Quality Assurance
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-No problem.This is what I was waiting for, Thanks.
-I actually took the time to read your post, the idea behind it is, in my own opinion, something that is completely useless. If you are not able to take criticism from people from the community you are trying to establish yourself in, then you're the one who needs to beat himself with a hammer.Ohhhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyyy gooooooooooooooood.
I'M not trying to raise any status. Please calm yourself, re-read my post, and if you STILL believe that I am only doing this to make people in the community love me and do what I want them to, beat yourself over the head with a hammer.
Then come post.
The point being, I have nothing against you or anyone you listed, I could careless, and I'm not mad because I am not on your list, again, I could really careless, I was just letting people know I am against any kind of elite in a gaming community, we already have moderators that do the job fairly well and that can actually anwser our questions and talk to the higher placed members of the Z8 organisation.
Again, this is my own opinion, I think the community doesn't need any ''pro-glitcher that was suspended from WOGL for glitching in a draft'' to help with how the game is made, or any pro/experienced/competitives guy's to ensure quality for others. -
-No problem.
-I actually took the time to read your post, the idea behind it is, in my own opinion, something that is completely useless. If you are not able to take criticism from people from the community you are trying to establish yourself in, then you're the one who needs to beat himself with a hammer.
The point being, I have nothing against you or anyone you listed, I could careless, and I'm not mad because I am not on your list, again, I could really careless, I was just letting people know I am against any kind of elite in a gaming community, we already have moderators that do the job fairly well and that can actually anwser our questions and talk to the higher placed members of the Z8 organisation.
Again, this is my own opinion, I think the community doesn't need any ''pro-glitcher that was suspended from WOGL for glitching in a draft'' to help with how the game is made, or any pro/experienced/competitives guy's to ensure quality for others.
You still have the wrong mindset. I'm not going to accept criticism for something that I didn't even do. That's what your criticism was applying to.
You seem to think I want to form some kind of hierarchy. I don't I want to help improve the game. By group the people who, IMO know the most about the game together and giving those people more access to getting their opinions heard, you help get the game going in the right direction.
I'm not saying "Hey, I make these named people into supermods." If this actually got going, all it would be is a few people with more contact with the GMs.
You're getting mad at me because you think I think that just because I can glitch I should be given "power." Let me stress again that this is not "power" over the community, and it is is "power" to help improve the game.
Unless you think patching glitches isn't improving the game.
The hammer thing was a joke, please take it.
I really don't care how the community sees me, only how I can improve the game. Until you realize that, there's no point in you responding, because any points you make will be out of context. -
real question is why would competitive players care about the rest of the community?
People don't just jump into scrims man.
Pub -> Find crappy clan -> Scrim -> Lose -> Lose -> Find better team/want to get better -> Better clan -> Matches -
[MOD]Bruce wrote: »People don't just jump into scrims man.
Pub -> Find crappy clan -> Scrim -> Lose -> Lose -> Find better team/want to get better -> Better clan -> Matches
yea, so that's something people gotta go through on their own. emulating other people won't make that player goodRead the original post
. It's not for the community, but for the game itself.
i.e. Fixing glitches, etc.
pretty sure there is a bug report / technical problem section for a reason. the mods/gm's are competent people don't need us to tell them things they already know -
You still have the wrong mindset. I'm not going to accept criticism for something that I didn't even do. That's what your criticism was applying to.
You seem to think I want to form some kind of hierarchy. I don't I want to help improve the game. By group the people who, IMO know the most about the game together and giving those people more access to getting their opinions heard, you help get the game going in the right direction.
I'm not saying "Hey, I make these named people into supermods." If this actually got going, all it would be is a few people with more contact with the GMs.
You're getting mad at me because you think I think that just because I can glitch I should be given "power." Let me stress again that this is not "power" over the community, and it is is "power" to help improve the game.
Unless you think patching glitches isn't improving the game.
The hammer thing was a joke, please take it.
I really don't care how the community sees me, only how I can improve the game. Until you realize that, there's no point in you responding, because any points you make will be out of context.
My bad if I got the wrong idea out of what you are trying to do. I just don't think anyone that plays the game should be able to have ''power to improve the game'' simply because you never know what these ''power players'' can request and/or think of the game. Your idea is good, don't get me wrong, I just don't digg it, and therefor I think it shouldn't happend.
As for you thinking I am mad, you should get to know me, anyone in LL you might know can tell I'm pretty laid back on everything, especially on gaming and forum trolling.
I think the group of players you just listed could maybe have a thread where only them can post (a sticky or something) on the forums to tell everyone what's wrong and what should be improved with the game and speak for the community, but with the only power to express the community's opinion, nothing else (no titles (Mod or w.e), no specific ranks, no power to actually change stuff)...
Keep posting, we're getting somewhere. -
My bad if I got the wrong idea out of what you are trying to do. I just don't think anyone that plays the game should be able to have ''power to improve the game'' simply because you never know what these ''power players'' can request and/or think of the game. Your idea is good, don't get me wrong, I just don't digg it, and therefor I think it shouldn't happend.
As for you thinking I am mad, you should get to know me, anyone in LL you might know can tell I'm pretty laid back on everything, especially on gaming and forum trolling.
I think the group of players you just listed could maybe have a thread where only them can post (a sticky or something) on the forums to tell everyone what's wrong and what should be improved with the game and speak for the community, but with the only power to express the community's opinion, nothing else (no titles (Mod or w.e), no specific ranks, no power to actually change stuff)...
Keep posting, we're getting somewhere.
The way you phrased your sentences mad you seem mad, especially adding in the jibe about WOGL. If I'm given logical reason to assume something, I do :P
And you have a completely valid point, there's an obvious flaw that, by choosing specific people to represent the masses, may be misrepresented. However, if the theoretical QA team was to push a decision on the GMs, and if the GMs made a post about the decision in question, the community could give it's response. If the GMs decided that the QA team wasn't representing the community as best they could, then the team would be removed/replaced.
The entire point of have a player based QA team would really be to have an extra push when it comes to making community desired descisions, not giving descision making power to a small few.
IMO making a thread that only the listed people could post on has potential, but it seems that if it was really about just making threads, getting the entire community to post on one thread about a specific descision would be more effective as the sheer volume of posters would be the enforcement behind it.
IMO having a team in direct contact with Z8 would be the most effective. -
That's if Z8 accepts to be in contact with you guy's... lol
I think the MODs we have atm do a pretty good job at talking to the CMs about the issues players have in game. An example would be the WOGL tourney with it's restrictions towards some guns players tought were an unfair advantage.
The idea is good, but like I said, like it or not, there are some players that love SPOP and SL, and no one in your list can represent them. Same thing with people that play MM, not that it's been out long enough to have any player to be a reference towards it either, but yeah... don't forget people who play this game for fun, there are no SnD ''for fun'' players in your list...
I agree on some projects some players made, like making a channel official for scrims for competitive players (Echo 8) with weapon restrictions into the channels, I agree with the fact that a group of players could also help improving the game, yet, it's not general enough.
The solution would be that everyone in your list and/or out of it talks to a current MOD (Bruce, DeadEye, Alex, etc.) about what they think is wrong about the game, then after, have that MOD talk to a CM, and then it's the responsability of that CM to make the right moves.
Cutting the step where players have to get to MODs (by making CM'S accessible to a certain group of players that know the game) about their problems is not something you would want to do. Why? Because the MODs are there to regroup all the messages/ideas they get through forums/PM's etc. into a smaller list of ''THINGS TO DO''. Then, they could speak for the complete community regarding issues in the game to the guy's who own Z8games and CrossFire. -
That's if Z8 accepts to be in contact with you guy's... lol
Everything I'm saying is theoretical.
I think the MODs we have atm do a pretty good job at talking to the CMs about the issues players have in game. An example would be the WOGL tourney with it's restrictions towards some guns players thought were an unfair advantage.
I don't believe that had anything to do with talking to the GMs, as WOGL was the organization that ran the tourney.
The idea is good, but like I said, like it or not, there are some players that love SPOP and SL, and no one in your list can represent them. Same thing with people that play MM, not that it's been out long enough to have any player to be a reference towards it either, but yeah... don't forget people who play this game for fun, there are no SnD ''for fun'' players in your list...
Obviously not every group will be represented, however, my thoughts were only for pressing addition to the game, not removing them. Also, from what I've seen (however there's an obvious chance for bias) the only people that are really trying to push things are the GM players and the competitive SnD players.
I agree on some projects some players made, like making a channel official for scrims for competitive players (Echo 8) with weapon restrictions into the channels, I agree with the fact that a group of players could also help improving the game, yet, it's not general enough.
The solution would be that everyone in your list and/or out of it talks to a current MOD (Bruce, DeadEye, Alex, etc.) about what they think is wrong about the game, then after, have that MOD talk to a CM, and then it's the responsability of that CM to make the right moves.
Cutting the step where players have to get to MODs (by making CM'S accessible to a certain group of players that know the game) about their problems is not something you would want to do. Why? Because the MODs are there to regroup all the messages/ideas they get through forums/PM's etc. into a smaller list of ''THINGS TO DO''. Then, they could speak for the complete community regarding issues in the game to the guy's who own Z8games and CrossFire.
What's unfortunate is that our "CM" isn't doing his job very well. Compared to Light, Fallen is doing a really poor job of managing our community. If he spends more time with the community, then any kind of QA team wouldn't be necessary at all. -
What's unfortunate is that our "CM" isn't doing his job very well. Compared to Light, Fallen is doing a really poor job of managing our community. If he spends more time with the community, then any kind of QA team wouldn't be necessary at all.
Agreed. And I think players and MODs were actually questionned on what guns/maps/items should be allowed in the tourney. I mean, if you recall the first cast between LL and Trio, the guy commenting about the game didn't know much about the same, same for the officers of WOGL. A group of well known players (kind of a QA team) were helpfull, altho the MODs were the biggest influences (thinking about Alex and Bruce). -
FYI,
There is nothing wrong with community desire to improve the game. Nor is there anything wrong with doing whatever you can from the players perspective to do so.
You know how to get in touch with the GM's and while most of the current issues are known, we're always looking for more evidence, proper reproductions and ways to help the game. Also, one of the reasons why I brought in more mods. The community needs to grow and it has to start at the top. The more people you can get in touch with and the more avenues you have, the more reliable we can get the necessary information from you.
But this won't "speed" up the process. We don't code the game, we host and support the game. So while it is wonderful that a player found a glitch, gave us a reproduction and evidence I think that you (or others) fail to realize that just because a glitch is found doesn't mean there is going to be a patch the next day to fix it.
Even AAA game design studio's don't work that way.
Video games are and always will be an iterative process.
Also, we can't give access to information on future patches, development dialogues between the developers and us or other things, because that would break the rules set out in the license, the contract with the devs and our own company private policy.
So yes, Community Initiation is excellent. And I commend people that want to help improve things. And please, come to me when you have those things set out. Instead of starting flame wars, spam attacks or trolling forums. Take your crew, get an accurate reproduction of a glitch/bug. Send it to us with detailed documentation. Replays, Screenshots, videos etc. We will be happy to take those in an include them with our dialogues with the developers so we can get as many issues fixed with each patch as possible. -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »FYI,
There is nothing wrong with community desire to improve the game. Nor is there anything wrong with doing whatever you can from the players perspective to do so.
You know how to get in touch with the GM's and while most of the current issues are known, we're always looking for more evidence, proper reproductions and ways to help the game. Also, one of the reasons why I brought in more mods. The community needs to grow and it has to start at the top. The more people you can get in touch with and the more avenues you have, the more reliable we can get the necessary information from you.
But this won't "speed" up the process. We don't code the game, we host and support the game. So while it is wonderful that a player found a glitch, gave us a reproduction and evidence I think that you (or others) fail to realize that just because a glitch is found doesn't mean there is going to be a patch the next day to fix it.
Even AAA game design studio's don't work that way.
Video games are and always will be an iterative process.
Also, we can't give access to information on future patches, development dialogues between the developers and us or other things, because that would break the rules set out in the license, the contract with the devs and our own company private policy.
So yes, Community Initiation is excellent. And I commend people that want to help improve things. And please, come to me when you have those things set out. Instead of starting flame wars, spam attacks or trolling forums. Take your crew, get an accurate reproduction of a glitch/bug. Send it to us with detailed documentation. Replays, Screenshots, videos etc. We will be happy to take those in an include them with our dialogues with the developers so we can get as many issues fixed with each patch as possible.
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