China vs America
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2 billion people, good luck trying to get a job. And if you get pregnant, and you already have one child, you either get an abortion or go through labour then put him/her up for adoption.your point is?
And it's has so much pollution, taht's why China did so god in the Beijing Olympics, all the outdoor sports were maknig the competitors have a hard time brething. And the Chinese were fine cuz they are use to it. -
HerpDerped wrote: »teh govt. hold all of the $$
thats why
Communism doesnt allow the citizens to have different classes such as rich medium and poor. communism only has a middle class where government has all the power which can lead to a weak country. When capitalism there are rich, middle, and poor. this helps strengthen our econonmy by having the rich support the poor. CF China because we have pandas ^^ -
Racist noob. Stop trolling. I see your picture. Looks like ur a n1ger too. And if that's not you, you're a wanna be.African202 wrote: »china and america are both n1gger infested nations even though china is not. i hope those n1ggers die. china is filled with ch1nk eyed communists. -
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Wasn't Hiroshima terrorism?
Wasn't the Bombing of Dresden terrorism?
No, Hiroshima was a display of American forces, to apply and maintain policies instituted in war, this idea was brought up by Saul in your other Intelligent conversation American offered a treaty, Japan refused, Consequences were dealt. FYI Cities of the such bombings were warned of the Imminent attacks just sayin.
As for Dresden I have no Valid information on the subject, so I can't argue against it. -
Hmmm . . . China or USA . . .
(might not be how I have to argue about this but I'm giving it a shot)
China is harsh and it censores lots of stuff, only a small part of China is allowed to surf the internet and have 'fun', for example. Their economy is growing, it's not entirely ready yet. The American economy isn't that steady either, says the Economical Crisis.
So the USA are both glorious and failing. Glorious as in "Harvard" and "Yale" but failing as in "I got kidnapped by aliens" and "George Bush junior".
As you can see, everything has its pos and negs.
Winner: America.
But my general preference (amongst all the countries of the world, that is) goes to Germany (yeah it's off the charts so I won't argumentate).
Anyways, good luck voting for the better country. -
Even if the China has a better economy that America,
the people run the economy in both countries, because it's a free market.
However, in America, we are allowed to vote for multiple parties, in China, there's only the communist party.
Now, in a war, NO ONE CARES about debt/economy.
The fact is, America has a better army/neccessary tools to invade/defend a country then China.
IN FACT, America has way better allies. Face it. -
Incorrect.Communism doesnt allow the citizens to have different classes such as rich medium and poor. communism only has a middle class where government has all the power which can lead to a weak country. When capitalism there are rich, middle, and poor. this helps strengthen our econonmy by having the rich support the poor. CF China because we have pandas ^^
In the past decades, China has opened it's "communism" to a free market, but strict political ideas. -
The economy of China is growing fast, but at a high price. They are hurting the environment and their workers are being exploited (Karl Marx must be turning in his grave).
And USA it's a decadent empire, the last global power in history, with the most powerful army stuck in a little middle-east country, and too many social and financial problems to deal with.
Maybe in the future, maybe in 50 years, Shanghai would replace New York as the capital of the modern world, but today USA is better than China in many ways. -
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The answer from bossman has 0 tactial prowess. The United States would win this war. Fought in China or the US.
1.There is no country better then the US at fighting a standing Army or an insurgency then the US. Though it seems failed, we destroy Iraq's standing Army in 11 days in 1991 (at the time Iraq had the 5th largest Army in the world) and our lessons since 2003 have taught us how to fight an insurgency better.
2. If the war goes nuclear they would not touch our shores with missiles. The highly successful AEGIS missile defense system and our THAAD missile defense system (which has not failed in testing)would mean very few or no missile would hit any US city. Even Honolulu, which has a THAAD system in Pearl Harbor. China does not have a missile defense system nor does Russia.
3. Our equipment is head and shoulders better. Here is a list:
a. Our navy is far superior to China's across the board. Also we have Air Craft Carriers and China doesn't.
b. Our cruise missiles are highly accurate, effective, and better then China's
c. All of our Aircraft are better including helicopters, bombers, and fighters.
d. Two words "Stealth Technology" (1 f-22 has reportedly been able to engage and destroy up 16 f-15's without being engaged)
e. Our vehicles are better. We have armored troop transports like Humvee's, Stryker's and Bradley's. China uses trucks.
f. The M1A2 Abrams tank is the best in the world. Easily topping the Chinese Type 99
g. Our soldiers have better/more secure coms. Our soldiers use highly effective body armor the chinese do not.
h. Our logistical support is much better due to our airlift capabilities.
4. The US is still a much bigger economy then China. Debt has nothing to do with it. In war we wouldn't care about the debt owed to China. They do not produce any of our weapons so that would not effect war production.
5. The US has actually fought in recent wars, China has not, making our officer's and NCO's better prepared for combat then the Chinese. We also have very effective quick strike and tactical capabilities with our Air Assault trained helicopter forces and our Airborne units.
6. If it was an all out world war and it came down to allies the US would still prevail. Assuming China's allies would be Russia, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, some middle eastern countries like Iran, and some small countries here and there. The US would have all of the western European countries like Italy, France and Spain, as well as, countries with amazing air forces like Great Britain and Germany. We would also have Canada, Israel (which are great fighters), Australia, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, India and some small countries here and there as well. Looking at the "us vs them" thing. I think the "us" is much better.
Those reasons alone allow us to win but like everyone says it wont be good for either country. There is no reason for us to fight China.
http://www.mahalo.com/answers/who-would-win-in-a-war-between-the-u-s-and-china
funny... the US have the some of the most advanced military equipment but THAT does not make the US the best army in the world.... 1st Israel also as some of the best equipment 2nd the best fighter jet is the European EuroFighter Typhoon not the F22, 3rd the US supposed most well trained army are the Navy Seals in the worlds most well trained army's "list" the Seals and Marines are in 6th and 7th the S.A.S( special air service) is the most well trained force the are the Russians, then one of the arabe zone army's ( i dont remember which one), equipment does not make u win a war.... still i think the US would destroy china... this was just to show that the US do not have the greatest military power in the world -
HerpDerped wrote: »we losing war?
rofl
my friend... u lost against vietnam when they where not even half as advanced as u...
the US would lose a war in the 21st century against Russia, England, France, Germany, and maybe china(possibly not) the US are in war with iraq for what? 9 years? and what have u won with that? nothing, u loss man for a useless war because bush wanted oil... If u are so good why haven't u won the war yet? ill tell u why because u cant and u never will... the US will not win this war, not because they cant but because they are stupid and are more conserned about money than the actual war -
I'm Chinese (If you remember me saying that I'm Korean, I lied)...
I technically say the U S has a better living than China, but they don't deserve their better living in the first place...
Originally, China is richer than the United States... Why?
Which country does the United States owe money to the most?... It's China.
What's a better standard rifle? The Type-95 (QBZ-95) or the M4/M16? Obviously the bullpup will win because it won't get jammed and it can fire at any environmental conditions.
China's economy is let down (not greatly) by it's mass population... what if China's population was the same as the United State's (350 million people)... China's economy would be two times more advance than the U S's.
United States hate Communism due to the greed of majority of their ciitizens (no offence but that's the truth, Communism means everyone has the same wealth, no one poor no one rich, the rich people of the U S wants to stay rich or wants to grab more wealth and don't want to be taken down by the hammer and sickle). Since they hate Communism, they hate China because China associates with Communism.
Their charity means nothing... If the U S really tried to help the poors of Africa, Africa would of stepped out of poverty. -
my friend... u lost against vietnam when they where not even half as advanced as u...
the US would lose a war in the 21st century against Russia, England, France, Germany, and maybe china(possibly not) the US are in war with iraq for what? 9 years? and what have u won with that? nothing, u loss man for a useless war because bush wanted oil... If u are so good why haven't u won the war yet? ill tell u why because u cant and u never will... the US will not win this war, not because they cant but because they are stupid and are more conserned about money than the actual war
You do not understand and are obviously ignorant, there are obviously politics involved. The US cannot just go slaughtering vietnamese left and right because the US thinks they are insurgents, if the US did, the war would have ended a whole lot sooner. The "rules" stated in this thread generally imply total war, in other words like WW2, civilian casualties really do not matter and you are fighting for the survival of your country. If that was the case in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US would have destroyed those countries years ago searching for Saddam/Bin Laden by just bombing the **** out of it and shooting first and asking questions later, but they are stopped by politics obviously, and also they have a goal to create a democracy and freedom in those countries, not alienate every single person over there.
Also, you have to realize insurgents play a very different role in wars, they mingle with the population and are very difficult to detect, especially in communities where they may be supported by their neighbors and whatnot. They can attack and disappear near instantly, and can be a heavy nuisance e.g. IED's being the #1 killer of US militarymen in Iraq. In my opinion, in order to destroy Insurgents, you must first win the hearts of the community first or absolutely throw fear into their very hearts so they would give away the Insurgents information, but this is coming from a regular guy so, take it or leave it.
As for the actual thread, I am fairly sure America would win as they have better technology in basically all terms of military. However, many 20 years from now or 30, the tide may turn. America is being stretched out as being the "defender of the world" and basically gives loads of money to many different countries while disregarding its deficits, it will one day collapse if the trend keeps going. China is also growing extremely powerful, having one of the fastest growth rates right now, but the wealth is basically split, there is an extremely poor class in China and an extremely wealthy class also. It is not like America where generally everyone can support themselves (if you count 2 parents working at McDonalds supporting themselves, which is techincally true as it averages 34k a year per household with government aid). China's citizens do not get much government aid and their salaries are much lower than americans. Let me look it up right now....
from the http://www.worldsalaries.org/china.shtml
It states that an Airline Pilot for Chinese only makes 761$ a month on average (an Airline Pilot from the US makes 100K US a year). Average salary per year for a chinese person is 4,325 USD.
So all in all, US win now, China may win later, at the rate China is growing it will win later. -
my friend... u lost against vietnam when they where not even half as advanced as u...
the US would lose a war in the 21st century against Russia, England, France, Germany, and maybe china(possibly not) the US are in war with iraq for what? 9 years? and what have u won with that? nothing, u loss man for a useless war because bush wanted oil... If u are so good why haven't u won the war yet? ill tell u why because u cant and u never will... the US will not win this war, not because they cant but because they are stupid and are more conserned about money than the actual war
actually, the only reason US went to war in Asia because they dont want China to spread communism and take over the whole shipping route...... -
Okay before we get off to a bad start and have ego's flying. Heres the deal, I seriously doubt Amrica would win. We have no money to provide the nacessity's for a war. End of story.The answer from bossman has 0 tactial prowess. The United States would win this war. Fought in China or the US.
1.There is no country better then the US at fighting a standing Army or an insurgency then the US. Though it seems failed, we destroy Iraq's standing Army in 11 days in 1991 (at the time Iraq had the 5th largest Army in the world) and our lessons since 2003 have taught us how to fight an insurgency better.
2. If the war goes nuclear they would not touch our shores with missiles. The highly successful AEGIS missile defense system and our THAAD missile defense system (which has not failed in testing)would mean very few or no missile would hit any US city. Even Honolulu, which has a THAAD system in Pearl Harbor. China does not have a missile defense system nor does Russia.
3. Our equipment is head and shoulders better. Here is a list:
a. Our navy is far superior to China's across the board. Also we have Air Craft Carriers and China doesn't.
b. Our cruise missiles are highly accurate, effective, and better then China's
c. All of our Aircraft are better including helicopters, bombers, and fighters.
d. Two words "Stealth Technology" (1 f-22 has reportedly been able to engage and destroy up 16 f-15's without being engaged)
e. Our vehicles are better. We have armored troop transports like Humvee's, Stryker's and Bradley's. China uses trucks.
f. The M1A2 Abrams tank is the best in the world. Easily topping the Chinese Type 99
g. Our soldiers have better/more secure coms. Our soldiers use highly effective body armor the chinese do not.
h. Our logistical support is much better due to our airlift capabilities.
4. The US is still a much bigger economy then China. Debt has nothing to do with it. In war we wouldn't care about the debt owed to China. They do not produce any of our weapons so that would not effect war production.
5. The US has actually fought in recent wars, China has not, making our officer's and NCO's better prepared for combat then the Chinese. We also have very effective quick strike and tactical capabilities with our Air Assault trained helicopter forces and our Airborne units.
6. If it was an all out world war and it came down to allies the US would still prevail. Assuming China's allies would be Russia, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, some middle eastern countries like Iran, and some small countries here and there. The US would have all of the western European countries like Italy, France and Spain, as well as, countries with amazing air forces like Great Britain and Germany. We would also have Canada, Israel (which are great fighters), Australia, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, India and some small countries here and there as well. Looking at the "us vs them" thing. I think the "us" is much better.
Those reasons alone allow us to win but like everyone says it wont be good for either country. There is no reason for us to fight China.
http://www.mahalo.com/answers/who-would-win-in-a-war-between-the-u-s-and-china -
I'm Chinese (If you remember me saying that I'm Korean, I lied)...
I technically say the U S has a better living than China, but they don't deserve their better living in the first place...
Originally, China is richer than the United States... Why?
Which country does the United States owe money to the most?... It's China.
What's a better standard rifle? The Type-95 (QBZ-95) or the M4/M16? Obviously the bullpup will win because it won't get jammed and it can fire at any environmental conditions.
China's economy is let down (not greatly) by it's mass population... what if China's population was the same as the United State's (350 million people)... China's economy would be two times more advance than the U S's.
United States hate Communism due to the greed of majority of their ciitizens (no offence but that's the truth, Communism means everyone has the same wealth, no one poor no one rich, the rich people of the U S wants to stay rich or wants to grab more wealth and don't want to be taken down by the hammer and sickle). Since they hate Communism, they hate China because China associates with Communism.
Their charity means nothing... If the U S really tried to help the poors of Africa, Africa would of stepped out of poverty.
For the gun reference, in total war, guns are likely to be only killing a tiny fraction of people compared to bombs and nukes, so the gun reference might as well be disregarded. You might notice that the US's infantry equipment is much more sophisticated than China's, their optics are better, from aimpoints to ACOGs to EOtechs, they have what...Gen 5 Night vision? But all that aside, even in the Iraq and Afghanistan, most of the killing was done by airstrikes, so like I said guns pretty much have no place in this thread.
What support do you have that China, if having only 350 million people, would advance 2x as fast as the US? I don't think it matters, in fact, the more people the better, especially in rural areas, also that will mean more educated people also with more people.
As for the US only hates communism because the rich wants to stay rich, to say that is the sole reason or even a small fraction of the reason is just pure bogus. Communism is simply a theory, it will NEVER work because human's by nature are greedy. Communism is simply flawed, because there will always be someone more powerful than another and there will always be greed. Just look at the examples of history... its pretty damn obvious. The US system supports that idea that humans are greedy and want power, any one who wants to become powerful, can attempt to run for Council positions locally and may eventually rise up to maybe even the President. You can start a business from scratch and eventually rise up to a corporate leader if you have the initiative and luck.
The US's charity is very widespread and farspread , that is simply a flaw of the US's idea to be the "defender of the world". Like I said before, they are simply spending too much money to too many people, and that is just no good. Africa, although supported by not only the US but also by many other countries, most likely wallows in poverty for several reasons, HIV/AIDS, an extremely corrupt government (stealing relief goods + money, hyperinflating their own dollars, I recall Zimbabwe dollars were billions of dollar to one US dollar), and I guess the outreach just isn't far enough. To solve the problem of Africa, Africa must first go through many reforms before they can get out of the third world country they are in.
I suggest you really have a good argument before you post in this thread.Okay before we get off to a bad start and have ego's flying. Heres the deal, I seriously doubt Amrica would win. We have no money to provide the nacessity's for a war. End of story.
In a total war, you really don't need much money to send off several hundred nukes to the other side. Taking the assumption that US has better missile defenses and more nukes, US would probably win the war. -
Your not very smart, are you?...For the gun reference, in total war, guns are likely to be only killing a tiny fraction of people compared to bombs and nukes, so the gun reference might as well be disregarded. You might notice that the US's infantry equipment is much more sophisticated than China's, their optics are better, from aimpoints to ACOGs to EOtechs, they have what...Gen 5 Night vision? But all that aside, even in the Iraq and Afghanistan, most of the killing was done by airstrikes, so like I said guns pretty much have no place in this thread.
What support do you have that China, if having only 350 million people, would advance 2x as fast as the US? I don't think it matters, in fact, the more people the better, especially in rural areas, also that will mean more educated people also with more people.
As for the US only hates communism because the rich wants to stay rich, to say that is the sole reason or even a small fraction of the reason is just pure bogus. Communism is simply a theory, it will NEVER work because human's by nature are greedy. Communism is simply flawed, because there will always be someone more powerful than another and there will always be greed. Just look at the examples of history... its pretty damn obvious. The US system supports that idea that humans are greedy and want power, any one who wants to become powerful, can attempt to run for Council positions locally and may eventually rise up to maybe even the President. You can start a business from scratch and eventually rise up to a corporate leader if you have the initiative and luck.
The US's charity is very widespread and farspread , that is simply a flaw of the US's idea to be the "defender of the world". Like I said before, they are simply spending too much money to too many people, and that is just no good. Africa, although supported by not only the US but also by many other countries, most likely wallows in poverty for several reasons, HIV/AIDS, an extremely corrupt government (stealing relief goods + money, hyperinflating their own dollars, I recall Zimbabwe dollars were billions of dollar to one US dollar), and I guess the outreach just isn't far enough. To solve the problem of Africa, Africa must first go through many reforms before they can get out of the third world country they are in.
I suggest you really have a good argument before you post in this thread.
In a total war, you really don't need much money to send off several hundred nukes to the other side. Taking the assumption that US has better missile defenses and more nukes, US would probably win the war.
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