Things that need to be said and heard - Part 1
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We all know what happens when I get bored at work 
I like to create dreadfully long, but usually applicable threads. I just want to share some personal thoughts, opinions, advice if you will on certain community subjects that people need to hear even though it's painfully obvious or common sense, and especially if its not. Please, I respectfully ask if you are not into this subject or do not feel like committing the time to read it, do not comment on it. There's no need for rude or sarcastic comments.
I. Debates are good for the community
I like to create dreadfully long, but usually applicable threads. I just want to share some personal thoughts, opinions, advice if you will on certain community subjects that people need to hear even though it's painfully obvious or common sense, and especially if its not. Please, I respectfully ask if you are not into this subject or do not feel like committing the time to read it, do not comment on it. There's no need for rude or sarcastic comments.I. Debates are good for the community
- Debates are a great form of expression and self-disclosure. Of course they should be closed down if they get personal, but let heated debates happens. No one quits a community because it’s too active with debates and arguments, they quit when it gets boring.
- Fierce open disagreements help create the principles of a community. It counters the sheep mentality and opens the door for individuals to each stand up for their own thoughts and opinions within the community.
- The most trouble-causing users want attention and recognition. They want to show that you can’t control them. They want to make known their unhappiness and injustices. Don’t give them the time of day to do this. Don’t mention them in the community. Don’t be drawn into discussions about why they were banned. They were banned for a reason and that reason usually is the fact that they broke the community guidelines. It really is as simple as that.
- Having an open community can result in a very high number of new member registrations, but this won’t always mean you will have active, engaged members.
- The more exclusive you make the community, the more attractive it becomes. Human nature takes flight here as we always seem to want something more when we can't always have it. Aim instead for quality over quantity. Change the perception of this community from a commodity to a privilege. Make members earn the right to join, and earn the right to stay.
- It’s an aggressive and risky action, but it doesn’t have to last forever. If you don’t think exclusive, closed communities can work, read up on how Facebook works
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Good read, all points I agree with.
Debates should be constructive in terms of structure and not simply made up of trolls. Makes things much healthier. And it makes people giving their ideas and questionable thoughts some good read out discussions.
Heh, though besides those that get banned and usually can't come back, how would one determine an abusive or attention seeking member? It could go either way depending on perspective. But indeed, those only intent on chaos with no point of making something valid is someone to be ignored.
Though, lastly I am curious how one could make this community exclusive? Without at least causing it to be unfair for others who want to play and so fourth. Its a hard balance to maintain for an already exceptionally public game. -
Though, lastly I am curious how one could make this community exclusive? Without at least causing it to be unfair for others who want to play and so fourth. Its a hard balance to maintain for an already exceptionally public game.
Something as simple as only allowing people to sign up at certain periods of the day/night could promote such an "exclusivity" approach. In reality, that's not really creating an exclusive community but it's promoting a certain image that it's not 100% open ALL the time. Psychology comes into play here. I'm not saying something like this would work wonders for this community, but it's just an idea to keep the conversation going.
More specific methods could be explored perhaps? A private forum section for "eligible" community members? Selected by the GM's only? Let's face it. Not everyone is a loser like me and will contribute for nothing in return. Providing some incentive in a sense, might encourage more active participation on a daily basis. -
Debates in this community normally get trolled. Obviously this is a shame, because they are the best way to discuss and defend points, or even to influence GMs to change something that needs to be changed.
If I'm not wrong, there was a great discussion some months ago about the forum layout. And Saidin eventually changed it. Now we have section off-topics.
I honour your tentatives about changing this community, and make your points get heard. This is important, keep it up. -
We certainly don't have any problem with logical intelligent debate. Some of those kinds of threads are the best on these forums. Whether we are debating the merits of the terms and conditions or whether or not the Katana is better than the Axe.
We've never discouraged that.
We generally tend to not get drawn in to many threads about bans, or trolls etc. But often times a simple explanation is needed to calm the nerves of everyone. Especially with first time posters. We want to encourage the community to come here. And if someone comes here raging about a simple issue. Often times a simple explanation can calm them down and make them see the other good things about the community.
Exclusivity is an interesting debate. It's very difficult to do something like that while remaining fair. We are also dealing with the technical limitations of having our game database tied to the forums and the portal (something that must happen).
We have a few things in mind for forum upgrades that will hopefully bring some of those features to the forefront while rewarding those members who have been around long etc.
Reputation and Karma is something we would like to do, but there is a fundamental problem with it in regards to vb. There is no built-in way of limiting the amount of rep a person can give out. That means for every person here and their 5 alts, they would just add rep enough to get wherever they needed to be. And thus defeat the purpose of the feature.
Kelathe's point about being unfair is something that we definitely have to take in to account. For anything like that we have to be able to make it accessible for everyone at some point in time. It's already bad enough the MODs act as a clique that everyone wants to get in to. (sidenote, as soon as one becomes a mod they automatically get hated by the community)
I've been experimenting with the idea of an elite group of people for the community. But the biggest problem with that is what the goals of that system would be. What we don't want is to just create a private forum where people can further spam. What is it about the public version of the forums do you not like (beyond the technical limitations)? What are you not getting out of the public forum? Too many trolls? Stuff like that is self controlled. A private forum for elite members wouldn't actually change that fact.
That's about all I have at the moment on this. This is a good start to a thread, lets hope it doesn't get derailed. -
Part of the reason why "debates" get trolled is the lack of feedback. We already know that G4BOX/Z8 is fairly limited in what they can and cannot change.
A possibility would be to create a section of the forums that all players are able to view what is written but not all are able to post. The right to post would be earned, possibly given out based upon past merit as well. Rules would be strict and if conduct was not in line with expectations individuals rights would be revoked. The purpose of such a section would be to allow mature debate upon topics related to Cross Fire. This would involve all aspects of the game ranging from weapons to game mechanics such as boosting, competitive play, the different game modes, common issues etc. Furthermore "direct" responses from G4Box/Z8 Games in such a section would not see "troll" responses. And instead would give players a sense of stability in the future of CF.
Lets put in this way, if such a section was created and I was allowed to post. Lets say Polleus makes a long well thought out post. I decided to respond with TLDR!, on the "special" section of the forums I would loose my rights to post there anymore. Now if I did that on the normal forums I would probably have 5 other people quoting me and saying QFT! The simply fact if I get "banned" from the forums I can simply log on to an alt account. If one was to get their rights to post in the "special" section revoked they would most likely not be able to post there again (or at least anytime soon).
Also give players a special reward for "contributing". This would give incentive for players to give "good" feedback rather then feedback that is poorly thought out. You could do something like controlling the debate by posting specific threads they must respond to. It would be akin to a think tank, you are the government giving the think tank a specific issue to deal with.
edit: Reward, allow those players to "use" signatures. Oh! And call their rank "The Council!" I kid, please don't infract me. -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »What is it about the public version of the forums do you not like (beyond the technical limitations)? What are you not getting out of the public forum? Too many trolls? Stuff like that is self controlled. A private forum for elite members wouldn't actually change that fact.
harassment, and closed mindedness are the two biggest things that are wrong with the forums in my opinion.
You shouldn't need to check a thread hourly to stave off the waves of people trying to troll a response out of you and derail your thread.
As for the closed mindedness, people need to be more open to change. the present. the future. Stop looking at the past, the game of crossfire is constantly evolving, which brings on new problems when old ones are fixed. Let's just focus on controlling what we (the community) can control. Leave everything else up to the support team/developers. It gets annoying reading thread after thread about problems with the game. I'm ok with discussions, but not rants. If you have a technical problem post in technical support, not the barracks.
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[GM]Saidin wrote: »I've been experimenting with the idea of an elite group of people for the community. But the biggest problem with that is what the goals of that system would be. What we don't want is to just create a private forum where people can further spam. What is it about the public version of the forums do you not like (beyond the technical limitations)? What are you not getting out of the public forum? Too many trolls? Stuff like that is self controlled. A private forum for elite members wouldn't actually change that fact.
Strict requirements, not relating to post count and/or popularity. Forum conduct, maturity, composure, etc. Sort of in between Moderators and regular members. Chosen by you and you only, not even the Moderators. The goal is to establish a group of "regular" members as an elite group where people can look up to and aspire to. I know that will sound silly to some people but it's true. Giving people something to work towards, even as simple as the "recognition" for their actions within the community. People like recognition and not everyone does things for the right reasons, to get recognition. Thus, if possible, such a group should be made by you and you only.
Motivation is a key part of any community. If there is no motivation, for most, there is no reason to keep on trying to positively contribute to it. Establish such a group, through which regular members could relate to, but recognize that they have been placed in that group for such noble actions. This could motivate other members to take similar action. Just a thought on that.A possibility would be to create a section of the forums that all players are able to view what is written but not all are able to post. The right to post would be earned, possibly given out based upon past merit as well. Rules would be strict and if conduct was not in line with expectations individuals rights would be revoked. The purpose of such a section would be to allow mature debate upon topics related to Cross Fire. This would involve all aspects of the game ranging from weapons to game mechanics such as boosting, competitive play, the different game modes, common issues etc. Furthermore "direct" responses from G4Box/Z8 Games in such a section would not see "troll" responses. And instead would give players a sense of stability in the future of CF.
Great idea as well.Stop looking at the past, the game of crossfire is constantly evolving, which brings on new problems when old ones are fixed. Let's just focus on controlling what we (the community) can control. Leave everything else up to the support team/developers.
This. Perfect addition to the points already stated. Let's focus on what WE can control. -
Also give players a special reward for "contributing". This would give incentive for players to give "good" feedback rather then feedback that is poorly thought out. You could do something like controlling the debate by posting specific threads they must respond to. It would be akin to a think tank, you are the government giving the think tank a specific issue to deal with.Reward, allow those players to "use" signatures.
Such rewards or incentives that might inspire more positive action within the community. As small of an incentive that is, the properly chosen people could again be something of a role model. Give something for community members to look up to and aspire towards. -
Easier to just reply than to quote atm.
the things going on in doops and cyphers posts are essentially things we have no control over.
Close mindedness, looking at the past etc is all stuff we want you all to do. But it's very difficult to achieve.
We are also fully aware that signatures are desired. But if the players can't control themselves with words, how are they going to be able to control themselves with pictures. We already have to start considering the removal of the img tags because 'cool story brah' pictures are just so unnecessary.
While I don't want to direct you away from these forums! have a look at what some other people do. Try to cite some examples of whats out there that you like. And I'm not talking about your clan forums where you guys can do whatever you want.
In some of these forums the staff don't post (nearly as much as we do). There are no signature images, no image posting, they remove threads at their own discretion without explanations, they let way more negative things happen. In general it can be a lot more chaotic on some of those boards. Ok, we may not have the game-site integration that blizzard has but we're also smaller of a company. The game however isn't as small as one might thing and we have a very large community in-game and on these boards.
Controlling such a large population is very difficult.
And to Polleus point about the in-between group. There are often times when we see people that would make great community members. And then a day later something ticks them off and they lose that respect.
For example. One of these types of people that is respected, can then not turn around and make some comment about banning the entire population of a country from our game. We've stated it clearly that this isn't happening, and making these racial (or nationalist) remarks just destroys all credibility a poster might have had in the past. This is just a simple example, but stuff like this comes up all the time. You don't have to agree with everything we are doing, but if you can't see the larger picture than whats the point of us acknowledging a member to a higher level than a first-time-poster. -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »Controlling such a large population is very difficult.
And to Polleus point about the in-between group. There are often times when we see people that would make great community members. And then a day later something ticks them off and they lose that respect.
For example. One of these types of people that is respected, can then not turn around and make some comment about banning the entire population of a country from our game. We've stated it clearly that this isn't happening, and making these racial (or nationalist) remarks just destroys all credibility a poster might have had in the past. This is just a simple example, but stuff like this comes up all the time. You don't have to agree with everything we are doing, but if you can't see the larger picture than whats the point of us acknowledging a member to a higher level than a first-time-poster.
Very true points. One of these "special" users could have a bad day and possibly discredit the entire group as a whole from a few bad posts. Do the benefits outweigh the risks in this situation? Tough call to make. Certainly a lot of factors in a suggestion involving giving certain users a higher level of recognition than others. Those choices must be carefully made if they are to be made.
I personally see a lot of potential in the direction this game is going. There are steps being taken to ensure a better experience, especially with the latest in combating cheaters. I acknowledge the fact that it is difficult to control such a large population of users and with that comes certain growing pains that we must deal with. We must realize that this community in the forums must grow as well. That can only happen with the work of both the management and the users. Hopefully, in the near future, more measures will be taken to further such efforts. -
What Saidin said it's true. There are people on the forums that lost all respect in the last months. I will not write names, because this is a debate, not a personal chat.
About the elite group: There is enough people to start this. Personally I wouldn't care if I wasn't able to have an image in every post I made. That's not the point of an elite group. An elite group consists of wise people, that post their opinion about something in a polite manner and that start decent discussion threads. - Ending being an example for all.
Now my 2 cents on a section moderated by those people: I don't know how far can it go. IMO forumers have the right to step in those posts. Making them readable-only will not help in any case. That would just get the Barracks spammed with "I don't agree with him because he is a dumbass" or "Damn you're amazing". If you're going to make the section, then make it postable. If some troller starts to join the party saying" tl,dr" or "Cool story bro" then he/she would be penalized by a MOD present. That's why they are chosen - to handle the community.
But yeah. The forums are not perfect. A karma system would be great, but as Saidin said, it would just get farmed by kids, losing its purpose. But the forum needs a lot of improvements and additions.
Guess I gave my 2 cents. -
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II. Ignore the persistent abusers
I Can't agree enough with this...but the problem in this community is that they pay SO much attention to these "trolls".
By responding or getting angry you're giving them what they seek...attention.
Ignoring works best...but you need the cooperation of the mods and the community. -
I think a more specific Karma system seems realistic, with possibly Moderators/GMs only allowed to give such Karma points. I'd like to think that most Moderators wouldn't give out Karma points to farm people. What do you want? I'm an optimistic guy
This is a good idea, since the moderators are responsible people and wouldn't certainly make the tool lose its purpose. We would need more mods though.
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I. Debates are good for the community...
This is something that I tend to try and pick up on. The difference between debates and discussion is much different than trolling/flaming as long as you keep it within a respectable limit. Many times I have gotten into these debates as we are calling them with them ending up in people coming along to ruin them with comments that throw others off. Intellectual people are not a rarity on these forums, just not a commonness.
II. Ignore the persistent abusers
People make friends within a game and most of the time, it is the friends that make the ruckus instead of the actual user. I am sure most of us remember the incident with Greycloak.
III. An idea to the Game Managers: Exclusivity makes them want it that much more.
This shouldn't be about earning rights, it should be about them earning the respect for the community but unfortunately, that is a hard task to do with Z8's current state.
Glad to see at least one of the higher ups around here getting into these discussions. The points I left above in Saidins quote are the ones I will touch up on. Intellectual discussions and debates are for the most part, not common around here. However, when they do pop up on the rare occasion, I usually see many of the same people participating in them which is a good thing; just most of the time they ignite that little flame way down deep in the topic and crash and burn. Just some people, including some of the staff, don't seem to know when a topic should come to its end, or better yet, continue to succeed. Thus messing around with a topic results with bans being placed, people complaining and so-on. Hopefully people on IRC remember my discussion with Aero, Giggletron, Dot and Greycloak before I left which turned out that I was in the wrong about something; I accepted the fact and learned from it. The people that are more of the problem, are the ones who are not involved.[GM]Saidin wrote: »We certainly don't have any problem with logical intelligent debate.
Often times a simple explanation can calm them down and make them see the other good things about the community.
Reputation and Karma ... That means for every person here and their 5 alts, they would just add rep enough to get wherever they needed to be. And thus defeat the purpose of the feature.
(sidenote, as soon as one becomes a mod they automatically get hated by the community)
A private forum for elite members wouldn't actually change that fact.
Now with this Rep/Karma system, it certainly is a way to help make the community better than worse. It gives people more of a reason to post, and not only that, but be respectful when they do it. Just take the time you guys need to get it working 100% because as you said, there is easily a flaw within the system of people abusing it.
For the most part, I agree with Cyphers post but notice flaws within the idea....
This is what we (the community) need to control....[GM]Saidin wrote: »In some of these forums the staff don't post (nearly as much as we do). There are no signature images, no image posting, they remove threads at their own discretion without explanations, they let way more negative things happen. In general it can be a lot more chaotic on some of those boards.
There are often times when we see people that would make great community members. And then a day later something ticks them off and they lose that respect.
For example. One of these types of people that is respected, can then not turn around and make some comment about banning the entire population of a country from our game. We've stated it clearly that this isn't happening, and making these racial (or nationalist) remarks just destroys all credibility a poster might have had in the past. This is just a simple example, but stuff like this comes up all the time. You don't have to agree with everything we are doing, but if you can't see the larger picture than whats the point of us acknowledging a member to a higher level than a first-time-poster.
Finally a well thought response from the staff. Your first point it is completely true. We have features that you guys allow us to use and benefit from that many other forums wouldn't even consider. We take many things for granted on these forums and for the ones that are respected/active/known, take something as simple as the thought of Z8 working on something as beneficial. I for one, have gone over the edge many times but at the same time, know when to call it quits. Could be as simple as life issues, certain users replying to your posts, etc, to cause you to slip up. That is why I don't think a special group of users should be made as everyone will try to get into it, just like the moderators. Personally, I would like to see some limitations on people who play our game, however, we are the English version and unfortunately, many people speak the English language. If the game wasn't so much ping-based, my critique would on certain matters would change drastically. What I bolded above, is the quote of year so far in terms of truth, realism and actuality.I Can't agree enough with this...but the problem in this community is that they pay SO much attention to these "trolls".
By responding or getting angry you're giving them what they seek...attention.
Ignoring works best...but you need the cooperation of the mods and the community.
I agree with Moch. Just keep in mind, there is a fine line between flaming/trolling and people debating their opinions.
I will keep an eye on this thread and forgive me if I misworded/used false information seeing as I have been away for 3 weeks. I guess this is just a way of me saying... I'm back. -
Bloodyfire. wrote: »III. An idea to the Game Managers: Exclusivity makes them want it that much more.
This shouldn't be about earning rights, it should be about them earning the respect for the community but unfortunately, that is a hard task to do with Z8's current state.
I should have clarified on this more. It should be about earning the respect for the community. By providing a way to "earn the right" to have such things, a door will be opened to give people the chance to try and earn that respect. It simply gives people something to work towards, a goal. Of course people will try to get in it and that essentially is the point. Sure there will be a fair share of users who will do it simply for the reason of getting in. This is where careful consideration from Saidin of past conduct, current conduct, etc. comes into play.Bloodyfire. wrote: »Now with this Rep/Karma system, it certainly is a way to help make the community better than worse. It gives people more of a reason to post, and not only that, but be respectful when they do it. Just take the time you guys need to get it working 100% because as you said, there is easily a flaw within the system of people abusing it.
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Why not just make medals or something? It could be an award only given out by the GMs to community members for fantastic:
- contributions to the community.
- Reporting to mods of garbage posts
- general helpfulness
- positive attitude
- amazing modifications (like Hi's server mods)
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Why not just make medals or something? It could be an award only given out by the GMs to community members for fantastic:
- contributions to the community.
- Reporting to mods of garbage posts
- general helpfulness
- positive attitude
- amazing modifications (like Hi's server mods)
Good suggestion. This is the point I'm trying to get at. Simple, yet effective rewards that motivate users to do better within the community. Medals provide a sort of that "recognition" and harmlessly sets them apart. It's kind of unfortunate to say there needs to be some benefit for contributing to the community. However, this is sometimes necessary to inject some life into the community. Thanks. -
Bloodyfire. wrote: »That is why I don't think a special group of users should be made as everyone will try to get into it, just like the moderators.
Aspiration is a good thing, I disagree with you in that field. However I'm not talking about false people.
I love those forumers that apply to moderators and then their behavior totally changes. They become "mini-mods" (like it is called) and start doing positive things. It isn't that bad, but when new moderators are announced and they don't appear on the list, they show their rebel side, and say "I wasn't chosen?! ufail". And then they start trolling once again.
I am not talking about it. I am actually talking about people that contribute with their decent posts, threads, dicussion points and ideas to improve the community and the game itself everyday. Those people that didn't get chosen in the applications, but say "Well, better luck next time, my job in here will not change". -
Well if we are going to talk intelligently about some of the things on the boards let me propose a couple of things which we are working on.
For one, we would like to enable signature images. But there are some limitations to this.
First off, while it is probably the most minor it has to be considered. Bandwidth for the images. The boards, being tied to the database and portal can be unstable during some times. While the stability has certainly improved over the last while, yesterday was a recent example of things going poof for a few hours while we have to figure it out.
Adding signature images to that will be something to consider.
The reason is that and not, just have them hosted on photobucket. Is that if the image comes in through our servers we can have the settings where a signature has to "be approved" before use. That means we have more control over the content of the image and malicious activity can be limited. And things could be given us a further element of control because we could take down an image through our own means rather than having to go in and edit a link, or try and get an image removed on an external site.
The size would also change too. And likely text would be removed (if images were enabled). We do NOT want to encourage a post (and believe me, mods have gotten spoken to about this) where the entire post is 1 line of text followed by signature image x3 and 15 blank lines of text. When a forum page is 5 posts for the max length because the room is taken up by an image it's frustrating and not very good for the community.
If these things could be limited and controlled then the idea that we would like to get some feedback on is how to enable the images. If done tomorrow the images would be linked to the level of your playing character in Cross Fire. However a system like this has no ETA at the moment for implementing.
Before you run around saying "this doesn't help elite members". Think about the benefits to linking your player account level to your forum account.
1) It would promote less alternate accounts on the forums.
2) First time posters would see the benefits of a cool signature and want to play and be involved so they can get their own.
3) Spam posting wouldn't allow forum benefits.
4) It makes your main account more valuable and the user will care more about what they post and stick to the rules, because if their main gets infracted then they won't look as cool.
So I would invite you to give us your opinions on a system like this. This by no means is ready to go, so don't expect it tomorrow people! But this discussion seems good enough to get some valued opinion on a direction we're taking.
Secondly by having things tied to your forum account we might be able to open up other features that weren't previously available. Social groups for clans, calendars etc.
And about reputation, it will ONLY ever make it to the boards if we find a way to control the maximum amount of rep a user can give out over a set period of time. But this could also be something that would benefit from tying your forum account to your game account.
And lastly, another change being thought of at the moment is finding a way to give likes to forum posts. Such that if a certain number of people disliked or was offended by a specific post the negative rating would cause the post to go "hidden". But again, this has to be given a way such that it can't be abused.
All forum features, disabled or otherwise have to be thought of from an "abuse first" perspective. The community has not shown enough restraint to think any other way. -
I support the above mentioned "forum benefits", especially linking the in-game accounts to the forum accounts. This will place more "weight" on your main account, thus hopefully making people think twice about doing such unwanted things. I have definitely heard some positive things Saidin. I am glad that you can show some faith to even suggest such a system, which will in my opinion, greatly improve this community over time. Much appreciated sir.
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That's amazing news Saidin. I greatly read your post until the end!
I completely agree with you on "where the entire post is 1 line of text followed by signature image x3 and 15 blank lines of text." This happens so much in other forums. I've seen people replying with 5-6 words to a thread, attaching around 15 images and enourmous texts to those words. Happening every time they post.
I don't really want it. Signatures on this forum, in my opinion, are decent, but I didn't think on that idea before: refering each person's character level on the signatures.
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I love those forumers that apply to moderators and then their behavior totally changes. They become "mini-mods" (like it is called) and start doing positive things. It isn't that bad, but when new moderators are announced and they don't appear on the list, they show their rebel side, and say "I wasn't chosen?! ufail". And then they start trolling once again.
I am not talking about it. I am actually talking about people that contribute with their decent posts, threads, dicussion points and ideas to improve the community and the game itself everyday. Those people that didn't get chosen in the applications, but say "Well, better luck next time, my job in here will not change".
I agree with you on the first part of your post, it happens all the time; I even caught myself up with it now and again. Now with the second part, I am having trouble understanding, please clarify?
Well, Avatars haven't been much of a problem have they? I mean.. I only think I have seen 2 innapropriate avatars during my time on these forums. Plus, it is no harder for someone to copy and paste images into all their posts (which some users have done) compared to an image signature.[GM]Saidin wrote: »...
As far as game-forum implementation, what kind of ideas are you thinking of? Will there be things like "MySuba" back from SubaGames (in your own style of course) or will there be different ideas like having an option to show your rank in your signature/avatar and it auto-updates as you rank?
Now with the Reputation system, I am sure there is one out there that you can use for vB where it will limit to giving out x amount of rep per-day, similar to the previous Karma system even though that was custom made. -
It's kind of unfortunate to say there needs to be some benefit for contributing to the community. However, this is sometimes necessary to inject some life into the community.
I agree. It is sad, but if done, it will dramatically improve the results in my opinion.[GM]Saidin wrote: »So I would invite you to give us your opinions on a system like this. This by no means is ready to go, so don't expect it tomorrow people! But this discussion seems good enough to get some valued opinion on a direction we're taking.
Sounds like a good idea.[GM]Saidin wrote: »Secondly by having things tied to your forum account we might be able to open up other features that weren't previously available. Social groups for clans, calendars etc.
This would be great. A calender for forumer's games would be sheer genius. And it would also be nice to have groups for clans and the like.[GM]Saidin wrote: »And about reputation, it will ONLY ever make it to the boards if we find a way to control the maximum amount of rep a user can give out over a set period of time. But this could also be something that would benefit from tying your forum account to your game account.
I would really like to see a rep system implemented. But as there is no workaround for rep farming, I guess we will just have to wait
Thanks you Saidin for looking into this for us. -
This would be great. A calender for forumer's games would be sheer genius. And it would also be nice to have groups for clans and the like.
A calender would be next to pointless unless events that the users want added would have to go through some kind of moderation to be approved. Otherwise there would be nonsense things like "My Dog Sams Birthday!". However, starting off with the calender but only Z8 being able to add events could be a start. It would help people with earlier patch notices, certain starts and ends to events, etc, instead of everything being managed through forum posts and announcements.
The group thing is a feature on the forums, however in my opinion, it is complete nonsense. It would be a neat little feature to some, but I personally would never use it and would just be another thing that would take extra moderation. -
Bloodyfire. wrote: »A calender would be next to pointless unless events that the users want added would have to go through some kind of moderation to be approved. Otherwise there would be nonsense things like "My Dog Sams Birthday!". However, starting off with the calender but only Z8 being able to add events could be a start. It would help people with earlier patch notices, certain starts and ends to events, etc, instead of everything being managed through forum posts and announcements.
The group thing is a feature on the forums, however in my opinion, it is complete nonsense. It would be a neat little feature to some, but I personally would never use it and would just be another thing that would take extra moderation.
Good point. It would have to be set up to where the user must get a MOD to edit it for him with the particular event.
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