want to avoid a topic.
For the post about hackers, reply "thanks for the report, we are working on it", is quite different from "nothing new, hacker is always there".
It is not my post being deleted this time, and till now, I know I am not against any rule here.[GM]Saidin wrote: »2. There is no point in talking about hackers. More to the point, there is no point in talking about hackers every 5 minutes by making a new thread on the subject.
If you want to talk about hackers, why did you feel the need to create a new thread, even though the one you were "reading" was removed. There are still plenty of places to talk about hackers that don't involve: "Hey look at me, I have my hand up, I should be heard cause I want to rip z8games and hate the hacking situation".
Every 5 minutes there is a different person make a new thread. That is bad..... No one want to see it. But lots of player get upset in the game, if they can not talk it here, should they go to other forum to talk about it?
Today I start the thread because I feel it incorrect to delete a thread. I have seen the insulting thread closed but not deleted, I have seen showing off thread still going, I have seen spam thread here and there, but just can't imagine who is the rule breaker to make the thread be removed, and what he did?
Then it comes back to the question, why MoD want to make such a decision to make me think they don't want us to talking about hackers?[GM]Saidin wrote: »3. These are starting to become redundant. And boring. And this is exactly why these threads get removed. They say nothing new. We are well aware of the situation. In 4 or 5 questions, you've managed to say the exact same thing over and over again.
It is not our fault that the people of this community seem to have extreme ADD and can't understand the ridiculousness of what they keep posting. We are cleaning these threads for the sake of the boards, not because we're dead set against you posting something about hacking. Just post it all in one of the many threads and be done with it. Keep the discussion intelligent instead of "omg z8 doesn't ban hackers and this is the 5th time today I need to say that" and the thread won't be removed.
You want to see ridiculous posting? Read "I have met your classmate in the game", "I am back you guys prepare for it", "It is another normal day", anything meaningful? And how many times they are repeated?
And really, do you think people should post as less as possible in a forum? Then just close it.[GM]Saidin wrote: »4. Players like you won't ever have signatures. For the exact reason you posted that ridiculous image.
Yeah, ridiculous. That is impression MoD gives me. In fact, I can't stop thinking about it when I saw most of MoD's posting.
And do you really think I want to put it in my signature? The humor will not be a humor after I repeat it one hundred times ---- glad?[GM]Saidin wrote: »5. We ban hackers every day. In the hundreds if not thousands. We've stated this a million times on the boards. Again, it is not our fault that the moment you wanted to come to these forums there wasn't an immediate pop up window that says "Z8Games Has Read 150 reports today and issued bans for all players". Something like that is never going to happen.
If the way it works still like this, I guarantee you will still be busy with banning and being complained all day, unless you shut down the forum, or only allow those who post whatever you like in the forum.
Use filtering code to scan replay (because a MoD mentioned you are still replaying them all day, I suppose you don't have a scanner), and set up a rule to encourage the community report more precisely.
Would you give a guide on how you detect a hacker based on replay, and in what kind of situation, even replay submitted, reviewer can not make decision. This might ease your job a lot, but do we have any official post like that?
Overall, what I can say, you worked hard, I have see some improvement, I know x-trap is good in block hackers, but there are still a lot of players think z8 not cares...... You don't like this kind of complain, but the more you are trying to stop it using the current method.
You guys deserve to be respected for the work you have done, but I can not show my respect on this problem. -
[MOD]Kelathe wrote: »Heh for someone spouting such, after reviewing a good number of your stuff, you really should practice what you preach.
If you read the rules:
[1.1.3] Responsibility of Actions
All actions taken on an account are the responsibility of its owner. This includes but is not limited to, hacking, acting in an excessively negative nature and abusing bugs.
According to many reports you'd done this an umpteenth amount of times yourself. I'm in a good mood today, take advantage of that.
Wait, so POINTING OUT NEGATIVE FACTS is acting negative?
The VAST MAJORITY of posts made by me, if not ALL of them, are facts that stupid people take as insults because they don't know how to accept them as reality.
Go find 10 posts of mine that are not facts. Unless you're saying that if someone posts G4Box's stock chart, they'll get banned for negativity.[GM]Saidin wrote: »FYI, the mod conduct previously says that posts about hackers, hacks, hackusations etc can be removed and posters can be infracted if they so choose. The MODS DO help us with forum policy since they have to live on here as much as you do.
Whether or not they can HELP with policy is irrelevant. Kelathe made a blanket statement that SEVERLY implied that he was in total control of forum policy. Re-read his post.[GM]Saidin wrote: »Also, side note. Mods cannot fully remove. All threads they delete are soft deleted. At any point a GM can come along and look at an action a mod did. This is for theirs and yours accountability.
I should have been more clear with my post. I was referring to an innability to delete threads at ALL, my wording was ****.[GM]Saidin wrote: »To address your first point, publicity even about bad things is not always a bad thing. But 2500 threads is worse than 1 post with 2500 posts. We see the forums, the opinions here DO make a difference. But 50 threads on the same subject doesn't get anywhere.
You say this, and yet no MOD has yet to look at the Barracks section AND LOOK AT THE STICKIED THREADS.
Seriously. Kind of obvious. Check out stickied threads in Barrack plz, and if a solution isn't thought of then I'll be sad.[GM]Saidin wrote: »
You haven't been able to prove this to the people who hand out those powers. For posts like the ones I'm quoting from.
You don't have to agree with everything we do. But there is a decorum that you have to have. A respect for the rules, a respect for your peers, a respect for the effort that people around you are exerting. Which you completely lack.
Whether or not you believe I have the social etiquette required for MOD is IRRELEVANT. Did you read the section of that post? My point was that by using a situation (not an analogy) that won't happen as an argument is just flat out stupid. Something that he did. So my POST was to SHOW HIM that HE was BEING STUPID. NOT because I wanted to MODERATE.
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Wait, so POINTING OUT NEGATIVE FACTS is acting negative?
The VAST MAJORITY of posts made by me, if not ALL of them, are facts that stupid people take as insults because they don't know how to accept them as reality.
Go find 10 posts of mine that are not facts. Unless you're saying that if someone posts G4Box's stock chart, they'll get banned for negativity.
Whether or not you believe I have the social etiquette required for MOD is IRRELEVANT. Did you read the section of that post? My point was that by using a situation (not an analogy) that won't happen as an argument is just flat out stupid. Something that he did. So my POST was to SHOW HIM that HE was BEING STUPID. NOT because I wanted to MODERATE.
*I capitalized key words for ya!
And I just underlined where you proved my statements. I don't see how you can prove my exact intelligence as fact without actually knowing my GPA, previous grades and all that jazz. So your flame there once again shows your extreme negativity to the forums. I would have thought someone as 'smart' as you would have taken care to avoid such.
To some, I was being quite intelligent, to you apparently it was otherwise. So I suppose that merely makes it your opinion.
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[MOD]Kelathe wrote: »And I just underlined where you proved my statements. I don't see how you can prove my exact intelligence as fact without actually knowing my GPA, previous grades and all that jazz. So your flame there once again shows your extreme negativity to the forums. I would have thought someone as 'smart' as you would have taken care to avoid such.
To some, I was being quite intelligent, to you apparently it was otherwise. So I suppose that merely makes it your opinion.
This seems to be a common occurrence you usually try and mask in with your arguments.
Don't BE STUPID. BEING STUPID in ONE SITUATION does NOT mean that you are ALWAYS STUPID.
I NEVER TRIED to PROVE your EXACT INTELLIGENCE.
And regardless, I proved in that situation that you WERE being stupid. So it's fact.
EDIT: To add onto what I just said, you refrence GRADES as a representation of INTELLIGENCE?
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kelathe, when has grades decided someones intelligence. My father left school when he was 13, without any state exams or without going to school most of the time. Instead he started working on farms / factories etc wherever he was successful. When he was 23 he set up his own company, which was extremely successful during the celtic tiger. Of course the Irish Economy as declined dramatically, but he's an amazing businessman. I'm studying law & businness at Trinity College Ireland, and my dad had NO EDUCATION and is an extrondinary entreprenaur.
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I NEVER TRIED to PROVE your EXACT INTELLIGENCE.kelathe, when has grades decided someones intelligence.
Guys read this
, I have predicted it.Please just stay into the topic and discuss. From when did we start to talk about MoD's intelligence? Even you know it, we need not to discuss it, it is nothing new.
Let's stop to talk about it (edit: sorry I mean the intelligence). They might already know the problem themselves, but they just don't want to talk about it. Let them think, no matter how intelligent we are, we need time to think, right? They might just need longer time. -
Don't BE STUPID. BEING STUPID in ONE SITUATION does NOT mean that you are ALWAYS STUPID.
I NEVER TRIED to PROVE your EXACT INTELLIGENCE.
And regardless, I proved in that situation that you WERE being stupid. So it's fact.
EDIT: To add onto what I just said, you refrence GRADES as a representation of INTELLIGENCE?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The grades thing was merely an example as SOME people actually do use that to measure intelligence, education is an important part of intelligence. Otherwise, as stated its your OPINION only, since of course you can't have any actual solid evidence otherwise. I could say you are being stupid. What does that prove? Nothing since its an opinion.
And no, you didn't 'prove' anything. Just assumptions like always. What you did prove in your childishly bold red letters, was showing immature you actually seem to be, on top of what was mentioned before.
Your 'hotshot' remarks aren't really being all that impressive. -
[MOD]Kelathe wrote: »The grades thing was merely an example as SOME people actually do use that to measure intelligence, education is an important part of intelligence. Otherwise, as stated its your OPINION only, since of course you can't have any actual solid evidence otherwise. I could say you are being stupid. What does that prove? Nothing since its an opinion.
And no, you didn't 'prove' anything. Just assumptions like always. What you did prove in your childishly bold red letters, was showing immature you actually seem to be, on top of what was mentioned before.
Your 'hotshot' remarks aren't really being all that impressive.
Now rage comes and we are totally out of topic.
We need to talk about attitude and solutions. Anyway, I have already made my point. It is up to you to close the thread to avoid further rage. -
Now rage comes and we are totally out of topic.
We need to talk about attitude and solutions. Anyway, I have already made my point. It is up to you to close the thread to avoid further rage.
Before the thread closes, I just wanted to say I agree with you, and I think that certain MODs do abuse their power sometimes (no names mentioned). OK, you can give me an infraction now because I just "insulted" somebody.
No, I don't think that Kelathe abuses power, although what's the point of a forum if you can get an infraction for posting your opinion? -
As requested the thread will be closed.
Following Zeke's and Ghost's statements;
I apologize for the thread going off topic. Something that should be done through alternative means such as PM's.
Second, opinions are greatly welcomed, but if they are in a manner that is degrading to specific individuals or groups, thats generally not the way to go. Its okay to disagree, its not okay to insult somebody while disagreeing. Fact, opinion, or otherwise.
That being said, the hack issue will continue to be looked upon as always for better and improved solutions so that there is less distress on both ends.
This discussion has been closed.
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