Increase the winrate

ImEhad

I`ve just spend 55k zp for rebel crates and nothing , same thing happened to my friend yesterday he spent 100k zp for tmp dead eye and nothing,
Z8games if you are going to ban me for this then do it and i`ll refund everything in pp , if not then listen , if you need money kindly ask for them but dont steal from players like that , at least increase the winrate , everyone is complaining and you dont even care , we see that u care only about money thats why you add only reskins .

NanoCooper

That's cute.

https://forum.z8games.com/forum/cros...e-black-market

AtomAntz

Look. You blew that money for a CHANCE to win because you could afford it. It is pure luck if you win anything or not.
We have all made this choice in the past whether to gamble or not on crates.
Just buy a vip and get it over with.
Or buy the Mercenary pass for 30.000 zp, complete the missions and get guaranteed weapons at the end, along with a bunch of FREE crates that you just blew your money on.
It is a no brainer.
You know it makes sense.
Message ends.............................................. ..

CyreNN

NanoCooper wrote: »

That's cute.

https://forum.z8games.com/forum/cros...e-black-market

It's understandable to be frustrated by the BM in CF. I think everyone here can attest that just like gambling in real life, only put in what you are willing to lose.

But the one thing I can't stand for is the dis-missal of other player's experience, good or bad. Just because a person spending / losing more money in this game doesn't give the right to dis-miss other players experience.

A link would suffice without the condescending.
Over and out.

ImEhad

Mate , i didnt won anything since 2019 , btw i bought mercenary crates and i got all the crates and nothing

cocolino870

I am so tired of people defending Z8 by stating that winning in Black Market is pure luck. There is no such thing as luck in a programmed game. In all honesty, anyone can agree that spending 100K ZP and not getting a single thing in the BM is a robbery. I personally opened 500+ ZP crates received from the Mercenary Pass from the last three months and didn't get a thing, which I find more than annoying.

Please keep in mind that the general dissatisfaction regarding the BM win rate spreads widely in the community. Moreover, how comes other CF versions have stupidly high win rates in the BM and those versions are doing very good? CF West is slowly becoming an insult to the honest players that are trying to enjoy the game. No end user support, no technical support, no nothing, only some patches bough from CF China and that's it. Shame.

cocolino870

I am so tired of people defending Z8 by stating that winning in Black Market is pure luck. There is no such thing as luck in a programmed game. In all honesty, anyone can agree that spending 100K ZP and not getting a single thing in the BM is a robbery. I personally opened 500+ ZP crates received from the Mercenary Pass from the last three months and didn't get a thing, which I find more than annoying.

Please keep in mind that the general dissatisfaction regarding the BM win rate spreads widely in the community. Moreover, how comes other CF versions have stupidly high win rates in the BM and those versions are doing very good? CF West is slowly becoming an insult to the honest players that are trying to enjoy the game. No end user support, no technical support, no nothing, only some patches bough from CF China and that's it. Shame.

outlander50

Cocolino i agree with u, i stopped buying crates few years ago, i am only interessted in vips but useful ones like cop vip or ragging bull.. The win rate is garbage thats the proper word.

YRURUNNiN

I also agree with cocolino
I have spent around 3.000€ in my CFNA acc and around 500€ in my CFEU account (before the merge).
While I have a great storage in my CFNA acc with countless weapons, my CFEU acc almost matches it because in CFEU it was ridiculously easy to win weapons compared to NA. EU acc has full xmas, halloween, gold, dragon sets (main, pistol, melee), while NA acc has only individual wins from each sets.
If only I knew the merge will happen, I would never spent anything in my NA acc and would have even more weapons in my EU acc (which I use as main acc now).

Painanator

cocolino870 wrote: »

IThere is no such thing as luck in a programmed game..

Even if it's programmed, it's still about luck, as luck is the same as chance. If I remember right (but don't quote me on this), I think the odds in black-market (Without the lucky draw or the achievement bonus) is 1 to 1000, or if it was 1 to 10.000. Which means if 1000 players spin 1 crate at the same time, one player should get a win.




For my own stats in the time since the transfer from EU (I only bought 200 crates total, 50 for the Evo 3 and 150 Christmas crates, which i got nothing for), the rest is from free crates. (A lot of slaughter ticket's though and I don't know the exact number)
12 - ZP weapons
All but the 3 newest GP weapons
3 Spin the Wheel event Weapons
1 Slaughter ticket weapon.

I think I've done pretty well, even if the winning chance is awfully low. Some people have done a lot worse, some even better. = Some people have low/high luck, the only way luck is not a factor in a game, would be if you cheated, so you win every time you want to and loose (to not raise suspicion) exactly when you wanted to. Everyone knows the odds are always in the House's favor, otherwise it would be meaningless for them to offer any kind of gambling. Knowing that, people still gamble, all over the world. If it matters to you, if you lose, then you shouldn't be gambling (still people do).

Saying all that, I too wouldn't mind the odds from CF-EU or at least a little better than we have.

AtomAntz

CyreNN wrote: »

It's understandable to be frustrated by the BM in CF. I think everyone here can attest that just like gambling in real life, only put in what you are willing to lose.

But the one thing I can't stand for is the dis-missal of other player's experience, good or bad. Just because a person spending / losing more money in this game doesn't give the right to dis-miss other players experience.

A link would suffice without the condescending.
Over and out.

That link looks pretty condescending to me.

IknowPutin

hmmmm....
So...

This game is manipulating "rates"
and you "users" gotta shut up?

just because you are the one who decided to spend money?

So, there is nothing wrong with the system?

huh??
interesting...

Many games discontinued because NO ONE plays!

If you guys faking things up,
no one will be left to play this game.

Utmost

I honestly wouldn’t recommend buying crates to anyone. Weapons in crates always have a chance to be released for free, or improved and better looking in another crate.

Having to spend the amount of ZP on crates we’re doing now is just absurd considering this game’s problems.

cocolino870

Painanator wrote: »

Even if it's programmed, it's still about luck, as luck is the same as chance. If I remember right (but don't quote me on this), I think the odds in black-market (Without the lucky draw or the achievement bonus) is 1 to 1000, or if it was 1 to 10.000. Which means if 1000 players spin 1 crate at the same time, one player should get a win.




For my own stats in the time since the transfer from EU (I only bought 200 crates total, 50 for the Evo 3 and 150 Christmas crates, which i got nothing for), the rest is from free crates. (A lot of slaughter ticket's though and I don't know the exact number)
12 - ZP weapons
All but the 3 newest GP weapons
3 Spin the Wheel event Weapons
1 Slaughter ticket weapon.

I think I've done pretty well, even if the winning chance is awfully low. Some people have done a lot worse, some even better. = Some people have low/high luck, the only way luck is not a factor in a game, would be if you cheated, so you win every time you want to and loose (to not raise suspicion) exactly when you wanted to. Everyone knows the odds are always in the House's favor, otherwise it would be meaningless for them to offer any kind of gambling. Knowing that, people still gamble, all over the world. If it matters to you, if you lose, then you shouldn't be gambling (still people do).

Saying all that, I too wouldn't mind the odds from CF-EU or at least a little better than we have.

Mate, when will you understand there is no such thing as luck ? There is a probability, yes, however that probability is drastically decreased by an algorithm which is manipulated by the developer. Really, get your things together and wake up and realize the luck you are talking about is just a very low probability stacked against you. You are welcome.

Painanator

cocolino870 wrote: »

Mate, when will you understand there is no such thing as luck ? There is a probability, yes, however that probability is drastically decreased by an algorithm which is manipulated by the developer. Really, get your things together and wake up and realize the luck you are talking about is just a very low probability stacked against you. You are welcome.

Even if there is programmed probability, there is the unforeseen, which is luck. If it was all probability everything in life would happen exactly as you calculate it to be, which it don't. Probability is really nothing but good guesswork fueled by statistics. If you program a wheel of fortune to randomly give one price in 1000 spins, you can't guess with any kind of accuracy when it is going to give out it's price, even if you know that (which you probably won't unless you programmed it) and know how many spins there are left, until/if it hasn't given out it's price and you are at spin 999 and is about to spin the last spin. Even if there is only 2 spins left and there is a 50% probability that you will win. It doesn't mean that out of 10 times you win 5. Some people do, some people win more, some less, some all, some nothing. You can't really measure luck or chance, because it doesn't work the same all the time, it's the random element which drives scientists and mathematicians bonkers. Even knowing all statistics/probability the smartest person, can only give a good guess.

Set a computer-program to write 1 and 2. Just switching between those numbers, the probability should be 100% that you know which is the next number, but it isn't. There might be an error which causes it to stop all together. An error that makes it restart, so it gives two 1's in a row, a bug which put a 3 in there. You can't know for sure and that is the unknown/in-measurable element which we call luck, which influences everything and nothing at the same time.

Nothing is truly impossible, It just hasn't been done yet.

borrneo

You have to understand that first of all this is an online shooter, just go and play the game. If you wanna try your luck, this is definitely not the right place to do that. I have never tried opening rebel crates in that game, but I am 100% sure that it's impossible to get anything good from it. You are just wasting your money, man, and I sorry for that, this is a real robbery. If you wanna gamble for real, and not just spend your money, go find a good and realiable crypto casino like https://rocketpot.io/. At least you will be 100% sure that you won't get scammed!