Boycott!
After last patch, Z8Games administration returns back vote kick system at MM/HM/HMX/ZM/ZM2/ZM3/FFA modes and start to trolling good players with good guns. Now, several noobs is able to kick good player, who play game better when others for a fake reason or without reason. Z8Games administration don't approve ANY punishment for that actions, so, now it's a harrassment of good players in the game. That situation show us, what Z8Games have 0 patient and respect to old and skilled players, who can be kicked from the game for nothing.
So, i don't see any other method to show Z8Games administration, what game administration must hear opinion of players, must respect old and skilled players, like a boycott.
I propose that demands to Z8Games administration:
1. If you like to use vote kick system, make that modification:
a) players with NEWBEE rank CAN'T start ANY VOTING (because they are UNSKILLED players)
b) players, who play game more then 5 years must have FULL protection against vote kick system.
c) vote kick system must be removed from ZM/ZM2/ZM3 modes
d) room owner can't be kicked from his own room.
2. Z8Games administration must create a council of old and skilled players and should consult with them on global changes in the game.
3. Z8Games must add moderators in the game. That moderators can play game as usual players and remove cheaters from the game online with temporary ban for 1 week. After game, that moderators must create a reports and send it to the Support team. That action can help us to clean the game from different cheaters garbage.
So, i don't see any other method to show Z8Games administration, what game administration must hear opinion of players, must respect old and skilled players, like a boycott.
I propose that demands to Z8Games administration:
1. If you like to use vote kick system, make that modification:
a) players with NEWBEE rank CAN'T start ANY VOTING (because they are UNSKILLED players)
b) players, who play game more then 5 years must have FULL protection against vote kick system.
c) vote kick system must be removed from ZM/ZM2/ZM3 modes
d) room owner can't be kicked from his own room.
2. Z8Games administration must create a council of old and skilled players and should consult with them on global changes in the game.
3. Z8Games must add moderators in the game. That moderators can play game as usual players and remove cheaters from the game online with temporary ban for 1 week. After game, that moderators must create a reports and send it to the Support team. That action can help us to clean the game from different cheaters garbage.
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3. Z8Games must add moderators in the game. That moderators can play game as usual players and remove cheaters from the game online with temporary ban for 1 week. After game, that moderators must create a reports and send it to the Support team. That action can help us to clean the game from different cheaters garbage.
This would be the best option to get rid of a lot of hackers.They could place around 1 or 2 mods on every channel and they would have the ability to ban people from 1 day to permanent.
Bug abusing=1-7 days
Cheating=30 days or permanent. -
What if you make a new account and join in FFA for example and there is a cheater, you wont be able to kick him cause you will be "UNSKILLED".a) players with NEWBEE rank CAN'T start ANY VOTING (because they are UNSKILLED players)
Again no, i met many cheaters/abusers who play the game since then.b) players, who play game more then 5 years must have FULL protection against vote kick system.
You can't be kicked that easy from ZM, everyone has to accept (press f11).c) vote kick system must be removed from ZM/ZM2/ZM3 modes
What if he is botter or cheater ?d) room owner can't be kicked from his own room.
I can kinda say there are already players for this3. Z8Games must add moderators in the game. That moderators can play game as usual players and remove cheaters from the game online with temporary ban for 1 week. After game, that moderators must create a reports and send it to the Support team. That action can help us to clean the game from different cheaters garbage.
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The Above points mentioned can easily be solved with a Simple On and Off Kick Vote Option when making the room. This gives you as a player the ability to choose to enter Room Kick able and face any kick vote or join a Room none Kick able [Off] where you will be safe from any kick abuse but accept the risk not being able to kick anyone including hackers.
Personally I have pushed for the Host On and Off option since the last Kick Vote thread before removing the Kick vote but we got it disabled on some and then we had complains about not being able to kick Hackers in Hmx, FFA and Idle players in Zombie mode. This could of been prevented with Host Option On and Off. During hacking waves, you could Enable it as host or disable it. You accept the risk of Enabled and Disabled but option is given. Now we have Kick vote lol ZM, HMX and can kick hackers and Idle players but we still get complains. So best Option Officially is Option to Enable and Disable it when ever the Host Wants before starting the room. A Simple Icon on the Rooms to Show if Kick vote is Enabled or Disabled.
That has been my stance on Kick Vote from the Last 8+ months and still stand behind that Idea Kick Vote Enabled and Disabled Option. All players benefit, those who like Kick vote and those who don't like Kick Vote. Also this helps during events to make Rooms Kick able and None Kick able. As for the other Points about Mods and Admins, I have no comment. -
What if you make a new account and join in FFA for example and there is a cheater, you wont be able to kick him cause you will be "UNSKILLED".
if you're a SKILLED player, you upgrade your rank to Sgt. for 1 day So, save replay and report cheaters at Support page. Don't forget, if you kick cheater from the game, that action doesn't make a automatic report.Again no, i met many cheaters/abusers who play the game since then.
report them. I don't meet many cheaters with HSR and 5+ year old profile.You can't be kicked that easy from ZM, everyone has to accept (press f11).
That's easy. You start to play with your friends, when they are DC/left room and new players come to the room and FIRST action now - kick the ace. So, for 30 round ZM1 current situation is TOTALLY bad, because player, who was kicked from ZM rooms, spend 20-30 min. for NOTHING. -
This is the worst option against hackers. Many Moderators will ban players without a sold reason. They may ban players as a revenge just like "some" of them do on this forum.Believe me this thing will kill this game.3. Z8Games must add moderators in the game. That moderators can play game as usual players and remove cheaters from the game online with temporary ban for 1 week. After game, that moderators must create a reports and send it to the Support team. That action can help us to clean the game from different cheaters garbage.
The best option is to replace this garbage anti cheat software with the better one. There's no point in banning players through support center when hackers can make another account within few minutes.
Few months ago, I proposed some suggestions regarding this issue:After thinking carefully about the current hacking situation. I came up with 4 suggestions as a counter attack.
My FIRST suggestion is to stop the registration process ASAP. Halt the registration for unknown period of time. Let me tell you the reason behind this move. This will push the hackers into the corner. They will have less options to consider. However, this move wouldn’t be effective without stringent and robust reporting system.
Reporting system should be improved to cope up with the modern world. The faster the reporting system is the quicker we get rid of hackers as they will not be able to cheat with new accounts in case of cancellation of registration. This will automatically result into the EXTINCTION of the hackers after some time.
My SECOND suggestion is related with the first one. After stopping the registration, try to introduce some kind of event to increase the awareness of reporting. Let’s say make an event that would give 30 EPs to every player who reports the hacker. This will help to get rid of hackers quickly. However, it will increase the risk of massive amount of false reports. To counter it, a limit of 10 reports per day per user should be made. Mentioning of the “time of hacking occurred” should be made compulsory in the hack reporting system. Any deliberately misleading hacking report or spamming of reports should be declared as a bannable offence (not a permanent one though).
However, I would say it again that all of it depends upon reporting system. It will not be an effective move if the current reporting system stays the same.
My THIRD suggestion is to replace the current anti cheat software with the new one let’s say replace it with the CF china’s anti cheat. Hackers can’t hack without bypassing the anti-cheat. The current wave of hackers is a proof that they are able to bypass current anti cheat without much difficulty. It is not so difficult to fix or patch even current anti-cheat after looking at the hacking videos of YT and a well-known hacking website to think of a possible patch against their bypassing software.
My last suggestion is the easiest and fastest of all.
Are you too lazy to update or replace anti-cheat?
Do you not want to improve the reporting system?
Are you tired of watching “boring” replays and you don’t want to see any of it? If your answer is yes then don’t worry You can still try this solution to get rid of hackers.
Just follow these steps:
STEP 1:
- The quickest way to find out who is hacking and who is not is to look at the record of all players who played last two weeks*.
*Note: If you don’t want to look at the records of past 6 months of all players then just use the data of last two weeks.
STEP 2
- For TD, FFA and S&D modes, Filter the players who have the insane KDR in these past two weeks like 900 kills with 10 or 15 deaths.
- For Mutant related modes, Filter the players who have the insane scores in HM or HMX e.g. 200/1 or 400/3
STEP 3 (For TDM, FFA and S & D modes):
- As there is a chance that some legitimate players may also get filtered out because of farming try to dig more into the data of these players. Out of these filtered-out players, try to find the players whose last 2 week’s kills mainly or entirely consists of knife kills. As 1 hit knife hack is a current hot hack among hackers this will expose the black sheep out of the flock.
STEP 3 (For HM, HMX and MM):
- As there is a chance that some legitimate players may also get filtered-out try to dig more into the data of these players. Compare the score of each filtered-out player with that of other players who played with him in that room. If the difference between their scores is found to be too large then find out whether it was just a single case or he continuously scored extremely higher than the rest of the players in all of the games he played in last 2 weeks.
STEP 4 (For TDM, FFA and S & D modes):
- Reverse the step 2 and 3. I mean filter out the players whose knife kills make up a significant portion of their total amount of kills in these 2 past weeks. Look at the K/D of these players and filter out the players with insane or unrealistic KDR. The purpose of Step 4 is to rule out the possibility of hackers not getting caught by first 3 steps.
STEP 4 (For HM, HMX and MM)
There is a chance that two or more hackers might have played in a single room. Therefore, it will be hard to trace the hackers by using the abovementioned technique. In this case, if you have access to the “mutant kills” record of the players then try to find out the players with extremely high mutant kills record.
LAST STEP:
- Drop the almighty ban hammer on these ugly hackers!
Keep repeating these steps after every 2 weeks or any specified period of time.
These are mere suggestions so treat them accordingly. Thank you! -
To comment on this, restoring the kick vote in some modes has been an experiment in how the vote would be used if restored. We are collecting data, and feedback, and this experiment will eventually end and everything will go back to normal. We appreciate your patience while we check this out
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As an addicted and pretty ambitious FFA player, I'm too disappointed with the decision the GM's made.
I still do not understand why they did it, and I'll probably never get an answer.
I do not know how bad the situation is him HMX, but I know how the situation is in FFA.
I've played over 100 FFA games in the last 2 months, and believe me there were less than 10 hackers in it.
And besides, NOBODY asked to introduce this 'kickvote' back into FFA.
Anyway, I think it's a pity ... Not only are good players being kicked out now, but they've also ruined the fun and joy of this game, and all that, with just one update ... I'd like CamelSoldier's idea to be satisfied.[GM]Kanadian wrote: »To comment on this, restoring the kick vote in some modes has been an experiment in how the vote would be used if restored. We are collecting data, and feedback, and this experiment will eventually end and everything will go back to normal. We appreciate your patience while we check this out
ASAP Please! -
[GM]Kanadian wrote: »To comment on this, restoring the kick vote in some modes has been an experiment in how the vote would be used if restored. We are collecting data, and feedback, and this experiment will eventually end and everything will go back to normal. We appreciate your patience while we check this out
Next time...annouce it... -
[GM]Kanadian wrote: »To comment on this, restoring the kick vote in some modes has been an experiment in how the vote would be used if restored. We are collecting data, and feedback, and this experiment will eventually end and everything will go back to normal. We appreciate your patience while we check this out
next time, PLEASE, say it. it's not a joke, when noobs kick you from ZM from your OWN room.
i can't start ZM/ZM2 alone. and can't clear ZM2 alone.. i'm not a cheater. -
What kinda nonsense is that?b) players, who play game more then 5 years must have FULL protection against vote kick system.......
d) room owner can't be kicked from his own room
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First of all, just because an account is old, doesn't give him any right/privilege over any other player. Have you forgotten that there are various reasons for kicking a player? Not just because he's hacking. Insulting/swearing/bug/idle etc etc. And no, players with 5 years old account also insult, also go AFK.
Second of all, Are you even serious about the second one? A room owner can't be kicked. Well cool, not so long ago, during the zombie event, the one with max 150 crates per player. Tons and tons of players would go and make a room, using scripts and leave the pc alone while other players join the room and the room starts automatically.
We get it that you're annoyed cause you got kicked, but the greater good is what actually. The system wasn't put back for a single player.
+1 for keeping the kick vote system. -
[GM]Kanadian wrote: »To comment on this, restoring the kick vote in some modes has been an experiment in how the vote would be used if restored. We are collecting data, and feedback, and this experiment will eventually end and everything will go back to normal. We appreciate your patience while we check this out
Kanadian, can you tell them to just make it optional?
The KVS is a double-edged sword.
Both turning it on and off has equally good and bad sides.
But there are some players who are 100% for the kick voting being enabled while another part is for disabling it.
How to satisfy both sides? Make it optional for the host.
The host can decide before joining the game whether it's gonna be on or off, and can ONLY be changed AFTER the game finishes.
I believe that's the most sensible and satisfying decision that will please both sides.
That's my take on the situation :d -
Actually, that's a really good idea.kebapfreter wrote: »Kanadian, can you tell them to just make it optional?
The KVS is a double-edged sword.
Both turning it on and off has equally good and bad sides.
But there are some players who are 100% for the kick voting being enabled while another part is for disabling it.
How to satisfy both sides? Make it optional for the host.
The host can decide before joining the game whether it's gonna be on or off, and can ONLY be changed AFTER the game finishes.
I believe that's the most sensible and satisfying decision that will please both sides.
That's my take on the situation :d -
I 100% agree that kvs coming back to modes like FFA and ZM (oh especially ZM) was a really REALLY bad choice.
I don't often play ZM with randoms, but I would from time to time just because I like helping. Now with the kvs back in it, I can't, or more importantly WONT, trust anybody outside of my clan or friends to play ZM. -
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it should be a complete perm ban on the spot. The other worse thing now is the hackers keep it toned down right until the end than they blow it out of the water to keep from getting kicked. Still just played an 8min eygpt where mostly higher ranks, our kds 40s-15s, one guys at max rank and no clan, 90s-20s and they keep him the entire game. lmao. Seriously? Theres got to be something better they can friggin do. Its getting ridiculous. Worse than 2009-2011 kind of ridiculous.
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[GM]Kanadian wrote: »To comment on this, restoring the kick vote in some modes has been an experiment in how the vote would be used if restored. We are collecting data, and feedback, and this experiment will eventually end and everything will go back to normal. We appreciate your patience while we check this out
God can't we just have what CamelSoldier is propposing? It's the best way to satisfy people from both sides of the argument!
Maybe you could even make an option on the config menu selecting if you want the kick vote to be ON/OFF by default on your own rooms or smth. -
jayantmaden wrote: »I personally would like to see a kick vote option determined by the host but only for FFA and HMX or sheep/coin mode. This is to mainly combat those using speed cheats for movement or for melee weapons.
What is the point for some modes only, people will complain about not kicking in TDM or being kicked in TDM etc other modes Enabled or Disabled. So best option is to give everyone the choice to Enable or Disabled when making a room[All Modes]. Then those of us who join the rooms do so knowing it's Disabled or Enabled. Or simply make our own room with our own Preference Disabled or Enabled and accept the risk of it being of by our choice joining such a room or making such a room. Accept the risk of making an Enabled room or joining an Enabled room.
As a host option available for all modes, I would use the Disabled feature when no hacking waves and maybe Enable my own rooms during hacking seasons.
I would also use Disabled feature during Events if I noticed I am kicked many times preventing me from doing my events etc.
Have Disabled and Enable option for all players on all modes when creating rooms. This saves the GMs time from future complains about other modes that have Kick vote. The room you join or make is at your own risk of kicking or not kicking. Simple. On top of that, we obviously need more Anti-Cheat updates like weekly rather than monthly. Maybe even have limit, you can only be voted twice in a game to prevent kick abuse if failed that's it your safe. -
CamelSoldier wrote: »What is the point for some modes only, people will complain about not kicking in TDM or being kicked in TDM etc other modes Enabled or Disabled. So best option is to give everyone the choice to Enable or Disabled when making a room[All Modes]. Then those of us who join the rooms do so knowing it's Disabled or Enabled. Or simply make our own room with our own Preference Disabled or Enabled and accept the risk of it being of by our choice joining such a room or making such a room. Accept the risk of making an Enabled room or joining an Enabled room.
As a host option available for all modes, I would use the Disabled feature when no hacking waves and maybe Enable my own rooms during hacking seasons.
I would also use Disabled feature during Events if I noticed I am kicked many times preventing me from doing my events etc.
Have Disabled and Enable option for all players on all modes when creating rooms. This saves the GMs time from future complains about other modes that have Kick vote. The room you join or make is at your own risk of kicking or not kicking. Simple. On top of that, we obviously need more Anti-Cheat updates like weekly rather than monthly. Maybe even have limit, you can only be voted twice in a game to prevent kick abuse if failed that's it your safe.
I agree, if 50% says yes and the other 50% says no then the best option we have here is to let the players themeselves choose.
Choosing either side will have bad results. -
One bid issue is money. Now don't get me wrong, z8games makes a killing and is one of the highest grossing online games. Two issues red flag for me. One, (no offense) what was the original intent to have in game gms if not to help with the hacking problems and such? Second, as far as anticipation of new hacks and everything, z8games and the coding department could always stay on their toes just by going on youtube and reviewing the methods used by the noobs. They can see the newer programs and ways used as well as older methods that have just been revised to the game. I don't know, maybe its just wishful thinking. Ive been an original player since 2009 and it just seems to me with the money they make, especially the last few years, they could use more money towards ways to keep loyal players happy versus trying to bring new players in which in turn brings hacking up. Just thoughts but then again doctors say im crazy lol.
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