Calling Euro Clans
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Isn't the Scar Light allowed in that League?
why do you guys b1tch so much? i just can't understand, i was a scarlight user, im not using it anymore but i still don't mind when someone uses it, this game is still point and kill, and i still do respect the scarlight, you know, if someone wants to play competitively he can without (as in bfheroes trailer) get shot in the face repeatedly by a swearing ultra-skilled 15 year old boy who plays the game every day for 8 hours -
why do you guys b1tch so much? i just can't understand, i was a scarlight user, im not using it anymore but i still don't mind when someone uses it, this game is still point and kill, and i still do respect the scarlight, you know, if someone wants to play competitively he can without (as in bfheroes trailer) get shot in the face repeatedly by a swearing ultra-skilled 15 year old boy who plays the game every day for 8 hours
You seem abit mad, fact is Exilium was only good for their SL use and Fridayy's SPOP. -
You seem abit mad, fact is Exilium was only good for their SL use and Fridayy's SPOP.
let's see, if im right, fridayy palys whit 2 weapons, he didn't use the scarlight more then then m4 and when exilium was active and in esl mark was the only one whit spop (witch he didn't even use) about firdayy i bought his spop and when i was in exilium and when i played whit him he didn't use it in scrims and good matches, i was the only exilium scarlight user and im not using it anymore, why? because of ppl like you to make you happy
and who's mad here? who's raging about a weapon? one more thing, please don't talk sh1t if you don't know anything -
Scar Light - Accurate and powerful but limited to 30 bullets.
AK47 Gold + 8
AWM CAmo + 5
M4A1 CUS - 100% Silent
etc etc
Now stop and think 1 minute.
Given the fact the Scar allows normally less skilled individual to deliver effective kills at long range... and given the AK74 Gold or XM8 can be used to sprayyyyy the living daylights out of the opposition.
Which guns here really heightens the competition in CF?
Would you run out into the open vs a team of SL users hoping to be the hero and clutch them all? No...
Would you employ tactics, strats, and use teamwork and communication to out manover the opposition? Yes....
The whole idea behind the Scar L is that it is even and fair, everyone can get it, everone stands a chance.
A Scar L player vs a Scar L players = The best player wins.
A Team of Scar L players vs a Team of Scar L players = Team with best strats and application wins.
(On a side note however, the truth is that a team with mixed individual with mixed applications will usually win)
Nothing more, nothing less.
A ZP player vs a ZP player = a degree to the best player wins, a larger degree to which player has the most bullets to spray with, and which has invested most in ZP, hence WHY ESL rules are better than WOGL rules.
Quit your beef with the Scar L, if everyone used it, we would see trurly which teams and players are the best.
Finally, get your arses into ESL, stop mincing around farming on Turks n Germans in Beta Clan where you might occasionally come across another half decent clan. There are at least 2 EU clans who would take any US clan head for head be it LL or KK, and 4-5 others who you would be supprised at on their level of game play. -
Scar light league, bah no real competition
but we do support the ESL gathers on our vent feel free to use it for a ESL gather.
Scar Light is only a skill against other players using a Scar light.
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lawl had to many long convo's on xfire or vent with friday about it.
Buying the ZP weapons supports the game without ZP no crossfire.
ESL should not look only at there own league but more to te general community + other leagues,
and i think almost all the pug players agree on the Scar Light ban we have on the EPC vent.
I can say that the EPC is the european community since we already handeld 2x 16 team draft third one is this friday.
Now my own opinion on this question im ANTI Scar light and ANTI ZP
the best thing ESL or any league can do is follow the WOGL rules + a ZP ban.
Famous -
No ZP?
CF comprises of a few sides - those which are competitional (scrim clans) those which are not (farmers etc) and those which are a mix of both.
ESL is purley a competitional league. Competition which is improved and heightened by TEAMPLAY not individuals.
The Scar L heightens / raises the bar to individuals and as a results teams are required to enforce strats etc which raises the bar in competition.
This applies to what? 10% of the CF community play competitionally? So how on earth does this effect ZP purchases and why the hell would it mean No ZP, No CF?
Next point:
No real competition in ESL huh? Bring any of your 5 vs ROC or Airwalk see if you say the same after.
Finally:
Taking out ZP is a great idea for these competitional games - I agree with you on that one
Taking out SL however will just allow the few (and i mean FEW) great players of M4/AK/AWM skill to be hero's every game and the competition of CF will lower and it will become TOO EASY. It's easy enough as things are!
How can you not see this? It's so obvious! -
With the UK server and the future UK beta clan server the EU competitive side of this game as a chance to improve, is just a matter of time untill more teams start to show up.
In my opinion there are two things in ESL that could be improved, the anti-cheat and the weapon restrictions. EQ gives way to many problems, I personally believe it would be better to implement a more reliable anti-cheat with less crashes and bugs.
About the weapon restrictions, I understand the GP only weapons concept, since it allows parity between players. But then again it's close impossible to assure equality in a competition made over the internet, some players have better computers, others have better connections, others have better headsets/mouses etc. It's something beyond our control. Taking the ZP out of a league doesn't mean every player is on the same level, if you understand what I mean.
There are clearly overpowered ZP weapons that should never be allowed in any competitive league (such as the AWM-camo, gold guns etc) but on the other hand there are some ZP weapons that in my opinion should be allowed. I see no reason why ESL should force people to use a Scar Light, I say "force" because a Scar Light is clearly overpowered compared to the rest of the GP guns. I see no reason why, lets say, M4 custom/ M4 adv / ak silver are banned from ESL, if you would put one of these weapons on half of the Scar Light users on ESL you would see that they are far from being an advantage. -
I think that ESL could be very good,especially with the addition of EU server.
1) I don't even buy ZP,but i have no problem with people using m4-custom or ak-silver. The only advantage is usually the extra bullets,or in the m4-c's case the silencer. But,if you can't kill someone with 30 bullets...welll,you suck.
2) The banned guns should be the ones that have a BIG advantage,extra bullets isn't really an advantage.
-Spray guns should be banned (tommy/kriss)
-Overpowerd guns shoule be banned (scrub light)
-The guns with faster reload should be banned (aug-camo,deagle-camo,conda-adv etc)
3) The SPOP is rightfully banned and should be kept that way.
4) match's to be played in UK server for competetive gameplay.
Use these rules and it will be a huge success. Suits all sides that its fair. -
No ZP?
CF comprises of a few sides - those which are competitional (scrim clans) those which are not (farmers etc) and those which are a mix of both.
ESL is purley a competitional league. Competition which is improved and heightened by TEAMPLAY not individuals.
The Scar L heightens / raises the bar to individuals and as a results teams are required to enforce strats etc which raises the bar in competition.
This applies to what? 10% of the CF community play competitionally? So how on earth does this effect ZP purchases and why the hell would it mean No ZP, No CF?
Next point:
No real competition in ESL huh? Bring any of your 5 vs ROC or Airwalk see if you say the same after.
Finally:
Taking out ZP is a great idea for these competitional games - I agree with you on that one
Taking out SL however will just allow the few (and i mean FEW) great players of M4/AK/AWM skill to be hero's every game and the competition of CF will lower and it will become TOO EASY. It's easy enough as things are!
How can you not see this? It's so obvious!
Did you even read my post? seriously i had enough about your ignorance a Scar light does not "higher the bar" for competitive gameplay
its easly like hell it gives you an advantage over a regular M4 or an AK.
and you guys are qqing about some extra bullets get lost, Rufus thinks he is the community so far he is afraid to show up in our vent and have a decent convo, while other players do and i convinced almost all players who were pro scar light , you cleary do not see the advantage or you do but you like your scar light to much , meet the real euro community before you start talking like someone who thinks he is smart.
/end of mad
and serioulsy NO ZP > means no income > no income means no site / xtrap updates / xtrap payments/ host payments etc. > NO CF
WOWOWWOW BRAINS HARD TO GET.
Look at all those reactions that are ANTI scar light.
Look at our vent
Look at the community -
FamousFoxx wrote: »Did you even read my post? seriously i had enough about your ignorance a Scar light does not "higher the bar" for competitive gameplay
its easly like hell it gives you an advantage over a regular M4 or an AK.
and you guys are qqing about some extra bullets get lost, Rufus thinks he is the community so far he is afraid to show up in our vent and have a decent convo, while other players do and i convinced almost all players who were pro scar light , you cleary do not see the advantage or you do but you like your scar light to much , meet the real euro community before you start talking like someone who thinks he is smart.
/end of mad
and serioulsy NO ZP > means no income > no income means no site / xtrap updates / xtrap payments/ host payments etc. > NO CF
WOWOWWOW BRAINS HARD TO GET.
What he said.
Scar Light for nerds, end of. -
Scar Light offers more power, accuracy, and w.e.
Resuming: It's a nerd weapon.
ZP: Indeed it maintain the game up. But there's no need to use ZP stuff in leagues, because they offer more bullets, power and sccuracy. The v model of equivalent weapons (GP and ZP) have different origins.
What is origin? It's the position of the weapon in the screen. It have Z, X and Y coordinates. It has a great influence on gameplay, like: Imagine you without any weapon on the screen, just the sight. You gameplay would be poorly bad.
nuff said. -
FamousFoxx wrote: »Did you even read my post? seriously i had enough about your ignorance a Scar light does not "higher the bar" for competitive gameplay
its easly like hell it gives you an advantage over a regular M4 or an AK.
and you guys are qqing about some extra bullets get lost, Rufus thinks he is the community so far he is afraid to show up in our vent and have a decent convo, while other players do and i convinced almost all players who were pro scar light , you cleary do not see the advantage or you do but you like your scar light to much , meet the real euro community before you start talking like someone who thinks he is smart.
/end of mad
and serioulsy NO ZP > means no income > no income means no site / xtrap updates / xtrap payments/ host payments etc. > NO CF
WOWOWWOW BRAINS HARD TO GET.
Look at all those reactions that are ANTI scar light.
Look at our vent
Look at the community
Agree !
S'L is for "kids" without skill ;3 -
Honestly, I hate SLers. But I don't care that much if ZP guns are banned.. or atleast certain ones. Although I did sell most of my GP guns.
Are the guns with next to there names banned? Considering they are exactly the same as there GP counter parts and are just prize fillers, I don't see why they would.. but I figured I'd ask.
EDIT:
I would only agree to GP weapons only if the SL is banned. -
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FamousFoxx wrote: »Did you even read my post? seriously i had enough about your ignorance a Scar light does not "higher the bar" for competitive gameplay
its easly like hell it gives you an advantage over a regular M4 or an AK.
and you guys are qqing about some extra bullets get lost, Rufus thinks he is the community so far he is afraid to show up in our vent and have a decent convo, while other players do and i convinced almost all players who were pro scar light , you cleary do not see the advantage or you do but you like your scar light to much , meet the real euro community before you start talking like someone who thinks he is smart.
/end of mad
and serioulsy NO ZP > means no income > no income means no site / xtrap updates / xtrap payments/ host payments etc. > NO CF
WOWOWWOW BRAINS HARD TO GET.
Look at all those reactions that are ANTI scar light.
Look at our vent
Look at the community
Afraid to show up in your vent? Meet the REAL EU community?
LOL
First off - 30-2 in ESL? Thanks, think ive "meeten n Beaten" enough of the EU community. Second - Sorry mate, it's bad enough im 23 and play FPS games, but you really want me to resolve to play them with random 15 year old german and dutch or american children?
No ta...
Thirdly, I have my own vent, with people my own age, and own intellect whom I have fun with as well as can put together something half descent.
Brains.... BRAINS?!?!? oh christ your so out your league here you have no idea lol!
Do you have have a masters?
No no... no Rufus... why even go or assume th...
ill stop.
This is clearly pointless, so lets end it with 2 simple things.
1. ROC EU ESL Team 5v5 any time, any place fox.
2. I promise you I will Scar L just for you, even though i'm an M4 player.
The End. -
Krijg allemaal kanker, ik probeer ESL op te krikken en jullie gaan zeiken over Scar Light.
Kankerlosers.
Jullie zijn allemaal bang dat je wordt geowned door een 70 pinger in ESL match.
Me hele topic verkankerd door jullie geklaag, lijkt groep 6 wel.
Rufus shall i translate this to english?
All get cancer , i try to put ESL up there and you are qqing about Scar light
Cancer nubs / losers
My whole topic goes to **** / cancer by your qqing , it almost looks like lower school ? .
i like how you are saying , i prefer to talk with my own age group while this kid is raging in dutch to me like some r3****3d guy.
I am making no restrictions on my pug vent , we got various players who are 20+
and yes we got younger people to. if you look to your clan i can easily point 3 players out that are under 17 years
im doing my masters next year GG.
1. Not playing ESL when they still allow that weapon so yea
2. this proves to me that you like your scar light to much.
Also if you look to ESL globally there main issue is not having a good anticheat , equality can be bypassed it is already done by various players.
AFTER all that talking of yours
you still did not defended the scar light, or your league.
Im here , trying to setup a good European community and your just trying to block any attempt to develop the community or trying to make it better.
Im here to help,
Nuff said lets sort this out not on forums but with a decent talk. -
Do you guys do your league matches in the European servers? Does this mean North American teams can now join, and play? As I recall when Area 51 won long time ago, they were told that they can play only if there was a European server, which now there is. So what's the update?
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esl is way way way more cool then wogl and the other thingys, and americans playing in it??? :O best ideea ever
wold be awsome(as long as it is on the eu server), and to the little kids who rage about scarlight? this game is still point and shoot and you still fail in life. badly. now go play counter-strike cuz there you won't find overpowerd guns -
FamousFoxx wrote: »Scar light league, bah no real competition
but we do support the ESL gathers on our vent feel free to use it for a ESL gather.
Scar Light is only a skill against other players using a Scar light.
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lawl had to many long convo's on xfire or vent with friday about it.
Buying the ZP weapons supports the game without ZP no crossfire.
ESL should not look only at there own league but more to te general community + other leagues,
and i think almost all the pug players agree on the Scar Light ban we have on the EPC vent.
I can say that the EPC is the european community since we already handeld 2x 16 team draft third one is this friday.
Now my own opinion on this question im ANTI Scar light and ANTI ZP
the best thing ESL or any league can do is follow the WOGL rules + a ZP ban.
Famous
Hi, friday here on alt. account:
My personal opinion about this epic drama has been stated more often, whether some of you start understanding or keep acting fools.
I told more often that in my books will never ever be bans of SL for following reasons:
-SL has been a part of this game from the very beginning (update from 1.0.0.7 - 1.0.0.8 or something) This update has been released in april 2009.
-SL can be purchased for regular GP, it's not even expensive and basicly every player can purchase it if given necessary patience not to buy M4A1 regular.
-WOGL originally has been created for North American-, Canadian players.
-ESL isn't going to adopt some 3rd party rules from a league which is limited on 4 games total. This league is the biggest competitive league in Europe and it represents companies in collaboration and gaming.
ZP Items have been baned from ESL for following reasons:
-Game shall be rewinded to it's roots.
-Every player has same chances, this is guaranteed with restriction of ZP Items which give their owners unfair effects. Don't you think Z8 earns enough from the players if 70% already bought SPOP or any other equiptment. Don't forget these companies aren't launching these games for fun, they want to make money either way. So don't think this game wouldn't survive if a group of players doesn't ZP Items for one hour in ESL Matches.
-If players from thershold countries play this game which is actually for free and can't afford ZP Items this is simply unfair in my books.
Lets return to WOGL AND SL:
Some players might remember that lots of American, Canadian teams got really mad about losing to well organized Euro-teams. Which includes eXilium IND, FranceExtreme, Airwalk and ofcourse lots of other.
Anyone has been complaining about SL? No!
This started just because a small group of self proclaimed 'pro's' which launched WOGL was fed up with hearing bad North American teams complaining about getting shot with SL by Euros, simply because this was the only decent opportunity for Euros to shoot other laggy Euros or Americans, Canadians with those high pings I don't even like to think of (happily playing with 28 now).
So basicly kids still think that WOGL which unites teams from all continents makes restrictions for weapons, because they went into material and tested every weapon for it's power.
Here comes the inconvenient truth which guarantees the barrage from forums with this alt. account either:
This league grants players ZP prizes and has to allow Items following from ZP just to keep the collaboration to Z8 alive, else this league gets unattractive for the players.
ESL isn't commited to any other company, it's stand alone and it has no need to make unpredictable restrictions like SL and allow ZP items on the other hand.
Again for following reasons:
-GSG9 allowed (Why would this character cost 8200zp = 9 bucks or so' if it has no real advantage, but the colour of skin ? SAS also has been added nearly at the same time and looks pretty similar, but the colour of the skin. Think yourself: Why should something without real improvement cost real money? Same goes for other weapons like M4 Custom and other weaps, they all cost real $ for special reaons I don't like to list, you can think yourself, bigger clip, faster reloads, more damage, bigger range, less recoil, etc.)
-Spop's harder to snipe, agree, forbidden in WOGL, ESL
So guys, before you start complaining about something use your own brain and think yourself, instead of believing in somebody's lies or foreign convictions.
@Treni:
1.I won't dirt this thread with your name anymore, since you're actually not worth any of my letters, but: You're an angry kid, 14-15, never played where it matters, always used to skip your clans like underpants without being loved for talking way too much trash.
2. You also cought someone's opinion, don't have own?
I've played every single match on ESL without SPOP, or any other unfair improvement, and never took SL and still was a legend, I've been playing the very first pug vent from Lifeline with Bio and some others, you've been a silent kid back in the days when eX was active. Now that this team left for the reasons stated above you start barking at others. So I'm telling you for the love of god: NoNames like you have to keep their mouth shut, don't bark, don't bother others.
I remember you byting dust every pug. But someone got busted with hacks on precious WOGL and returend few dates later on alt. account.
GG, over and out,
sincerly fridayyy, eXilium IND baby -
Atleast my friend Friday gives the right arguments and i love to discuss this with him , we had to many long ventrilo convo's and xfire talk about this.
My turn.
1. Scar light was in the game from the start i agree.
but it has been modified from the start of the game to so if you would compare a scar light this moment with a previous scar light there wil be a huge diffrence. also going back to the roots ZP was in the game from almos the start.
2. i will skipp this since this is a known fact.
3. This doesnt mean ESL cant look to other comepetive site's rules , i think if you want to be a good leauge you should always look to the community and other communities
4. i already said i was PRO ban ZP items , but not ANTI ZP since when you buy ZP it shows that you support the game. ESL should look to each individual weapon to decide if its such bit of an advantage. like i dont c how 5 extra bullets and an knife on your AK would make any diffrence. but i do c that silenced weapons give you a big of an advantage
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"Anyone has been complaining about SL? No!
This started just because a small group of self proclaimed 'pro's' which launched WOGL was fed up with hearing bad North American teams complaining about getting shot with SL by Euros, simply because this was the only decent opportunity for Euros to shoot other laggy Euros or Americans, Canadians with those high pings I don't even like to think of (happily playing with 28 now)."
your basicly saying here that Europeans used a scar light over a normal m4/ak to kill the yanks. Which means you find a advantage in the Scar light then normal weapons which we are trying to remove. It makes no sense Euro's normaly dont lag in Uk server
Also the times have changed if you even look to this thread you will c various Exxilum players also are against SL, if you talk to Airwalk pistol + Crys they also agree on the ban of SL. FranceXtrem never came on my vent so i cant say what happend to them.
5. So ESL is giving out ZP for the winners but is not willing to have the ZP weapons in the game sounds prety weird to me.
IDEA + EDIT : We could accutaly have a meeting about this? with some ESL admins + leading players in the Euro branch? -
I'll cut it sh0rt. (wth censor?)
SCAR Light being allowed for going 'back to the roots' is wannabe-nostalgic, ZP items were added around the same time, if not pre-SL.
It being GP doesn't make it balanced.
By your logic every player that doesn't buy ZP should make a new account to be on the same level as everyone else, if they bought another gun with the original GP bonuses.
Of course they don't though, they buy ZP like everyone else. The only difference is that if they buy an OP'd gun for ZP, they can't play. If they buy one for GP with the ZP, they'll bring it home.
I won't even go in to the actual stats of the SL since we all know the arguments against it being a balanced gun are overwhelming.
Peace. -
Don't mix my words your own way son!
I never said ZP is bad at all. I just said players can abandon of using them in league matches. Who ever gets the opportunity to buy some will do so, if CS had this opportunity I'm sure load of players would also spend vast amounts on that!
SL got baned from WOGL so long ago, EU servers weren't even on schedule and Z8 kept promising
It doesn't matter what they say. The only player who used SL on ESL was Vintage_.
He doesn't play anymore after faking screenshots.
ESL never delievered any ZP prizes, but GP
No need for this, since you can't be everybodies darling and don't forget everyone's opinion is imporant not these pros' only! And where do you actually like to base your choice on, who's the European leading PRO ?
Everyone's equal in my eyes and just 2 Users of 1800 on ESL have complained after new ruling concerning ZP on ESL's forums. Everyone welcomes it, but some guys with retrograde convictions from leagues with totally other systems and aims are still trying to back up something which is far away from Europe.
@DOT.
Lets act serious now.
Smallest amount of ZP to buy is 10.000, right?
How much's transforming ZP into GP ? 10.000 ZP = 120.000 GP, right? How much's SL? 43.000 GP?
How much are those ZP goodies? Cheapest 1700 ZP Armours for 7 days? How many players have them for more than 360 days and still cry about SL?
Lets stop IQ'ing, else we could be regarded as philosophs, some old men said wisely. -
Ok well , i respect your opinion i hope you respect mine.
ESL is open for every european clan / player
So is the European Pug Community
We should support each other there is no need for blocking any of those 2.
/case closed i would say.
Famous
" If you know your not gonna change anything its prety useless to argue" -
Players can't abandon ZP - ZP purchases is basically a must to be competitive in ESL for the general user - since most people don't buy SL as their first weapon.Don't mix my words your own way son!
I never said ZP is bad at all. I just said players can abandon of using them in league matches. Who ever gets the opportunity to buy some will do so, if CS had this opportunity I'm sure load of players would also spend vast amounts on that!
SL got baned from WOGL so long ago, EU servers weren't even on schedule and Z8 kept promising
It doesn't matter what they say. The only player who used SL on ESL was Vintage_.
He doesn't play anymore after faking screenshots.
ESL never delievered any ZP prizes, but GP
No need for this, since you can't be everybodies darling and don't forget everyone's opinion is imporant not these pros' only! And where do you actually like to base your choice on, who's the European leading PRO ?
Everyone's equal in my eyes and just 2 Users of 1800 on ESL have complained after new ruling concerning ZP on ESL's forums. Everyone welcomes it, but some guys with retrograde convictions from leagues with totally other systems and aims are still trying to back up something which is far away from Europe.
@DOT.
Lets act serious now.
Smallest amount of ZP to buy is 10.000, right?
How much's transforming ZP into GP ? 10.000 ZP = 120.000 GP, right? How much's SL? 43.000 GP?
How much are those ZP goodies? Cheapest 1700 ZP Armours for 7 days? How many players have them for more than 360 days and still cry about SL?
Lets stop IQ'ing, else we could be regarded as philosophs, some old men said wisely.
ESL delivered cash prizes. I guess its for candy though.
I don't follow your reasoning in the part actually directed towards me, as it doesn't counter any of my arguments.
For the average player, ZP is a must to be competitive in ESL - even if its not spent on ZP weapons.
Which truly goes with the 'balance'-theme ESL promotes.
Peace twice.
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