the annoying knifing situation in sniper only.
Do you know when you're playing sniper only and you're doing pretty well and then this happends:
It's so annoying when you get knifed in this mode.
It's called SNIPER ONLY for a reason, to get kills with snipers
If you wanna knife then go play knife only ffs.
Is there like some kind of mentality behind this? Do some people think they're actually 'good' for knifing a near-defenseless player with a sniper at close range?
Like what are they thinking in their heads "ugh im gonna knife someone in sniper only to prove how good i am in knifing".
How about you disable ANY knife damage in this mode so that even if they hit you they don't damage you, or prevent them from slashing or stabbing.
It's the same thing like you do in Weapon Master where when you want to drop your gun you get this message
"You cannot drop weapons in Weapon Master Mode"
And in Sniper only it should say something along the line of "You cannot use melee weapons in Sniper Only Mode" "GO PLAY KNIFE ONLY FFS")
It's small tweaks like these that can make the game a hundred times better.
Things like:
- Making KVS optional. (must have)
- Adding a button to buy MULTIPLE crates in the Black Market instead of having to buy 10/50 each.
- Adding a button in storage to sort our weapons alphabetically.
- Increasing the Friend/Clan list capacity.
- Making Clan Chat messages appear in game when you're loading a room.
- Increasing the limit of coupons and also changing the items more often.
- And many more..
It's so annoying when you get knifed in this mode.
It's called SNIPER ONLY for a reason, to get kills with snipers
If you wanna knife then go play knife only ffs.
Is there like some kind of mentality behind this? Do some people think they're actually 'good' for knifing a near-defenseless player with a sniper at close range?
Like what are they thinking in their heads "ugh im gonna knife someone in sniper only to prove how good i am in knifing".
How about you disable ANY knife damage in this mode so that even if they hit you they don't damage you, or prevent them from slashing or stabbing.
It's the same thing like you do in Weapon Master where when you want to drop your gun you get this message
"You cannot drop weapons in Weapon Master Mode"
And in Sniper only it should say something along the line of "You cannot use melee weapons in Sniper Only Mode" "GO PLAY KNIFE ONLY FFS")
It's small tweaks like these that can make the game a hundred times better.
Things like:
- Making KVS optional. (must have)
- Adding a button to buy MULTIPLE crates in the Black Market instead of having to buy 10/50 each.
- Adding a button in storage to sort our weapons alphabetically.
- Increasing the Friend/Clan list capacity.
- Making Clan Chat messages appear in game when you're loading a room.
- Increasing the limit of coupons and also changing the items more often.
- And many more..
Comments
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kebapfreter wrote: »It's so annoying when you get knifed in this mode.
Take distance to each spawn point.
Try to make noscopes.
Take your own knife out and show him who dominates the game (is actually quite funny)
And do not let such people get you down.
I could make you a 10 minute video every week of people who knife me ... that's not worth it ... just as little as this thread.
But the idea of you is good!
I support that.kebapfreter wrote: »- Making KVS optional. (must have)
- Adding a button to buy MULTIPLE crates in the Black Market instead of having to buy 10/50 each.
- Adding a button in storage to sort our weapons alphabetically.
- Increasing the Friend/Clan list capacity.
- Making Clan Chat messages appear in game when you're loading a room.
- Increasing the limit of coupons and also changing the items more often.
- And many more.. -
master_mann wrote: »-1 for removing melee damage/melee weapons.
I'm not going to sit back and die just because I've run out of ammo. I want to kill someone with my knife, grab their gun, and continue sniping.
and it's fair enough when i using barrett (why i can't knife an enemy instead of slowly switch ?) so -1 . -
Take distance to each spawn point.
Try to make noscopes.
Take your own knife out and show him who dominates the game (is actually quite funny)
And do not let such people get you down.
I could make you a 10 minute video every week of people who knife me ... that's not worth it ... just as little as this thread.
But the idea of you is good!
I support that.Then knife them back.
Problem is that when i use snipers i tend to equip a normal knife. Like Hunting Knife or Knife cfs to make me run faster and make the quickswitch feel faster.I don't find it that irritating.
-1, I like the way KVS is structured now
I didn't say to remove the kvs, i said make it optional.
Why are you so against making the kvs optional?
There are people who like it and those who dont, if it was optional then you can join games that have it enabled and those that don't like it can join games that have it disabled. Everyone is happy.master_mann wrote: »-1 for removing melee damage/melee weapons.
I'm not going to sit back and die just because I've run out of ammo. I want to kill someone with my knife, grab their gun, and continue sniping.
Then what about when u kill someone with a sniper?
Their guns also drop then so you can pick them up and continue to snipe without needing to knife anyone.GeneralZezo2 wrote: »and it's fair enough when i using barrett (why i can't knife an enemy instead of slowly switch ?) so -1 .
It's because the person getting knifed wants to play with snipers and you're ruining his/her fun by knifing him instead. If you like knifing then you can join a knife only room where everyone has a knife equipped. -
kebapfreter wrote: »Then what about when u kill someone with a sniper?
Their guns also drop then so you can pick them up and continue to snipe without needing to knife anyone.
That would be fine, if they were close - But being sniper only, the engagement distance is usually quite far away. If I've just sniped someone with my last bullet from, say, B long to BL spawn on Festival, and someone spawns next to me, what am I supposed to do if I don't have a melee weapon? -
master_mann wrote: »That would be fine, if they were close - But being sniper only, the engagement distance is usually quite far away. If I've just sniped someone with my last bullet from, say, B long to BL spawn on Festival, and someone spawns next to me, what am I supposed to do if I don't have a melee weapon?
That's a rather extreme example.
How many times do you kill a played from long range with your last bullet and it someone spawns right next to you? Imo, that rarely happens unless you keep spraying your sniper or missing alot of shots.
What happens alot more is people spawning right next to you and they knife you. Which is why i suggest this.Melee them back and move on back to sniping.
I know but that could cause a chain reaction in which more and more people start knifing.
In the room with the picture there were 5 people running around knifing people constantly.
They're not doing what they're supposed to be doing.
It's similar to camping but in another scenario. -
kebapfreter wrote: »In the room with the picture there were 5 people running around knifing people constantly.
They're not doing what they're supposed to be doing.
While I know this is annoying, to be fair, there isn't really anything you're supposed to be doing (other than having fun) in a game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -
kebapfreter wrote: »That's a rather extreme example.
How many times do you kill a played from long range with your last bullet and it someone spawns right next to you? Imo, that rarely happens unless you keep spraying your sniper or missing alot of shots.
What happens alot more is people spawning right next to you and they knife you. Which is why i suggest this.
it might be an extreme example for a Barret or an AWM. but if someone's using an auto-sniper like the Ares Knight or even that SR99 or whatever, it's not that far out of the question. But then again....i've been kicked in the past for using auto-snipers in sniper only rooms too because reg sniper people call it cheating and un-fair and non-real sniper and usually those same people are the people that abuse the kick glitch with barret and VIP chars. which speaking of...
I'd much rather see a fix for the kick glitch that gets abused MUCH more in my experience in snipers only than people who just run around and melee.
Now that being said. I wouldn't be opposed to them reducing max knife damage down a bit so it's not like they can run up and insta-kill you before you notice them coming if you're hard scoping. but to make it 0 damage isn't a good idea. If it'd be 0 damage then they might as well remove the option to switch to melee....BUT OH NO can't do that...it'd ruin quick scoping...
ultimately the only thing people are SUPPOSE to be doing...is killing and/or having fun (like Bunni said). and that's all imma say about that. If it's a pub room....you should go into it expecting there will at least be 1 or 2 people doing something you don't agree with. If you don't want to see it....gather some like minded people and do a private room. -
master_mann wrote: »While I know this is annoying, to be fair, there isn't really anything you're supposed to be doing (other than having fun) in a game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well yeah i guess. But there should be a limit. You can compare it yo griefing/trolling.
The only one having fun then is the griefer.it might be an extreme example for a Barret or an AWM. but if someone's using an auto-sniper like the Ares Knight or even that SR99 or whatever, it's not that far out of the question. But then again....i've been kicked in the past for using auto-snipers in sniper only rooms too because reg sniper people call it cheating and un-fair and non-real sniper and usually those same people are the people that abuse the kick glitch with barret and VIP chars. which speaking of...
I'd much rather see a fix for the kick glitch that gets abused MUCH more in my experience in snipers only than people who just run around and melee.
Now that being said. I wouldn't be opposed to them reducing max knife damage down a bit so it's not like they can run up and insta-kill you before you notice them coming if you're hard scoping. but to make it 0 damage isn't a good idea. If it'd be 0 damage then they might as well remove the option to switch to melee....BUT OH NO can't do that...it'd ruin quick scoping...
ultimately the only thing people are SUPPOSE to be doing...is killing and/or having fun (like Bunni said). and that's all imma say about that. If it's a pub room....you should go into it expecting there will at least be 1 or 2 people doing something you don't agree with. If you don't want to see it....gather some like minded people and do a private room.
Actually, that's even better. Reducing the damage in sniper only so people dont abuse it.
And yes that as well, the kick glitch with vip chars.
Haven't tried doing a private room sniper only yet, but i will and see how it goes. -
kebapfreter wrote: »It's small tweaks like these that can make the game a hundred times better.
Things like:
- Making KVS optional. (must have)
- Adding a button to buy MULTIPLE crates in the Black Market instead of having to buy 10/50 each.
- Adding a button in storage to sort our weapons alphabetically.
- Increasing the Friend/Clan list capacity.
- Making Clan Chat messages appear in game when you're loading a room.
- Increasing the limit of coupons and also changing the items more often.
- And many more..
+1
Also it would be the greatest thing to add a trade system -
Unfortunately I'm fine with the knifing
if people wanna try and knife me, let them. 9/10 I can no scope them just before they hit me because they're so close
Yeh i have the same but that 1/10 times that they knife really annoys me.
It kinda interrupts my flow of sniping.thesuper850 wrote: »i know it is not nice when someone knife you from your back but snipers are for long distance fights and sometimes when your enemy passes a distance limit, you have to knife them so i don't are with the removal of meeles.
But at close distances it's alot easier to quickscope them.
Even when they're super close i still use the sniper.+1
Also it would be the greatest thing to add a trade system
Although i would like to see that as well.
From what i understood from people talking about it and such. Unless we can get a system like on Steam and z8 gets a % of trading then it most likely not gonna happendclaire9822 wrote: »Just get good at sniping so you can kill players before they Melee you.
Did you just tell me to git gud?
Look at the picture's scoreboard in the top and see how many kills the 1st player has, then look at how many kills i have.
According to that score, i was the best player in that room and I'm not trying to brag or anything but there are times when someone spawns next to you and you shoot that player but the player doesn't take any damage. Same goes for players who wait behind corners or doors to ambush you with that ****.
It doesn't matter how good you are. You can't win against set game mechanics and mode rules. -
kebapfreter wrote: »According to that score, i was the best player in that room and I'm not trying to brag or anything but there are times when someone spawns next to you and you shoot that player but the player doesn't take any damage.
But that would be the same regardless of whether they're using knife or sniper? -
master_mann wrote: »But that would be the same regardless of whether they're using knife or sniper?
Pretty much my thoughts. Learning spawns is pretty easy especially on New Greece, so finding a place on the map to avoid potential deaths when an enemy player spawns is something else people need to learn, aswell as always checking the spawn spots for players spawning. -
master_mann wrote: »But that would be the same regardless of whether they're using knife or sniper?
What i'm talking about is the opposite player spawning then using a melee instead of just sniping me, i don't do that. Also, i said that to explain to claire9822 that it doesn't matter how good you are. You cant break those set rules without using 3rd party programs.claire9822 wrote: »Pretty much my thoughts. Learning spawns is pretty easy especially on New Greece, so finding a place on the map to avoid potential deaths when an enemy player spawns is something else people need to learn, aswell as always checking the spawn spots for players spawning.
That would bring us to another topic which is camping/hardscoping. I like running and jumping around the map instead of staying in 1 spot the entire time.
I don't care about dying in sniper only ffa so long as i get killed by a sniper without the spawn farm or getting knifed. -
This suggestion is not worth the effort and time. Am i the only one here who thinks that knifers are easy kills in "sniper only" rooms?
In this case, It's not the game which need improvement but it's the players. Same goes for kick voting system. There is no flaw in KVS. The real problem lies with the playerbase who loves to kick ace or pros but they don't touch blatant hackers.
There are many other things which needs improvement like ranked mode which is a utter joke in the name of competition.
I kinda agree with the rest of the suggestions though. -
This suggestion is not worth the effort and time. Am i the only one here who thinks that knifers are easy kills in "sniper only" rooms?
In this case, It's not the game which need improvement but it's the players. Same goes for kick voting system. There is no flaw in KVS. The real problem lies with the playerbase who loves to kick ace or pros but they don't touch blatant hackers.
There are many other things which needs improvement like ranked mode which is a utter joke in the name of competition.
If we goes by your logic then they should disable knife damage in "All weapons" mode too as I used to kill noobs with my melee weapons in S&D/TDM/GM rooms. I kinda agree with the rest of the suggestions though.This suggestion is not worth the effort and time. Am i the only one here who thinks that knifers are easy kills in "sniper only" rooms?
In this case, It's not the game which need improvement but it's the players. Same goes for kick voting system. There is no flaw in KVS. The real problem lies with the playerbase who loves to kick ace or pros but they don't touch blatant hackers.
There are many other things which needs improvement like ranked mode which is a utter joke in the name of competition.
If we goes by your logic then they should disable knife damage in "All weapons" mode too as I used to kill noobs with my melee weapons in S&D/TDM/GM rooms. I kinda agree with the rest of the suggestions though.
I believe my original suggestion and the others i listed are 100% worth the time and effort, imajority of the suggestions i mentioned won't take much effort in the first place.
For me it's the small things that matter when updates take 2-3 weeks. Alot of people only play when there is an event going on because otherwise there isn't that much purpose if you already tried everything this game has to offer. And you have to deal with the many minor flaws this game has on top of that.
I know that it's the players in general that are to abusive of the systems (in this case knifers) but you can't change people's behaviour in a game by just telling them, but you CAN change or atleast adjust systems if they don't work. That was the original purpose of me making this thread.
And what do you mean with "my logic"?
When did i mention any other mode aside from FFA Sniper Only?
If those knifers want to knife players when all weapons are allowed then they can go ahead and do that if they want to get sprayed to death.
It's just that it's alot easier to knife someone holding a sniper then someone holding an assault rifle.
And i can explain why:
- Snipers are generally heavy and slow while knifers are light and fast. So when a sniper is going backwards and a knifer going forward while jumping around and zigzagging, the knifer has the advantage there.
- snipers also have low fire rate so when you shoot a bullet and it misses, then you're basically screwed as by the time you quickswitched the knifer will have already reached you.
- Most snipers (with barrett as the exception) don't do full damage to the legs so even if your no-scope manages to hit the knifer, there is still a chance that the knifer will survive with 1~19 hp..
The 3 above mentioned reasons are the MAIN reasons why snipers have a huge disadvantage compared to when you replace that sniper with an assault rifle, in which the roles would be reversed.
I do agree that ranked needs huge improvements though.
From match-making to balancing the teams to removing bugs which create 2 rooms for 16 players and many more.
But that's another topic, i recommend you check out this thread for that : http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?333898-A-mix-of-suggestions-for-the-upcoming-Ranked-Matches-Season -
Ahh... I see your point. I likes to bring my fr-f2 so no scope shoots are kinda fast and accurate for me :P. However, you are right about the general disadvantages of snipers against the knifers. Your post just made me realized that the reason i no longer use my barrett in sniper only modes is because of the disadvantage i have against the knifers.kebapfreter wrote: »I believe my original suggestion and the others i listed are 100% worth the time and effort, imajority of the suggestions i mentioned won't take much effort in the first place.
For me it's the small things that matter when updates take 2-3 weeks. Alot of people only play when there is an event going on because otherwise there isn't that much purpose if you already tried everything this game has to offer. And you have to deal with the many minor flaws this game has on top of that.
I know that it's the players in general that are to abusive of the systems (in this case knifers) but you can't change people's behaviour in a game by just telling them, but you CAN change or atleast adjust systems if they don't work. That was the original purpose of me making this thread.
And what do you mean with "my logic"?
When did i mention any other mode aside from FFA Sniper Only?
If those knifers want to knife players when all weapons are allowed then they can go ahead and do that if they want to get sprayed to death.
It's just that it's alot easier to knife someone holding a sniper then someone holding an assault rifle.
And i can explain why:
- Snipers are generally heavy and slow while knifers are light and fast. So when a sniper is going backwards and a knifer going forward while jumping around and zigzagging, the knifer has the advantage there.
- snipers also have low fire rate so when you shoot a bullet and it misses, then you're basically screwed as by the time you quickswitched the knifer will have already reached you.
- Most snipers (with barrett as the exception) don't do full damage to the legs so even if your no-scope manages to hit the knifer, there is still a chance that the knifer will survive with 1~19 hp..
The 3 above mentioned reasons are the MAIN reasons why snipers have a huge disadvantage compared to when you replace that sniper with an assault rifle, in which the roles would be reversed.
I do agree that ranked needs huge improvements though.
From match-making to balancing the teams to removing bugs which create 2 rooms for 16 players and many more.
But that's another topic, i recommend you check out this thread for that : http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?333898-A-mix-of-suggestions-for-the-upcoming-Ranked-Matches-Season
I was just trying to say that playerbase is the real problem as they use knives in Sniper only rooms and they abuse the kvs. I wouldn't mind if they disable knife damage in sniper only mode though.
I edited my previous comment. -
This has been a thing since 2009 if not longer, so what they knife... you call it a disadvantage for you but yet they have to be super close and you have a sniper that shoots no matter the distance so whos really at a disadvantage here? Yeah disable melee dmg so if you have to reload you cant just switch to your knife and knife them then switch back and reload, yeah thats smart... Combat will never be fair get over it
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' wrote:K[illa;4532562']This has been a thing since 2009 if not longer, so what they knife... you call it a disadvantage for you but yet they have to be super close and you have a sniper that shoots no matter the distance so whos really at a disadvantage here? Yeah disable melee dmg so if you have to reload you cant just switch to your knife and knife them then switch back and reload, yeah thats smart... Combat will never be fair get over it
No, this has not been a thing since 2009 because back then everyone had a regular knife and 9/10 they wouldn't manage to knife someone if they tried.
And what nonsense are you on about? When did i mention that you have to be at long range to knife someone? I'm talking exactly about those that ARE super close to you.
The ones that spawn, camp or fall close to you. Not the ones that are at the other end of the map.
Knifing is something almost every sniper hates, it's not a coincidence that whenever i join a sniper only Snd Festival that every knifer gets kicked.
The majority doesn't like it from what i've seen, and i don't like it either.
And no, i won't get over it. If i don't like something then i will talk about it, i don't need you to tell me what to do and what not to do. -
You know its amazing that you said "2009 everyone had a regular knife", cause man I could have swore that I used the default Axe in a few 2009 videos I have.kebapfreter wrote: »No, this has not been a thing since 2009 because back then everyone had a regular knife and 9/10 they wouldn't manage to knife someone if they tried.
Then quick scope or no scope them or knife them.. Simple. Yes they have to be very close to you chances are if they are that close either you're on top of a spawn point or b you're bad at aiming either way they are at the disadvantage when running around with a knife out. When did I ever say you did? I simply said that "you call it a disadvantage for you but yet they have to be super close and you have a sniper that shoots no matter the distance" to the person above my post which last I checked wasn't you.kebapfreter wrote: »And what nonsense are you on about? When did i mention that you have to be at long range to knife someone? I'm talking exactly about those that ARE super close to you.
FFA is to make your aim+pinpointing+knowledge better, if you don't know where the spawn points/camp spots are well I don't know what to tell you.kebapfreter wrote: »The ones that spawn, camp or fall close to you. Not the ones that are at the other end of the map.
The reason people hate knifers in snipers only is mostly cause they're embarrassed when they get knifed, Same reason people complain over guns or camping as GR in SnD people hate dying and they will always cry and make up reasons.kebapfreter wrote: »Knifing is something almost every sniper hates, it's not a coincidence that whenever i join a sniper only Snd Festival that every knifer gets kicked.
The majority doesn't like it from what i've seen, and i don't like it either.
Like I said combat will never be fair on games or IRL.kebapfreter wrote: »And no, i won't get over it. If i don't like something then i will talk about it, i don't need you to tell me what to do and what not to do.
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