CFNA is Intimidating
So it looks like CFBR has just revised their rules regarding BGL tournaments. Carbon and other a few other teams have been looking into playing in BGL but due to an outcry from Brazilian players, new rules have been established to help keep out teams that would otherwise beat BR teams and take home prizes.
Quote from CFBR GM-sgto-pincel
"1.3 Residence
This rule also includes other CF teams from different countries that dont meet the requirements.
Quote from CFBR GM-sgto-pincel
"1.3 Residence
- Each player must have a permanent residence in Brazil.
- Foreign players can participate, but the team must have at least three players from the Brazilian national team throughout the championship.
- foreign born players can only participate in the quota of players residing in Brazil has proven a minimum of two years of residence in Brazil."
This rule also includes other CF teams from different countries that dont meet the requirements.
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Michaelxv205 wrote: »Isn't CFBR's comp scene big enough so this type of rule wouldn't hurt them to much?
That isnt the issue. The problem is that Brazilian players were getting butthurt when teams from other countries where coming in and taking top placing. Carbon has been looking at competing n their tournaments but now they cant unless its an invitational. -
That isnt the issue. The problem is that Brazilian players were getting butthurt when teams from other countries where coming in and taking top placing. Carbon has been looking at competing n their tournaments but now they cant unless its an invitational.
Honestly players from other version's really shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. They don't play that version so they shouldn't receive that version's prize. Most of the time each game hosts tournaments with prizes in order to stimulate their version and if it instead makes players mad then it really only hurts their competitive scene. They have tournaments that host cross-version competitions and if you need more competitive practice I'm sure there would be other ways. -
Honestly players from other version's really shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. They don't play that version so they shouldn't receive that version's prize. Most of the time each game hosts tournaments with prizes in order to stimulate their version and if it instead makes players mad then it really only hurts their competitive scene. They have tournaments that host cross-version competitions and if you need more competitive practice I'm sure there would be other ways.
This^^ I have to agree with iAnarchy on this one! -
Honestly players from other version's really shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. They don't play that version so they shouldn't receive that version's prize. Most of the time each game hosts tournaments with prizes in order to stimulate their version and if it instead makes players mad then it really only hurts their competitive scene. They have tournaments that host cross-version competitions and if you need more competitive practice I'm sure there would be other ways.
True, but there's no tournaments where the top tier teams are allowed to participate :P -
davethenew wrote: »True, but there's no tournaments where the top tier teams are allowed to participate :P
But there are also tournaments where ONLY the top tier teams can participate and for much greater prizes than all the smaller tournaments combined. Them being disqualified from our own tournaments are a choice that the players hosting them have made due to them being "professional" players. -
But there are also tournaments where ONLY the top tier teams can participate and for much greater prizes than all the smaller tournaments combined. Them being disqualified from our own tournaments are a choice that the players hosting them have made due to them being "professional" players.
True, but the only tournaments that are like that are invationals. Most the tournaments that allow top tier teams to play are in a signup format, for example esl allowed any NA team to play, except monthlies which only had the top 8 teams with the most points which you would get from playing in weeklies. -
davethenew wrote: »True, but the only tournaments that are like that are invationals. Most the tournaments that allow top tier teams to play are in a signup format, for example esl allowed any NA team to play, except monthlies which only had the top 8 teams with the most points which you would get from playing in weeklies.
So then there's no problem at all. -
CFNA is embarrassing. A decent league run by Z8 would only cost 400/month (100 per week for 1st place team) and ref/organizer for a few hours per week. If a company can't afford that to boost their esports presence they should shut their doors now, because all their competition is doing that and more.
That proposal is very minimal, but I bet that would generate lots of interest again and if they actually advertised it on their FB and Website (instead of here is a f***** up sheep mode ), they might start generating more income through the league than what they're spending (more teams means you can start charging entry fees and increase prize pools). However, no one in Z8 seems to think esports are a thing. I mean Cineplex is only selling thousands of tickets for people to watch major competitions in their theaters and electronic companies are throwing millions in advertising to games who have a large esports community. If Saidin listened to posts like this in 2012 when this games had life can you imagine what the condition of this version would be? Pitiful businessmen and visionaries if you ask me. -
I agree with Saint's post above and a response to top tier teams being able to participate the main issue with allowing them is that other lesser teams won't show up if they have to vs a team like carbon first or 2nd round. Some teams just in general won't even bother signing up if carbon does
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Michaelxv205 wrote: »I agree with Saint's post above and a response to top tier teams being able to participate the main issue with allowing them is that other lesser teams won't show up if they have to vs a team like carbon first or 2nd round. Some teams just in general won't even bother signing up if carbon does
Although they could probably sign up on alts. A good idea would to make them have to play on different teams. -
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Michaelxv205 wrote: »I agree with Saint's post above and a response to top tier teams being able to participate the main issue with allowing them is that other lesser teams won't show up if they have to vs a team like carbon first or 2nd round. Some teams just in general won't even bother signing up if carbon does
Ofcourse other teams will signup.... that should motivate teams more to do good to beat Carbon... After all.. ENVY keeps winning most of the time anyway.... I bet they want some competition and won't mind losing to have a fun match more than winning every other week without any competition... -
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Mauserzpro wrote: »When an admin calls his own tourney a waste of time LOL
He makes a point though.
In all the tournaments I've helped run and organize since WOGL (and even up until WOGL died) the participation results varied depending on the prize pool. Most of the players want to compete for something worthy and that justifies for their time played, simple as that. -
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He makes a point though.
In all the tournaments I've helped run and organize since WOGL (and even up until WOGL died) the participation results varied depending on the prize pool. Most of the players want to compete for something worthy and that justifies for their time played, simple as that.
New blood just doesn't understand -
Well the problem is people don't realize how resourceful it is to manage a 'successful' tournament or event. It comes down to a leadership role that has to be given to someone with the proper ambition, then you need others that want to contribute (ex. Staff, Caster, Admins, etc.) while also supplying prizepools (more than likely the most typical is actual money) which is a financial issue for some people. Then you have to organize stuff, report matches, record those matches, look at disputes, offer support to those that need help, then it comes down to organizing again, just even more.
Glad to see some things still going though, Shoutout to you Michael for being one of those people.
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CFNA is embarrassing. A decent league run by Z8 would only cost 400/month (100 per week for 1st place team) and ref/organizer for a few hours per week. If a company can't afford that to boost their esports presence they should shut their doors now, because all their competition is doing that and more.
That proposal is very minimal, but I bet that would generate lots of interest again and if they actually advertised it on their FB and Website (instead of here is a f***** up sheep mode ), they might start generating more income through the league than what they're spending (more teams means you can start charging entry fees and increase prize pools). However, no one in Z8 seems to think esports are a thing. I mean Cineplex is only selling thousands of tickets for people to watch major competitions in their theaters and electronic companies are throwing millions in advertising to games who have a large esports community. If Saidin listened to posts like this in 2012 when this games had life can you imagine what the condition of this version would be? Pitiful businessmen and visionaries if you ask me.
A few things (to debate, not to angrily argue lol):
A decent league run by Z8 would only cost 400/month - They invested over $1000 a month or more into WOGL/ESL/ESG. Granted, management in all 3 was not the greatest by any means. The money wasn't the issue towards the end of 2015, it was the participation. Teams simply weren't signing up and/or showing up to matches.
I bet that would generate lots of interest again and if they actually advertised it on their FB and Website - In my time at ESG, they did make several efforts to post advertisements about our events as well as ESL's on Facebook. I remember specific events that were promoted on the main CF Facebook page for people to sign up and like what I said above, the turnout was a...w...f...u...l... They've even gone as far as making a separate FB page (officially) https://www.facebook.com/CFNAeSports here. Granted they haven't posted since December, but you can scroll down and see posts about CFS, CF Brazil, the old ESL cups every week, the Presidential cup, etc.
More teams means you can start charging entry fees - At the height of one of the old sponsored leagues, they were bringing in 64+ teams per event, offering ZP and permanent weapon prizes. He tried to switch to a Pay-to-play format for higher prizes and he only got like 5 teams to sign up, the very next event. Going from 64+ to ~5 is definitely not beneficial to anyone in my opinion.
I mean Cineplex is only selling thousands of tickets for people to watch major competitions in their theaters - Certainly. For games that have a HUGE spectator following, therefore obviously having people willing to pay to watch these competitions. CrossFire has no where NEAR that kind of following at the moment. You're comparing apples to oranges.
If Saidin listened to posts like this in 2012 when this games had life can you imagine what the condition of this version would be - While I can't go into detail being a Moderator with knowledge of some behind the scenes information at that time, I can tell you personally that Saidin was all for the competitive community and eSports growing as big as possible. There were certain road blocks that obviously didn't allow him to do the things he wanted to do. Business is business, whether it's bad or good. We talked every day. There were SO many things that he wanted done and so many things he agreed with in regards to the competitive community. Unfortunately, it didn't work out that way. It wasn't because he didn't listen though.
Not everything is as black and white as you say. There's a lot more to it than, "You can run a great league for $400 a month." -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »A few things (to debate, not to angrily argue lol):
A decent league run by Z8 would only cost 400/month - They invested over $1000 a month or more into WOGL/ESL/ESG. Granted, management in all 3 was not the greatest by any means. The money wasn't the issue towards the end of 2015, it was the participation. Teams simply weren't signing up and/or showing up to matches.
I bet that would generate lots of interest again and if they actually advertised it on their FB and Website - In my time at ESG, they did make several efforts to post advertisements about our events as well as ESL's on Facebook. I remember specific events that were promoted on the main CF Facebook page for people to sign up and like what I said above, the turnout was a...w...f...u...l... They've even gone as far as making a separate FB page (officially) https://www.facebook.com/CFNAeSports here. Granted they haven't posted since December, but you can scroll down and see posts about CFS, CF Brazil, the old ESL cups every week, the Presidential cup, etc.
More teams means you can start charging entry fees - At the height of one of the old sponsored leagues, they were bringing in 64+ teams per event, offering ZP and permanent weapon prizes. He tried to switch to a Pay-to-play format for higher prizes and he only got like 5 teams to sign up, the very next event. Going from 64+ to ~5 is definitely not beneficial to anyone in my opinion.
I mean Cineplex is only selling thousands of tickets for people to watch major competitions in their theaters - Certainly. For games that have a HUGE spectator following, therefore obviously having people willing to pay to watch these competitions. CrossFire has no where NEAR that kind of following at the moment. You're comparing apples to oranges.
If Saidin listened to posts like this in 2012 when this games had life can you imagine what the condition of this version would be - While I can't go into detail being a Moderator with knowledge of some behind the scenes information at that time, I can tell you personally that Saidin was all for the competitive community and eSports growing as big as possible. There were certain road blocks that obviously didn't allow him to do the things he wanted to do. Business is business, whether it's bad or good. We talked every day. There were SO many things that he wanted done and so many things he agreed with in regards to the competitive community. Unfortunately, it didn't work out that way. It wasn't because he didn't listen though.
Not everything is as black and white as you say. There's a lot more to it than, "You can run a great league for $400 a month."
Very well explained. I remember talking to Saidin on Skype a lot and him always asking me and the staff for ideas, updates, or potential 'events' that we could organize later down the road. Unfortunately business got in the way and he wasn't able to do what he wanted to.. which is sad.
but what I think we need is a prize pool to get things started again and maybe a little more advertising ![[MOD]Polleus](https://forum.z8games.com/uploads/customavatars/7/navatar_8918107.gif){kind=avatar}
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