Why did you remove Kick-Vote
come on Z8. I told you it's not gonna work like this. now me and the rest of the players got our match ruined because some cheater decided to join in the middle of the game and cannot get kicked and it's the weekend. I cannot pub anymore, the only fun I have left in this game is scrimming. feelsbadman.
and for those against KVS, I basically got kicked. what now?
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It's the weekend, hackers will crawl back to their holes during weekdays. And how's the KVS gonna help you? If there are 4 hackers in the room, the kick vote's not gonna work anyway with 12-4.
Stick to one thread that already has 4 pages of discussion regarding this matter. Creating multiple threads doesn't make your opinion valid. -
It's the weekend, hackers will crawl back to their holes during weekdays. And how's the KVS gonna help you? If there are 4 hackers in the room, the kick vote's not gonna work anyway with 12-4.
Stick to one thread that already has 4 pages of discussion regarding this matter. Creating multiple threads doesn't make your opinion valid.
first of all, don't tell me to stick to 1 thread. all you are is a forum member, not a mod, second of all, who said there was 4 hackers? third of all, if the kick-vote is not gonna work against a hacker why would it work against a legit player? hello, logic? -
first of all, don't tell me to stick to 1 thread. all you are is a forum member, not a mod, second of all, who said there was 4 hackers? third of all, if the kick-vote is not gonna work against a hacker why would it work against a legit player? hello, logic?
A)He's not wrong though. Don't be surprised if a MOD does in fact come and close this because so many other KVS QQ threads already exist
B)eh yea
C)You assume there's logic in CF. Cute. and i guess there KIND of is but you have to take our player base maturity level and their actual knowledge of the game into account....the fact that hackers GENERALLY have the same ping/names as many of the more nabby players on our servers so more often then not they either don't vote at all on them or f12. But as soon as a lower ping name that looks different to the usual of theirs shows up it's F11 city as soon as a kick vote is started. Also mix in the fact that some people just start kick votes for absolutely no reason other than to start drama and the chances of getting kicked for a legit player is higher than that of a hacker.
I mean seriously in open rooms with GMs nabs will try to kick the GM be it due to them thinking it's funny or because they legit don't like the GMs and people will F11 with it for those same reasons and it'll be like a mini-event room even. lmao.
If you want the KVS to come back to non-team based modes and stay you're going to need to convince the community not to abuse it every chance they get. Good luck with that endeavor cause while it WASNT as bad the last few weeks when it was back compared to as it used to be before they initially took away the KVS from non-team based modes it still wasn't pretty for far too many people. And the fact remains that the KVS shouldn't be what we rely on to ensure hack free games. It's suppose to be a buffer tool.
The best argument that can be made is for a trial run right now is to allow hosts to have an On/Off for KVS option. -
hello, logic?
To me, the fear of being kick-voted is far greater than that of a hacker joining in the game. I don't want to play every other game with the fear of seeing "You've been kicked" box out of nowhere.
Today while playing a sniper-only Chinatown SnD game, I rushed to the A site but found an enemy player right next to gate. So naturally instead of changing to sniper I right-clicked my melee on him. He was a European guy from one of those Russian clans and he started crying "Kick Pooyan. Kick Pooyan. Kick Pooyan." He followed for the rest of the game and would throw derogatory insults whenever he'd find a chance. All this just because I meleed him in a sniper-only SnD game.
Logic?
Edit: The point is that he'd have had me kicked if one of his friends/clanmates was in my team. Same goes for any other game. People want to kick you because you kill them. I mean, isn't that the whole point of this game? To try and kill each other? -
Honestly, was too lazy to write up an example on why we should enable KVS, but you wrote one for me. How nice. I would've kick-voted him for insultingToday while playing a sniper-only Chinatown SnD game, I rushed to the A site but found an enemy player right next to gate. So naturally instead of changing to sniper I right-clicked my melee on him. He was a European guy from one of those Russian clans and he started crying "Kick Pooyan. Kick Pooyan. Kick Pooyan." He followed for the rest of the game and would throw derogatory insults whenever he'd find a chance. All this just because I meleed him in a sniper-only SnD game.
Isn't the KVS such a useful feature sometimes heh?
You know there's another way to every argument you make against KVS, right?
However, the good thing about it is I would rather not give hackers freedom to cheat without the fear of 'them' getting kicked than making 15 other players quit/uninstallPeople want to kick you because you kill them. I mean, isn't that the whole point of this game? To try and kill each other?
whatt? no it's to make bonds with each other. lmao -
+1 kick vote is life
when saidin was here he never changed anything. now every 2-3 months new KVS with stupid rules because some other "gm friends" QQ directly to the gms to change it and then its getting changed. This is not the way a company should work... -
Honestly, was too lazy to write up an example on why we should enable KVS, but you wrote one for me. How nice. I would've kick-voted him for insulting Isn't the KVS such a useful feature sometimes heh?
You know there's another way to every argument you make against KVS, right?
However, the good thing about it is I would rather not give hackers freedom to cheat without the fear of 'them' getting kicked than making 15 other players quit/uninstall
whatt? no it's to make bonds with each other.
You argument doesn't make any sense. He wouldn't resort to insulting if he could have me kicked. He stooped to insulting because he couldn't kick me as I wasn't in his team. But that won't happen in non-team based maps. No one would need to say a word. You kill them, they kick you. That's CF logic for you. -
First of all, we shouldn't fight among ourselves. Anti cheat software is the real problem here. No matter what we say or write about kvs. The fact that these hackers are slipping through our anti cheat software is a big question mark over its efficiency and effectiveness. KVS is not an actual solution and it never was.
I think that hackers are hitting pub rooms because ranked mode is kinda gone. -
I guess it's time to get rid of this useless XignCode and bring back XTrap or any other good anti cheat.It will cost more but money is not a problem for them.
More and more players leave.Remember when all UK servers were full?
KVS is not an option.Hackers were rarely kicked or it took way to ******* long to actually kick one.By the time he was kicked you already got 15+ deaths in FFA,screwing your K/D ratio.In HMX/HM they would've played 5+ rounds or the whole match because mido's are too busy kicking legit good players.
I kept coming back to this game,hoping that things will change but no.I'm seriously considering deleting this game.I regret every penny spent on this game.Once i was about to buy a VIP,THANK GOD i didn't. -
What happen to that machine ban thing grumpy made start of last year? Looking through all these replies and threads at this point they might as well remove this anti and hire more people for support or just place option to have kvs on/off in certain modes... since it doesn't look like switching anti is in their mindset.
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Stick to 1 thread.first of all, don't tell me to stick to 1 thread.
As mentioned before, this is currently a trial run to gather data regarding the KVS.A)
The best argument that can be made is for a trial run right now is to allow hosts to have an On/Off for KVS option.
You do realize that the GM's you see do not change the systems right? And that we don't change the rules on how the systems work? And that we don't have "friends" in this game and even if we did we are well trained enough and mature enough to not let that influence our views of what would be best for the game moving forward? It honestly amazes me how many times this accusation comes up when we've openly said many times that the stuff that happens to the game is a developer action. We are not the developers, and we do not program the game. If I had a dollar for every time I had to explain that, I could buy all of you VIP.when saidin was here he never changed anything. now every 2-3 months new KVS with stupid rules because some other "gm friends" QQ directly to the gms to change it and then its getting changed. This is not the way a company should work... -
The KVS is a double edged sword.
Everytime a hacker joins a room and is kicked I'm like Yey KVS, and everytime I get kicked(while a hacker won't get kicked for idk how many rounds) I'm like what's even the point of having it.
There isn't a middle solution regarding the KVS, people will always complain either way. The solution is, and always will be, the anticheat system.
Also, I wonder if the new wave of hackers was caused by the removal of the KVS(although I''m willing to bet that they found a new way to bypass the anticheat) -
[GM]Kanadian wrote: »Stick to 1 thread.
As mentioned before, this is currently a trial run to gather data regarding the KVS.
You do realize that the GM's you see do not change the systems right? And that we don't change the rules on how the systems work? And that we don't have "friends" in this game and even if we did we are well trained enough and mature enough to not let that influence our views of what would be best for the game moving forward? It honestly amazes me how many times this accusation comes up when we've openly said many times that the stuff that happens to the game is a developer action. We are not the developers, and we do not program the game. If I had a dollar for every time I had to explain that, I could buy all of you VIP.
It's clear the GMs aren't the developers, but what they can do is communicate when it comes to these kinds of matters. If you keep disabling and enabling the KVS that may not be your doing without notice and say you're collecting feedback like you claim, why don't you guys make some sort of thread like the honorable ribbon one and open some sort of discussion. I'm sure you guys don't just get a notice out of the blue when you arrive at the office that the KVS is enabled/disabled, some sort of communication probably goes on.
Usually when you're running some sort of trial to get people's feedback you inform them of what you're doing not just do it out of the blue. Like instead of voting, people can write discussions on why they want it or not want it, or the enable on/off option, rather than the method ya'll using now which seems to only be causing frustration and chaos. -
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I second this. An improved anti-cheat is what we need especially if we're keeping KVS disabled (which I prefer) but what I mean in the meantime of the anti-cheat getting revamped, is to keep KVS because it's disappointing seeing someone killing you behind a wall and can't do anything about it, but then again comes the risk of getting kicked for no reason, but what's the difference if there's a hacker that you encounter that can't be kicked, and you leave that room, than being kicked by KVS? To me it seems like the cheaters are the one benefiting off the first one.BlaCkeNeD7 wrote: »The KVS is a double edged sword.
Everytime a hacker joins a room and is kicked I'm like Yey KVS, and everytime I get kicked(while a hacker won't get kicked for idk how many rounds) I'm like what's even the point of having it.
There isn't a middle solution regarding the KVS, people will always complain either way. The solution is, and always will be, the anticheat system.
Also, I wonder if the new wave of hackers was caused by the removal of the KVS(although I''m willing to bet that they found a new way to bypass the anticheat) -
[GM]Kanadian wrote: »-looks at this thread-
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Good idea.
The methods you guys are doing right now, seems to be going well. But it's cool if you want to make side jokes.
This thread wasn't set to be a discussion thread maybe if you read it correctly, and I wrote "why don't you guys make a thread." So if you're using this as an excuse that people will misbehave and go off-topics that's why mods are there last I checked. Rather than fiddling around with the KVS like a light switch. -
oSasuke*** wrote: »So if you're using this as an excuse that people will misbehave and go off-topics that's why mods are there last I checked. Rather than fiddling around with the KVS like a light switch.
Actually, this wasn't meant as a joke. This was meant to point out that there already are threads, like this one, where people are having meaningful discussion about their opinions on the matter, and creating more of them (even an 'official' one) would be moot since these are already going well. -
[GM]Kanadian wrote: »Actually, this wasn't meant as a joke. This was meant to point out that there already are threads, like this one, where people are having meaningful discussion about their opinions on the matter, and creating more of them (even an 'official' one) would be moot since these are already going well.
Ummm... I'm going to take a leap and say maybe because they weren't informed of such changes that keep happening regarding the KVS? So probably that's why you're seeing many multiple of the same threads because why should they all write into one thread, they're players you can't hope to think they would all make one thread and express their frustrations into one single thread.
Probably that's why I suggested a person in authority to make a thread, if not at least inform of such changes to reduce the frustration and anger so they least expect it.(not guaranteeing it'll solve anything) But at least it shows you guys are trying and communication with players even though making these changes are out of your hand.
Lol if you aren't gonna make a thread fine, no one forcing you it's just a thought. But what you can do is inform like you guys said you were going to when it was enabled, gives you guys a place to start at the very least. -
It's the weekend, hackers will crawl back to their holes during weekdays. And how's the KVS gonna help you? If there are 4 hackers in the room, the kick vote's not gonna work anyway with 12-4.
Stick to one thread that already has 4 pages of discussion regarding this matter. Creating multiple threads doesn't make your opinion valid.
No they won't go back and matter of fact they will get more and more. just the fact there's 3 hackers in that game shows it's all related because they removed the kick system and I rather having the option of kicking them than just watching and can't do anything.
this new system is a call out for everyone to use a hack. reporting won't help anyone everyone can make new account in 2 minutes!!! -
They won't understand, those players who're agreeing with new kick system don't think more than one game they're playing and scared of getting kicked because mostly they're toxic. I've been collecting data in team based games and people who get kicked are the toxic once mostly.
this game just made a call out for everyone to use a hack and they don't get it.
selfish player can't think about more than their self they rather to not get kicked over kicking a hack that makes the game hell for every one but of course they won't see it. in about one week people will have enough of hackers and just download one of their own it's the only solution that normal player can do. I sent ticket to the system and they can't do anything about it. some people are actually liking this no kick system so I don't think they will give the old kick system back that easy.
If they won't make something to prevent hackers more than reports, I won't ever get mad for playing with a hack because they just told them to play freely. -
karamellaa wrote: »They won't understand, those players who're agreeing with new kick system don't think more than one game they're playing and scared of getting kicked because mostly they're toxic. I've been collecting data in team based games and people who get kicked are the toxic once mostly.
this game just made a call out for everyone to use a hack and they don't get it.
selfish player can't think about more than their self they rather to not get kicked over kicking a hack that makes the game hell for every one but of course they won't see it. in about one week people will have enough of hackers and just download one of their own it's the only solution that normal player can do. I sent ticket to the system and they can't do anything about it. some people are actually liking this no kick system so I don't think they will give the old kick system back that easy.
If they won't make something to prevent hackers more than reports, I won't ever get mad for playing with a hack because they just told them to play freely.
I agree with you most parts but gotta see that KVS isn't 100% guarantee that the cheater will get kicked most likely in FFA they might depending on the people in that room and the server you're in. If you played HMX in the past, you'll see the people's personality and their end goal in that mode, majority there will kick you for the smallest thing. Kick vote enabled in HMX, I highly doubt they will f11 for a cheater especially when nice portion are trying to fly glitch with their buddy and spamming "noob, hhhh."
I'm not saying remove it or keep it but there must be restrictions and rules that are built in the KVS so it doesn't get abused. Hell I got a screenshot of a vip player in that SMT clan glitching under the map, there was no kvs, and when game ended since I targeted him throughout the game for some reason the host kicked me only. When I rejoined the game the kid was still glitching and not even kicked but I was kicked for focus on him throughout the game, if KVS was enabled who do you think would been kicked, me or that kid glitching?.... People who are not in favor with having KVS have experience to why it's horrible and same goes for those who want it. -
karamellaa wrote: »They won't understand, those players who're agreeing with new kick system don't think more than one game they're playing and scared of getting kicked because mostly they're toxic. I've been collecting data in team based games and people who get kicked are the toxic once mostly.
Yeah that's not entirely true.
I try and be as nice as I can in-game, helping players and participating in conversations, and yet I'm kicked all the time just because of my score.
More often than not I can't finish a game of GM, Shadow, S&D, TD, etc. (Not as much in S&D/TD but still quite often) because I'm kicked for no valid reason.
Sometimes I'm not even talking or getting a good amount of kills but I'll find myself staring at the message telling me I've been kicked. -
master_mann wrote: »Yeah that's not entirely true.
I try and be as nice as I can in-game, helping players and participating in conversations, and yet I'm kicked all the time just because of my score.
More often than not I can't finish a game of GM, Shadow, S&D, TD, etc. (Not as much in S&D/TD but still quite often) because I'm kicked for no valid reason.
Sometimes I'm not even talking or getting a good amount of kills but I'll find myself staring at the message telling me I've been kicked.
Exactly this^
It's a good thing they removed it for FFA again, that was a no go anyways -
karamellaa wrote: »They won't understand, those players who're agreeing with new kick system don't think more than one game they're playing and scared of getting kicked because mostly they're toxic. I've been collecting data in team based games and people who get kicked are the toxic once mostly.
this game just made a call out for everyone to use a hack and they don't get it.
selfish player can't think about more than their self they rather to not get kicked over kicking a hack that makes the game hell for every one but of course they won't see it. in about one week people will have enough of hackers and just download one of their own it's the only solution that normal player can do. I sent ticket to the system and they can't do anything about it. some people are actually liking this no kick system so I don't think they will give the old kick system back that easy.
If they won't make something to prevent hackers more than reports, I won't ever get mad for playing with a hack because they just told them to play freely.
You still exaggerating your claims and lies? See Bunni up there? He's like the reincarnation of Mr. Miyagi and even he gets kicked all the time. TBH the only thing toxic I'm seeing on CF forums are your posts. Just stop claiming that all those who support removal of KVS are toxic.
The kick vote will not help you whatsoever. When it was enabled last month, 9 out of 10 times the kick failed when trying to get rid of glitchers/hackers/fly glitchers/net glitchers. But the aces of these rooms would definitely get kicked out almost all of the time because of all the rest of the players holding a grudge against the ace for being better/playing better than them.
These are some examples:
I try to kick a net glitcher. Some people press f12 for reason beyond my understanding and he survives the kick. If you're interested I'll tell you his IGN and you can try playing with him and see how non-toxic and honest player he is.
Then he tries to kick me because I tried kicking him.
And I'm kicked, just because I tried to kick him. Not to mention the geniuses who pressed F12 on a net glitcher, they press F11 on me. Logic?
A hacker survives the kick because of 3 smart people who pressed F12.
Can you guess why I'm being F11'ed here? Because I'm using Smoke/Trixxy.
A red marshal rank afkbotter/farmer survives the kick because people pressed F12. He can be seen in UK servers farming HMX rooms 24/7 during weekends to gain max EP.
Do I need to explain this too?
This person was blatantly using net-disconnect glitch in every single round. And when I tried kicking him, smart people press F12'ed and he survived. Then he started targeting me all over the game with his glitch, and using insulting remarks. I have a full replay of him and all the other guys I've showed above if you want proof of their hacking/glitching.
A glitcher survives the kick vote even with 10 votes against him. What's going on in those 5 players' minds? Where's the logic people keep blabbering about?
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A red marshal rank afkbotter/farmer survives the kick because people pressed F12. He can be seen in UK servers farming HMX rooms 24/7 during weekends to gain max EP.
LOL, probably the only person who actually makes 9.000 ep per day, hopefully he's gonna get account-block before he can spend them
Also, what is net-disconnect glitch? Do you mean the flyers ? -
LOL, probably the only person who actually makes 9.000 ep per day, hopefully he's gonna get account-block before he can spend them
Also, what is net-disconnect glitch? Do you mean the flyers ?
When people are camping in the cage in Merida, a mutant teleports right inside the cage and mutates everyone. That's net-disconnect glitch. It's supposed to kick you out of the game if your ethernet cable's been out for too long, but apparently these people have mastered the timing of this glitch and they employ this to reach camping players in HMX Rooftops, Resort, and virtually all other maps. I'd post a video, but I'd get infracted for it.
Edit: Funny thing is that half of the room doesn't even want to kick glitchers and hackers, they even outright support them. If someone uses a glitch, all other start saying "7ad fly" "Come fly" "fly fly fly". Some even have stored these invitations to their macros and they go like "Come Fly Come Fly Come Fly Come Fly." -
No. Internet disconnect glitch is also known as modem tapping. Some players use this trick to get high ping for few seconds. This gives them the ability to move freely. They can technically teleport anywhere without getting hit or seen by other players.LOL, probably the only person who actually makes 9.000 ep per day, hopefully he's gonna get account-block before he can spend them
Also, what is net-disconnect glitch? Do you mean the flyers ?
If you played HM/HMX/MM games, you might have seen some players getting inside of the cage out of thin air just like undertaker used to enter the ring. They used this trick.
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