Ghostmode Discussion
Hi guys,
I wanted to discuss some Definition and other stuff which is related to the Ghost mode. Just had some discussion in the last days and i think i want to hear other minds about this.
Whats spray in ghost mode and where is the point when it changes just to random shoots ?
If a guy who uses Sound, starts to spray to get a kill and get a good k/d with it. Is it acceptable/honorable?
Does Rank, K/Dr, matters for you?
What kind of bunny hop exists. Do you just split it up into front and back hop?
What do you think about people who play for the win and even kick good people just because they don't have the best day in a scrim?
Do you think there appear enough new people in ghost mode the last years?
What do you think about the ghost mode community at the moment?
What do you think about the macro abusing nowadays.
Do you think there are to many 2nd account users who uses such account to spread toxic.
I wanted to discuss some Definition and other stuff which is related to the Ghost mode. Just had some discussion in the last days and i think i want to hear other minds about this.
Whats spray in ghost mode and where is the point when it changes just to random shoots ?
If a guy who uses Sound, starts to spray to get a kill and get a good k/d with it. Is it acceptable/honorable?
Does Rank, K/Dr, matters for you?
What kind of bunny hop exists. Do you just split it up into front and back hop?
What do you think about people who play for the win and even kick good people just because they don't have the best day in a scrim?
Do you think there appear enough new people in ghost mode the last years?
What do you think about the ghost mode community at the moment?
What do you think about the macro abusing nowadays.
Do you think there are to many 2nd account users who uses such account to spread toxic.
Comments
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http://forum.z8games.com/forumdisplay.php?103-Ghost-Mode
Spray = Shooting everywhere in places that ghosts aren't at. The point where it changes to random shots is when you don't hold your shooting button.
In my terms, it is acceptable but it is not honorable.
Rank doesn't matter to me, but it seems to matter for other people. Whenever I play on my alts I get kicked because "I'm a hacker"
I bunnyhop with a different method that is much faster than back and forwards hopping. But let's just keep it at "bhop" and "f-hop"
I hate people who kick for no real reason. It is childish.
There are not many new people who play GM, unless it is for the daily mission, sadly. Those are the days when people always accuse you of hacking if you know how to play.
There hasn't been an increase in the GM community of the NA servers. Usually there are only 0-3 GM rooms in NA1 nowadays. But that depends on the day of the week.
Macro abuse is not okay (consistent ramp hops and full speed all the time). Using macros in my book is okay if you physically cannot do something. (broken space bar, but if you change controls it will be a different path). But you should know the policy.
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Whats spray in ghost mode and where is the point when it changes just to random shoots ? Yes
If a guy who uses Sound, starts to spray to get a kill and get a good k/d with it. Is it acceptable/honorable?Sounders usually try not to spray, but usually they have a good reason
Does Rank, K/Dr, matters for you? Of course it does
What kind of bunny hop exists. Do you just split it up into front and back hop? i do, it keeps me updated of who's in front of me and when i know it's clear i just do a backwards hop
What do you think about people who play for the win and even kick good people just because they don't have the best day in a scrim?they won't kick a good player for the win, this backfires on itself, unless you mean they want the Ace, then it's just poor sportsmanship.
Do you think there appear enough new people in ghost mode the last years? absolutely not
What do you think about the ghost mode community at the moment? Decent, needs more people to focus on their habits such as spraying and using loud weapons -
Wait did you answer yes to a explain question that like saying 4 + 4 is true anyway spraying is a term that Gmer uses when you hold down your firing button at wall for no real reason, random shooting is well random shooting sometimes GR players like me will random ly shoot at a spawn exit to see if we can get a hit or kill.
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helo .timschwahn90 wrote: »Hi guys,
I wanted to discuss some Definition and other stuff which is related to the Ghost mode. Just had some discussion in the last days and i think i want to hear other minds about this.
Whats spray in ghost mode and where is the point when it changes just to random shoots ?
when you empty a full clip right away into the direction you hear breath
If a guy who uses Sound, starts to spray to get a kill and get a good k/d with it. Is it acceptable/honorable?
depends, playing in a pug/tourney I'd say it's smart if you're doing whatever it takes to get the important frags. so it's effective but doesn't make you a good "pinpointer".
Does Rank, K/Dr, matters for you?
No
What kind of bunny hop exists. Do you just split it up into front and back hop?
Yes. people talk about different "generations" but I call bs
What do you think about people who play for the win and even kick good people just because they don't have the best day in a scrim?
People who take this game too seriously and need a life
Do you think there appear enough new people in ghost mode the last years?
No
What do you think about the ghost mode community at the moment?
seems dead
What do you think about the macro abusing nowadays.
promotes lack of true skill
Do you think there are to many 2nd account users who uses such account to spread toxic.
wouldn't know -
Why make this here, when their is specific area for Ghost mode threads where all the GM players are!!
http://forum.z8games.com/forumdisplay.php?103-Ghost-Mode
Ghost discussions should be made there, more organized and easy for GM players to see, Should be moved to the GM section by MOD -
heytimschwahn90 wrote: »Hi guys,
I wanted to discuss some Definition and other stuff which is related to the Ghost mode. Just had some discussion in the last days and i think i want to hear other minds about this.
Is when you empty your whole magazine just for nothing.Whats spray in ghost mode and where is the point when it changes just to random shoots ?
If you have silenced weapon is ok, but MG and AK47 without silencer are totally annoying.
It depends i think, some guys lag hard so you have to spray sometimes i thinkIf a guy who uses Sound, starts to spray to get a kill and get a good k/d with it. Is it acceptable/honorable?
Does Rank, K/Dr, matters for you?
For me always in every mode that kills deaths affect my profile.
In GM i used to kick only players who join with RPK, MG3, AK47 and such weapons.What do you think about people who play for the win and even kick good people just because they don't have the best day in a scrim?
Is illegal i think.What do you think about the macro abusing nowadays.
Totally yes ! Especially at events and when there is daily mission on GM.Do you think there are to many 2nd account users who uses such account to spread toxic. -
spray is shooting in all every where some times with mg to get a kill and its not illegal but it's annoying , rank doesn't matter for some players and it matters for another players , bhop , i don't like those players who kick another player for no reason , and i don't think that there are a lot of new people in ghost mode this day i'am not sure
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timschwahn90 wrote: »Hi guys,
I wanted to discuss some Definition and other stuff which is related to the Ghost mode. Just had some discussion in the last days and i think i want to hear other minds about this.
Whats spray in ghost mode and where is the point when it changes just to random shoots ?
If a guy who uses Sound, starts to spray to get a kill and get a good k/d with it. Is it acceptable/honorable?
Does Rank, K/Dr, matters for you?
What kind of bunny hop exists. Do you just split it up into front and back hop?
What do you think about people who play for the win and even kick good people just because they don't have the best day in a scrim?
Do you think there appear enough new people in ghost mode the last years?
What do you think about the ghost mode community at the moment?
What do you think about the macro abusing nowadays.
Do you think there are to many 2nd account users who uses such account to spread toxic.
I'll go down the list I guess...
1. Spray is pretty much shooting at random spots in an attempt to hit a ghost through luck or hoping they'll run into it.
2. A kill is a kill, as long as they are effectively doing it, spray is fine.
3. Personally I couldn't care less if you are a trainee with a 0.12 k/d ratio, if you are interested in the game mode, I welcome you.
4. The tryharding BL's (myself included) can categorize bhops into several different types. But the majority of the community just focuses on forward and backward bhops.
5. I think it is fine if you are playing to win (it is a game with victory as the goal after all), but if they are getting moody because a player isn't playing up to par, they can screw themselves.
6. There has been enough new people coming into the mode lately, unfortunately there are also a lot of good people leaving as well.
7. The ghost mode community in its current state is way too toxic... subpar players have over inflated egos and the amount of drama is pathetic.
8. I'm not too sure about the amount of macro abusing going on right now, but it is there, and those who use macro's obviously need a little handycap to not get forced out of the game.
9. Too many toxic alts for sure. -
Remember the Ghost Mode event to do 1K kills and 1K minutes? Yeah, MG's from left to right...Ghost Mode is unique mode i hope z8 would put more time to it, Like an event to encourage other player.. and the GM community is getting smaller and smaller.. -
Moved to Ghost mode section, should keep some randies out of the thread.
I personally think "spray" is when you shoot in corners or places where Bls are pretty often, without knowing someone's there. Emptying your clip when you hear someone isn't spray for me, it's being garbage at the game. Random shooting is what it is, just having a seizure with your mouse and shooting anywhere.timschwahn90 wrote: »Hi guys,
I wanted to discuss some Definition and other stuff which is related to the Ghost mode. Just had some discussion in the last days and i think i want to hear other minds about this.
Whats spray in ghost mode and where is the point when it changes just to random shoots ?
I think he's making the right decision and going for the kill instead of the sick montage play. I actually think it's quite "honorable", because he doesn't think of the hate some players will give him and acknowledges the fact he needs to spray to get the job done.If a guy who uses Sound, starts to spray to get a kill and get a good k/d with it. Is it acceptable/honorable?
Lol no, never has, never will.Does Rank, K/Dr, matters for you?
The only bunny hops I know about are starting from the back and turning into a front hop (same with using small drops and ramps to go front directly) and using 3 movement keys to start front, which makes turning while hopping easier.What kind of bunny hop exists. Do you just split it up into front and back hop?
I try not to think about these people (even not to think at all some days, but that's not relevant).What do you think about people who play for the win and even kick good people just because they don't have the best day in a scrim?
I played about a dozen GM games this year, and I didn't see anything redeeming.Do you think there appear enough new people in ghost mode the last years?
It's pretty empty, and it's the main reason I'm done playing GM in competitive.What do you think about the ghost mode community at the moment?
It's one of the reasons I'm done with GM.What do you think about the macro abusing nowadays.
One's already too many.Do you think there are to many 2nd account users who uses such account to spread toxic. -
Hi guys,
I wanted to discuss some Definition and other stuff which is related to the Ghost mode. Just had some discussion in the last days and i think i want to hear other minds about this.
Whats spray in ghost mode and where is the point when it changes just to random shoots ?
tapping in spots where a ghost might be is perfectly fine. not spray. when youre bursting, thats when it becomes spraying. 1 tap or 2 taps in a hallway is just good gamesense because generally if youre paying attention to the map and where people die, you know where the ghosts are at halfway through the round. and as to emptying your clip when you hear breath, ofc thats spraying. how ez would gr be if i bought a vip and just sprayed until i found the kill? lol no i burst at the breath and then re-pinpoint and repeat. because im using aim and pinpoint. not luck with the spray pattern or an advantage i gained through ZP.
now to answer OP questions directly:
"If a guy who uses Sound, starts to spray to get a kill and get a good k/d with it. Is it acceptable/honorable?":
its acceptable but im gonna call you a sprayer like i do everyone else. its easier than playing off the modes mechanics.
"Does Rank, K/Dr, matters for you?":
nope. i only take those into account when considering someones legitimacy.
"What kind of bunny hop exists. Do you just split it up into front and back hop?":
i generalize it in my mind as 3 base forms and you can variate between them. front hop, back hop and running start hop.
"What do you think about people who play for the win and even kick good people just because they don't have the best day in a scrim?":
i dont know anyone who plays for the win and also kicks good people. so ill just say that people who tryhard are fine. some people want to play chill and not try very hard, others want a nice kd and to smash on people. different strokes.
"Do you think there appear enough new people in ghost mode the last years?":
obviously lol not very good questions im starting to realize whotf wrote this post? anyway yea couple new names come up but old ones fall off quicker so there are only few who consistently play
"What do you think about the ghost mode community at the moment?":
quiet. most are upset about the kick vote thing. seen a couple gmers using cheats blatantly in protest.
"What do you think about the macro abusing nowadays.":
if you admit to using it and dont use it in clan wars, im fine with it. I dont like when people lie about it and act like theyre good or when they use them in pugs, clan wars, or even tournaments (like how dumb you gotta be sivo?)
"Do you think there are to many 2nd account users who uses such account to spread toxic":
maybe a year ago. i dont see as much toxicity nowadays ;p -
tapping in spots where a ghost might be is perfectly fine. not spray. when youre bursting, thats when it becomes spraying. 1 tap or 2 taps in a hallway is just good gamesense because generally if youre paying attention to the map and where people die, you know where the ghosts are at halfway through the round..
Yeah, I didn't mean a couple of taps, I meant shooting 5 bullets per corners with no general idea of why aside from "oh, is there a ghost here? I don't know, let's shoot." Spraying is such a big part of the game I don't consider emptying clips like spraying anymore though, for me it's being pants on head, pencil in nose ******ed (game-wise, no offense to mentally challenged people in real life, sorry for comparing). -
timschwahn90 wrote: »Hi guys,
I wanted to discuss some Definition and other stuff which is related to the Ghost mode. Just had some discussion in the last days and i think i want to hear other minds about this.
Whats spray in ghost mode and where is the point when it changes just to random shoots ?
Usually random shoots are for far distance, so we can't spray. Otherwise the same.
If a guy who uses Sound, starts to spray to get a kill and get a good k/d with it. Is it acceptable/honorable?
Depends on what he uses to spray. If it's an AK or something have high recoil I doubt that he uses sound lol. No one care really, since most people spray anyway, regardless of good or not.
Does Rank, K/Dr, matters for you?
No. Sometimes I get high kd (40, 50, rarely 60), but other times I get really horrible ones (2-19, hhh). Depends on my purposes in playing each room. Mostly troll.
What kind of bunny hop exists. Do you just split it up into front and back hop?
I do spin hop (not sharp curved one). It's incredible to dodge pinpointers since it's unpredictable. The cons is that I cannot predict my direction either...
What do you think about people who play for the win and even kick good people just because they don't have the best day in a scrim?
Play for the win is fine. Kick people is fine. But because they have a bad day? Please.
Do you think there appear enough new people in ghost mode the last years?
I'm new hehehe.
What do you think about the ghost mode community at the moment?
Dying and toxic.
What do you think about the macro abusing nowadays.
What is macro?
Do you think there are to many 2nd account users who uses such account to spread toxic.
They spread it on their main no less. The toxic ones are always toxic, while the good ones won't do bad thing even on alts. -
Ukantach1301 wrote: »They spread it on their main no less. The toxic ones are always toxic, while the good ones won't do bad thing even on alts.
Not always, back in 2013 me and my clannie made an alt clan together and talked trash and 1v1'd all the GMers we could fine including our own clannies(they didn't know that the alts were us). On his main account he was a saint. He's still remembered as one of the chillest GMers to have played.
I don't really mind people "trolling" on alts as long as they're not cheating. -
Hello.timschwahn90 wrote: »Hi guys,
I wanted to discuss some Definition and other stuff which is related to the Ghost mode. Just had some discussion in the last days and i think i want to hear other minds about this.
Others answered this pretty clearly... Pretty much the same as their definitions.timschwahn90 wrote: »Whats spray in ghost mode and where is the point when it changes just to random shoots ?
I'd say yes, ever since the sound nerf, actual pinpointing is alot more difficult. All I ever see these days is like this...timschwahn90 wrote: »If a guy who uses Sound, starts to spray to get a kill and get a good k/d with it. Is it acceptable/honorable?
*hears ghost*
*shoots in general direction where sound was*
*gets kill*
Pretty much never see a solid pinpoint except for some of the OGs who still enjoy sniping in ghostmode (shoutout to my boy Nelson
)
I would like to say that while prefiring is hated on, it is totally acceptable. Having the game knowledge of what ghosts are going to do, and be able to prefire them is a skill in itself.
Rank, I guess so. Love the way corporal looks, but thats just aesthetics. Kdr, no. Got the AK Fury which allows me to troll like there's no tomorrow and not have to face the repercussions of lowering my kdr.timschwahn90 wrote: »Does Rank, K/Dr, matters for you?
Apart from forward/backward, there's the bunny hop which you can do off a ladder with insane control but that is literally never used. And a solid 50/50 mix between forward and backward. Forwards extremely useful to be able to see who you're aiming for and be able to prepare your right click before they'll ever hear you, and to also successfully ramp hop, backwards for some insane hopping across the map to outmaneuver players.timschwahn90 wrote: »What kind of bunny hop exists. Do you just split it up into front and back hop?
If its a scrim or a tourney, take it seriously by all means. As for a kicking a player because they're not doing well, that's just an ass move. But when people complain in a pub because someones not doing well, (probably me), then it gives me more the reason why I should troll. Really, makes me happy seeing kids complain and call others trash in a pub setting. Doubt they'll ever face the competition that i've had the privilege of facing. (when banned dropped a 20 bomb on metro in a tourney, holy hell) As much crap as they talk, they'll never know how good a player can really get in ghostmode.... OGs really took it above and beyond. Now its mostly just a fraction of that.timschwahn90 wrote: »What do you think about people who play for the win and even kick good people just because they don't have the best day in a scrim?
Probably not, most I can find nowadays is 2-3 ghostmode rooms. Can't compare to how it was before.timschwahn90 wrote: »Do you think there appear enough new people in ghost mode the last years?
Other than dead, there's not much else to think about.timschwahn90 wrote: »What do you think about the ghost mode community at the moment?
Seems like every day there's a new player who went from "zero to hero" in a matter of a month or two of playing, and it really begs the question of how many players are actually legit. Back in the day it was a few players known by everyone who macrod, but now there's a "bust" video showing up every day, and really its a laughable subject.. Wish z8 took some form of hard stance against it, but that'll never happen.timschwahn90 wrote: »What do you think about the macro abusing nowadays.
I can't hate on this because i've been a part of this way too much hahahahaha! Now I can't say we were specifically toxic, but it really comes down to losing enjoyment of the mode, and we resorted to making troll accounts/clans to basically **** off egomanics and have a hell of a lot of fun while we're at it. Trolling on alts+teamspeak is literally the best thing to do when you're bored to hell.timschwahn90 wrote: »Do you think there are to many 2nd account users who uses such account to spread toxic.
Hoping that someday maybe ghost mode would be revived. But for now, most moved on, and rightfully so. You can see where the games heading to based on the amount of free events/enticements players get these days. I remember back in the day, a free zp crate or bonus zp event was a rarity in itself, but that was when the player base was strong. Ever since the amount of players playing has decreased, the company's had to resort to throwing out free items and enticements to buy zp left right and center. And I don't blame them, they are a company, and they have to be profitable to keep their doors open, but its really ruined what was once an incredible game. Here's to hoping some day we can return close to what it was.
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is spraying honorable? no. not with silent guns anyway. if you're going to cheese the mode with talentless random map spray, there should be a negative consequence. if you spray with loud guns, at least it makes you and your teammates nearby vulnerable. ghost mode to me, should be about precision, art, skill. not about luck or who can hold left click the longest.
Does Rank, K/Dr, matters for you? rank: no. K/D: the problem with K/D in this game is that you can pretty much choose what k/d you want. there's so many ways to alter it. if you want a 20k/d you can just join weak rooms and dookie on the egy's with your best gear.
What kind of bunny hop exists. Do you just split it up into front and back hop? there's only 1. you can start it differently, you can add more inputs to it, but you're still just keeping momentum while mashing spacebar
What do you think about people who play for the win and even kick good people just because they don't have the best day in a scrim? i'm pretty unorthodox, if some one gets kicked from a pub, it's always their own fault, not the voters. if the vast majority of people don't want to play with you, then you should be out. you're ruining the game for others. and as far as not being able to kick anymore, i've already seen how it works in cfal. you let the hackers win. instead of taking 15 seconds to join another room after being kicked, people would rather come to the forums and complain. brilliant.
Do you think there appear enough new people in ghost mode the last years? not even close. not just ghost mode. the whole na server is coming to an end. (hello marketing team?)
What do you think about the ghost mode community at the moment? too small, broken english, too young, not much skill, too much pay2win
What do you think about the macro abusing nowadays. blame the game/xtrap for not being able to detect something as simple as a macro.
Do you think there are to many 2nd account users who uses such account to spread toxic. toxicity is easy to block/ignore. think of it this way, at least new accounts won't have VIPs. lol
don't mean to be negative, rough day.
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