wiki leaks guy

Dagnastier wrote: »

But we must earn them, I think.

And God knows the keys to the secret garden are something really tough to earn.

God doesnt have keys to his doors- But the reason a door is locked is to hide/stop something being taken? More than that it is to keep something a secret from someone else? Why you need to be secretive is the foundation of who & what you are?

DUKEofYORK wrote: »

God doesnt have keys to his doors- But the reason a door is locked is to hide/stop something being taken? More than that it is to keep something a secret from someone else? Why you need to be secretive is the foundation of who & what you are?

There are many reasons a secret should be kept, for personal reasons and on a personal level. Note that in a perfect society and with perfect people secrets should be a thing of the past, but it isn't. I believe you are old enough to understand this fact. We do not demand you to expose your own secrets in this field, and in return we keep some facts to ourselves.

Why? Because we aren't always keen to exposure and the consequences of it. It all comes down to respect one's decision to preserve things unless the individual is trustworthy. I personally don't require someone to fully trust me, I can only prove it through actions. We aren't perfect, even as hard as we try to be, we aren't designed to be such things.

aimoperative wrote: »

Orly?

not that it matters i've read them while you were asleep.

cuase i live in your closet.

Please don't tell anyone what I'm doing when the lights go blank...

Dag..

I know this sir. Tis a shame but tis true:( But my intention was to try to steer towards the roots of all evil. In an innocent way:) "But in a perfect world" as we who are half-pure and humane would like to believe is a possibility, secret thoughts would in them self be a path to damnation. Is why the term "original sin" is the first step. And we have come a long long way. I have looked my whole life and still cant find the "right path" but I aint gonna give up now:) I hear your footsteps occasionally on my road./ So maybe we are getting there eh?

Dagnastier wrote: »

Good will and intentions pave the way to reason and happiness. We aren't quite there and we shouldn't cloud ourselves in bitterness all the time. We are the works of our own beliefs, but still hope remains, and hope is what is holding us tightly together, whether we are white, black or asian, we are still holding tightly to that belief, that conviction. I do not and never believe we are hopeless, I do know the world as a whole is not the best place to live and to share dreams, but we make do with what we have.

I have seen wisdom in every human I have treated because I implicitly treated them as such. I know secrets are just a mean to protect ourselves from our inner core which hides many treasures. But our world is ruled by many untruthful hands and I, as an aware human being, I have to fight through it. I know the reasons, I know the consequences but I am not willing to submit arms anytime soon.

I am just an imperfect human being, and my imperfections will make me so perfect towards the eyes of the people I love the most. That's the beauty of life.

best thing i've heard.

used it against some jerk who insulted more than actually debated.

he shut up quite promptly.

DUKEofYORK wrote: »

I do appreciate a voice in the wilderness that shows us a door that opens the way to "HOPE" As I said before, our paths may be inter-twined:) And also the path to truth and understanding, understandably is a road that is not oft travelled. The way is wrought with tricks and treachery and mis-placed promises. And this strange world is made stranger for a simple reason, that is to hide the truth. I dont wish to point you towards conspiracy theories... etc. Just to look in your heart and see the reality. Is all down to choice.

neither is the path of common sense these days...or maturity...or logic...

(bloody kicking noobs)

DUKEofYORK wrote: »

I do appreciate a voice in the wilderness that shows us a door that opens the way to "HOPE" As I said before, our paths may be inter-twined:) And also the path to truth and understanding, understandably is a road that is not oft travelled. The way is wrought with tricks and treachery and mis-placed promises. And this strange world is made stranger for a simple reason, that is to hide the truth. I dont wish to point you towards conspiracy theories... etc. Just to look in your heart and see the reality. Is all down to choice.

And believe me, the path of truth is not always about the wealthy sum of truths we might encounter, but also the quality of the people we bring along that road of wisdom. I am a just voice among many others, I am seemingly alone in my own definition but I do not stray from my road. But we aren't meant to be alone in this journey. Yet it is hard to grasp for many people because many people are struck with fear for various reasons. And these understandably hard reasons are often an excuse to shy away for the real reasons. Yet a figure such as me, and many others, are often felt obliged through humility to accept them, even if they are just fears that aren't really justified.


So I stand alone, I seek the own truth since I feel I am alone in my own journey. What I find is shocking but I have no one to rely to discuss these things, I am left with people who aren't keen to listen, I am left with people too much absorbed with their own problems to really open their minds to the world. People who are thinking more about their own problems to realize they are not alone and certainly the world's problems are somehow bigger.

But it isn't given to anyone and I mostly always feel alone thinking about it while the others think about their own persona instead of sharing it to me, even if we are friends and even beyond. Yet I persist and I will continue to do so because it is what I am, what defines me, and if no one takes notice well it isn't important anyway. I am my own man and if I shall remain alone the rest of my life but find the truth and inspire people to take actions and change the whole society, then my life would have meant something. And I will trade my clumsy love life for this one chance to really change the world.

And to those of you who might be keen on calling me a delusional dreamer, well go do your homeworks, I know more than the usual mortal... and I know more about love and how deceitful and selfish it is... but I guess it is only convenient when it suits us.....

I do love, but what is love if it's one-sided, really...

I am bitter, but this is just me, and there bigger preoccupations than my own self, I can take it, even if it makes me more bitter in the end.

I along with other like-minded souls, would love to hear some more rational in-put. Some pointers that are not from fear but truth and a stand-point to the fears we are all having to fight. If you gain any insight from these posts, then share it and stand up for your inner soul, it is why you are here.

MikeyMunzta wrote: »

the truth is america is bull**** about the war

move on to the rest of it then...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJiCU6Jw0Co

kind of off topic

does anyone feel like the world is ''changing''


like

i just finished watching the zeitgeist addendum and it totally changed my point of view of life, i know like 100 other people who have watched it and they're acting 100% different.

Is my in-put needed? NOPE:(

Let's not forget about Bradley Manning. He gave Wikileaks the documents, and is paying the price. He has been kept in solitary confinement for seven months, a practice that most of the civilized world regards as torture, and this torture is being committed in our name with our money. He made this possible, and if you support Wikileaks, you need to support their sources.

Free Manning.

V3RTeX wrote: »

Let's not forget about Bradley Manning. He gave Wikileaks the documents, and is paying the price. He has been kept in solitary confinement for seven months, a practice that most of the civilized world regards as torture, and this torture is being committed in our name with our money. He made this possible, and if you support Wikileaks, you need to support their sources.

Free Manning.

You can't just free someone who stole a fcklot of secret documents.


And I'm pretty sure you'd want to be in solitary instead of out with the other guys if you had done it too..

V3RTeX wrote: »

1.) "Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul

Of course they can't free him, but the crime he committed is negligible compared to the crimes committed by the US government in our name with our money. This is because...

"The very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society. Inherently and historically, we as a people are opposed to secret proceedings and concealment." - John F Kennedy.

Listen to the two people cited above, they have a far greater understanding of what's at stake than either of us.

2.) No, he does not need to be kept in solitary. This guy is practically a folk hero and I bet the other prisoners would respect him for giving the finger to the man.

I also congratulate you on the second post you ever made that wasn't complete drivel despite the fact you're wrong.

Crimes committed can't be comprehended yet as the full effects of the publication (which granted isn't Bradleys fault, but as an accessory) are yet to be shown.


It only takes one prisoner that doesn't respect what we did. Which is why he needs the protection in form of solitary.

[MOD]dot wrote: »

Crimes committed can't be comprehended yet as the full effects of the publication (which granted isn't Bradleys fault, but as an accessory) are yet to be shown.


It only takes one prisoner that doesn't respect what we did. Which is why he needs the protection in form of solitary.

True, we do not know what will happen because of this, but it can only be good.

Second, there is ALWAYS the risk that one prison will kill another and I doubt Julian's risk is any higher. Also, it is slightly worse than just solitary confinement, he is also watch 24/7 and not allowed to exercise or do anything really. This is torture, and condoning it makes you part of the problem.

read: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/14/manning/index.html

[MOD]dot wrote: »

If you think nothing bad can come out of this then you're pretty blatantly naive.

What could possibly happen? Wikileaks hasn't released any tactical or strategic data. So far, at least, all of the information is simply very embarrassing to the people in power because it exposes all of their backroom dealings.

Find me one 'casualty' caused by wikileaks...

[MOD]dot wrote: »

Oh damn, thanks for that link. Hes in a military detention center. Everyone there is military then? Friends of friends on the field, friends of soldiers dead, more than happy to kill, what in their eyes is a homosexual traitor.
Seems very reasonable to put him in solitary.

Military prisons are nothing like civilian prisons. I'm pretty sure you don't see any of that type of violence. Also, he hasn't gotten anyone killed, and I'm sure most of the people in military prison don't really care for the government much anyway...