*Facepalm* I seriously hope...
This situation of hacks improves soon.
Its almost getting as bad as the game guard days. Especially since there's now... Wait for it...
Ghosts with guns, shooting from the spawn.
Yes, as if the speeders, chammers and botters weren't enough, we get taken out by 'unknown' enemies by weapons across a map. lol. The only way to figure it out is process of elimination from the kinda BL team that's honest.
I don't know about the rest of you, but.... the recoding of CF seemed to do more damage than prevent. I can at least deal with chammers. Not this. Any way to roll it back?
I'd rather not hide in my hole till this either blows over or nothing changes at all. Its hard to find incentive to pay for this game and support it, when it doesn't support you back.
/end rant. Just wanted to express my feelings.
Its almost getting as bad as the game guard days. Especially since there's now... Wait for it...
Ghosts with guns, shooting from the spawn.
Yes, as if the speeders, chammers and botters weren't enough, we get taken out by 'unknown' enemies by weapons across a map. lol. The only way to figure it out is process of elimination from the kinda BL team that's honest.
I don't know about the rest of you, but.... the recoding of CF seemed to do more damage than prevent. I can at least deal with chammers. Not this. Any way to roll it back?
I'd rather not hide in my hole till this either blows over or nothing changes at all. Its hard to find incentive to pay for this game and support it, when it doesn't support you back.
/end rant. Just wanted to express my feelings.
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Completely agree! I get that it is a free game but people still pay for s*it! I've dealt with the same thing you have as I'm sure, the rest of the non-hacking crossfire community has also. They really need to get things together, this getting as bad as it was day 1.
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This situation of hacks improves soon.
Its almost getting as bad as the game guard days. Especially since there's now... Wait for it...
Ghosts with guns, shooting from the spawn.
Yes, as if the speeders, chammers and botters weren't enough, we get taken out by 'unknown' enemies by weapons across a map. lol. The only way to figure it out is process of elimination from the kinda BL team that's honest.
I don't know about the rest of you, but.... the recoding of CF seemed to do more damage than prevent. I can at least deal with chammers. Not this. Any way to roll it back?
I'd rather not hide in my hole till this either blows over or nothing changes at all. Its hard to find incentive to pay for this game and support it, when it doesn't support you back.
/end rant. Just wanted to express my feelings.
Are you talking about a person in GM?
If not I think this happened to me earlier today and I was informed it was a bug by a mod... Look up my earlier thread from today http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=95323 -
DeadLikeMe wrote: »Are you talking about a person in GM?
If not I think this happened to me earlier today and I was informed it was a bug by a mod... Look up my earlier thread from today called Was this a hack?
This was not 'a' person, it was multiple instances, in different rooms, different games, different people and so on. This is no freakin bug. No matter what excuses the MOD's seem to shield it as. It was not just mere coincidence.
They know what many problems are, they just don't like admitting it seems. -
This was not 'a' person, it was multiple instances, in different rooms, different games, different people and so on. This is no freakin bug. No matter what excuses the MOD's seem to shield it as. It was not just mere coincidence.
They know what many problems are, they just don't like admitting it seems.
And you think mods are the ones who deal with ingame problems?
herp derp -
K_Vermillion wrote: »And you think mods are the ones who deal with ingame problems?
herp derp
They try and make it seem like they do, but of course we all know how well that's going for them aren't we? If they don't have the power they should stop pretending to make it seem like they do. They are the ones claiming its a glitch, but where's the proof?
Secondly, these new batch of 'GMs' are the ones with the power. Yet to see them in route of effectiveness and provide the true answers. -
Figures, I expected this for most threads. No backup support from the mods or gms to their claims.
Plus, additional evidence to my theory considering there has been a few threads with players in our Crossfire that have guns not even available yet, like the M4 Crystal Custom.
Thirdly if this was some 'glitch', how do you explain it happening in GM eh? Where the GR are held in'/before/after spawn lock and start getting picked off randomly by RPK-Golds and M4-Adv's? Its HIGHLY unlikely any random ghost would:
A) Be aware they are under such a 'glitch'.
How would they know the positions of the GR if they can't see or 'aim' at them to use such a glitch?
C) Happen with multiple people, but not anyone that I know? No one I've encountered that wasn't a hacker to begin with randomly got this 'glitch'.
But, if it IS a 'glitch', apparently there should be a way to replicate it then.
Also, if that is indeed the case, then I assume Z8 can't penalize anyone who does it then since its not the player's fault, its the coders. As you can't assume its an intentional glitch.
More work for you, using that excuse if so. Means you have to deal with the raging of the codes all over again and be unable to do squat until the next patch.
I have a replay of a game with a series of those 'glitchers' that I plan to review. Then I'm going to upload it and place it here. To show you what it actually is. Since screenshots don't seem to be enough for you guys.
If this is indeed a glitch, you guys royally messed up this one. lol.
Also... convenient these 'glitches' just started happening. Why weren't these going on since the beginning of the patch? Maybe I'll get lucky one of these days and 'glitch' getting a barett. One can hope. lol -
I believe there was a glitch which replicated *similar* results. The player would be invisible, and kills would appear as suicides. However, you would not have increased speed or be able to fire (AFAIK).
Seems like a combination of speed (or noclip) and weapon hacks (possibly aimbot?). BL would be invisible for being Ghosts, they would speed run to your base (or fire through walls) and kill you at spawn (possibly aimbotting, since blatant cheaters often have limited skill). If you have a good replay, perhaps post it or send a support ticket. -
Figures, I expected this for most threads. No backup support from the mods or gms to their claims.
Plus, additional evidence to my theory considering there has been a few threads with players in our Crossfire that have guns not even available yet, like the M4 Crystal Custom.
Thirdly if this was some 'glitch', how do you explain it happening in GM eh? Where the GR are held in'/before/after spawn lock and start getting picked off randomly by RPK-Golds and M4-Adv's? Its HIGHLY unlikely any random ghost would:
A) Be aware they are under such a 'glitch'. How would they know the positions of the GR if they can't see or 'aim' at them to use such a glitch?
C) Happen with multiple people, but not anyone that I know? No one I've encountered that wasn't a hacker to begin with randomly got this 'glitch'.
But, if it IS a 'glitch', apparently there should be a way to replicate it then.
Also, if that is indeed the case, then I assume Z8 can't penalize anyone who does it then since its not the player's fault, its the coders. As you can't assume its an intentional glitch.
More work for you, using that excuse if so. Means you have to deal with the raging of the codes all over again and be unable to do squat until the next patch.
I have a replay of a game with a series of those 'glitchers' that I plan to review. Then I'm going to upload it and place it here. To show you what it actually is. Since screenshots don't seem to be enough for you guys.
If this is indeed a glitch, you guys royally messed up this one. lol.
Also... convenient these 'glitches' just started happening. Why weren't these going on since the beginning of the patch? Maybe I'll get lucky one of these days and 'glitch' getting a barett. One can hope. lol
http://www.xfire.com/video/3721b0/
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This is the glitch. How would they know the positions of the GR if they can't see or 'aim' at them to use such a glitch?
They know the positions because to them everything is normal, but to us they are spinnig around.Also, if that is indeed the case, then I assume Z8 can't penalize anyone who does it then since its not the player's fault
They dont ban you for it.
I have even done it myself.
http://www.xfire.com/video/30ead4/
http://www.xfire.com/video/30e997/ -
I believe there was a glitch which replicated *similar* results. The player would be invisible, and kills would appear as suicides. However, you would not have increased speed or be able to fire (AFAIK).
Seems like a combination of speed (or noclip) and weapon hacks (possibly aimbot?). BL would be invisible for being Ghosts, they would speed run to your base (or fire through walls) and kill you at spawn (possibly aimbotting, since blatant cheaters often have limited skill). If you have a good replay, perhaps post it or send a support ticket.
Its hard to believe that a glitch could produce this drastic of a glitch with those who have the means to eliminate GR squads in less than a second. Even the speedhacks don't bypass the spawnlock, as its based on the round timer.
As far as I know this 'glitch' happens to those visible as well as invisible. But regardless of that fact, it still needs to be explained. But the fact is how can 'they fire through walls' if its not a weapon hack? Thye need a weapon thats obviously not a knife, unless long knife is back again too.
However, even if I have a replay, I'm not going to send in a support ticket, its pointless it seems. As the MOD's and GM's clearly beleive this is a glitch and will dismiss it as such. Its not the first time they've ignored something.
Currently the evidence weighs in my favour, and the lack of wording from the higher ups usually means they are trying to find 'ways' to make it seem true to their word. Like any normal company, they want to make it look as a simple thing thats not to be bothered with. Makes them look good. -
http://www.xfire.com/video/3721b0/
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This is the glitch.
They know the positions because to them everything is normal, but to us they are spinnig around.
They dont ban you for it.
I have even done it myself.
http://www.xfire.com/video/30ead4/
http://www.xfire.com/video/30e997/
The dead body is indeed a bug, we've had that for ages.
The one I speak of is entirely different than a simple speedhack or dead body glitch.
As I said, if it is a bug, they really messed up and shouldn't even be running the game in this poor of a state. Fix it right, or not at all. We don't need constant bugged patches. -
The dead body is indeed a bug, we've had that for ages.
The one I speak of is entirely different than a simple speedhack or dead body glitch.
As I said, if it is a bug, they really messed up and shouldn't even be running the game in this poor of a state. Fix it right, or not at all. We don't need constant bugged patches.
Was it anything like this?
http://www.xfire.com/video/3721b0/ -
The only thing similar was being killed with a suicide symbol by someone. Thats all. But from what I saw from replays the actual bug in that case is when said player fires at you, but doesn't count as their kill.
Doesn't explain the fact a Ghost can manage to accomplish this all the way from their spawn point during lockdown. -
KingstarKB wrote: »^.^ Yes there are many hackers now but [GM]Saidin said they know about the speed hack and its currently being worked against. It should be patched in the halloween patch.
Sorry for not reading the whole thread. Only read first post. ^^
Sadly I don't consider this to be a speedhack. I've been killed by many speed hackers and their name and weapon still shows. This is something else entirely, and forgive me, but I am doubting Saidin more and more each day. He knows why.
If this is indeed a speedhack, its a very advanced version of such, thats just as bad as what the actual haks that replicate it would be. -
As I said before:As far as I know this 'glitch' happens to those visible as well as invisible. But regardless of that fact, it still needs to be explained. But the fact is how can 'they fire through walls' if its not a weapon hack?
If the ghosts were indeed firing, it's not the glitch. A combination of weapon and noclip hacking would explain this. If you remember a few patches back, noclip was the hack that allowed shooting through walls and allowed free movement, regardless of walls.Seems like a combination of ... noclip ... and weapon
If you don't believe in the report system, what can be done? Your other choice is to publicise the matter - upload an instance on YouTube, release it on the forums.
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As I said before:
If the ghosts were indeed firing, it's not the glitch. A combination of weapon and noclip hacking would explain this. If you remember a few patches back, noclip was the hack that allowed shooting through walls and allowed free movement, regardless of walls.
If you don't believe in the report system, what can be done? Your other choice is to publicise the matter - upload an instance on YouTube, release it on the forums.
However, I find the "suicide" part rather mysterious.
lol your so dignified in how you type. :-D -
As I said before:
If the ghosts were indeed firing, it's not the glitch. A combination of weapon and noclip hacking would explain this. If you remember a few patches back, noclip was the hack that allowed shooting through walls and allowed free movement, regardless of walls.
If you don't believe in the report system, what can be done? Your other choice is to publicise the matter - upload an instance on YouTube, release it on the forums.
However, I find the "suicide" part rather mysterious.
Your probably right and that's my main suspicion now. Getting the admins to admit this however will probably be more difficult. I remember the noclip and even the weapon haks that the game suffered from before. So I'm no stranger to this, the only thing that's changed is this odd suicide kill bug that seems to be a side effect.
As for the report system, its usually a way for those who don't wish it to be public to store in the dark depths. No action is done, and no one is aware. But yes, I am going to post the evidence here for player awareness. Since the admins themselves seem to fail doing that.
From personal experience, these guys only seem to actually do anything about it when it becomes a public problem and it affects them. -
K_Vermillion wrote: »Weapon hacking and no-clip hacking is server sided and therefore illegal.
No real hack site provides any of that in fear of being sued...
If it came from Brazil, how can anyone touch them? They are the #1 hacking place in the world. Or close to it. I'm pretty sure hacking a small game is not the biggest thing they've done and gotten away with.
This is assuming the devs were also truthful about those particular hacks being turned into server side. Besides, weapon hack, technically doesn't edit any databases permanently, so there's no real proof other than videos. Since it doesn't save the weapons permanently.
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If it came from Brazil, how can anyone touch them? They are the #1 hacking place in the world. Or close to it. I'm pretty sure hacking a small game is not the biggest thing they've done and gotten away with.
This is assuming the devs were also truthful about those particular hacks being turned into server side. Besides, weapon hack, technically doesn't edit any databases permanently, so there's no real proof other than videos. Since it doesn't save the weapons permanently.
They also said speedhack was serversided. Explain.
Speedhack is supposed to be serversided. It disconnects speedhackers, yet the 'em pee gee h script kids' have found their way around that too. -
K_Vermillion wrote: »Speedhack is supposed to be serversided. It disconnects speedhackers, yet the 'em pee gee h script kids' have found their way around that too.
Supposed to, but if it is illegal, Z8 obviously hasn't acted upon it or their own protections stop them from doing so, or they have a clever bypass. Regardless that possible same bypass they used could have been worked into old hacks like these noclips and weapon haks. Which worries me now, as it would make sense. They dug into xtrap, and they decided to delve even deeper with old ones.
Also, if they do it well enough and play right, I've seen Speeders last an entire game. Most usually DC when their box model glitches visually along the disconnect boundaries too much. Like any glitcher trying to go out of bounds. So its generally the super fast ones that do.
Something tells me, things are going to get ugly very quickly if thats the case. -
You do realize z8 is not responsible for cheaters?
First of all, xtrap is responsible for providing good patches in order to stop most if not all cheats. And it has been doing its job... slowly. It patches practically most hacks after a while, but yeah, it's slow at finding cheats/patching them.
And also, the kids who cheat are, most of all, responsible. I don't get the reason as to why you would cheat. To look good on an internet game you're terrible at? Or just to ruin other people's fun? Meh, I guess I'm not the only one who doesn't understand this... -
K_Vermillion wrote: »You do realize z8 is not responsible for cheaters?
First of all, xtrap is responsible for providing good patches in order to stop most if not all cheats. And it has been doing its job... slowly. It patches practically most hacks after a while, but yeah, it's slow at finding cheats/patching them.
And also, the kids who cheat are, most of all, responsible. I don't get the reason as to why you would cheat. To look good on an internet game you're terrible at? Or just to ruin other people's fun? Meh, I guess I'm not the only one who doesn't understand this...
By Z8 I mean the company/game itself, using as their name, as I'm lazy to type each individual sub-company involved, they are the face. Xtrap basically takes their game code and shields certian aspects that makes it vulnerable based on the games code, hence why every game is unique in terms of encounters via game/anti-cheats.
After CF changed their coding as they claimed upon the patch, you can see quite the harm it did to the anti-cheat engine. This -might- be temporary, considering they left a huge gap open. As Xtrap no longer had all the bases covered. I find this a failure to notify Xtrap of this change and patch both at the same time.
Chances are whenever they decide to mess with the code, Xtrap will flop for a bit. Its a great anti-cheat, but in this case, I don't see it as the only fault in this instance, but the Cf company as well.
Sadly the bit about the last part, most of them do it to get fun out of ruining other people's fun. This is a society we live in these days. Your either on top, or no where at all. Regardless of how you get there. They will do anything to boost their self esteem and ego, and defend it brutally when its questioned. Those who don't care obviously love the raging and thrive off it. Probably to make them feel better about themselves. Just my estimation. Hacks are pointless, there is never a real legitimate reason to use em. -
If it came from Brazil, how can anyone touch them? They are the #1 hacking place in the world. Or close to it. I'm pretty sure hacking a small game is not the biggest thing they've done and gotten away with.
This is assuming the devs were also truthful about those particular hacks being turned into server side. Besides, weapon hack, technically doesn't edit any databases permanently, so there's no real proof other than videos. Since it doesn't save the weapons permanently.
They also said speedhack was serversided. Explain.
Kelathe, it's Polleus. The such GM hack you are speaking of, if anyone can remember, is actually an age old cheat that happened (the exact one you speak of) during the days of Game Guard. It is not a glitch, in any case. I've seen it before, I've been against it, I've reported it.
The speedhack bypass - There has been found a certain unnamed program that is being used to actually find/edit values allowing a certain bypass of the system. It's not ACTUALLY the famous speedhack, it's more of messing with the values of the game and the anti-cheat, which pretty much bugs your game. That is going to be fixed. I can assure you that. When? I can't tell you.
I will quote a good friend of mine about this last re-code to fix things. I am not sure to how correct he actually is but it seems apparent he is pretty correct.
"It's not actually re-coding. They removed the key, but left the main gate open."
I'm sure they will get a handle on it eventually. But it will take time as all things do. I have trust that they will take care of this problem. You are correct as when any big coding changes are done, I'm sure the anti-cheat has to be modified to change with it. Hopefully, it will be sooner than later. -
Kelathe, it's Polleus. The such GM hack you are speaking of, if anyone can remember, is actually an age old cheat that happened (the exact one you speak of) during the days of Game Guard. It is not a glitch, in any case. I've seen it before, I've been against it, I've reported it.
The speedhack bypass - There has been found a certain unnamed program that is being used to actually find/edit values allowing a certain bypass of the system. It's not ACTUALLY the famous speedhack, it's more of messing with the values of the game and the anti-cheat, which pretty much bugs your game. That is going to be fixed. I can assure you that. When? I can't tell you.
I will quote a good friend of mine about this last re-code to fix things. I am not sure to how correct he actually is but it seems apparent he is pretty correct.
"It's not actually re-coding. They removed the key, but left the main gate open."
Haha, quite the surprise to see you again. I remembered your name change. ^..^ Almost thought the community and game drove you away after a while. Either that or you've been lurking silently.
Its rather nice I actually have a supporter who actually knows what I speak of, so I don't look entirely like a fool. Hrm, so they are using real time programs to modify these values? Interesting, that info should be passed along to aid in the coder's. Makes sense why they rubber band at times.
But your friend has quite the good comparisons there, seems quite smart like yourself. Haha, was beginning to be a bit flustered by this whole thing. Especially with the cover ups these admins are trying to mull over. -
Haha, quite the surprise to see you again. I remembered your name change. ^..^ Almost thought the community and game drove you away after a while. Either that or you've been lurking silently.
Its rather nice I actually have a supporter who actually knows what I speak of, so I don't look entirely like a fool. Hrm, so they are using real time programs to modify these values? Interesting, that info should be passed along to aid in the coder's. Makes sense why they rubber band at times.
But your friend has quite the good comparisons there, seems quite smart like yourself. Haha, was beginning to be a bit flustered by this whole thing. Especially with the cover ups these admins are trying to mull over.
Haha, I've been around mostly in the Tournament section. It takes up time being the Admin of another League
Yes, there is a free and accessible program that these people are using and being told how to use, in order to achieve the "speedhacking" results that you see. From what I know, it's already been sent to X-Trap.
As for the other stuff, as I said before, with any large coding changes there are bound to be some doors left open until they are closed (by X-Trap). It's just a matter of finding those open doors (players finding the hackers and reporting those instances), so that the management can be made aware of the situation and then they can pass it on to X-Trap. Unfortunately, we have to find out about them first :cool:
Honestly, I don't think it's any fault on the Moderators. They will tell you when they know what's going on. Most of the time, they are finding out about it around the same time everyone starts complaining about it. It's not their part to know all the details about the situation. It's their job to report the instances, as I said above, to the proper personnel. Once that happens, then they can send that information to X-Trap. Then we're all in the same boat, waiting for X-Trap to do something about it. -
Haha, I've been around mostly in the Tournament section. It takes up time being the Admin of another League Yes, there is a free and accessible program that these people are using and being told how to use, in order to achieve the "speedhacking" results that you see. From what I know, it's already been sent to X-Trap.
As for the other stuff, as I said before, with any large coding changes there are bound to be some doors left open until they are closed (by X-Trap). It's just a matter of finding those open doors (players finding the hackers and reporting those instances), so that the management can be made aware of the situation and then they can pass it on to X-Trap. Unfortunately, we have to find out about them first :cool:
Indeed, but I wish the more serious hacks to be dealt with, before this minor speed hack. At least they are killable. But the weapon/noclip hacks are brutal. i don't know if enough information has been gathered to organize a block for such things yet.
But what has me peeved so far, is that the closest thing to a game moderator is you, in terms of response, clarification and the very much lack of from them, assurance. Instead, they pass it off as something else and something we shouldn't bother with in terms of reports and so on. Blatantly ignoring stated actual points. The proof is in this thread, numerous threads that should be clarified but aren't. Absent of their activity.
I am getting to the point where I'll start taking more serious action if it comes to such. -
Absent of their activity.
I can understand your frustration. But you have to take into account, that these Moderators do not have schedules. At any given point in time, there actually may not be a Moderator on for a certain period. For example, I have 5 out of the 8 Moderators on my Xfire list. Such away messages as "School" or "Work" are present and a couple aren't even online. You have to remember they don't get a lot of compensation to deal with all this.
Also, there might be the fact that they don't actually KNOW enough to make a response on it. They let the community figure it out until they know something concrete. I may come off as defending their "inaction" as you call it, but sometimes they simply don't know any more than you do at this point. It may be too early to make a statement and even then, [GM]Saidin probably has told them that he will make those statements when information becomes available.
It's frustrating to sit here in the dark, I know. But I know Saidin will address the issue when he actually has the concrete information. Keep in mind, it is just now Monday. He has been away for the weekend and I'm sure the Moderators will be making him aware of the situation or already have. Let's just hope a solution comes soon so that more people get frustrated at things not being addressed. -
What people don't understand is that beside some forum powers and direct communication with GM Saidin, we really don't have anything special aside from a name card.
We don't have a special reporting system, in game powers, or anything fancy. The best I can do is play the game, see a high rank hacking, screenshot, save the replay, and send it directly to Saidin. The process is just as time consuming and tedious as what the rest of you have to do.
We get a little information from Saidin, but he can't tell us everything. Also like Kris said we have school (which I'm at right now) and jobs to hold down. (And sports...well....maybe only me.)
Being a moderator doesn't put food on my plate. I do it because I like the game, I like the mods, and I like some (most) of you guys. -
I can understand your frustration. But you have to take into account, that these Moderators do not have schedules. At any given point in time, there actually may not be a Moderator on for a certain period. For example, I have 5 out of the 8 Moderators on my Xfire list. Such away messages as "School" or "Work" are present and a couple aren't even online. You have to remember they don't get a lot of compensation to deal with all this.
Also, there might be the fact that they don't actually KNOW enough to make a response on it. They let the community figure it out until they know something concrete. I may come off as defending their "inaction" as you call it, but sometimes they simply don't know any more than you do at this point. It may be too early to make a statement and even then, [GM]Saidin probably has told them that he will make those statements when information becomes available.
It's frustrating to sit here in the dark, I know. But I know Saidin will address the issue when he actually has the concrete information. Keep in mind, it is just now Monday. He has been away for the weekend and I'm sure the Moderators will be making him aware of the situation or already have. Let's just hope a solution comes soon so that more people get frustrated at things not being addressed.
Well, I know actual MOD's are not pertained to a schedule and are volunteer. I'm not too keen on them save for them to give a 'know it all' aura, and try and justify each word despite no evidence to back it up. Like the 'glitch' accusation this new hak was labeled as.
However... There's not much excuse for the GM's, especially these new batch that came out of nowhere. Especially since they play in-game and I beleive have powers... Yet, we are the ones that have to inform the community first? (then of course, we get the brunt of the bashing for such.)
As for Saidin, well, heh, I won't go there. He's got about another week or so before I know he's just a face like Z8 themselves, thats all.
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