How do you feel about the removal of the kick vote system?
For those 53.13% who hated the kick vote please tell us how do you feel now when you have nothing to do against speeders in ffa ?
How do you feel when a speeder keeps farming on you in EVERY free for all map?
There are speeders,wallers and people hide under the map and kill you while you can't even see them.
For the 968 players that voted "hate it" , i hope you are so happy now.
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There's no reason for this rage/cry thread. KVS is available in all modes except FFA, event modes and MM, but still people face difficulty with kicking hackers because some people still press F12.You forgot TEMPORARY. In some modes like FFA HMX MM ZM peoples used to kick the top player to become top NOT to kick hackers...
Free for all is the safe house for hackers be cause there is no kick vote system,didn't you notice ?
If the mangers/company/developers can't get rid of the hackers at least bring back the kick vote system so that we can get rid of them -
ComeAtMeFizz wrote: »Free for all is the safe house for hackers be cause there is no kick vote system,didn't you notice ?
If the mangers/company/developers can't get rid of the hackers at least bring back the kick vote system so that we can get rid of them
Narrow mindset. If you kick one, another will join the room. There are literally thousands of hackers out there. KVS is not the solution, Jesus is. -
ComeAtMeFizz wrote: »Free for all is the safe house for hackers be cause there is no kick vote system,didn't you notice ?
If the mangers/company/developers can't get rid of the hackers at least bring back the kick vote system so that we can get rid of them
Yes Sir i did! FFA is my main mode... but that doesnt change the fact that they do not kick hackers. They will randomly kick you just like in snd. Due to this high amount of hackers atm i don't play ffa, snd or any other infected mode. I'm back to ZM
still need some hundreds of games for the ribbon so it's actually a good time to go for^^
As an old Veteran player i can just say that, We will Survive this hard times as we always did!
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Narrow mindset. If you kick one, another will join the room. There are literally thousands of hackers out there. KVS is not the solution, Jesus is.
I got a good LOL from that Jesus part. lmao
but seriously
even before the kick vote was removed modes like Mutations, FFA, and the what not were ALWAYS the go to places for hackers. Re-adding it to those modes might give us a TINY bit of help in fighting back against the hackers there. But honestly...it won't help because as Pooyan said...you kick one another will just show up. And like others have already stated nabs will begin to abuse the kick vote again and f11 on anyone with a higher score than them in FFA or anyone that has a lower ping or anyone that they feel is 'taking too long' in Mutations or killed them in mutations.
The answer isn't re-establishing the kick vote where it's dis-abled. the answer involves quite a few things...but it probably starts with an anti-hack that actually works and is managed well enough to stay at least RELATIVELY up-to-date on current hacks out there so that you only run into a few hackers every now and then and they're all using the same hack because previous ones get blocked. So instead of having a speeding, flying, aim.bot. you might just have a flying person. Which is still annoying. but at least able to be dealt with.
Then increasing random patrols by GMs/Support. Maybe putting an age restriction on the rookie server so your account has to be X days old before it can play in any server outside of the rookie server. (this could hurt new incoming players BUT it would limit the new hacker accounts into one server thus allowing GMs to focus on that server and weed out the hackers before they hit the main populace.)
Oh and getting a Dev to actually play our version of the game a few times a week for no less than 1-2 hours across all modes, to see just how bad the hacking situation has actually gotten so that the Devs become FULLY aware of it and thus maybe a bit more determined to work towards a better 'fix' on their end instead of just slowly working about their days on what the GMs tell them is going on.
I'll also state I'm in a bit of agreement with the suggestion of the older your account the more weight it has on kick votes. MOST hackers don't have older accounts unless they've hijacked them from idiots willing to give out their ID and PW at the thought of 'free zbs!' and most players who can correctly identify hackers and initiate that kick vote generally are older players. Can it and will it get abused from time to time. Probably. But no more than the current kick vote system and more likely to be effective on kicking hackers instead of a bunch of nabs who don't even vote and thus it gets an auto-f12 and the hacker doesn't get kicked. -
Either way kick vote system or not with it being abused, you have a better chance of getting kicked for not dropping a vip, getting multi, or simply just being first. Almost every HMX game in the past that had cheaters, when it ends the hosts never bother kicking and just start... kvs was abused before it got removed in some modes, what makes you think they going to change?
If they don't get what they want, you getting kicked simple as that. -
fist of all : Welcome Back, ComeAtMeFizz
some month ago , before this hackwave i really really like that the kikvote in certain modes is disabled.
i mean in a public hmx the kids start 1 kikvote after another (someone got mutated, what is the sense of this mode - kikvote / do not drop weapon - kikvote / block a player - kikvote / highscore - kikvote... and so on)
also in zombie mode the KVS was daily abused....
now since z8 cannot beat the hackwave i think we should get it temporary back in any mode. if this would help with this idiot community who save hackers with the F12 button
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I like how the KVS is now, actually. It deserves to stay in team based modes (minus ZM). Hell, it seems the general community outside of the forums don't mind hackers, as they usually refuse to F11 them.
I've been kicked from multiple FFA or MM (and its variants) just for being good or near the top of the list. Despite the wave of hackers, people will still kick vote non*********, so I'd rather keep the KVS system the way it is. -
I was about to write the same thing.oSasuke*** wrote: »Those 53% didn't hate the kvs, they hated the fact it got temporary removed, so in other words they liked having kvs and those that chose loved it... didn't like having kvs.
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You destroyed your own thread. Next time, you should read the information properly before making a thread over it.
Lastly, Removal of KVS was good when there were few to no hackers. -
Lastly, Removal of KVS was good when there were few to no hackers.
I agree. During the time of limited cheaters, people like to kick other people for dumb reasons.
I feel as back then when KVS was still there, there were a lot more players.
I still wouldn't want KVS back unless they handle the issue of kick abuse.
I don't trust CF's community to do the right thing. Giving the game the KVS again feels like a bad idea.
Some kid even gotten bold as to kick GM Odeeb from a game before. The reason, I don't know, but they probably thought it be cute or funny to kick a GM from a game.
Odeeb wasn't even on a undercover account. He was on his official GM account and that dumb kid did it anyway.
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KVS makes people go on a power trip to harass and threaten other players -
too bad he is deadKVS is not the solution, Jesus is.I'll also state I'm in a bit of agreement with the suggestion of the older your account the more weight it has on kick votes. MOST hackers don't have older accounts unless they've hijacked them from idiots willing to give out their ID and PW at the thought of 'free zbs!' and most players who can correctly identify hackers and initiate that kick vote generally are older players. Can it and will it get abused from time to time. Probably. But no more than the current kick vote system and more likely to be effective on kicking hackers instead of a bunch of nabs who don't even vote and thus it gets an auto-f12 and the hacker doesn't get kicked.
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Yeah, we can't trust community as they don't even bother to kick obvious hacker/s in their team just for the win. Most of them find it funny to kick ace or pros. They should improve their anti cheat or replace it with some other decent anti cheatNinjaTeabag wrote: »I agree. During the time of limited cheaters, people like to kick other people for dumb reasons.
I feel as back then when KVS was still there, there were a lot more players.
I still wouldn't want KVS back unless they handle the issue of kick abuse.
I don't trust CF's community to do the right thing. Giving the game the KVS again feels like a bad idea.
Some kid even gotten bold as to kick GM Odeeb from a game before. The reason, I don't know, but they probably thought it be cute or funny to kick a GM from a game.
Odeeb wasn't even on a undercover account. He was on his official GM account and that dumb kid did it anyway.
tl;dr
KVS makes people go on a power trip to harass and threaten other players
I never knew that some of them even tried to kick GM Odeeb (._.) -
Obviously you are all right, the solution to this hackwave isn't KVS, but an actual working anti-cheat system.
Even though we all now this, having my hands tied behind my back is not a nice feeling, so bringing KVS at this moment would be a somewhat better-than-nothing way to fight off this knifer-speeders on FFA and HMX.
I was also planning to make a thread about this same topic but since it's already here I'll say what I trully believe on this current situation:
I'd rather having SOME people getting unfairly kicked out of rooms than having hackers abusing ALL OTHER PLAYERS for 12 minutes on a FFA match with no way around it. Period. -
Obviously you are all right, the solution to this hackwave isn't KVS, but an actual working anti-cheat system.
Even though we all now this, having my hands tied behind my back is not a nice feeling, so bringing KVS at this moment would be a somewhat better-than-nothing way to fight off this knifer-speeders on FFA and HMX.
I was also planning to make a thread about this same topic but since it's already here I'll say what I trully believe on this current situation:
I'd rather having SOME people getting unfairly kicked out of rooms than having hackers abusing ALL OTHER PLAYERS for 12 minutes on a FFA match with no way around it. Period.
I'd rather be able to at least complete a game, with a hacker or not, than being kicked in the last second from every other room I go in.
Oh wait, I don't care either way cause I haven't even played this game for a couple of days now. -
I'd rather be able to at least complete a game, with a hacker or not, than being kicked in the last second from every other room I go in.
Oh wait, I don't care either way cause I haven't even played this game for a couple of days now.
Well you can't complete a single game in free for all without being farmed by a smiley face ranked account ,oh wait you don't know because you don't play.We do care about the game btw. -
ComeAtMeFizz wrote: »Well you can't complete a single game in free for all without being farmed by a smiley face ranked account ,oh wait you don't know because you don't play.We do care about the game btw.
They only have to close a specific region to not let them create more accounts. Pretty sure 80% less hackers even in ranked match -
Yes Sir i did! FFA is my main mode... but that doesnt change the fact that they do not kick hackers. They will randomly kick you just like in snd. Due to this high amount of hackers atm i don't play ffa, snd or any other infected mode. I'm back to ZM still need some hundreds of games for the ribbon so it's actually a good time to go for^^
As an old Veteran player i can just say that, We will Survive this hard times as we always did!
I'm going to have to go with you on this, time to grind zm ☺ -
Worst change to the game in recent time. If someone made a "How to make the game less fun 101" this would be step 1; not being able to kick hackers and people who purposely ruin the game. It makes events that require people to play modes that don't have the VKS absolutely miserable and now all that is happening is the hackers are gravitating toward the modes with no system in place to vote people kicked. How would anyone think this was a good idea? It renders entire modes unplayable.
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Hackers are annoying but VKS is not the solution:
1. Stupid players will always vote against kicking hackers
2. Stupid players will vote for kicking you
3. New hackers join; Those who are kicked out of room 1 will move to room 2 and those from room 2 will move to room 1 and so on
Ingame report and higher rank requirement would help a bit. False report should punnish the reporter, so devs dont get spammed all the time.
The best solution is still a good working auto detection...
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