Can someone please explain these to me?
Here's 2 things that i need an answer to, or just other opinions to satisfy not getting a good answer xD
1st thing being, how broken snipers in this game are. Now, iv'e played this game a nearly 8 years at this point, nearing that 8 year mark, and i must say, snipers have never been this awful. They don't even have to hit you to kill you.
Let me explain, You watch the tracer miss, and you die. You pan your camera to look at the wall behind you, and you see the bullet hole 10 feet to the right, the 1 shot the sniper fired, missed you, and miraculously killed you.
So what? did it bounce off of that wall to another to another and to another to finally come back and hit me miraculously?
The sniper only shot once, you only heard one shot, you saw the tracer miss, you see the bullet hole 10 feet from your body, but your dead. How the hell? This is a game where you tap headshot people and it still doesn't work, but your telling me, that snipers can miss me and still kill me now? So i can actually aim, properly, and tap headshot people, or burst fire their chest, and not get the kill thanks to the hit detection, but yet that very same hit detection allows for snipers to miss you and still kill you?
What' s the best part about this? You save the replay to go look at it, and low and behold, you can literally WATCH the person miss, and not even hit you.
Like, wtf... What is that logic Z8? Fix this already please... I have only one guess on what it is, and i think it's the sniper having a quick FPS spike, or even a very brief lag spike, i know the difference between lagging, and spiking, so in my opinion after watching these kinds of replays, i can only come up with them just spiking right there, and that just doesn't show in the replays unless it's a very long lag spike where they walk in place for a few seconds.
And 2nd, Ladders. Why can i not go up ladders fast? I am a snail on the ladders, no matter what i do, iv'e tried for 8 years to figure out ladders, and the only answer i have ever got was that Low FPS players sky rocket up and down them, but High FPS players are perma slow, and the reason for it is unknown, but it is proven according to some old posts from long ago.
And sadly, i proved it myself. I downloaded crossfire onto a potato that gets about 30 fps, and low and behold, i can sky rocket up the damn ladders. But when i hop onto my monster 200+ fps computer, i am a snail on the ladders no matter what i do, look forward, up, sideways, left, right, knife out, pistol out c4 out etc etc, iv'e tried it all.
Explain that to me please lmao... The hit detection that doesn't allow for 100% precision, allows for a miss to kill you, even though your own tap shots don't register, and High FPS players, meaning, frames per second, as in, not having potatoes for a PC, have to go up ladders EXTREMELY SLOW, where as the potato user, gets to skyrocket around the game. When it should be the complete OPPOSITE.
Thank goodness there are so few ladders in this game, i have to avoid them completely... But i can't do anything about the sniper problem, that's on z8 v.v
1st thing being, how broken snipers in this game are. Now, iv'e played this game a nearly 8 years at this point, nearing that 8 year mark, and i must say, snipers have never been this awful. They don't even have to hit you to kill you.
Let me explain, You watch the tracer miss, and you die. You pan your camera to look at the wall behind you, and you see the bullet hole 10 feet to the right, the 1 shot the sniper fired, missed you, and miraculously killed you.
So what? did it bounce off of that wall to another to another and to another to finally come back and hit me miraculously?
The sniper only shot once, you only heard one shot, you saw the tracer miss, you see the bullet hole 10 feet from your body, but your dead. How the hell? This is a game where you tap headshot people and it still doesn't work, but your telling me, that snipers can miss me and still kill me now? So i can actually aim, properly, and tap headshot people, or burst fire their chest, and not get the kill thanks to the hit detection, but yet that very same hit detection allows for snipers to miss you and still kill you?
What' s the best part about this? You save the replay to go look at it, and low and behold, you can literally WATCH the person miss, and not even hit you.
Like, wtf... What is that logic Z8? Fix this already please... I have only one guess on what it is, and i think it's the sniper having a quick FPS spike, or even a very brief lag spike, i know the difference between lagging, and spiking, so in my opinion after watching these kinds of replays, i can only come up with them just spiking right there, and that just doesn't show in the replays unless it's a very long lag spike where they walk in place for a few seconds.
And 2nd, Ladders. Why can i not go up ladders fast? I am a snail on the ladders, no matter what i do, iv'e tried for 8 years to figure out ladders, and the only answer i have ever got was that Low FPS players sky rocket up and down them, but High FPS players are perma slow, and the reason for it is unknown, but it is proven according to some old posts from long ago.
And sadly, i proved it myself. I downloaded crossfire onto a potato that gets about 30 fps, and low and behold, i can sky rocket up the damn ladders. But when i hop onto my monster 200+ fps computer, i am a snail on the ladders no matter what i do, look forward, up, sideways, left, right, knife out, pistol out c4 out etc etc, iv'e tried it all.
Explain that to me please lmao... The hit detection that doesn't allow for 100% precision, allows for a miss to kill you, even though your own tap shots don't register, and High FPS players, meaning, frames per second, as in, not having potatoes for a PC, have to go up ladders EXTREMELY SLOW, where as the potato user, gets to skyrocket around the game. When it should be the complete OPPOSITE.
Thank goodness there are so few ladders in this game, i have to avoid them completely... But i can't do anything about the sniper problem, that's on z8 v.v
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DragonKush13 wrote: »1st thing being, how broken snipers in this game are. They don't even have to hit you to kill you.
Let me explain, You watch the tracer miss, and you die. You pan your camera to look at the wall behind you, and you see the bullet hole 10 feet to the right, the 1 shot the sniper fired, missed you, and miraculously killed you.
The sniper only shot once, you only heard one shot, you saw the tracer miss, you see the bullet hole 10 feet from your body, but your dead. How the hell? This is a game where you tap headshot people and it still doesn't work, but your telling me, that snipers can miss me and still kill me now? So i can actually aim, properly, and tap headshot people, or burst fire their chest, and not get the kill thanks to the hit detection, but yet that very same hit detection allows for snipers to miss you and still kill you?
Well, first off the game sucks at registering shots. What you see and what the person shooting you sees are two different things. That's why in knife mode where it might seem like the other person is far enough that they can't hit you but on their screen you're right next to them. It sucks, but it's something you need to deal with.
It's not even lag or FPS drops, even when I 1v1 my English friends sometimes my shots won't even register. Either that or I would die after I got behind the wall, which makes sense...DragonKush13 wrote: »2nd, Ladders. Why can i not go up ladders fast? I am a snail on the ladders, no matter what i do
I find that very weird because I legit just logged in to check how quick I am on the ladders. Seemed normal to me, I have a 280-380 FPS... So it might be something to do with your client to be honest.
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Even regarding the replay? i am sure the replay would show pretty accurately what the person did, i mean it is how we catch hackers after all. Like i said, i if i watch them miss me on the replay in slow mow by a solid 10 feet there's the issue. I would understand lag, or even bad registry if it was by lets say, 5 feet, but a solid miss is a solid miss.
Also, yes i have put in a ticket about it but never got a straight forward answer. Also, this has been a long standing issue ever since i played this game the first time. AAANd i think there might be a lack of communication on my end, by rocket up the ladder, i mean they nearly instantly scale the ladder, just ZOOM their up it, i wish i could post a gif or video of it or something when i watch others go up ladders how fast they go compared to my speed of going up ladders.
But like i said iv'e tested it myself, on my potato that gets 30fps i can go up the ladders as fast as everyone else, also i might add that this potato runs windows VISTA for crying out loud to put it in perspective how potato it is. But when i get on my current PC that gets 200+ fps never dropping, i just go significantly slower up ladders, SO slow in fact that i get knocked off the ladder if a team mate tries to come up after me, they just knock me out of the way.
And it's not my client, this has been a long going issue throughout multiple computers, iv'e played this game on 3 computers over 8 years, so throughout all the uninstalls and reinstalls of bugged this or that or new computer have to go download a new version of cf etc, it would not be a client issue at this time, just because i know it's happened throughout multiple downloads and clean installs as well as brand new computers etc.
When i contacted z8, they just give a bland reply that doesn't help, basically they just say, could be your internet, could be this or that, but good luck! They don't offer any help, or diagnostics to run or anything, they just say what it COULD be, but don't go any further to pursue to rule out what it could or could not be. They don't ask for me to send in any speeds or anything, they don't even tell me to reinstall the game, which btw, i have, and like i said, wouldn't matter since this is such a long going issue.
Based off the post i read A LONG time ago, it pointed to FPS and even had one of those side by side comparison gifs that i can't find anymore of 30fps guy on a ladder vs 60fps guy on a ladder, there was a difference just between 30 fps, but that still doesn't explain why you don't have an issue with it,and i do xD or perhaps you haven't noticed just how much faster others are on them? >.>
It makes sense, crossfire is old, is has an outdated old engine to run on, so it's only natural for new gen high performance computers to not exactly be 100% compatible in some areas. I mean, it's not an issue, i can just avoid the ladders for the most part, it's just bothersome to not be able to go up fast when i NEED to. -
i think at this point it is useless to make a thread, because you know... it's not going to be explained or fixed.
the only thing i find good about sniping is the quickscoping mechanic, which requires precise aim but missing a shot and killing someone doesn't.
the ladders are a mystery and it's completely unfair in mutant mode, when ahmed can climb like a god up the ladders and infect me -
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it sure is messed up, because players with 200 ping have no problem killing you with their dsr while you're in mid air, but if you try to kill them in mid air.... oh, don't even try.
Second,
yes, players with really low (30) fps climb ladders extremely fast. compared to players with rather high (150+) fps. I've been playing cf on a toaster-laptop during 2 past months, and now when I came back to my PC I feel annoyed because I can't climb ladders as fast as I used to on my laptop. -
DragonKush13 wrote: »Even regarding the replay? i am sure the replay would show pretty accurately what the person did, i mean it is how we catch hackers after all. Like i said, i if i watch them miss me on the replay in slow mow by a solid 10 feet there's the issue. I would understand lag, or even bad registry if it was by lets say, 5 feet, but a solid miss is a solid miss.
I kind of want to see this replay, if you don't mind? For some reason it seems a little bit exaggerated. You could put it on a download site and link me later. I still believe it's the bad registry.
As for the second one, like I said I'm pretty quick on the ladders, so it's not really an issue for everyone. However, it is odd.lostinforest wrote: »First,
it sure is messed up, because players with 200 ping have no problem killing you with their dsr while you're in mid air, but if you try to kill them in mid air.... oh, don't even try.
Second,
yes, players with really low (30) fps climb ladders extremely fast. compared to players with rather high (150+) fps. I've been playing cf on a toaster-laptop during 2 past months, and now when I came back to my PC I feel annoyed because I can't climb ladders as fast as I used to on my laptop.
He claimed that it wasn't lag or bad registry.
I'm not sure about the "extremely fast" part, i'm as fast if not faster than the higher ping "ahmed" you guys claim to have low FPS.@BloodClart isn't fps cap something like 250?
I broke the game. My highest was 400 something, still no issues with ladders.
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BloodClarts wrote: »I kind of want to see this replay, if you don't mind? For some reason it seems a little bit exaggerated. You could put it on a download site and link me later. I still believe it's the bad registry.
As for the second one, like I said I'm pretty quick on the ladders, so it's not really an issue for everyone. However, it is odd.
He claimed that it wasn't lag or bad registry.
I'm not sure about the "extremely fast" part, i'm as fast if not faster than the higher ping "ahmed" you guys claim to have low FPS.
I broke the game. My highest was 400 something, still no issues with ladders.
sorry for the off topic.
@Bloodclart Did you randomly find this specific HMX room with low pings or were you playing with friends?
(Well not really low pings but kinda normal, unlike the typical 100-200 pings egys who play this mode) -
@Bloodclart Did you randomly find this specific HMX room with low pings or were you playing with friends?
(Well not really low pings but kinda normal, unlike the typical 100-200 pings egys who play this mode)
Nah I literally got on the other day for the sole reason to see how quick I am on ladders, this was completely a random game. Do not know a single person from that game. On top of that no one tried to ask me for my VIPs and I finished with 44 kills without being kicked.
I assume you are asking because you might only see 200 ping laggers, but I guarantee you this is just another normal game for me. I can't tell if I am lucky or you're just incredibly unlucky... I never win anything on the roulette machines though
Just to reiterate so it stays on topic, it must have something to do with you, if you're experiencing slow ladder climbing. I certainly am not affected. & waiting on that replay, or is it conveniently deleted? -
Wellp it is nice to see that others have the same issue, although again, left with more questions than answers, BUT i did get confirmation that i am not the only one with this problem.
As to the FPS war yall are having, i don't even know how you guys get the much fps lmao... I mean, i have a i7-6700k 4.3 ghz, a gtx 980ti SSC white edition, liquid cooling, samsung evo SSD's, z170 pro gaming mother board and 16 gb of ddr4 special order red and white dominator ram xD
And it doesn't let me go over 200.2 FPS, it's like it's capped somehow, i don't have v-sync on, but perhaps is has to do with my 144 hz monitor being synced for that smooth 144hz experience xD.
Anyway back to the topic, i'm glad i am not the only one who sees this, because its a very long standing issue, and it really isn't fair when i want to play any kind of mutation mode and have to go up ladders when an ahmed can fly up the damn thing.
I'm just going to assume crossfire's engine can't handle new gen, and can only handle old gen you find in dumpsters, you would think having high FPS gives you an advantage, but this games logic always seems to reverse it to having higher ping and lower fps is better than having low ping and high fps....
Btw, i no longer have the replay, since i clear them alot as i report a lot of hackers, plus that's not really a replay i would keep around very long as much as i just wanted to confirm how far these people can miss by. I mean the tracer alone, if you see the tracer miss you, the freaking shot missed no matter what, you can't say it's just lag or registry when this is a game that actually hitting them doesn't even kill them. And it wasn't conveniently deleted, it was deleted for replays that matter like hackers... Again, confirming something to myself was the point, not to confirm it to another by going out of my way to upload it to some download site or anything..
And besides, now you see other people posting that they have also experienced this, so how can it be a "just me" problem? My only way to make you experience it is to tell you to play crossfire on a potato, you will see the difference, or just go watch a couple Ahmeds climb up the ladders on castle, especially the one in the very middle to the tower, they will instantly scale the entire ladder in the blink of an eye, and you will still be half way up the thing if that. -
Oh yeah, and i have sent in footage to Z8, i recorded with Shadowplay and sent them me going up the ladder and am still waiting for a response, they will probably give me an automatic check your internet message and not help at all like they always do.
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DragonKush13 wrote: »I'm just going to assume crossfire's engine can't handle new gen, and can only handle old gen you find in dumpsters, you would think having high FPS gives you an advantage, but this games logic always seems to reverse it to having higher ping and lower fps is better than having low ping and high fps....
And besides, now you see other people posting that they have also experienced this, so how can it be a "just me" problem? My only way to make you experience it is to tell you to play crossfire on a potato, you will see the difference, or just go watch a couple Ahmeds climb up the ladders on castle, especially the one in the very middle to the tower, they will instantly scale the entire ladder in the blink of an eye, and you will still be half way up the thing if that.
Well you're just making theories there is not actual facts that explain why you are not able to climb the ladders just as everyone else can. I'm sorry if you felt like I was signaling you out but I was referring to anyone that has issues with the ladders. I am literally living proof that your theory of better FPS = slower ladder climbing is wrong or at least not 100% correct, regardless of the other people that experience the same thing.
Also how do you know that the Egyptians/Arabs/Turks the "Ahmeds" you're referring to have a lower FPS than you? I still believe it's something to do on your end (anyone that experiences this).
It's sad because I had a feeling that you may have "deleted" the replay. Honestly? I was genuinely interested. I can't give you the benefit of the the doubt because I don't know you, so yes I will say that it was "conveniently deleted".
I believe that it was just bad registry. I do not believe that the guy shooting you was missing by miles but still killed you, just doesn't make sense. You can't just complain about it and not have the replay, sigh..
Here's some real advice to you; if support cannot help you, but the ladders still annoy the hell out of you to the point you can't avoid it and makes you feel like not playing the game? Just quit, it's almost been 8 years as you emphasised time to move on. By no means is this a bad thing, if CF after 8 years is getting you so stressed/upset that you have to make rants & even after the rants nothing happens, you're doing yourself a favour by quitting and not looking back.
FYI: The PC I use
my record is 2000 FPS hehe but that was a while ago with my old GPU 
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