do something about the voting system
the story goes like this:
today after two days of not playing because of being fed up, I decided to play a bit;
first game / match = ghost mode, I was global risk - after a few rounds I got kicked while my score was 14k / 7d !?
next game / match = ghost mode, I was black list - in the 2nd round I reached 5k / 1d with the shovel and got kicked at the end of the round
all the noob starters can and do kick anyone who can make a kill, no matter if black list or global risk, no matter if hacker or not, they are just abusing of the votes; they even get out of the game and join again so they can kick me.
what is this? how lame can this game get?
do something about this, as this game is no longer enjoyable.
today after two days of not playing because of being fed up, I decided to play a bit;
first game / match = ghost mode, I was global risk - after a few rounds I got kicked while my score was 14k / 7d !?
next game / match = ghost mode, I was black list - in the 2nd round I reached 5k / 1d with the shovel and got kicked at the end of the round
all the noob starters can and do kick anyone who can make a kill, no matter if black list or global risk, no matter if hacker or not, they are just abusing of the votes; they even get out of the game and join again so they can kick me.
what is this? how lame can this game get?
do something about this, as this game is no longer enjoyable.
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I have to agree. As I said in another suggestion, sometimes it is the host that is doing the bad things. Fixing the vote system starts with having people who do not vote not have their votes count. I've seen too many legitimate votes fail because non voters suddenly get counted as no votes. It took me two tries this morning just to kick one column camper on my team. It's just sad.***N3kRo*** wrote: »it would be the same if u make host the only guy to kick ppl...
sooner or later u will open another thread to say u r getting kicked... -
Well the community sucks that's the problem. They F12 the hackers so they can make them win, and kick the legit players because maybe they're jealous.
The vote system isn't bugged/rigged. Its not perfect, but neither is any other system. Its the community who abuses it. -
So true! Hackers/bug abusers so often get away with their cheating, while legitimate players will get kicked for being too good (or too bad >.<). There definitely needs to be some sort of change, either to the voting system, or just better rule enforcement by Z8.
Having played many MMO's over the years, none has had as rampant of cheating as Crossfire does. This is a good game at its core, and I'd hate to stop playing it, but something needs to be done to weed out all the cheaters. -
I know. I'm sitting here thinking of the options, and none of them would really address the problem of people actively voting to keep a cheater in the match. Some of them would worsen the situation (no kick vote at all, only officer ranks can vote kick, etc.).L0LSmilyFace wrote: »The vote system isn't bugged/rigged. Its not perfect, but neither is any other system. Its the community who abuses it. -
I totally agree im done with this crap i barely even got to finish two games and im tired of the crap that goes on and i agree if only the host can kik people then it would be better at least then SOME game would actually finish until then Z8 games i hope you ****ing **** keeps sucking ass cause you ****ing crap is wasting my time wasting like really your failure to keep things in check kills the game enjoy your future flop
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L0LSmilyFace wrote: »Well there's ways to decrease the frustration.
Keep your GP
Keep your EXP
Keep your kills/deaths/headshots/grenade, knife kills etc...
If people don't vote, dont count it as F12. That's what bugs me the most >.<I have to agree. As I said in another suggestion, sometimes it is the host that is doing the bad things. Fixing the vote system starts with having people who do not vote not have their votes count. I've seen too many legitimate votes fail because non voters suddenly get counted as no votes. It took me two tries this morning just to kick one column camper on my team. It's just sad.
You're an idiot. This will make things worse. This thread is not about making it easier to vote kick people because noobs like you can't play. It's about making it harder to vote kick since noobs like you try to kick people.
People don't vote BECAUSE it counts as F12. You're just making more work for people. If it's a legitimate cheater wait until people actually notice them to kick them. If you see them on your team but the other team hasn't yet they're not going to (hopefully) kick someone for no reason, that's what we're trying to prevent. Wait until a few people on their team are telling you to kick him 'cause he's in a column and then you'll get a better vote outcome. If they don't mention it they're idiots and deserve to die by another idiot then. -
Don't use a shovel.
Why are you telling him not to use the only good weapon on GM? Shovel is the only way to go short of giving all ghosts a clickable AoE insta kill.
Axe is underpowered and knife is incredibly underpowered. You can't always kill them when they should be dead.
Bhop is overpowered though and should be removed from game or at least nerfed. A good Bhopper can get to even the best soldier and kill them without the soldier doing much about it. Something needs to change about that but I'm not entirely sure what and I don't think it will ever happen. -
Baseless and unwarranted attack aside, I don't kick vote unless I see something wrong (glitch, bug, etc.). I don't care if someone swears, insults my mom, or does anything that doesn't affect the round/match/game. Your lack of knowledge of why I tried to vote kick someone who was clearly cheating within the match is certainly not shown by the words you use. You write as if you were there. I initiated the vote when the other team mentioned it, then I ran to the column, circled it to be sure they were not crying, and placed the vote. It was 9-1 until the last second, and went 9-7 and failed (apparently the vote kick vote count uses Florida election rules). I do not know what world you live in, but my experience in this one is that if you are too lazy to vote you do not count. It is that simple. Unlike you, I think the integrity of the game matters. I believe in things like honor and fair play. And I am trying to see how we can make it so the game doesn't suffer under the weight of those who cheat.PurityDeath wrote: »You're an idiot. This will make things worse. This thread is not about making it easier to vote kick people because noobs like you can't play. It's about making it harder to vote kick since noobs like you try to kick people.
People don't vote BECAUSE it counts as F12. You're just making more work for people. If it's a legitimate cheater wait until people actually notice them to kick them. If you see them on your team but the other team hasn't yet they're not going to (hopefully) kick someone for no reason, that's what we're trying to prevent. Wait until a few people on their team are telling you to kick him 'cause he's in a column and then you'll get a better vote outcome. If they don't mention it they're idiots and deserve to die by another idiot then. -
PurityDeath wrote: »Why are you telling him not to use the only good weapon on GM? Shovel is the only way to go short of giving all ghosts a clickable AoE insta kill.
Axe is underpowered and knife is incredibly underpowered. You can't always kill them when they should be dead.
Bhop is overpowered though and should be removed from game or at least nerfed. A good Bhopper can get to even the best soldier and kill them without the soldier doing much about it. Something needs to change about that but I'm not entirely sure what and I don't think it will ever happen.
Do you realize what you're saying?
Axe is NOT underpowered and without Bhop, BL would have no chance against pinpointers.
Gtfo. -
I don't think he does. I had a 7 day axe, and got called a "hacker" because I was getting one hit kills in GM. Heck, I've gotten head shots with a knife. I'm certainly not in the same stratosphere as some of the GM players, I've seen some pretty amazing legitimate kills on both sides. I've been on the wrong end of more than a few of them.Do you realize what you're saying?
Axe is NOT underpowered and without Bhop, BL would have no chance against pinpointers.
Gtfo. -
EXCUSE ME? I myself happen to be an moderately good GM player. ( Check clan tab - search _*SK*_ )PurityDeath wrote: »Why are you telling him not to use the only good weapon on GM? Shovel is the only way to go short of giving all ghosts a clickable AoE insta kill.
Axe is underpowered and knife is incredibly underpowered. You can't always kill them when they should be dead.
Bhop is overpowered though and should be removed from game or at least nerfed. A good Bhopper can get to even the best soldier and kill them without the soldier doing much about it. Something needs to change about that but I'm not entirely sure what and I don't think it will ever happen.
And the shovel. IS NOT THE ONLY WAY TO KILL. The shovel is just the most annoying one. How fun do you think it is when a insane bhopper (that gets to you and kills you with axe before you hear him) takes his shovel out, and suddenly all you hear is a shovel *Whoop* 2 secs after you died from the shovel?
There is an reason why most of the good GM clans banned the shovel usage.
Point proven, axe is good. JUST LEARN TO AIM.
Then again. Think about this. I can hear an ghost with breath down from aprox 10m. it takes me like 0.3secs (tried to count it from replays) to get my AWM aimed and shot at the ghost.
Now. Think if the ability of bhop was ereased. No ghosts would EVER stand a chance against a decent PP-er. Not eaven with the full noobcombo Shovel + BD + Spop + Armours.
(No, I don't say SPOP is for noobs. It just belongs in the noobcombo (I didn't invent the noobcombo, don't ask me. ))
Point proven - Get to learn some PP and Bhop before you the Spade is the only way to kill.
Most epic scores (the ones I remember = The most recent ones) :
55-1 with DE only & 32-8 on Metro with a knife only (GR) + many more
60-3 with AXE on BL & 27-0 with Knife on BL + many more -
L0LSmilyFace wrote: »
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If people don't vote, dont count it as F12. That's what bugs me the most >.<
(+) 1 on this
the voting system is like this 50%+1 of total players that vote or not decides if a player gets kicked, while the way you are saying would be 50%+1 of total players that vote (f11 or f12).
this way we could get rid of hackers a lot easier when they join our room
(-) 1 on this
but also would mean that good and skilled players will get kicked a lot easier... and at least I am getting this a lot already, like I get kicked from about 5-6 out of 10 matches, and even the rest 4-5 ones I get voted a lot, but either the players press f12 or don`t press anything / don`t vote..
so I believe that having a sort of rank limit for being allowed to kick would be a bit better (perhaps), because a ranked player has (normally) enough experience to distinguish between a hacker and a good player, this would stop all the starters (smiling faces in game :P) to just join a room and kick the ace from their team directly. because I got that a lot. the 2nd second they joined the room -> they voted me straight away :S -
LMAO I come back to read the forum (can't be assed to play this game this lately with the little runts running wild with the kick vote), and see a thread about kick voting being abused and the solution a few think would help is making it easier for morons to kick people.
Y'all comedians:)
Make f11's worth a quarter of a f12 is the solution. -
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Baseless and unwarranted attack aside, I don't kick vote unless I see something wrong (glitch, bug, etc.). I don't care if someone swears, insults my mom, or does anything that doesn't affect the round/match/game. Your lack of knowledge of why I tried to vote kick someone who was clearly cheating within the match is certainly not shown by the words you use. You write as if you were there. I initiated the vote when the other team mentioned it, then I ran to the column, circled it to be sure they were not crying, and placed the vote. It was 9-1 until the last second, and went 9-7 and failed (apparently the vote kick vote count uses Florida election rules). I do not know what world you live in, but my experience in this one is that if you are too lazy to vote you do not count. It is that simple. Unlike you, I think the integrity of the game matters. I believe in things like honor and fair play. And I am trying to see how we can make it so the game doesn't suffer under the weight of those who cheat.
That's fine, people who don't vote want the vote to fail. Erego: 9:7 = not kicked. For whatever their reasoning is.
I had a column camper that was just spawn killing everyone the other day in Egypt. Every person on my team was complaining but no one on the other team would even put them up for vote. Why? Hacker = Win for daily.
Is it fair? No. Is it set up how it's supposed to be? Yes. Is how it's set up and supposed to be right? Of course not. Vote kick is ONLY abused and should be completely removed from game. Hackers should be banned. End of story. -
Do you realize what you're saying?
Axe is NOT underpowered and without Bhop, BL would have no chance against pinpointers.
Gtfo.
I never Bhop. I'm usually the top on ghost team just with an axe. So don't give me that BS. The problem is when I reach people I can't kill them even when I should be able to since I'm right next to them, hitting them in the face.
On soldier side a good Bhopper can just backwards ret.ard jump right up to me and hit me without me seeing or hearing them. That isn't fair play IMO and a reason I won't even attempt to learn how to Bhop. I think it's bullsh.it.
There are multiple ways to kill pinpointers. Get the drop on them. Force them to make noise or attack them when it's noisy. Not being fu.cking ret.arded like 90% of ghosts and actually planting the bomb and forcing them to rush instead of camp helps.
I know exactly what I'm saying and I know how to make GM balanced. Again, it's just too bad it won't ever happen.EXCUSE ME? I myself happen to be an moderately good GM player. ( Check clan tab - search _*SK*_ )
And the shovel. IS NOT THE ONLY WAY TO KILL. The shovel is just the most annoying one. How fun do you think it is when a insane bhopper (that gets to you and kills you with axe before you hear him) takes his shovel out, and suddenly all you hear is a shovel *Whoop* 2 secs after you died from the shovel?
There is an reason why most of the good GM clans banned the shovel usage.
Point proven, axe is good. JUST LEARN TO AIM.
Then again. Think about this. I can hear an ghost with breath down from aprox 10m. it takes me like 0.3secs (tried to count it from replays) to get my AWM aimed and shot at the ghost.
Now. Think if the ability of bhop was ereased. No ghosts would EVER stand a chance against a decent PP-er. Not eaven with the full noobcombo Shovel + BD + Spop + Armours.
(No, I don't say SPOP is for noobs. It just belongs in the noobcombo (I didn't invent the noobcombo, don't ask me. ))
Point proven - Get to learn some PP and Bhop before you the Spade is the only way to kill.
Most epic scores (the ones I remember = The most recent ones) :
55-1 with DE only & 32-8 on Metro with a knife only (GR) + many more
60-3 with AXE on BL & 27-0 with Knife on BL + many more
I've played with Stab. Most of your guys suck.
Shovel is not the most annoying, it's the one that actually works when you should make the kills. Axe doesn't have the distance to hit people on the ramparts in Metro. Axe doesn't have the side range to hit people directly in front of you with right click.
The problem you're describing is the problem I said we need to do away with: bhoppers. I aim fine with the axe, like I said I'm usually top ghost kills without bhopping or breath down bullsh.it. The problem is when I go to hit someone or when I do reach them they should be the one that dies, not me and this isn't always the case.
Lulz@AW in GM. Again, I'm usually top with Bhopping, SPOP, Shovel or armor. Yes, pinpointers can kill me but I can kill them too. That's called fair. I'm just trying to make it more fair. Whereas I will always kill them when I get close to them instead of how it is right now and a good bhopper can't always kill a good soldier just because they're 100% invisible and unhearable while being mobile. Btw: SPOP is 100% noob. Anyone that is not a girl who is using SPOP should cut off their fu.cking **** 'cause they're being cheap for no good reason.
I'm saying bdown and bhopping is a way to kill that is cheap and should be removed from game. Without using them a shovel is the best way to kill because it has the reach to actually kill people when you take the time and ninja skills to get up to them.
If those are your scores you don't sound half bad. I wouldn't mind playing with you sometime but I think if you're bhopping and getting those scores against good soldiers you're a prime example of my point. I play well on soldier and a good bhopper can annihilate me. I don't stand a chance and that IMO makes it incredibly unfair. Whereas I don't Bhop at all and I do fine against soldiers. 60:3 may not be a 'hacking' score but it doesn't mean you're not being cheap on the border of cheating to get it. Or you could just be playing a ton of noobs. When I fight people that can't play worth a fu.ck I get pretty awesome scores too.
It all comes down to the fact that this is a game and as a game the sides should be balanced. Most of the time in GM though you get one or maybe two good players on either side and a bunch of noobs. The noobs are all balanced but a good player on each side will be like 30:5 compared to the rest of the people. The sheer number of noobs attacking a good player can take them down but it doesn't really balance out. It's just my experience with really good bhopping ghost that makes me feel like this is a cheap tactic that shouldn't be in the game, the way it plays out. It doesn't mean they haven't become skilled at ghost and they don't deserve more kills for being good/better than others it's just the method they're using is pretty BS. -
PurityDeath wrote: »BIG UGLY WALL OF TEXT
You sure you played with Stab ? I mean tab to be precise.
As you might consider editing your post, it's true that they might have better and not that better players, however from what I`ve seen, when they join a room, their team wins 99%.
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