Kick voting system
[GM]Effects wrote: »Kick Vote System
- A Limit of 2 kicks per game will be added
- A limit of 1 kick per round is applied to round based team modes
- Players who initiate the kick vote will have their in-game name and team displayed on the kick vote window
- Non team based game modes will continue to have kick vote disabled
[size=+2] So those are the changes in the Kick voting system, Then why in S&D it seems not to be limited to 2 votes as well? I've seen people who keeps kicking twice and then rejoins and gets another 2 kick votings?, Where's the change in that if i might ask?, It's pretty much the exact same old KVS ?
I'd say that the previous first 3 lines are not true, I mean what kind of a name which gets displayed? you still can't see who initiated the kick voting.
Funny thing is nobody has even mentioned this and i'm sure most of you have already seen it, But suddenly most of the people turned a blind eye lol.
[/size]
Comments
-
New kick vote system is the same as the old one. The only thing that changed is: You can't kick in mutation, zombie and ffa modes. It makes me sad how people still abuse kick vote system in SnD. I got kicked this morning for having 22/2 while trying new weapon AN94. As if it is my fault that weap is good..
-
yea i noticed it and stated that the mentioned 'changes' read as if they weren't changes at all except that last one in the patch notes for when it came back.
meanwhile...they did add in the 'team' aka ally/enemy and also added in the player's score who's being kicked. Which to me SHOULD NOT have happened because most of the kick abuse nabs only judge by score anyways so to place it in front of them with the person being kicked is just "oh yea he too good f11!" but hey...such is life in CF. I'm just glad they kept it out of the non-team based modes which is where I experienced the most abuse from KVS. -
It's pretty much the same as before, except it shows the scores and team of the player kicking, and the player getting kicked. There REALLY needs to be some kind of punishment for abusing the kick vote, but I can't see a reasonable way of being able to tell if it's truly abuse.
I'm pretty salty, got kicked out of 2/3 games I tried to play yesterday just for being top of the scoreboard >.> -
The limit of 2 votes per person should still be in effect. If it isn't for some reason, can you please double check that, and then send us a ticket? If people are abusing some sort of exploit where you can leave, come back, and vote again, this would make me sad. And sad backwards spells das. And das not good.
-
[GM]Kanadian wrote: »The limit of 2 votes per person should still be in effect. If it isn't for some reason, can you please double check that, and then send us a ticket? If people are abusing some sort of exploit where you can leave, come back, and vote again, this would make me sad. And sad backwards spells das. And das not good.
[size=+2] It's an exploit and nearly everyone is abusing it and it has been there long before disabling the KVS.
Sometimes i even get kicked for not replying to randoms talking to me lol.
I'll send a ticket about it, But also I'd like to mention if i'm allowed, Bringing back the kick voting system in " this community " wasn't the wisest choice in my opinion, Since the number of abusers is relatively higher than the number of the hackers/cheaters, Recently I've seen some of the hackers which got banned so it means the hacking reports are actually effective and they're decreasing in numbers. But if you look at it from the other way many low ranked people gets kicked for no reason at all by the abusers, With time they'll get bored and may quit because they can't do anything about it, Don't need to mention others who already got bored and quit. Also not everyone has friends to back him up while playing, Some people prefer to play alone and they can get kicked for no reason, Like if you don't drop your weapons or something.
Thank you for your attention and i hope you'll do what's wisest for the good of the game regarding what others may think ( Sometimes improvising in taking decisions ends up with a much better outcomes ). That's just my perspective after all if it helps. I know satisfying both sides is always hard but i'm sure you'll find a permanent solution to this issue.[/size] -
+1 But hey what about the hacks in RM. did they get any punishment ? i think not. The way support conduct this is diabolical all they need is a 3rd party software to view the replays with the hack already on. After all if the GM can play in god mode this should be pretty easy like 1,2,3 A,B,C ect ect. Also if a particular region got blocked there would be less kicks just saying.master_mann wrote: »It's pretty much the same as before, except it shows the scores and team of the player kicking, and the player getting kicked. There REALLY needs to be some kind of punishment for abusing the kick vote, but I can't see a reasonable way of being able to tell if it's truly abuse.I'm pretty salty, got kicked out of 2/3 games I tried to play yesterday just for being top of the scoreboard >.> -
Neither re-joining nor reclogging does give back your votes after vote kicking twice in the same game.[MOD]Andrew wrote: »Leaving to get your kicks back has always been a thing.. That would be fantastic to patch.
The only thing that is either rephrased in a wrong way or is not functioning properly is "A Limit of 2 kicks per game will be added". It is stated in the patch note but I am pretty sure more than 2 people can be kicked per game. -
[MOD]Andrew wrote: »Leaving to get your kicks back has always been a thing.. That would be fantastic to patch.
Definitely
A great idea would to limit each player with a certain number of kicks allowed per day, which reset at Midnight server time. So possibly, each player has a total of 10 vote kicks every 24 hours. Maybe less if people think 10 kicks will still be abused.
That wouldn't change the 2 per game limit though.
10 Vote Kicks per day.
2 Vote Kicks per game.
Rejoining the same room wouldn't grant you more vote kicks for that game.
I just don't know if it's possible to be implemented into the game so easily. -
-
[GM]Kanadian wrote: »The limit of 2 votes per person should still be in effect. If it isn't for some reason, can you please double check that, and then send us a ticket? If people are abusing some sort of exploit where you can leave, come back, and vote again, this would make me sad. And sad backwards spells das. And das not good.[MOD]Andrew wrote: »Leaving to get your kicks back has always been a thing.. That would be fantastic to patch.
This still happens. Players leave the game to get their kick votes back and it has happened to me and my friends. However, this is possible to patch since it has been patched in another version so I don't see why we can't get the same thing. -
This still happens. Players leave the game to get their kick votes back and it has happened to me and my friends. However, this is possible to patch since it has been patched in another version so I don't see why we can't get the same thing.
[size=+2]Totally agree!, Also the the appearance of the initiator of the vote should appear to everyone even the one getting kicked, Also those limits should be applied and working correctly. [/size] -
LancerAk47AR wrote: »[size=+2]Totally agree!, Also the the appearance of the initiator of the vote should appear to everyone even the one getting kicked, Also those limits should be applied and working correctly. [/size]
+1, Would like to know I am being kicked before seeing "You have been kicked" Instead of pressing Esc when you see F11, not always people say F11 or F12, Just kicked without warning. As well as that to actually have Max of 2 kick limit per room regardless if you rejoin or log off and log back on. Those additional feature would actually be positive changes made that will be noticed. -
claire9822 wrote: »Definitely
A great idea would to limit each player with a certain number of kicks allowed per day, which reset at Midnight server time. So possibly, each player has a total of 10 vote kicks every 24 hours. Maybe less if people think 10 kicks will still be abused.
That wouldn't change the 2 per game limit though.
10 Vote Kicks per day.
2 Vote Kicks per game.
Rejoining the same room wouldn't grant you more vote kicks for that game.
I just don't know if it's possible to be implemented into the game so easily.
Sounds good, but adding to that, what about having a number of kicks based on your rank? Lower ranked people tend to kick the good players more than higher ranked, so maybe that's a good way to teach them not to abuse it, by limiting them. -
master_mann wrote: »Sounds good, but adding to that, what about having a number of kicks based on your rank? Lower ranked people tend to kick the good players more than higher ranked, so maybe that's a good way to teach them not to abuse it, by limiting them.
I'll have to disagree. High ranks today aren't like before. First, it's easier to level up, you can meet inexperienced Colonal players running around in SnD having no idea what are they doing. Second I've had issues with high ranks changing teams and rejoining 5 times just to kick me. So I don't think KVS should depend on rank. -
I'll have to disagree. High ranks today aren't like before. First, it's easier to level up, you can meet inexperienced Colonal players running around in SnD having no idea what are they doing. Second I've had issues with high ranks changing teams and rejoining 5 times just to kick me. So I don't think KVS should depend on rank.
This.
Ranks mean nothing in crossfire now. Earlier they were meant to be obtainable only after years of dedication and commitment and hence showed real value to others who looked upon high ranked players and knew that they must have skills. But now no rank as any value in this game other than showing how many vips that player with high rank has or how many hours he has wasted farming for something that has no real importance. As far as I remember, even the first farmers had to farm many years continuously to achieve the marshal rank because there were no vips and exp+ items available to use, so even they had to go through a lot of struggle to reach those ranks.
And from my experience I can guarantee that High ranked players are as bad or even worse than low ranked players when it comes to friendliness and good behavior to others, and that includes initiating kicks for no reasons. -
I'll have to disagree. High ranks today aren't like before. First, it's easier to level up, you can meet inexperienced Colonal players running around in SnD having no idea what are they doing. Second I've had issues with high ranks changing teams and rejoining 5 times just to kick me. So I don't think KVS should depend on rank.
I've had problems with that too, though most of the time it's some random low rank kicking me... But then again I don't play S&D as much so that's probably why we've had different experiences.
Maybe if it was possible to count what percentage of someones kick votes were kicking the ACE it could help find the abusers?
I'm just tired of getting kicked every game so I'm trying to look for potential solutions. -
On the subject of kick votes, it'd be nice if:
1) When you're getting kicked, it shows up for you as well, not just everyone else.
2) You get to keep your kills and deaths acquired during the game you got kicked from
While I certainly agree with #1, I disagree with #2. Mainly because hackers don't always get banned even when reported. I'd like to think they'd experience at least SOME kind of negative aspect when getting kicked so that they can't just stroll into room after room killing masses of players and disrupting normal game play and then walk away with great KDR meanwhile the people that rage and leave the room suffer penalties.
That being said I really like claire's suggestion of:claire wrote:10 Vote Kicks per day.
2 Vote Kicks per game.
Rejoining the same room wouldn't grant you more vote kicks for that game.
I think a limited amount of kicks per day and several of the abusers would run dry early on. Won't stop all of the abuse mind you...but it might limit it and also make some people think twice before initiating a kick and consider if they want to waste one of their kick votes for the day. Maybe do 8 kicks per day for normal players and 10 votes for people who own VIP or something like that, but I agree concerning rank that rank doesn't mean anything anymore thanks to massive farming, so assigning extra votes to rank is a silly idea.
Honestly, it is disappointing that the only things changed with the KVS where it was brought back is that it displays Ally/Enemy and the person's KDR. Like these things only incentivize others to play along with the abusers. "Oh that player has high score! must hack!" or "Oh that player on other team f11!" I mean not like they couldn't check that to begin with so no need to place it to be so visible. -
Hello everyone.
Please note that the limit of 2 kicks per game is based per user, not total kicks of all users, per game.
If a user users their 2 kicks their kick vote will be disabled and replaced with a "Limited Vote" button which will persist after re-joining.
However, if there is a special trick to abusing the re-join system to gain a kick votes please let us know with as much detail as possible, please include the Map, Mode and specific steps needed to re-enable your kick vote.
Thank you. -
[GM]Effects wrote: »Hello everyone.
Please note that the limit of 2 kicks per game is based per user, not total kicks of all users, per game.
If a user users their 2 kicks their kick vote will be disabled and replaced with a "Limited Vote" button which will persist after re-joining.
However, if there is a special trick to abusing the re-join system to gain a kick votes please let us know with as much detail as possible, please include the Map, Mode and specific steps needed to re-enable your kick vote.
Thank you.
It is mentioned in thread already. After kicking twice and failing people use to rejoin game and attempt kicking again and again until they succeed. And I'm pretty sure that's abusing.
![[GM]Kanadian](https://z8games.akamaized.net/cfna/forum/customavatars/61/navatar_22385461.gif){kind=avatar}
![]G[hostt](https://w4.vanillicon.com/v2/40571799cb9fff0c71ab04635900e4c2.svg)
![[GM]Effects](https://z8games.akamaized.net/cfna/forum/customavatars/42/navatar_22971742.gif){kind=avatar}
Categories
- All Categories
- Z8Games
- 1 Z8 Forum Discussion & Suggestions
- 15 Z8Games Announcements
- Rules & Conduct
- 2.5K CrossFire
- 715 CrossFire Announcements
- 714 Previous Announcements
- 2 Previous Patch Notes
- 323 Community
- 12 Modes
- 393 Suggestions
- 16 Clan Discussion and Recruitment
- 73 CF Competitive Forum
- 1 CFCL
- 16 Looking for a Team?
- 524 CrossFire Support
- 7 Suggestion
- 15 CrossFire Guides
- 37 CrossFire Off Topic