After doing some reading...
I was looking through CF's Terms & Conditions after seeing the foundation of the game slightly falling apart, and I think its mainly because alot of the simple but notable rules aren't being enforced or clarified. Below is sections that are to point to my case and hopefully some will see such. I'm expecting the TL;DR comments, but these notes are also on CF's main page. Its here for the lazy ones.
[1.1.3]Responsibility of Actions
All actions taken on an account are the responsibility of its owner. This includes but is not limited to, hacking, acting in an excessively negative nature and abusing bugs. Accounts may have action taken against them no matter who was on the account at any given time. If an account was lost due to a scam and subsequently broke the Terms and Conditions, Z8Games takes no responsibility for the actions performed while the account was lost.
The ones highlighted in bold and underline seem to be the main issues of CF at this time. Hacking and bugs causing quite disruptive moods and generally putting the community in a negative form. Noted, such things are worked on to be fixed and dealt with.
[3.0] Character Naming Conventions
Character names are the only way of referencing a player in the game environment. These names may be meaningful and attractive, however they may not portray content that is considered pedophiliac, racial/ethnic, sexual, violent, national sexual orientation and Obscene/Vulgar. Thus, great care should be given to name selection. The first impression other players have of you will be based on your character's name, so it's best to start off on the right foot. While choosing the perfect name for your character is left to your discretion, we have determined that some types of names are not allowed in this game.
Now, for the one noted here. I'm all for one with patriotism, however do please clarify that hundreds of accounts with BR attached is not a racial/ethnic content? Not saying its only the BR's, but how many accounts do you see with a USA tag or CAN tag or whatnot? Note whether or not this is against the rules, and if it isn't, clarify it.
[6.0] Harassment
Harassment is often an issue at any situation, which causes insecurity, lack of interest in the game environment and during some situations may pose a threat. Harassment may include calling inappropriate names, producing offensive or negative remarks which may be directed to a single player or a group of players, passing rumors or any message in the chat window that is considered offensive in accordance with the same Policy.
Thus, harassment of any kind regardless of the degree of harassment is not tolerated under any circumstances. These matters are compiled into a serious consideration since the security and the interest of other players are highly important to the nature of our business. Treat each and every player the way you would like to be treated.
Two big ones here. The current situation of the CF in-gaming community is quite terrible. Many players have displayed their distaste and as noted above 'lack of interest in the game environment' due to the wave of problems and racial attacks on both ends, generally leaving the minority which was intended for this version of CF to suffer from these griefers without any defense back. Secondly is the names and inappropriate or offensive content. Where is Z8's policy on foreign speakers bashing others? Do they automatically get circumvented from this rule because they don't speak English? We all know that this is also part of grieving as their words are intent on harm, and in their language do they control the game without others knowing what they are saying. Generally leading to constant kicking and so on.
So I am curious how people shall respond to this and more importantly how the rules are meant to be enforced. Even if it involves me doing screenshots every bloody game. I'll do it to clean up this game one play at a time. We shouldn't suffer, this should be an equal environment. But its not, not the way things are going currently. I could add more and dig deeper but I'll see how far this goes.
/End Rant
[1.1.3]Responsibility of Actions
All actions taken on an account are the responsibility of its owner. This includes but is not limited to, hacking, acting in an excessively negative nature and abusing bugs. Accounts may have action taken against them no matter who was on the account at any given time. If an account was lost due to a scam and subsequently broke the Terms and Conditions, Z8Games takes no responsibility for the actions performed while the account was lost.
The ones highlighted in bold and underline seem to be the main issues of CF at this time. Hacking and bugs causing quite disruptive moods and generally putting the community in a negative form. Noted, such things are worked on to be fixed and dealt with.
[3.0] Character Naming Conventions
Character names are the only way of referencing a player in the game environment. These names may be meaningful and attractive, however they may not portray content that is considered pedophiliac, racial/ethnic, sexual, violent, national sexual orientation and Obscene/Vulgar. Thus, great care should be given to name selection. The first impression other players have of you will be based on your character's name, so it's best to start off on the right foot. While choosing the perfect name for your character is left to your discretion, we have determined that some types of names are not allowed in this game.
Now, for the one noted here. I'm all for one with patriotism, however do please clarify that hundreds of accounts with BR attached is not a racial/ethnic content? Not saying its only the BR's, but how many accounts do you see with a USA tag or CAN tag or whatnot? Note whether or not this is against the rules, and if it isn't, clarify it.
[6.0] Harassment
Harassment is often an issue at any situation, which causes insecurity, lack of interest in the game environment and during some situations may pose a threat. Harassment may include calling inappropriate names, producing offensive or negative remarks which may be directed to a single player or a group of players, passing rumors or any message in the chat window that is considered offensive in accordance with the same Policy.
Thus, harassment of any kind regardless of the degree of harassment is not tolerated under any circumstances. These matters are compiled into a serious consideration since the security and the interest of other players are highly important to the nature of our business. Treat each and every player the way you would like to be treated.
Two big ones here. The current situation of the CF in-gaming community is quite terrible. Many players have displayed their distaste and as noted above 'lack of interest in the game environment' due to the wave of problems and racial attacks on both ends, generally leaving the minority which was intended for this version of CF to suffer from these griefers without any defense back. Secondly is the names and inappropriate or offensive content. Where is Z8's policy on foreign speakers bashing others? Do they automatically get circumvented from this rule because they don't speak English? We all know that this is also part of grieving as their words are intent on harm, and in their language do they control the game without others knowing what they are saying. Generally leading to constant kicking and so on.
So I am curious how people shall respond to this and more importantly how the rules are meant to be enforced. Even if it involves me doing screenshots every bloody game. I'll do it to clean up this game one play at a time. We shouldn't suffer, this should be an equal environment. But its not, not the way things are going currently. I could add more and dig deeper but I'll see how far this goes.
/End Rant
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SideEff3cts wrote: »They don't even need to put
in their names, we can tell by their pings.
Also, agree with this thread.
Sadly, ping is another issue. But the tags are what that main thing was driving at, from what I read, they aren't allowed. The actual races involved currently have no relevance to this topic, its simply an example I used.
I am dearly hoping that a fix for these absurd pings will be dealt with. Heres hoping. -
[3.0] Character Naming Conventions
Character names are the only way of referencing a player in the game environment. These names may be meaningful and attractive, however they may not portray content that is considered pedophiliac, racial/ethnic, sexual, violent, national sexual orientation and Obscene/Vulgar. Thus, great care should be given to name selection. The first impression other players have of you will be based on your character's name, so it's best to start off on the right foot. While choosing the perfect name for your character is left to your discretion, we have determined that some types of names are not allowed in this game.
Now, for the one noted here. I'm all for one with patriotism, however do please clarify that hundreds of accounts with BR attached is not a racial/ethnic content? Not saying its only the BR's, but how many accounts do you see with a USA tag or CAN tag or whatnot? Note whether or not this is against the rules, and if it isn't, clarify it.
WOW. I've read the TOA but never really thought about that. That is pretty close to the line. I would say the Name Tag thing is okay since it's offered by Z8 and it's not cutting it down to a race of people nor a certain ethnic group. I'm not sure what to make of the BR in the name however. It's not racial, as in black and white, but as far as an ethnic group, I'm not sure. I guess if you look at it in one way it could be an Ethnic thing then again not, if taken black and white. Z8 will have to clear it up.
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IudiceScar wrote: »WOW. I've read the TOA but never really thought about that. That is pretty close to the line. I would say the Name Tag thing is okay since it's offered by Z8 and it's not cutting it down to a race of people nor a certain ethnic group. I'm not sure what to make of the BR in the name however. It's not racial, as in black and white, but as far as an ethnic group, I'm not sure. I guess if you look at it in one way it could be an Ethnic thing then again not, if taken black and white. Z8 will have to clear it up.
+5 Karma for finding unclear things in the company's TOA.
True, but thats what those namecards in the item shop are for. To display such patriotism. In that fashion those don't go against the ToA. But I still firmly believe that having them in their name itself is in violation. -
What truly makes me wonder is why these terms weren't enforced to begin with. Surely there were signs to these, and the ones running this show are supposed to be in tune with the rules and terms are they not? I know its alot of work, but generally they have teams to be on top of this stuff regularly. What happened most likely is they let alot slide and it fell into this mash pit we call a game community. Which is a terrible mess. I could go on about the scamming issues, but the most they did and could do was post warnings to prevent being scammed. However I don't know about them actually dealing with said scammers.
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What truly makes me wonder is why these terms weren't enforced to begin with. Surely there were signs to these, and the ones running this show are supposed to be in tune with the rules and terms are they not? I know its alot of work, but generally they have teams to be on top of this stuff regularly. What happened most likely is they let alot slide and it fell into this mash pit we call a game community. Which is a terrible mess.
The staff simply does not have the manpower, nor the forum power to enforce all stated rules as they are supposed to. I am not one to criticize the staff here, but in a real world, if rules aren't enforced, rules will be broken. It's that simple.
For one, not every one of the Moderators is as active as the next. They are not on a schedule, so Moderators come and go as they please. There is no real way to ensure all day, all night constant Moderation with the current system.
Two, everyone can figure out the Moderators do not have IP ban powers and that is taken advantage of. Another account can be made in a very short amount of time. Not every moderator is going to submit an issue up the line to Saidin in order to have the issue resolved completely.
It is a mess indeed. -
The staff simply does not have the manpower, nor the forum power to enforce all stated rules as they are supposed to. I am not one to criticize the staff here, but in a real world, if rules aren't enforced, rules will be broken. It's that simple.
For one, not every one of the Moderators is as active as the next. They are not on a schedule, so Moderators come and go as they please. There is no real way to ensure all day, all night constant Moderation with the current system.
Two, everyone can figure out the Moderators do not have IP ban powers and that is taken advantage of. Another account can be made in a very short amount of time. Not every moderator is going to submit an issue up the line to Saidin in order to have the issue resolved completely.
It is a mess indeed.
True, but the lack of man power is not the communities fault. its the companies. A good business makes sure they have all necessary man power to cover the necessary fields. But regardless of how active these mods are, I do not see these being enforced at all or very rarely. Merely ignored as far as I see. Plus, the seemingly unclear ToA shown before us.
You don't need to IP ban someone to show proper authority and the proper rules. They just have to be a bit more stern on hammering down those who think they are untouchable. The ban list before was nice as it at least showed us things were getting done and hackers were told 'you could be next' on the list. A warning. A bold warning. The Mods are cool people, i know they are in control fo everything but this was mainly trying to clear up what was supposed to have been done in the first place before it got too large. CF wasn't always this huge game. What surprises me still is the still too few moderators to keep track fo this many players, which may also be the cause of the problem. -
why not can't look no worse....
Its not at an all time low just yet. But, I am trying to point out small and simple areas to improve upon as well. It could be alot worse, very much so. Its usually the little things that make a difference when they are fixed in a group. What I wonder simply is why these little things have really gone south? I've never seen such before.
Waiting to hear back from actual staff about these, oddly no feedback. -
Its not at an all time low just yet. But, I am trying to point out small and simple areas to improve upon as well. It could be alot worse, very much so. Its usually the little things that make a difference when they are fixed in a group. What I wonder simply is why these little things have really gone south? I've never seen such before.
Waiting to hear back from actual staff about these, oddly no feedback.
you forget z8 wants 1 thing your money nothing more you have enuff money you can get them to change anything you want them too other wise no small thing will ever be fixed no matter how hard you try to point it out. -
why not can't look no worse....
Lol'd. +1Why would Mods sticky a thread about how terribly the ToS is being moderated by themselves?
I didn't say they would? I just think it should be. Its called an opinion.
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I AGREE! ++++1
In game we can't write "WTF","no skill" BUT BR's can curse us out in potuguese and other languages. I disagree with this because in the SIGN UP form you can change the language from english to "brazilian flag/language". So this encourages BR's to come in our game and curse at us. And we can't even write "NO SKILL"! -
you forget z8 wants 1 thing your money nothing more you have enuff money you can get them to change anything you want them too other wise no small thing will ever be fixed no matter how hard you try to point it out.
Money talks eh? I don't always find that the case. Plenty of companies and others take care into keeping their rules, and community in good shape at any cost. Because it gives them good reputation and attracts more customers, meaning more money.
Take McDonald's for example, they took many beatings upon their franchise of suing and problems from users that were unhappy (whether it be false or true) and made sure such things were rectified to maintain their business reputation. Yes, it cost them money, and they love money. Thats why they did it. To keep customers coming back with the message 'we care'.
I have never known a business that didn't bleed first, and become one of two results.
-Dead
or
-Alive because they cared to maintain such business.
I'm hoping that this is only the bleeding stage, and not the dead aspect where integrity is pointless and it turns into a dog-eat-dog scenario.
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