A message to Z8 Games: You encourage hackers.

Pixel_Zed

when I first started playing crossfire, I enjoyed it. It was a fairly well-made FPS (Or so I had thought) and overall it seemed to be competent at what it did. No over-large health pools, kills were quick and clean, and the game wasn't reluctant to give you goodies for winning, for example in the little while I've played, I'd say I've been given over a months worth of free guns which are all fairly usable and arn't just gimicky toys. I like that.

And then I tried PVP. Overall it was pretty alright. People hardly communicate, but what can you expect when your server is dominated by people who are either unable to speak the language that the game is seemingly hard-coded to use, or are either too stuck up to talk to the "lowly" types.

But one thing ruined the experience cold turkey for me: Hackers.

The game is full of them, and they have no shame in blatantly showing it. The last game I was in a person named "VIPHACKS.COM" joined the room and wallbanged everyone inside from inside the GR base. And there, the second issue arose: You can't kick a hacker on the enemy team. This means that oftentimes, people will CALL IN a hacker to their team or invite them if they're known hackers to their side, so that if things start going poorly, they can't be kicked. And in a game where people are scumbags like crossfire, you can't expect the team who was suddenly LOSING to kick this one player who is giving them 30+ kills a second. They want that win because the hacker is giving it to them.

This means that If I were to go forward and buy a VIP gun, I am funding a game that encourages people to cheat. And that disgusts me. Crossfire has been around for years, and with prices like $150 for a single gun, they should be able to afford the ability to prevent hackers in this day and age using something worthwhile like the battleye system or any of the more modern anti-cheats set in place. However, because Z8 games refuses to actually protect it's loyal consumers by dealing with hackers and preventing the game from being over-run with them, I will not be buying the VIP guns as I had originally intended. My love of the game is stripped away every time a hacker comes into the room and the team who is sided with the hacker refuses to kick him because they want a free win, rather than actually working for it and being a player worth praising. These are oftentimes Brazillian players or "Ahmeds" (Based on the issues that ALWAYS arise when BR players are allowed into online games. It has been proven multiple times that by banning BR players from the online portions of games, the hacking rates go down, but I digress. Their culture is just one where being crude, cheating and stealing is alright and that oftentimes translates into online games as well, but again I digress.)

Long story short: in a game where hacking is encouraged like crossfire, I can't see myself supporting it. If the people who RUN THE GAME -ENCOURAGE- hackers instead of give players the means to remove them from the game (Or easily report them) then it's not worth the money. It literally is not worth the time and effort to play the game if hacking is going to be something you encounter in every single room, and I am ashamed of being around this community because of their unwillingness to have a fair game and remove hackers when one is clearly and visibly evident. I'm not saying that it's right to kick someone for being GOOD. I'm just saying it's an issue when people are allowing hackers to help them. It should be bannable to LET hackers help you. You're cheating by letting them cheat for you and not doing anything about it, so why should you be let off of the hook?

p4shka

You don't have freedom of word in this forum. They are deleting everything. Everything related to cheaters and egys.
Personally i can't enjoy the game because 90% of community is egys and turks. Maybe even 95%.
And they are cheating because they are able to create new accounts. Europeans don't cheat because if they will get banned - they will be unable to create new account.
I have some cheating reports from 2014 which still isn't reviewed , they have "Open" status.

iAnarchy

Believe it or not the hacking situation used to be a lot worse, but that's still no excuse for the amount of hackers that we have now; that still continue to breach the anti-cheat everyday. Honestly you've made some good points here and as a whole we do need a better anti-cheat and now that the game's population seems to be growing again its the perfect time. If it isn't handled quickly more people will just quit like they did before in 2011-13.

[The_Master

p4shka wrote: »

You don't have freedom of word in this forum. They are deleting everything. Everything related to cheaters and egys.
Personally i can't enjoy the game because 90% of community is egys and turks. Maybe even 95%.
And they are cheating because they are able to create new accounts. Europeans don't cheat because if they will get banned - they will be unable to create new account.
I havasAe some cheating reports from 2014 which still isn't reviewed , they have "Open" status.

U just racist brainless man so shut up plz

kaka1vs1kaka

Pixel_Zed wrote: »

when I first started playing crossfire, I enjoyed it. It was a fairly well-made FPS (Or so I had thought) and overall it seemed to be competent at what it did. No over-large health pools, kills were quick and clean, and the game wasn't reluctant to give you goodies for winning, for example in the little while I've played, I'd say I've been given over a months worth of free guns which are all fairly usable and arn't just gimicky toys. I like that.

And then I tried PVP. Overall it was pretty alright. People hardly communicate, but what can you expect when your server is dominated by people who are either unable to speak the language that the game is seemingly hard-coded to use, or are either too stuck up to talk to the "lowly" types.

But one thing ruined the experience cold turkey for me: Hackers.

The game is full of them, and they have no shame in blatantly showing it. The last game I was in a person named "VIPHACKS.COM" joined the room and wallbanged everyone inside from inside the GR base. And there, the second issue arose: You can't kick a hacker on the enemy team. This means that oftentimes, people will CALL IN a hacker to their team or invite them if they're known hackers to their side, so that if things start going poorly, they can't be kicked. And in a game where people are scumbags like crossfire, you can't expect the team who was suddenly LOSING to kick this one player who is giving them 30+ kills a second. They want that win because the hacker is giving it to them.

This means that If I were to go forward and buy a VIP gun, I am funding a game that encourages people to cheat. And that disgusts me. Crossfire has been around for years, and with prices like $150 for a single gun, they should be able to afford the ability to prevent hackers in this day and age using something worthwhile like the battleye system or any of the more modern anti-cheats set in place. However, because Z8 games refuses to actually protect it's loyal consumers by dealing with hackers and preventing the game from being over-run with them, I will not be buying the VIP guns as I had originally intended. My love of the game is stripped away every time a hacker comes into the room and the team who is sided with the hacker refuses to kick him because they want a free win, rather than actually working for it and being a player worth praising. These are oftentimes Brazillian players or "Ahmeds" (Based on the issues that ALWAYS arise when BR players are allowed into online games. It has been proven multiple times that by banning BR players from the online portions of games, the hacking rates go down, but I digress. Their culture is just one where being crude, cheating and stealing is alright and that oftentimes translates into online games as well, but again I digress.)

Long story short: in a game where hacking is encouraged like crossfire, I can't see myself supporting it. If the people who RUN THE GAME -ENCOURAGE- hackers instead of give players the means to remove them from the game (Or easily report them) then it's not worth the money. It literally is not worth the time and effort to play the game if hacking is going to be something you encounter in every single room, and I am ashamed of being around this community because of their unwillingness to have a fair game and remove hackers when one is clearly and visibly evident. I'm not saying that it's right to kick someone for being GOOD. I'm just saying it's an issue when people are allowing hackers to help them. It should be bannable to LET hackers help you. You're cheating by letting them cheat for you and not doing anything about it, so why should you be let off of the hook?

I had to read it all tho, don't you think they know that? what do you expect from a publisher who can't run this game anymore? lol
cheaters, long term servers and connection problems , many things they take ages to fix and it is back to even worse after a little while!
all what is gonna happen is a MOD replys : we are aware of that issue bal bla bla and nothing will happen after xD
I'd suggest you migrate to CF EU , i might do the same aswell, Gluck

p4shka wrote: »

You don't have freedom of word in this forum. They are deleting everything. Everything related to cheaters and egys.
Personally i can't enjoy the game because 90% of community is egys and turks. Maybe even 95%.
And they are cheating because they are able to create new accounts. Europeans don't cheat because if they will get banned - they will be unable to create new account.
I have some cheating reports from 2014 which still isn't reviewed , they have "Open" status.

most of Egyptian/Turkish players are kids using cheats made by American/European hackers ./.
and I don't get you really!! Pixel_zed blamed CF administration for allowing cheaters take over the servers and you are blaming the players! its not the players fault that the game owners don't secure their game properly.

RawThentic_

iAnarchy wrote: »

Believe it or not the hacking situation used to be a lot worse, but that's still no excuse for the amount of hackers that we have now; that still continue to breach the anti-cheat everyday. Honestly you've made some good points here and as a whole we do need a better anti-cheat and now that the game's population seems to be growing again its the perfect time. If it isn't handled quickly more people will just quit like they did before in 2011-13.

Yeah + the lagg is crazy out there in uk servers The REG for some is diabolical as well

[The_Master wrote: »

U just racist brainless man so shut up plz

Whats wrong with being racist?..and what can you do about it ? lol nothing...we don't like EGY/TR flooding our servers.if this makes me a racist then so be it.....GET REKT EGY
It will be interesting if Moe Said in another thread someone asked for a w/e server ? i said this will never happend and besides where would they put such server in a cafe somewhere as a joke, the prude deleted it then replied , they will consider it come on you lier it wont happen its like you getting away with nade farming ... Moe you willl end up like Fizzeq pushed out of the forums your not so clever sod

MrVu1

SGW doesn't encourage hacking. Otherwise there wouldn't be a report system or an anti-cheat (which doesn't seem very on point right now, but as players who've been here for several years know, hackers come in waves and once we get an anti cheat update the game will be clean again for a while) or even a kick-vote. (Note that Z8 Gmes is only the name of the portal, therefore talking about Z8 games or talking to Z8 Games is pretty pointless, but I get what you mean).

Pixel_Zed wrote: »

The game is full of them, and they have no shame in blatantly showing it. The last game I was in a person named "VIPHACKS.COM" joined the room and wallbanged everyone inside from inside the GR base. And there, the second issue arose: You can't kick a hacker on the enemy team. This means that oftentimes, people will CALL IN a hacker to their team or invite them if they're known hackers to their side, so that if things start going poorly, they can't be kicked. And in a game where people are scumbags like crossfire, you can't expect the team who was suddenly LOSING to kick this one player who is giving them 30+ kills a second. They want that win because the hacker is giving it to them.

That's kinda flawed logic, since outside of events, "wins" don't give you much, especially if you didn't get any kills or had any contribution, the EXP/GP you get is lower. The win/loss is such a minor difference it shouldn't even be relevant. Now I know that most players don't know about that, but I hope players would rather actually play than let someone do everything while they spend their time sc****** their toenails.

However, because Z8 games refuses to actually protect it's loyal consumers by dealing with hackers and preventing the game from being over-run with them, I will not be buying the VIP guns as I had originally intended.g.

That's completely false. You don't realize the amount of hacks that are made for F2P FPS games. Hackers come in waves, it's always been like this and it takes time to get the necessary updates to stop the waves. Contrary to common belief, SGW doesn't have a "stop hackers now" key on their keyboard. And as always, the situation will be back under control in a while.

These are oftentimes Brazillian players or "Ahmeds" (Based on the issues that ALWAYS arise when BR players are allowed into online games. It has been proven multiple times that by banning BR players from the online portions of games, the hacking rates go down, but I digress. Their culture is just one where being crude, cheating and stealing is alright and that oftentimes translates into online games as well, but again I digress.)

That segment is in total opposition of a rule you agreed to follow by posting on this forum (Do not make any posts supporting sexism, racism or hatred and discrimination towards a race, country, religion or organization.).
Racism will not be tolerated jut because you're upset over the hacking situation and trying to find scapegoats/someone to blame (which is what you're doing in this thread, by blaming SGW, Brazillians and whichever community "Ahmeds" refers to.

Long story short: in a game where hacking is encouraged like crossfire, I can't see myself supporting it. If the people who RUN THE GAME -ENCOURAGE- hackers instead of give players the means to remove them from the game (Or easily report them) then it's not worth the money.

Reporting is actually very easy, replays are also very light and don't take long to upload at all. I don't see what you mean by "giving players the means to remove them from the game". It sounds like you want full powers of banning, kicking on sight and basically want everyone to be a GM. Then again, SGW doesn't encourage hacking. They don't give out free VIPs if you manage to get a 3400 KD or anything like this. The only thing coming for hackers is a ban. Sometimes it takes a while, and you have to believe that for the people working at SGW, it will always take too long, as their only goal is to keep this game as enjoyable as possible (Bear with me, there are financial reasons behind this, but keeping the game enjoyable is the best path in this case too).

It literally is not worth the time and effort to play the game if hacking is going to be something you encounter in every single room, and I am ashamed of being around this community because of their unwillingness to have a fair game and remove hackers when one is clearly and visibly evident. I'm not saying that it's right to kick someone for being GOOD. I'm just saying it's an issue when people are allowing hackers to help them. It should be bannable to LET hackers help you. You're cheating by letting them cheat for you and not doing anything about it, so why should you be let off of the hook?

Voting is anonymous, banning everyone in a room because a kick vote has failed is frighteningly close to a dictator's "purge" of his own ranks. How do you see the difference between a player who pressed F11 and one who didn't?
Letting people from the other team is gong to start giving other problems, bike people kicking the only player who carries the opposite team.

You state that players can't be trusted because they keep hackers in their teams, but also say that we should trust that they won't kick good players that aren't hackers from the opposite team.

Several months ago, people complained again and again about the voting system, and there's been an experiment where kick-vote was disabled for 2 patches. Now that it's back, some players think that although during a hacking wave, it's useful, it should be disabled again, yet you (and some others) think that the kick-vote should be extended to players being able to start votes on the other team.

My point here is that you have to start understanding other player's point of view, as well as the people working at SGW. The situation isn't as simple as you might think it is, and having the forum spammed with thread claiming they're not doing anything about it or worse : that they're encouraging the current situation while they're trying to resolve everything is a low blow to the motivation. I would like to think a bigger proportion of this community is thankful for the work they put in, instead of just downright salty whenever things aren't running smoothly. But all I ever see in this forum is complaints, temper tantrums and calumny (which your thread is).

You're too narrow-sighted to even see the issues with what you're writing as "solutions" and the incoherence of your "accusations", so you'll probably get everything I wrote wrong and consider it a savage mod attacking you because he wants to look good in front of GMs. If that's what you think, I don't care, I wrote what I wanted to write, tried reasoning with you an the whole community, although this long-ass post will be overlooked by most.

TL;DR : Closed.