"Farewell" crates

Jefe963

What is the general purpose of the "Farewell" crates? I see it as a money making scheme imo.
First of all, why doesn't the community get a say in what crates are removed? There are plenty of weapons that are made redundant by future variants, or the fact that they are just pure crap, such as the M14EBR, Mauser M1896, M60-Adv, RPK-Gold and M4A1-S-Patriot. Weapons like the DSR-1-Red Tape and TRG-21-Red Tape are not made useless by future variants (except the Zodiac set, but that is gone for a while now)
Secondly, the crates/weapons don't even disappear. From previous events, the crates are just given out for free on later occasions! I don't think Z8 understands the idea of "Farewell" crates. :^)
Thirdly, notice how all the Farewell crates are put on offer and usually sold in bulk? That's so the people of the game buy more of the crates. Z8 only sees us as $$$ makers. Keep that in mind.
Maybe more thought could be put into these "Farewell" crates, and decent weapons could be chosen, or maybe WE as the community can choose for you. Kthx.

M1600wner

I'm taking a lot of offense in you declaring the M4A1-S Patriot as pure crap. I'd really like a poll on which we can vote for which weapon to get brought back for a limited time, at least.

As for the second point, perhaps you are right. But I really want to get the Dual Colt Hellfires so I'm somewhat opposed to them actually vaulting stuff, and it never coming back lol

And lastly, the Point of ZP Crates is for the Company to make money, I don't see anything questionable in them selling it in bulk. It's natural.

Jefe963

M1600wner wrote: »

I'm taking a lot of offense in you declaring the M4A1-S Patriot as pure crap. I'd really like a poll on which we can vote for which weapon to get brought back for a limited time, at least.

As for the second point, perhaps you are right. But I really want to get the Dual Colt Hellfires so I'm somewhat opposed to them actually vaulting stuff, and it never coming back lol

And lastly, the Point of ZP Crates is for the Company to make money, I don't see anything questionable in them selling it in bulk. It's natural.

I was mainly referring to the M4 Patriot having its Red Bandage variant, not about it being crap lol.
Z8 makes enough money from seasonal crates anyway, I don't see why they have to remove good weapons from the BM and sell them as new crates.

Abel95

As far as I was aware, they remove ZP crates to make space for new ZP crates.

Ixith

abel95 wrote: »

As far as I was aware, they remove ZP crates to make space for new ZP crates.

but why not the ZP stuff from the far reaches of the Black Market? Why not take a lot of the stuff on Page 8 and Page 7 and combine them into 'Farewell' type crates? I think that's the point here. Why take stuff like the Python and the Scar Liquid metal that people are still potentially willing to spend on their normal crates and rid them instead of stuff forever old and basic that also has better variants released since.

[GM]Kanadian

Crates will be added and removed regardless of making them 'farewell' crates. The Farewell events are our way of giving you one last chance to grab them before they go away. Keep in mind that they could always just be removed without anyone saying anything, and then we would have players confused about a missing crate on the BM purchases.

jordylord

[GM]Kanadian wrote: »

Crates will be added and removed regardless of making them 'farewell' crates. The Farewell events are our way of giving you one last chance to grab them before they go away. Keep in mind that they could always just be removed without anyone saying anything, and then we would have players confused about a missing crate on the BM purchases.

But why not give use the chance to vote on what weapons being in them, or use the once from the back pages of the zp bm?

svanced

[GM]Kanadian wrote: »

Crates will be added and removed regardless of making them 'farewell' crates. The Farewell events are our way of giving you one last chance to grab them before they go away. Keep in mind that they could always just be removed without anyone saying anything, and then we would have players confused about a missing crate on the BM purchases.

The farewell crates are made from weapons which had their own crates and they were grouped in those farewell crates.These farewell crates were then available with a discount for a while so that we can get those weapons before theyre gone.The farewell crates were removed and the weapons supposed to become rare.Months later,which is today,these "farewell" crates are back.This is weird to say the least.

Abel95

Ixith wrote: »

but why not the ZP stuff from the far reaches of the Black Market? Why not take a lot of the stuff on Page 8 and Page 7 and combine them into 'Farewell' type crates? I think that's the point here. Why take stuff like the Python and the Scar Liquid metal that people are still potentially willing to spend on their normal crates and rid them instead of stuff forever old and basic that also has better variants released since.

I think it might be based on how many purchases each crate gets. And that determines if they get removed or not. That's just my speculation.

[GM]Violet

"Farewell" sets are the same concept, but they aren't the same crate set coming back... The whole point is that the crates aren't coming back. The Summer Farewell crate set is not the same weapons as previous Farewell crate sets.

Like Kanadian said, it's better than just removing them and not saying anything. If you want to grab them before they're gone, that's what the Farewell crates are for.

Ixith

[GM]Kanadian wrote: »

Crates will be added and removed regardless of making them 'farewell' crates. The Farewell events are our way of giving you one last chance to grab them before they go away. Keep in mind that they could always just be removed without anyone saying anything, and then we would have players confused about a missing crate on the BM purchases.

Yep I don't think anyone is arguing about crates being added/removed or against the Farewell Crates in general. See further below for what this is really about...

[GM]Violet wrote: »

"Farewell" sets are the same concept, but they aren't the same crate set coming back... The whole point is that the crates aren't coming back. The Summer Farewell crate set is not the same weapons as previous Farewell crate sets.

Like Kanadian said, it's better than just removing them and not saying anything. If you want to grab them before they're gone, that's what the Farewell crates are for.

I realize you were more in terms replying to Svance's post where he confused the previous Farewell crate sets with these new Summer Farewell crates but I think when Zawg/Jefe had mentioned them 'coming back later' he was referring to how the previous set of Farewell crates were suppose to have been done away with when they left the BM sale page yet they later got used as an Event reward as well. And he and others can foresee this happening again...so is it truly 'Farewell' if we see them again as an event reward a couple months from now? (not that I personally care but if you're someone who truly wants one of those weapons that's going away and you don't get it and then later some random nabs win it because those Farewell crates show back up as an event reward then I can see that person being salty)

But I think you guys are missing the main part of this. Primarly...why are the weapons that are chosen for removal chosen in the first place? Why is the Scar Liquid Metal added in and not m60-Adv or something even older that is rather basic and bland now? I think that's all this thread REALLY wants answered beyond just the thread wanting to vent some frustration over the game in general.

We can speculate that the weapons/crate items chosen were chosen because they are still bought occasionally and are unique/pretty/shiny so when you throw them in groups in a single crate and throw that new combined crate up for sale and say "they're going away forever! FAREWELL!" people go 'oh nooooooesss' and buy the crap out of them. Where as perhaps if you chose the basic crap from the farthest reaches of ZP BM that has better versions released and as an option to purchase still people would go "Oh...those old basic crappy things? Meh I won't spend my money on those" So naturally it was a business decision not a 'let's get rid of these things' decision if that was the case. And there's nothing technically wrong with that...we won't go into why it feels oh so wrong on the players point of view though.

abel95 wrote: »

I think it might be based on how many purchases each crate gets. And that determines if they get removed or not. That's just my speculation.

This would kind of make sense. But I honestly highly doubt some of the things on Page 8 are even getting touched when there are, for the most part, the same weapons with better ammos and cooler skins on the earlier pages. Where as Some things in these summer farewell crates are like page 5 and page 6 maybe even page 4 and IMO would be more likely to be purchased because they are more unique. But if that's what it is then I'm fine as taking it from statistics WOULD make sense...but making sense isn't exactly a thing CF:NA/UK is known for.

BigMB

Ixith wrote: »

I realize you were more in terms replying to Svance's post where he confused the previous Farewell crate sets with these new Summer Farewell crates but I think when Zawg/Jefe had mentioned them 'coming back later' he was referring to how the previous set of Farewell crates were suppose to have been done away with when they left the BM sale page yet they later got used as an Event reward as well. And he and others can foresee this happening again...so is it truly 'Farewell' if we see them again as an event reward a couple months from now? (not that I personally care but if you're someone who truly wants one of those weapons that's going away and you don't get it and then later some random nabs win it because those Farewell crates show back up as an event reward then I can see that person being salty)

Well its how things work here now. You spend your money to get something, after some time it gets released as a reward of event or it is free for logging in. The best example are zm ticket weapons. Which is why some people who spent a lot of money are quitting now.

Ixith

BigMB wrote: »

Well its how things work here now. You spend your money to get something, after some time it gets released as a reward of event or it is free for logging in. The best example are zm ticket weapons. Which is why some people who spent a lot of money are quitting now.

at least with the Attendance boxes and Special Mission Gold box that rewards the ZM Ticket weapons are only temporary versions and not someone winning a permanent version of something that was suppose to be gone for good. Although since those boxes get handed out like hot cakes it certainly feels as if a lot of nabs have them permanent sometimes.

DS365

Lol all the weapons you said "suck" are actually good you just don't know how to use them because of the fact you "suck".

svanced

Ixith wrote: »

I realize you were more in terms replying to Svance's post where he confused the previous Farewell crate sets with these new Summer Farewell crates but I think when Zawg/Jefe had mentioned them 'coming back later' he was referring to how the previous set of Farewell crates were suppose to have been done away with when they left the BM sale page yet they later got used as an Event reward as well. And he and others can foresee this happening again...so is it truly 'Farewell' if we see them again as an event reward a couple months from now? (not that I personally care but if you're someone who truly wants one of those weapons that's going away and you don't get it and then later some random nabs win it because those Farewell crates show back up as an event reward then I can see that person being salty)

I cant launch the game because my antivirus finds BugTrap.dll as a virus and last time my AV had issues with Crossfire I didnt played this for 2 years so I cant really check the crates ingame but from the big image in the thread,isnt one of the pistols the Ruger Bisley ultimate silversmith or something? I personally spent like 40k zp trying to win it on the last "farewell" crates and seeing it now is what ticked me off.I see now theyre not exactly the same crates but that pistol got most of my attention.

Ixith

svanced wrote: »

I cant launch the game because my antivirus finds BugTrap.dll as a virus and last time my AV had issues with Crossfire I didnt played this for 2 years so I cant really check the crates ingame but from the big image in the thread,isnt one of the pistols the Ruger Bisley ultimate silversmith or something? I personally spent like 40k zp trying to win it on the last "farewell" crates and seeing it now is what ticked me off.I see now theyre not exactly the same crates but that pistol got most of my attention.

sorry to hear about the AV/CF problems. hopefully you can get it resolved soon.
As for the pistols in these crates. Nah they aren't the Ruger Bisley variant. One is a Colt SAA (I think that's it's name) and the other is the Python. I think those two pistols were both in the same crate together before these new Summer Farewell crates.