Crossfire Discord Review

AlwaysSnipin

Seeing that my days on the CF Discord are over, I think it's time for me to do a overall review on the whole thing since... i've been there for some time.

NOW NOW This isn't a thread bashing the damn thing. Pro's and Con's will be stated, it's just a review and I have all rights to post one.

Now let's get it started.

I was invited into the Discord around October ( when it was invites only ) and it was pretty good, nice environment and nice people plus there weren't so many people so around this time it wasn't too bad. It was just a little chatroom for some forumers, MODs and of course the GM's so we could all communicate together and report stuff if needed but that felt more like a side thing.

Now let's skip this time since this was like the Beta of the Discord and now the offical thing is out for community to use.

Since I know someone will LOVE to delete this thread due to me being rude (aka stating my mind) I will start with the Pro's... you happy?

The Discord was pretty much the Forum 2.0 and it felt like it. Yes it took out the whole thread creating but you could actually have one giant talk with a bunch of people and felt actually very good. I feel that the Main Channel was fine at where it was with limited people and things weren't totally crazy so everyone would be on the same topic and all joking with each other and this made me see that maybe forumers aren't too bad which is what I should be feeling, I should feel like I am getting closer with others and that did so happen with me making friends with people I would probably avoid at all cost so it really created a different view of the community in a... good way. Then you had the ability to Report People on the spot and Report Bugs on the spot which was both in the Beta of the Discord but with there being more people using the feature it felt like this was the next step to lowing the hacking count and it was truely working with the GM's actually doing what they said they would and try to get into these matchs ASAP and deal with the hackers on the spot which is pretty amazing. Ranked being so bad with hackers and being able to just instantly report them without having to write a full report form made things just... wow. Being able to have 1on1 talks with GM's was a huge +1 for me, rather than me making a ticket which I may not be able to reply is annoying but seeing that I could just direct a GM if I have any kind of question or help made me feel like I wasn't wasting my time making a full ticket for one little reply that I may need to write another ticket for too get the full understanding and just made things quicker overall. Honestly the whole thing sounds amazing, I couldn't be against it at all but...

Let's get onto the Con's... just hear me out.
(For MODs/GMs: If you truely feel like any parts are anyway breaking any rules, I would like to be informed before any changes or closure. I am trying my hardest to not break anything)

With so many +1's you would think that they couldn't go wrong, right? Well, I think this more directs to how people mindset's are. Let me start small, anyone is going to jump into the Discord since it's the new thing right now and it's just the new "wave" which has made it a great place for scammers. Scammers have used it by changing their name to some forumer that is well known (Let's say Bunni for example) maybe change their Discord Profile Picture as theirs and tried to fool people into giving them things such as their account, now you may be wondering that this is a pretty dumb way to scam people, right? Well you got to rememeber some people in the community aren't that... smart. Now I know this isn't something that the GM's can fully deal with without going out their own way and checking everyone but then again they can change their Discord Name at any time so there's no point on checking everyone but it is an small issue that could only happen in the Discord.

Now I guess i'll just end it with the biggest con and not bounce around it and make this review longer than it needs to be. The people are just... bad? I think it's just that it's a different format meaning people feel like they can act differently which can be for the worse or the best. Me? I act the same on the forums and the Discord (during the Beta, sure I acted more to my real self.) because I don't really care, I shouldn't feel the need to pretend to be different or worship others to make sure I am safe from trouble. Now this has caused alot of problems. With certain people very eager to run into a GM or a MOD instantly over something small or making something small become a big problem is something that has happen too often in the Discord and has caused people to leave. I am not someone that would fully care about what others think but seeing that people would work together to take someone else down it's a bit.. surprising to see since it's something you wouldn't see on the forums since it's just slower all around and people know that they are both going to end up getting in trouble for it but if one person starts something and another person makes it worse, if the person who makes it worse reports the first person first then they are not going to be bothered with any kind of warning for their actions while the first person will take full 100% blame even if they were defending themselves. Now this is a huge issue that others have had to deal with, #Rule5(zowg). I feel like the viewing of people are different between others and that's something that the forum had less of, yes MODs may hate certains more than others but it wasn't that deep while I feel in the Discord it's more on "Who's the one that's more believable" and with my status being so bad I am mostly always going to be the one being punished for their actions and I am surprised others have had to go through it too seeing that they are nearly as bad as me but still have gone throguh what i've gone through mulitple times. I don't know who would take the blame for this issue but I think it's just an whole group team problem but I can't point fingers at anyone here.

I have felt that the community has felt split. Certain Ranks could only speak to other ranks. Marshalls wouldn't brother going in the Major voice chat since they have their own Marshall chat that was more active and I felt that was just really unneeded and even others have said it felt very pointless and seems like it's only there to cause problems with commuicating with others and making certains feel above others when no one should like that at all.

And plus, warnings... they seem to not exist yet I have had many. Broke three rules but yet knew about any of these rules being broken. There's no talk about what you've done it's just an instant kick with no say towards it, if I had not sent a Support Ticket I would of been left hanging clueless with even MODs not knowing what had happen, it needs to be same as it is on the forums, a BOT must tell you your warnings and what rules have been broken and how close you are from being kicked.

Overall, I give the Discord a 2/5 there's alot of work that needs to be done but if it started out so well then it shouldn't end so badly.

*I have checked for any rules that have been broken and feel like I am clear from trouble so IF anything is an issue, don't jump right into deleting the thread or locking since I DID NOT MAKE THIS TO CAUSE TROUBLE*

[GM]Kanadian

AlwaysSnipin wrote: »

And plus, warnings... they seem to not exist yet I have had many. Broke three rules but yet knew about any of these rules being broken. There's no talk about what you've done it's just an instant kick with no say towards it,

I personally talked to you multiple times about the things you were doing wrong. I lost count of how many people you called idiots, the spamming, and the general negativity. Idk what it is but you seem to have swings from like, being an actual good guy to being super negative and trying to stir the pot.

Otherwise the above seems a fair and accurate review, and doesn't appear to break any rules. We'll leave this up as long as discussion remains civil, as its basically an opinion piece.

iDupree_

AlwaysSnipin wrote: »

I have felt that the community has felt split. Certain Ranks could only speak to other ranks. Marshalls wouldn't brother going in the Major voice chat since they have their own Marshall chat that was more active and I felt that was just really unneeded and even others have said it felt very pointless and seems like it's only there to cause problems with commuicating with others and making certains feel above others when no one should like that at all.

Uhhh... The Marshal was only "active" once. iirc, it was just bunni and someone else talking in it. The people are not split, we still talk on the channels where everyone is, even on the prove-your-worth channel. It's just roles for people who have been there for longer and *cough* followed the rules the whole times *cough*.

How do you know you break three rules and don't know why you got kicked? Didn't you read the rules?

For me, it just seems you dislike to follow the rules. I don't like a lot of the rules, believe me, but I still follow them because well... They're rules.

Caffeine_Joe

iDupree_ wrote: »

Uhhh... The Marshal was only "active" once. iirc, it was just bunni and someone else talking in it. The people are not split, we still talk on the channels where everyone is, even on the prove-your-worth channel. It's just roles for people who have been there for longer and *cough* followed the rules the whole times *cough*.

How do you know you break three rules and don't know why you got kicked? Didn't you read the rules?

For me, it just seems you dislike to follow the rules. I don't like a lot of the rules, believe me, but I still follow them because well... They're rules.

You want some cough syrup ?

AlwaysSnipin

iDupree_ wrote: »

Uhhh... The Marshal was only "active" once. iirc, it was just bunni and someone else talking in it. The people are not split, we still talk on the channels where everyone is, even on the prove-your-worth channel. It's just roles for people who have been there for longer and *cough* followed the rules the whole times *cough*.

How do you know you break three rules and don't know why you got kicked? Didn't you read the rules?

For me, it just seems you dislike to follow the rules. I don't like a lot of the rules, believe me, but I still follow them because well... They're rules.

Major and Marshall ranks are pretty much the same. Just have separate voice channels but shouldn't be treated like ones superior to the other.

So let's say when a MOD gave you an infraction you weren't told about it at all, no message no tab you just knew nothing about and all of a sudden you hit your 10th Infraction without even knowing so you are permanently banned. Does that sound right? The only true statement I got was from the Support Ticket and sure Kanadian brought up one rule broken as a way to say that the outcome of both parties were caused by the beginning of my actions but I wasn't directly told on what was the final thing to get me kicked or even lead to get me kicked it was just instant. An simple BOT that would PM you your warning of what rule has been broken would be nice and cause no confusion. I have nothing against the rules but have a problem with not being notified when I've broken a rule in the same manner I am told when I have been given a warning or an Infraction on the forum.

M1600wner

Well, let's see here.

I do vehemently agree with the Pros that you listed. While I wouldn't call it a Forum 2.0, myself, it certainly made things a lot more... direct.
Both for players under themselves, but also for Players to have a bit of a direct wire with the GMs, which I find pretty great. The ability to report folks is pretty much the icing on the cake.

As for the negatives, I suppose that same direct contact to any MOD and GM that you praised makes this a double edged sword. Naturally some people are going to be at their best behavior when the GMs are but a click away, and I personally feel that it's perfectly fine.
Hell, I probably do it myself without noticing. But that also means that some will be that much more likely to not accept even the smallest transgression of the rules and report you to the Authorities, if I may be so bold as to call it that. To that, I can't really say much, other than that I think the GMs seem to have been rather lenient with the enforcement of the rules, which in my opinion is a good thing, as long as it didn't outright devolve into straight up racism, (Jigglypuff over here only received a (Temp?) Mute even after that little debacle with the 7 Page Thread, for example) posting nudes and the like. And well, whether a community gets regarded good or bad tends to mostly rely on the things you've seen, yourself. Thus, I can neither disagree nor agree on that front. Also, the whole "People working together to take someone else down" also isn't something I personally happened to witness, so I also can't give much of an opinion there. I do concede that people being so quick to jump the gun with reporting others who committed rather minor offenses in my View does irk me to an extent.

I just noticed that I completely glossed over your Point with the scammers, so I shall address that now as well.

As you've said, there isn't really much the GMs can do about it, (And quite frankly, I never even connected the dots that those masquerading as other people could be using it to scam people, Since I view imitation as the highest form of flattery, after all.) and it falls more to the players to keep an eye out for such despicable acts, as I think that said scammers won't be trying to scam a GM out of their Account. Overall, a valid concern that with due time will most likely end up being eliminated by a large margin.
Perhaps there are some kind of plugins which disallows duplicate Names, or the like, to at least minimize the chances of someone falling for such a scam.

As for the Split, as Dupree said, that seemingly happened only once, and even then, I missed it, heh. Overall, I don't think that there is much of a divide between folks in the "Prove your Worth" Channel, "Major" Channel and "Marshall" Channel. Most of the time, you see everyone interact with everyone everywhere, to the best of their abilities, which I found to be quite an impressive feat.

And finally, as for the Warnings, also something I can't really speak on, as I haven't really done anything that would warrant a mute yet. Aside from the Bot thinking I'm swearing and telling me to watch my language, that is.

However, I shall trust you and assume that you indeed do not receive any warnings for when you've done something wrong, in that case, I also do think that a Bot telling you which crime you may have committed would be quite appropriate. Or just I dunno, the GM giving you a short rundown on what you've done for when you do get that little tap on the finger.

Overall, I think it was a fair piece of critique. Nothing is perfect, and whether one likes it or not, people voicing their opinions, good or bad, is in my opinion a good way to gauge any problems that might be present at large. While you do seem like a bit of a Wildcard at times, you do seem to really care about the Game and the Community, although your way of showing it tends to... fluctuate. So overall, kudos.

thesuper850

i agree that Discord has become more "public" recently , however, the ranking system in it is kinda like a "fix" ofc it was Better when it was only invites but what can we do now?
Being Marshall or a major is not a special role, i mean no one has any power to do anything but the GMs or the MODs . it is all about "how trustworthy you are " and this can be gained not given, being nice, active (hilarious sometimes) and being an old discord member so that they know you well that they can upgrade your rank to major , captain or even Marshall. As marshalls we don't have anything powerful in our hands and regarding the voice channel, we used it once since it was created , no more no less so i don't really fond the ranks classifications a worthy thing to be a con.

Dextreme

I think the Discord concept is great, but personally, I am too old (48) to deal with immature chat of randomness and chaos...and being stuck in the "prove-your-worth" for weeks, there's not a lot of value in it for me yet. I just want to play and have fun with mature people who truly respect the game.

kuts001

After you called everyone trash and being very disdainful to everyone, (out of nowhere, I was there) I didn't even consider reading your lap of text.

EDIT: okay I read some of it.
About the warning part: here you go



These were directed towards you.

AlwaysSnipin

kuts001 wrote: »

After you called everyone trash and being very disdainful to everyone, (out of nowhere, I was there) I didn't even consider reading your lap of text.

EDIT: okay I read some of it.
About the warning part: here you go



These were directed towards you.

Thanks for showing me something I was there to see? Why you have those screenshots? I don't know.

If you know me well enough you would know I have always been on my "last chance" it's like the damn Fast and Furious series with them saying it's the "last" film. I've done worse but you know what I will stop here since I didn't make this thread to go full anti Crossfire Community.

lFrozenPizza

AlwaysSnipin wrote: »

Thanks for showing me something I was there to see? Why you have those screenshots? I don't know.

you acted like the GMs never warned you and kicked you out of the blue, he posted sses that showed otherwise. y u mad?

AlwaysSnipin

lFrozenPizza wrote: »

you acted like the GMs never warned you and kicked you out of the blue, he posted sses that showed otherwise. y u mad?

These warnings weren't direct to me, I have had warnings before that were just joking, Still didn't get am DM about the situation but more rather got nothing to even tell me I was kicked which left me hanging until I sent a ticket for further understanding, once again I DO NOT want this thread to be all about these warnings so I will just not answer to any more posts about this issue, if you really want to keep on going with this then you can DM on Discord about it.