Reasons why there is no longer any point to playing crossfire.

1323i

This has been my favorite game I played 10+ hours a day since 2010, with a couple breaks somewhere in there. Soooo I guess I'll just say, please don't take this thread down, as this is an honest players opinion.

Also, 90% of players who don't fall into the categories I'm describing agree with what I'm saying, and the ones who do fall into it just laugh, call you a noob, say you suck, and tell you to kill yourself. So don't just take this as "another thread", as HUNDREDS OF THESE THREADS *** EXIST *** for a reason, and probably THOUSANDS.

You are ruining the game by making it P2W, and not punishing the terrible players of this game. Not to mention, a lot of these players fill multiple (or all) of these categories.

Category one: the blocker
This is the guy who sits there trading spots with his friend for 17 rounds on Merida, the most popular hero mode map. And you guys do nothing, while it completely breaks the game. Blocking should be a 7 day ban, no questions asked. We literally cannot win, because its impossible to get to them. It's worse than cheating where most of the time you atleast have a chance to catch them.

Does Z8 care? Nope. Cash cows arent complaining, and are often the ones doing this. Having a friend block while spraying a gatling gun VIP = impossible to die.


Category two: the lagger
This is the guy who refuses to play in the proper server, so he has 165+ ping, often 200-250, and uses this to his advantage. He likes to wait until he spikes really bad and then teleport into your spot and kill you. This one is possible to prevent if you can react fast enough, but 99% of the time it comes down to luck. Same as above.

Does Z8 care? No. Cash cows arent complaining. Profits are staying high. Why spend a couple hundred dollars to pay a programmer to fix this in JUST A FEW HOURS by adding some sort of IP or ping-based restriction.

Category three: the cheater
This is the guy who sits there under the map using aimbot, no recoil, no bug damage, no fall damage, walk through walls, fly, hitbox increaser, you name it.
Sometimes its subtle, and possible to win - othertimes you spawn and instantly die.
We had a decent anticheat, XTrap, which improved greatly over the years it server crossfire. Once it was removed, the cheats instantly came back, and now XIGNCODE will take years to improve.
Thanks guys.
As a programmer myself, I can literally tell you it takes no more than a few hours to whip up an aimbot+esp project, as I was one of the noobs who received bans for this on my old account back before they became instantly permanent. Get a real anticheat again, or atleast admit that you dont care and stop pretending.

Once again, Z8 doesn't care as long as the cash cows keep paying. These guys just kick anyone who doesn't have a VIP, who Z8 also doesn't care about. Who risks blatantly cheating with a VIP, right? And most VIP users have macros or something to fight other lowkey-cheaters anyways.

Category four: the pay2win guy
This is the person sitting there on FFA pistol spraying a cop with like 15 bullets per clip with his 6 desert eagle VIPs in his other bags. Or the guy on S&D eagleye sitting there spawncamping so the second you spawn and walk up the steps, you die, from a barrett shot through a wall. You're 99% sure its walls, or a triggerbot, but hey, Z8 doesn't care about us who only spend $20 or $30 every month. Even though we're still loyal to the dying game. Or the guy running around with seemingly infinite ammo in his steyr temp using 6 thompsons in his other bags, on merida, and its impossible to beat him because its so light and reloads so quick. It has a lot of power and sprays fast, with low recoil/spread too. Or the guy sitting there in the cage with his buddy, just spraying a gatling with seemingly infinite ammo, who you cant kill because he ALSO reloads in like 2 seconds while his friend shoots but half a clip of his AK47 or something, which has 200+ bullets due to mutation mag and extra rifle mag.

Once again Z8 doesn't care about the people who arent rich with thousands of dollars to spend on a single game, and refuses to nerf these weapons. It literally becomes impossible to play to the point where I literally have 100+ discord server members who admit to instantly leaving any game if they see a temp, cop, gatling, or barrett. This is almost every game, btw, so we're forced to barely ever play at this point. These players also get away with farming bots/cows, using macros and admitting it to quickscope/control recoil/bunnyhop/lock onto head level (Y axis camera rotation), and using external color-based triggerbots that once again the very bad anticheat cant detect. It's all about the cash cows, right? Who cares that people sit here literally getting 100+ kills in TDM, with 99% of those being headshots made before you can even fire a single shot. I know I dont suck that bad after years of playing.

Category five: the glitcher
This is the guy sitting there in the cage on merida, or on top of a stack of boxes on ship TD, or on top of the little ledges on excavation, or inside a wall on mansion HMX, or yadayadayada.
Once again insanely hard to kill unless you know the glitch (hint: its hard to know glitches if you dont glitch), or if you used to be a glitcher noob in 2013 like me, you try to do it but he keeps shooting you rendering it impossible. A single bullet every 3 seconds or so will do the trick in most cases. Even if he doesnt have extra mag/mutation mag, he wont run out of ammo.

Once again Z8 doesn't care about us at all. They like the glitchers because they dont hurt the revenue stream from the 1% of players who spend thousands of dollars to kill guys like him.

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In conclusion you ruined a good game and you will kill it eventually if you dont stop with these shortsighted decisions immediately, and it will already never go back to the population it had. Its playerbase is clinging on via countries who dont have an official CF version so they use a VPN to play, and the people spending thousands of dollars, littered with 1% of players like me who stick around hoping for change. But thats dwindling, its more like 0.7% now.

Punish glitchers, blockers, etc.
Enforce the anticheat system better, and re-add votekick.
Nerf the weapons described above somehow.
Force people to play in the best/proper server.

It's not hard, and it will fix the game. You'd see a better playerbase with profits remaining about as good. Why not? Are you seriously just that lazy? Do you ONLY care about your cash cows?
Give us a real answer for once, not just "you're wrong" *deletes thread or bans player*. If you're going to ruin the game, be a man and tell us the reasons why.
We're angry, and we have a reason to be. We want to be heard. If it's not too harsh a word, I consider it pathetic.

If you managed to take something I played 10-15 hours a day of as a child and turn it into something I abhor, for the sake of money, as many other people feel - yea, actually, that's not too harsh of a word.

I've literally spent well over the VIP amount and never bought one. Thats for a reason, hint: I'm not somebody who needs to pay for good aim. I got skill. And I dont respect anyone who needs to do that.
Most VIPs are fine. Things like gatling, barrett, even just non-vip cop/steyr? SMH. All I got to say.
Especially if you have the skill to win without them already.

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Once again please don't ban me or delete my post just for this opinion (or rather, fact). I've spent a lot of money on this game. Sooo, I count as a cash cow, too, right?

heino14343

CrossFire has always been like this haha

Ixith

Unlike a lot of other complaint/rant threads you seem to remain respectful and don't call anyone in specific out or curse so this thread should be safe unless/until those people join in and take what could be a meaningful conversation and reduce it to insults and curses.

Now for your various points:

-Blockers: Have you ever tried reporting a blocker before? I believe blocking in Mutation (regardless of which mutation version) can be considered griefing and is thus reportable. They might only get a temporary ban from it but I believe it is in fact reportable. Probably won't stop it from happening since so many people feel the need to do it unfortunately but maybe if enough people know it can be reported or just report it in general it'll have some kind of effect.

-Laggers: Unfortunately it's not just people playing in the incorrect server. Since CF West is more or less the 'international' version where anyone who doesnt have an official CF Client version for their area can then join West the lagging issue simply can't be fixed by people 'joining the correct server' however, there's no reason they can't implement say an item that allows the host of a room to establish a range in ping that is acceptable for that particular room. I believe on of the other versions has something like that already even. However, as an NA player I can pretty much safely say that if such an item was implemented and the lagging part of the player base used it to seal off their rooms from low pingers....i'd rarely find a room to play in myself. So it could back fire. But IMO it's certainly worth a try.

-Cheater: In regards to Xtrap. it was removed as our anti-cheat for a reason. In the last 2 years we had it, it was pathetically bad....kinda like Xign is since after like the 3rd month we got it. I'm surprised you dont remember just had bad Xtrap was if you were playing 10 hours a day since 2010 but certainly in the last year at least it never once had an update where we had a reduction in the number of hackers after a patch. And the hacks people were using at the time were MUCH more obvious than the ones they use now. People were still killing everyone at the start of matches before you could even move back then. Now i'm not saying Xign is even remotely good. because it's not....but don't put Xtrap on a high place either. So yea....let's try out other Anti-cheats and hopefully find one that works...though personally i doubt any anti-cheat that can be used with CF will be super effective or have that effect last for very long.
As for the part about 'who would risk getting banned with VIPs' LOLOLOL sadly lots of people and it's not just them using macro's either. Have ran into a fair few who flat out use hacks.
And for the kicking issue....about the only time i see people get kicked is when it's a high pinger nab trying to kick literally anyone they can for no real reason at all and then it usually starts a kick war. It doesnt matter if the player is doing well or bad, has a VIP or not, these people start kicks seemingly just for the lulz. But yet...they don't seem to kick the hackers/cheaters when there is one in the room.

-Pay2Win: Yea certainly the game quickly got out of control with this. The biggest issue i have and you show it in your rant is the fact that VIP Ammo bonuses stack. IMO it should have been capped at 1 or 2 ammo bonuses per weapon type max, it should have never allowed it to stack 6 ammo bonuses so that TMPs have 77 shots and GG has it's insane amount of ammo and so on. The sad part is people want more bags....which i'd be down for....BUT...we have the VIP ammo bonuses and I don't want to see MORE ammo bonuses getting stacked.
VIPs don't generally bother me too much. Most people who use them aren't that good, though it is annoying you get the VIP char + Barret kick spam or someone really try harding and using macros like you said. But when it's in the hands of a legit player just playing casually. I dont mind it.
As for that 'spawn camping' thing you talked about in Eagle Eye. That can be done with a regular AWM even and i've seen it done with non-VIP snipers. It's just a matter of knowing the spot you need to be in to snipe into the door way that BL will come through and getting there fast.

-Glitchers: Again reportable on two fronts. 1)People who glitch can get banned for doing so. Don't think the first offense is permanent but eventually it is. 2)Report the spot they are glitching in especially if you have the video of it happening. It WILL eventually get patched and made at least harder or will have a damage zone included in it that will kill them if they try it. When these spots get reported it they have gotten fixed in the past. The biggest problem with 'glitchers' though is that not all people in spots behind walls are just glitchers as there is a no clipping hack that allows hackers to pass through walls of course.

A final note i'm going to say: It's not that Z8 doesnt care about a lot of these things but rather since they are just the managing company there's only so much they can do meanwhile the Devs themselves are saddled themselves with 9 different versions of Crossfire they have to work on and look into when stuff happens that's more on the Devs side rather than managing company side.
Now Z8 could work faster on some things and perhaps also when an issue does occur that they can handle (say with an event or something else in their realm) that they could be more forth coming about it to the player base and announce that there is currently and issue and it's being looked into and then state when the issue has been fixed and give a statement about what it effected, who it effected, and if it was something that was abuse-able to state any kind of consequences people who might have abused it will be facing that way the player base is in the know over things and it also would re-iterate that players can and will be punished for bug abuse.

Also, 'cash cows' do in fact complain about a good bit of these things. Lag issues, Glitchers, hackers, blockers for those that play that mode. Perhaps complain a little bit less about the Pay2Win side with the issues that occur there...but they do complain about a lot of what you've ranted on.

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I'm going to hit this part up too: the recap

Punish glitchers, blockers, etc. This is punishable it just needs reported (with replay) so that they can know it happened and who did it. I've seen plenty of people get punished for it already though again first offense might not be permanent but if they keep doing it, it will probably lead to them getting a permanent ban on that account.
Enforce the anticheat system better, and re-add votekick. yes let's try out some other anti-cheats and find one that will actually work at least a good bit better. However on the vote-kick i'm sorry but i'll have to disagree there unless there's some major changes to how it works or rather who's allowed to use it as before it was disabled in non-team based modes the nabs never kicked or even f11ed on hackers but would rather kick any other player for essentially any reason. It was near impossible to play FFA and Mutation when it was allowed regardless. As it stands you can at least play those modes when there's no hacker in it
Nerf the weapons described above somehow. Some weapons certainly do need nerfed and i think the best option to influence it all would be to apply a cap on the VIP ammo boosts and then to reduce the JHP effect on weapons like the TMP as that's their biggest OP factor.
Force people to play in the best/proper server. Again they can't really force this since we're kinda the 'international' version and people who would lag in any server exists. But they could try that item that let's host apply a ping range to their room.

DragonOfWood

Follow up on the report blockers and glitchers, they should make an easier way to report, a way which is more automated and less of an effort for the person reporting, its effort going into a game, have it be ruined by blockers on rooftop who don't let you up and tunnel campers, then we have to report it in a ticket on the website of the game and have the same thing repeat again and again and again. there should be a quick report such as League or Fortnite in the ESC menu where you can: select the player ---> save replay or not ---> subject of report

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> reason for report. This will of course mean more works for the Gms but its their game too and therefore their responsibility for a healthier and better game.

Like i said, i would manually report and go through the effort if the reason for reporting wasn't experienced every game in HMX/HM.

Ixith

DragonOfWood wrote: »

Follow up on the report blockers and glitchers, they should make an easier way to report, a way which is more automated and less of an effort for the person reporting, its effort going into a game, have it be ruined by blockers on rooftop who don't let you up and tunnel campers, then we have to report it in a ticket on the website of the game and have the same thing repeat again and again and again. there should be a quick report such as League or Fortnite in the ESC menu where you can: select the player ---> save replay or not ---> subject of report

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> reason for report. This will of course mean more works for the Gms but its their game too and therefore their responsibility for a healthier and better game.

Like i said, i would manually report and go through the effort if the reason for reporting wasn't experienced every game in HMX/HM.

I agree an in-game report option would be amazing. However, a couple obstacles to that would be:
A)It would require the Devs to code it into the game and send the reports to Z8 CF West team which functionally creates 1 more place where an error could occur as well and would also require the Save replay option to stay on (why it's even an option to turn it off at this point is silly) then they'd need it to auto-send the replay with the report and would have to work regardless of if you get kicked/disconnected or end the match normally.
B)It requires people using it responsibly. By that I mean if it gets abused with fake/bad reports like the kick vote does in-game then it'll just pile up reports that the support team HAS to look into this would clutter away the actual reports causing even slower delay on actions taken. So the system would need to have something that either A) only opens up to players that have been approved to report or B)has a rating system that starts all players off on even footing but the more false/bad reports you give the less priority your reports get and the more good accurate reports you give the higher priority your reports get.

taptapHS

I agree with all you've said 1323i. I started playing this game like 10-11 years ago, and i kinda love this game. But i hate what the z8 guys are doing with the game right now. I think they should come out with a statement about the further game development, and explain what their plans are with it. Because i feel they're avoiding the real issues here, and are just patching the whole thing with the NEW COOL VIPS that bring the profits. What they DON'T see is they would attract way more players and get more money(buying vips) by fixing many obvious issues this game has. OR maybe they are just LAZY and don't care.

RekT2

i feel your pain at times

1323i

Ixith wrote: »

Unlike a lot of other complaint/rant threads you seem to remain respectful and don't call anyone in specific out or curse so this thread should be safe unless/until those people join in and take what could be a meaningful conversation and reduce it to insults and curses.

Now for your various points:

-Blockers: Have you ever tried reporting a blocker before? I believe blocking in Mutation (regardless of which mutation version) can be considered griefing and is thus reportable. They might only get a temporary ban from it but I believe it is in fact reportable. Probably won't stop it from happening since so many people feel the need to do it unfortunately but maybe if enough people know it can be reported or just report it in general it'll have some kind of effect.

-Laggers: Unfortunately it's not just people playing in the incorrect server. Since CF West is more or less the 'international' version where anyone who doesnt have an official CF Client version for their area can then join West the lagging issue simply can't be fixed by people 'joining the correct server' however, there's no reason they can't implement say an item that allows the host of a room to establish a range in ping that is acceptable for that particular room. I believe on of the other versions has something like that already even. However, as an NA player I can pretty much safely say that if such an item was implemented and the lagging part of the player base used it to seal off their rooms from low pingers....i'd rarely find a room to play in myself. So it could back fire. But IMO it's certainly worth a try.

-Cheater: In regards to Xtrap. it was removed as our anti-cheat for a reason. In the last 2 years we had it, it was pathetically bad....kinda like Xign is since after like the 3rd month we got it. I'm surprised you dont remember just had bad Xtrap was if you were playing 10 hours a day since 2010 but certainly in the last year at least it never once had an update where we had a reduction in the number of hackers after a patch. And the hacks people were using at the time were MUCH more obvious than the ones they use now. People were still killing everyone at the start of matches before you could even move back then. Now i'm not saying Xign is even remotely good. because it's not....but don't put Xtrap on a high place either. So yea....let's try out other Anti-cheats and hopefully find one that works...though personally i doubt any anti-cheat that can be used with CF will be super effective or have that effect last for very long.
As for the part about 'who would risk getting banned with VIPs' LOLOLOL sadly lots of people and it's not just them using macro's either. Have ran into a fair few who flat out use hacks.
And for the kicking issue....about the only time i see people get kicked is when it's a high pinger nab trying to kick literally anyone they can for no real reason at all and then it usually starts a kick war. It doesnt matter if the player is doing well or bad, has a VIP or not, these people start kicks seemingly just for the lulz. But yet...they don't seem to kick the hackers/cheaters when there is one in the room.

-Pay2Win: Yea certainly the game quickly got out of control with this. The biggest issue i have and you show it in your rant is the fact that VIP Ammo bonuses stack. IMO it should have been capped at 1 or 2 ammo bonuses per weapon type max, it should have never allowed it to stack 6 ammo bonuses so that TMPs have 77 shots and GG has it's insane amount of ammo and so on. The sad part is people want more bags....which i'd be down for....BUT...we have the VIP ammo bonuses and I don't want to see MORE ammo bonuses getting stacked.
VIPs don't generally bother me too much. Most people who use them aren't that good, though it is annoying you get the VIP char + Barret kick spam or someone really try harding and using macros like you said. But when it's in the hands of a legit player just playing casually. I dont mind it.
As for that 'spawn camping' thing you talked about in Eagle Eye. That can be done with a regular AWM even and i've seen it done with non-VIP snipers. It's just a matter of knowing the spot you need to be in to snipe into the door way that BL will come through and getting there fast.

-Glitchers: Again reportable on two fronts. 1)People who glitch can get banned for doing so. Don't think the first offense is permanent but eventually it is. 2)Report the spot they are glitching in especially if you have the video of it happening. It WILL eventually get patched and made at least harder or will have a damage zone included in it that will kill them if they try it. When these spots get reported it they have gotten fixed in the past. The biggest problem with 'glitchers' though is that not all people in spots behind walls are just glitchers as there is a no clipping hack that allows hackers to pass through walls of course.

A final note i'm going to say: It's not that Z8 doesnt care about a lot of these things but rather since they are just the managing company there's only so much they can do meanwhile the Devs themselves are saddled themselves with 9 different versions of Crossfire they have to work on and look into when stuff happens that's more on the Devs side rather than managing company side.
Now Z8 could work faster on some things and perhaps also when an issue does occur that they can handle (say with an event or something else in their realm) that they could be more forth coming about it to the player base and announce that there is currently and issue and it's being looked into and then state when the issue has been fixed and give a statement about what it effected, who it effected, and if it was something that was abuse-able to state any kind of consequences people who might have abused it will be facing that way the player base is in the know over things and it also would re-iterate that players can and will be punished for bug abuse.

Also, 'cash cows' do in fact complain about a good bit of these things. Lag issues, Glitchers, hackers, blockers for those that play that mode. Perhaps complain a little bit less about the Pay2Win side with the issues that occur there...but they do complain about a lot of what you've ranted on.

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I'm going to hit this part up too: the recap

Glitchers/blockers: it's not even possible to report this, let's be real. I'd be forced to save replays and lose what precious FPS I have (I only play at 45 fps), and even if I was willing to sacrifice (which I might be), they don't do anything (I used to report this and see the player again the next day or a week later, laughing how my report did nothing), and I'd be forced to go report someone after every game.

Cheaters: I will have to disagree here. Maybe my perspective is a bit different because back before bans were permanent, I admit to getting banned once or twice on my other account for cheating, and because I'm an experienced programmer, BUT:
-XTrap was certainly a terrible anticheat back when it was first implemented.
-Towards the ends of its life, XTrap certainly killed off public cheats for the most part. I can think of one or two that ACTUALLY worked undetected on CFNA during that time, and they were rarely updated with more than just a simple wall or no recoil.
-Once XIGNCODE was implemented, these cheats have come back majorly. You can see this by viewing the popular cheat forums and looking how dead they were back in the day, compared to now, where cheats are posted every day again.
-XIGNCODE has so far improved not one single percent.

If I had permissions from the game admins to do this without being banned (which sadly I don't), I'd go whip up a quick aimbot/esp just to show how easy it is. It literally takes around an hour to reverse the game for the data structures and offsets needed, construct some basic logic, and fake a mouse movement using input simulation libraries. ESP is even easier, you just detour a function and draw some lines on the screen using the DX9 api. And the sad part is that all of the cheaters know this, THOUSANDS of tutorials exist online, that people literally can copy+paste into a project, compile, and be done with.

Laggers:
I somewhat agree, however:
-We never fill all of the NA/EU servers.
We could easily just have 2-3 for each major region in the world w/o its own CF version, and still have roughly the amount of servers we have now, with everyone having a place to go with no lag.
Then, they could determine which server had room and gave you the best ping, and automatically connect you to it.
We could also have a few additional servers that you could choose from with no requirement - located in NA/EU, and perhaps somewhere else - so that even if you get a higher ping, say averaging 150-200 like the average lagger, you could still play with your friends from other servers.

P2W:
It's quite simple to nerf these weapons by making the gatling gun VIP reload slower, temp reload slower, cop fire slower, barrett/kick not work, etc.
However, the ammo would really only help in mutation modes, so while they could nerf ammo in MM, and leave the ammo for ZM, they need some sort of other nerf for PvP modes.


All of these changes from my (programmer) perspective are pretty easy to make.
However, Z8Games is lazy.

Honestly, I feel bad for roasting them so hard, but it's just the truth.
They refuse to even reply because they know what I'm saying is true and they have no reasonable reply, because it's been so long and they aren't working to fix it.
They just want money.

Also, they banned my forum account after this post for a day or two. This is the first time I haven't got the "Request Rejected" screen since.

1323i

To say something further, XIGNCODE doesn't even attempt to detect many of the things XTrap did:
-CreateThread api's, KeyState api's
-Foreign strings
-Foreign DLL's
-The signature scanning is by far less advanced
-etc

And these are some things that if they had kept, would literally detect every public pasted cheat in existance, and some private ones.

krustev

I am very angry and I !!!!!!!
You can not have gentlemen and ladies so restrictive measures for the first violation of getting a constant ban on a player do not you think it will start all over again as much as I miss the game?
I do not know where and how you judge this about punishments, but I think it's pretty brutal.
I thought it was not forbidden for the second month.

Daniel_25

Your eagle eye example in #4 pay2win is wrong. It's quite easy to hit that shot with a sniper right at the start of the round when opponents are coming up the stairs. I do it all the time and so do others I've played with.

Loorenzds

Well game is hard.

1323i

Daniel_25 wrote: »

Your eagle eye example in #4 pay2win is wrong. It's quite easy to hit that shot with a sniper right at the start of the round when opponents are coming up the stairs. I do it all the time and so do others I've played with.

Clearly you've never encountered people using macros to lock onto the exact Y pixel needed, only using horizontal movement, then using a triggerbot macro to fire automatically. That combined with a barrett + vip kick, it's impossible to get up there even zigzagging and crouching. Don't talk about something you dont understand.
People using awms and whatnot is perfectly fine.

Also, another example of why this game is trash: got banned for 2 days today for telling someone off for camping with a sniper in the tunnel on Ship TD.

LOLOLOLZX

1323i wrote: »

To say something further, XIGNCODE doesn't even attempt to detect many of the things XTrap did:
-CreateThread api's, KeyState api's
-Foreign strings
-Foreign DLL's
-The signature scanning is by far less advanced
-etc

And these are some things that if they had kept, would literally detect every public pasted cheat in existance, and some private ones.

z8games is a publisher company , you are simply talking to people who doesn't understand a lot about it , they simply take what is suggested by players to the developer company ( smilegate ) and they apply the changes , in the other hand xigncode3 is provided by Wellbia , if you check their "Accurate Operating system" features listed in XC3 , u'll notice they has DLL injection detection , however still it's possible to inject DLL to the game
the only option they have is they copy the game main modules ( cshell + crossfire.exe ) and do crc routines to check if there's any modifications in memory , it's no easy to guess the crc's locations but still it's the most annoying thing ever hackers will face , if i'd recommend an AC to crossfire , i'd choose CodeMon6 as it's better than XC3

nopanol

I was playing CF since 2010 too, from Europe (so mainly on UK servers). I've loved this game as hell, still in a way. I've only invested in one AK Fury and a couple of crates, to support the game but also because i love this AK Camo skin. The animations, the events, the goodies ... i've no complain at all to make but the reverse. Always something new to explore, new achievements, challenges, diversity of gameplay (ZM, ghost, SD....) etc ... on this side the team is working great and it's how i lasted so long in this game after the big change of paradigm in term of player's base.

But when a massive amount of players pass their time on the game to simply destroy the gameplay in anyway possible, even by the most imaginative way, you finish to give up. Because you just want to escape in the game to have a break; and play it to increase your experience and your skills. Not being the usefull idiot forced to be the "trash gamers sponge", and not to recreate a stress than you want to escape from.

And this problematic is very old. We have many ways to express it with our different profiles, but we all agree hardly on something than have only a binary solution from our interlocutors since the game is born : ignore or deny on every single technical aspect than can PROTECT the game.

I don't mind if trash gamers want to have trash games, each ones his way to have pleasure. If destroying the game experience of each others is their real pleasure, WHY NOT ! But you have to give the choice to people than are respecting the initial gameplay with tools than permit to have clean and skilled games. At least.

Useless to speak about cheaters, i'm just realizing now than i've invested in another game (than i will not name) than the problematic of CF is massive and systemic. My tolerance was insanely way too high. You count on the passion of the core of your players to reach levels of tolerance never seen. And it's only when you stop to play CF and invest at the same level in another game than you realize it, because this dramatic situation is systematically deny, ignored if not mocked. Instead being the very first prior concern.

Same issues with ping filters, years than every one ask for it to have cleaner games. You give the integral freedom to trash players to do whatever they want in any game, fine , i can respect that, but give a counterpart to the player's base than are RESPECTING your work. Or it don't have any sense. It's like building a beautiful crop in a fertile land, then at the moment to harvest the efforts, giving jerrican of gas and lighters to the most stupid people you can meet. Letting them burning everything in the front of your loyal workers. What's the message ? Go away and let them burn everything you have loved so much.

This mission is accomplished for me, with big regrets. You have made the choice to accept all kind of players possible, one more time i can respect that, specially for a free to play game, but accept also than this big player's base will have subgroups than will never mix. If you force them to mix, you will harvest only fire, stress and anger. I wish than the game will become smarter on the technical side and permit to people to choose with what kind of players they will enjoy the game. Just like the real life. When you want to have a good moment, you play with people with the same drives. It's as stupid than that and you deny this very basic principle than exist since games exist.

Best wishes for the continuation, and all my respect for real players than are staying onboard.

Daniel_25

1323i wrote: »

Clearly you've never encountered people using macros to lock onto the exact Y pixel needed, only using horizontal movement, then using a triggerbot macro to fire automatically. That combined with a barrett + vip kick, it's impossible to get up there even zigzagging and crouching. Don't talk about something you dont understand.
People using awms and whatnot is perfectly fine.

Also, another example of why this game is trash: got banned for 2 days today for telling someone off for camping with a sniper in the tunnel on Ship TD.

You're just bad and don't understand how easy it is. Salty scrub. Put your head down and crouch at the few tiles needed. You are the one who doesn't understand. Probably can't even frag in pubs.

Waiwio

Playing this game for nearly 10 years, and I have to say that most stuff still motivates me to play:

• Most of the players might be bad for us because of being non english speakers, or even your own language, but finding someone that speaks your language or someone that has the same taste as you is always so relaxing and satisfying. Especially from my country, I love finding someone from my country because we always exchange stuff from each other and maybe find ourselves in our own country.
• Even if the most of weapons are very very annoying, overpowered, overkill, or whatever, we love to own the weapons and use them in Crossfire. There's is something that makes us satisfied to use and shoot the weapons and I don't even know why it satisfies me alot. Maybe because I played this game for a long time and I got used to it alot. If I tried to play other FPS game, but it has almost nothing to do with CF, it doesn't make me want to play it.
• Yes laggers are a issue because of the player's connection and server issues, but things are always never in a sea of roses. Issues will happen from time to time and it can be really really exhausting to see the same issues happening, but our love for the game (despite talking about it) is too much for me (at least) to not leave this game
• Some events might be pay2win and Black Market might be too punishing for who spends alot of money still, but there are still dozens of events that we don't even spend a single penny and we get properly rewarded. Just see the Weekend EP events with crates and EP sales. It's happening every month and we get so much crates.
• Cheaters have been fading thankfully. From time to time some will appear and we'll have to report them so they get the ban hammer.
• I actually haven't seen glitchers since last year yet.

marcelerykpl

I can only complain about blockers and afk bots on hero mode.
on WEST is harder to won guns from black market, EU was softer but no players base anyway.

TamTamTamy

Daniel_25 wrote: »

You're just bad and don't understand how easy it is. Salty scrub. Put your head down and crouch at the few tiles needed. You are the one who doesn't understand. Probably can't even frag in pubs.

The typical "you're just bad" reply when someone isn't capable of coming up with an intelligent response. That reply must've taken a lot of brain cells.

[MOD]4Real

Can y'all quit with the personal targetting or I'll start deleting stuff :c

ghabriahmed

The reason why i kept playing this game because of the memorys i had in my childhood, the fun the friends

winnnetou

I will play until game shuts down, or if game last longer than me ill let my account legacy to my nephews
))

ghabriahmed

I agree with you at some point.

BCMascha

Agreed to all, but what do you think about the server lagg? Jumping behind a wall just in time to avoid the bullets, but guess what: You have been killed while being behind that wall. All started 1 patch before CF 2.0 and never got fixed. Even my ping of 16 was increased to 21~26, and very veeeery often it's 16 for maybe a few hours before being back to 21+. This weekend its even worse.

Pyrex00

I'm just reminiscing at my ping before it was doubled to 80 for no apparent reason :rolleyes:
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StLoD_UA

I'm here just to say they dont care

AtomAntz

10 HOURS PER DAY ? !!!!!!!!!! That's some going. Get some air. Good Luck.