(Rant) the Ak47 isn't a skill-based gun.
Title says it all. The AK is objectively the best weapon in CF. Anyone with half a functioning brain can easily just burst you down. It kills in 1 headshot. It's easily available. I'm sick of going into games and only seeing Marshalls with AK47-CFS Auto Headshotting everyone and then going "Bad Lul I'm Pro Player Lolzor" or typing gibberish into the chat. People need to stop saying Tapping takes skill because it's literally just shooting while pulling down on your mouse. I've seen Smiley face players do it. All I'm saying is, ak tappers need to admit tapping isnt a skillful practice.
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obv you dont know what tapping is... bursting/spraying is not tapping. tapping and shooting 1 shot every few secs to hit your target in the head is tapping. also note that the ak47 is no longer a "1 tap to the head at far range" it was changed and nerfed, anyone whos used an ak since 2009 would know its been changed. also when you can tap heads, youll find yourself doing a lot better in matches. so yeah it is skillful and requires practice.
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If the ak 47 is not a skill based gun like the title says then what rifle is skill based for you ? It will be fine to see marshalls use ak47-CFS in games, most players would actually be happy to see some good players around, lately i see a lot of scorpion EVO/TMP/9a91. I think you need to stop this lol.. its embarrassing.
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There are a lot more guns that are far easier to learn how to use, than the AK-47. There are also guns in the game, that feels harder to learn how to use. (Some of the less used rifles and also a couple of MG's).
But as with everything (If we leave Naturals out of the conversation), it's about experience. If you've never ridden a bike, It won't be as easy as people who are riding them are saying. If you have ridden a bike for years and someone complains it's hard, you can't understand why. Some people learn more easily than others. Learning how to tap-shoot some one with an AK-47 might seem easy when you can do it, but also remember there are degrees of this skill. Knowing how to do it at a special range and situation, doesn't mean that you are good at doing it at every range and every situation.
However, If a person have been a good tap-shooter with the AK-47 years and done it several thousand times. The person would either be lying or deluding themselves if they still consider it hard.
I used to be a competition shooter IRL when I was younger, starting with BB's at 10M and ended with 6,5mm at 300M (I have shot from a much farther distance with other calibers, just not in competition)
Reaching max points with the BB, seamed impossible when I begun, but just after a couple of months I manage to do it, but it was not an easy task. Around the time I begun with the 6,5mm, I could do it easily and fast. Now 15 years later, without having tried it during that time. Well give me a couple of days, to get the feel for it again and I can start spitting out targets shot with max points again.
I say this because, as with any skill, when you have learned to do something and can do it good easily, it doesn't mean that there is no skill behind it. it is a matter of experience. Then there are people who stagnate at a skill stage, having learned something, they never move on to try something that will need even more skill to learn. They get stuck at a stage and then feel like it's just as hard for them, as it was the first time they managed it, they are mostly the ones who likes to brag that they can do something and how much skill it takes. Not understanding that they have been passed by a lot of people.JackPain (Sweden) -
K[illa;n6932687]obv you dont know what tapping is... bursting/spraying is not tapping. tapping and shooting 1 shot every few secs to hit your target in the head is tapping. also note that the ak47 is no longer a "1 tap to the head at far range" it was changed and nerfed, anyone whos used an ak since 2009 would know its been changed. also when you can tap heads, youll find yourself doing a lot better in matches. so yeah it is skillful and requires practice.
Nice insinuation, but no. I've been playing CF for years and I know what Tapping is. You can easily hit someone from your spawn to their spawn and 1-tap them through their helmet at full health with an Ak. I've seen Egys do it with lucky sprays, let alone 1taps.
Many of the "Top players" I see tapping are definitely using macros because they can easily burst down large groups of people with a constant stream of headshots.
It's not skillful and it's not fair. "Lolzor just use an ak" isn't a valid argument either. I have 3 VIP aks and multiple regular/knife/scope aks but I don't always feel like using them.
admittedly I'm not a fan of the recoil. -
Painanator wrote: »There are a lot more guns that are far easier to learn how to use, than the AK-47. There are also guns in the game, that feels harder to learn how to use. (Some of the less used rifles and also a couple of MG's).
But as with everything (If we leave Naturals out of the conversation), it's about experience. If you've never ridden a bike, It won't be as easy as people who are riding them are saying. If you have ridden a bike for years and someone complains it's hard, you can't understand why. Some people learn more easily than others. Learning how to tap-shoot some one with an AK-47 might seem easy when you can do it, but also remember there are degrees of this skill. Knowing how to do it at a special range and situation, doesn't mean that you are good at doing it at every range and every situation.
However, If a person have been a good tap-shooter with the AK-47 years and done it several thousand times. The person would either be lying or deluding themselves if they still consider it hard.
I used to be a competition shooter IRL when I was younger, starting with BB's at 10M and ended with 6,5mm at 300M (I have shot from a much farther distance with other calibers, just not in competition)
Reaching max points with the BB, seamed impossible when I begun, but just after a couple of months I manage to do it, but it was not an easy task. Around the time I begun with the 6,5mm, I could do it easily and fast. Now 15 years later, without having tried it during that time. Well give me a couple of days, to get the feel for it again and I can start spitting out targets shot with max points again.
I say this because, as with any skill, when you have learned to do something and can do it good easily, it doesn't mean that there is no skill behind it. it is a matter of experience. Then there are people who stagnate at a skill stage, having learned something, they never move on to try something that will need even more skill to learn. They get stuck at a stage and then feel like it's just as hard for them, as it was the first time they managed it, they are mostly the ones who likes to brag that they can do something and how much skill it takes. Not understanding that they have been passed by a lot of people.
Hello painanator! I see you on my threads a lot. Thank you for the fair and impartial response, yours has the most reason and is definitely better explained than the others. Also good to see another person who enjoys recreational/Competition shooting IRL.
What I'm trying to say is that the AK47 is probably the best gun in the game. You can pick it up and perform well with it from the get-go. The stats are insane, and it's aggravating when I que into FFA and get tapped from across the map on New Greece by some 200 ping Marshall who just spawned in and just taps his AK CFS repeatedly to get kills. -
I agree on this
Sure there might be way more broken guns in the game but AK-47 is by far EASIEST gun to learn and get good with.
Armor or "AC" is what kinda dragged down the game and made people have to use the AK-47 just for its 1-tap ability.
If we had no armor in-game I'm fairly certain that we would still see M4A1's, QBZ95, Steyr Aug, K-2 and other non "1-tap" weapons around today. -
Give us some examples of "skill-based" guns that are harder to use than the ak47.
The M4a1 takes more skill to use than the AK because you can't rely on the damage to just carry you through a firefight every single time.
Honestly I'd rather fight EVOS and TMPs than AK tryhards that can snipe better with an AK than an AWM.
Speaking of which, isn't it crazy how the AK is capable of outperforming Sniper rifles at long range? I've gotten headshotted by AKs at sniper ranges plenty of times, where the user outgunned my SNIPER RIFLE.
It can also Outdamage Shotguns at close range, unless of course you're spraying them down with a VEPR-12 or Striker. But when I use my SPAS 12 Rebel Slug, if I don't get that slug on them before they notice me they can easily headshot me faster than my shotty can kill them.
You're not going to change my mind on this. I've watched smiley face egys that have barely played at all top teams before because they just sprayed an AK and stacked headshots. It's the least skill-based gun in the game. -
I agree on this
Sure there might be way more broken guns in the game but AK-47 is by far EASIEST gun to learn and get good with.
Armor or "AC" is what kinda dragged down the game and made people have to use the AK-47 just for its 1-tap ability.
If we had no armor in-game I'm fairly certain that we would still see M4A1's, QBZ95, Steyr Aug, K-2 and other non "1-tap" weapons around today.
Armor is 0 excuse and easily available through events.
I can top lobbies with an M4a1 non-VIP and there are many viable GP and BM guns that aren't ak Types. People use the AK because it suits a spray N' Pray playstyle, a Bursting playstyle, or a 1 tapping playstyle because all these guys have to do is get one hit of their 30-40-50 shots from VIPs on your head in order to kill you through full AC. They can't even cry about ammo anymore because of VIPs. -
JustNatsuki wrote: »AK47 is actually broken, recoil is way too low, and the accuracy is bs.
Visible recoil tricks players into thinking the gun takes "skill" to use. It just takes time to realize the visible recoil means literally nothing at all. Just line up a shot and tap. The only thing that takes practice on an AK is figuring out where to place your cursor, and the same could be said of any gun in CF. -
It's easy to play and tap with the AK 47 if you're used to it. So that means it requires skill. The goal is to score as many headshots as possible without wasting much ammo. Killing from a longer distance is more demanding than killing from a closer distance. Some players just don't want to play with an AK 47 because they can't get away with it, so they choose the easy way out and pick broken weapons to make fast body shot kills in the most random ways.
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Lord_Of_Pain wrote: »
Nice insinuation, but no. I've been playing CF for years and I know what Tapping is. You can easily hit someone from your spawn to their spawn and 1-tap them through their helmet at full health with an Ak. I've seen Egys do it with lucky sprays, let alone 1taps.
Many of the "Top players" I see tapping are definitely using macros because they can easily burst down large groups of people with a constant stream of headshots.
It's not skillful and it's not fair. "Lolzor just use an ak" isn't a valid argument either. I have 3 VIP aks and multiple regular/knife/scope aks but I don't always feel like using them.
admittedly I'm not a fan of the recoil.
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https://youtu.be/QSuX9ArtruM?t=27[/video] dont know what kinda ak you're using but last i checked i do 97-99 across map to head armor. can even see it at 0:25 of the video. -
Lmao, I don't know whos trying here, 'trying my hardest to play' LOL. You can't aim now you crying? Looks like someones not doing well with all these aks now comes qqing again
Oh no, you found a post I made months ago about Not knowing how to AK tap! Very good, detective!
The issue is that's an Old post. Opinions change and so do skill levels. I understand it's hard to comprehend that the only thing difficult about tapping is to find where to hold your crosshair, but it's the truth.
Also, my K/D is almost 2 and I've got more wins than losses, you silly boy. So I'm not "QQing" try again.
If you're just going to be petty because I hurt your feelings than don't bother responding. -
K[illa;n6932764]
[video=youtube_share;QSuX9ArtruM]https://youtu.be/QSuX9ArtruM?t=27[/video] dont know what kinda ak you're using but last i checked i do 97-99 across map to head armor. can even see it at 0:25 of the video.
Bang, 97-99, Bang, Headshot or bodyshot. Dead.
The OSK distance is high enough to kill you from one side of the alley at the back of New Greece to the other in 1 headshot.
You're forgetting that not everyone uses armor, too. the AK can bring you down to virtually no health through full armor. You said it just now. -
Lord_Of_Pain wrote: »
Oh no, you found a post I made months ago about Not knowing how to AK tap! Very good, detective!
The issue is that's an Old post. Opinions change and so do skill levels. I understand it's hard to comprehend that the only thing difficult about tapping is to find where to hold your crosshair, but it's the truth.
Also, my K/D is almost 2 and I've got more wins than losses, you silly boy. So I'm not "QQing" try again.
If you're just going to be petty because I hurt your feelings than don't bother responding.
lmao, your kds almost 2? my kds almost 4
u gonna cry that i farm now? kd means as much as your rank lol, come 1v1 ill m16 you ez on smiley face
ya, nothing hurts my feelings more than seeing clowns getting farmed in pubs LOL just go play your usual mutation and zm mode -
lmao, your kds almost 2? my kds almost 4 u gonna cry that i farm now? kd means as much as your rank lol, come 1v1 ill m16 you ez on smiley face
ya, nothing hurts my feelings more than seeing clowns getting farmed in pubs LOL just go play your usual mutation and zm mode
Never heard of someone so proud that they farm.
How about you just shove off? not like anyone cares about your opinion anyways.
I also find it hilarious that you were so triggered by me telling you my K/D is almost 2 that you ADMITTED to using Illegitimate tactics to get yours to 4.
AND you completely backed off the AK47 argument because you realized how stupid you looked.
I bet you're one of the players that sees someone with VIPs and Spams them with messages. "Hey Bro Farm for ZP? Trade Accts?" -
Lord_Of_Pain wrote: »
Never heard of someone so proud that they farm.
How about you just shove off? not like anyone cares about your opinion anyways.
ya, clearly i farm on noobs like you for days, look at the replies on this thread,
aint no body arguing with a 13-15 yo clown -
Lord_Of_Pain wrote: »Title says it all. The AK is objectively the best weapon in CF. Anyone with half a functioning brain can easily just burst you down. It kills in 1 headshot. It's easily available. I'm sick of going into games and only seeing Marshalls with AK47-CFS Auto Headshotting everyone and then going "Bad Lul I'm Pro Player Lolzor" or typing gibberish into the chat. People need to stop saying Tapping takes skill because it's literally just shooting while pulling down on your mouse. I've seen Smiley face players do it. All I'm saying is, ak tappers need to admit tapping isn't a skillful practice.
what is considered skillful and unskillful needs to be addressed first. I'm sure everyone can agree that aiming (flick and tracking) and reaction time/reflex is skillful? pre-aim still needs reflex and a maybe small adjustment to flick base on the other player. Yes, 1 hs up to mid-long range is very strong but the fire rate slower. 91a1 cant 1 hs through armor but is considered an op/unskillful weapon because of its accuracy. Scorpion is op because of its stun and high accuracy along with a fast fire rate. It's all about the consistency of a person's aim. You won't get hs every time. If a person's aim is that good, it doesn't matter what weapon they use. Usually, the first 2 shots are 100% accurate. M12s in the past was very op as well and it was without stun. There is a reason why not all guns are allowed in the big tournaments. The accuracy + fire rate + recoil together makes them too strong. Mobility is also a factor. Which is why slug shotguns are broken too.
Axe in knife mode is much worse than AK in guns in terms of 1 hs. Since there is less reflex needed because of the close range and how fast the slash is, its completely unskillful. All you really need to do is wait/bait enemy until they miss and within range.
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