Weekly Cups

73622

Alright so here are some problems in this weekly cups that can be solve and make this cups way better and interesting.

For the players:

1. Disputes, teams can't take a lost. They will simply just ask for a bandicam of someone, hoping they'll not upload or even worst he has a terrible internet so he cant upload on time given or they might see some sprays on the floor, muzzle flame or what so ever.

Admins, can solve this problem. Have the players tell them on whatever reason why they're disputing. Have a limit dispute that can be made for a month (I.E. you can only dispute 5 bandicams a month) or w/e. Also have more time to upload for ots.

Let's look at Daniel, who disputes every week. Kid cant take that some teams are better than them, there's this new team that beat them and disputed about spray on the floor and some muzzle flames.

2. If you want to get better take a lost, start playing like a team. Be consistent.

For the admins:

1. Be less bias,

two weeks ago Lug's team exceeds on the time limit given to them.

2. Have the brackets/map streamed it'll only take less than 10 minutes.

Let's take a look at BGL where Josh(British/owner of his cup) avoids versing FPAS multiple of times, placing his team on a weaker side of the brackets.

3. Admins you got to remember what are this cups for, this cup is not for the constant 8-10 teams that joins every week and have 1-3 teams dominate every week. This cup are for the teams that wants to go into competitive REAL COMPETITIVE like ESL and ESG. Also this cup is the stepping stone to get a taste of competitive gaming.

4. Have like an ESL monthly leaderboard and a monthly finals for this EGL Cup to increase competitive level of play.

5. Advertisements! we all need to advertise especially Z8 on their facebook page or even on the game.


Your thought? any other suggestions?

Chris2mfingg

Or you could just ban Daniel from egl. Easiest way to solve the disputes.

eX_Makaveli

The disputes for Bandicam would be resolved with a replacement of an anti-cheat. Michael is trying to get his hands on one. However it's a rule that's obviously there to catch cheaters and people use the limit to get them disqualified cause they assume the persons not uploading on purpose or they simply don't want to wait on the time or they simply want to continue playing. They can resolve this by the people who get disputed are to upload their Bandicam within 24 hours starting after the tournament ends if that's not done the person is ban from playing. If the person is caught cheating they can give the win to the next team in line (2nd place, 3rd place etc) because the prizes take a few days to give out anyway. As for sprays and muzzle flames I think it's fine the way it is but they could make it that it's the other team's duty to notify the opposing team to take it off while still giving the first round to them. If the opposing team doesn't notice it until later then it shouldn't matter and not be disqualified for.

1122ACO

Chris2mfingg wrote: »

Or you could just ban Daniel from egl. Easiest way to solve the disputes.

Lol you're dumb.

Chris2mfingg

1122ACO wrote: »

Lol you're dumb.

Let us say one person is carrying a spreading disease. What is the smart thing to do? Trying to find a cure for it whilst letting the disease spread and ruin. Or.. Removing the person with the disease? And yes, I think Daniel is a disease to humanity. I know I am not alone thinking this.

wOcakey

73622 wrote: »

Alright so here are some problems in this weekly cups that can be solve and make this cups way better and interesting.

For the players:

1. Disputes, teams can't take a lost. They will simply just ask for a bandicam of someone, hoping they'll not upload or even worst he has a terrible internet so he cant upload on time given or they might see some sprays on the floor, muzzle flame or what so ever.

Admins, can solve this problem. Have the players tell them on whatever reason why they're disputing. Have a limit dispute that can be made for a month (I.E. you can only dispute 5 bandicams a month) or w/e. Also have more time to upload for ots.

Let's look at Daniel, who disputes every week. Kid cant take that some teams are better than them, there's this new team that beat them and disputed about spray on the floor and some muzzle flames.

2. If you want to get better take a lost, start playing like a team. Be consistent.

For the admins:

1. Be less bias,

two weeks ago Lug's team exceeds on the time limit given to them.

2. Have the brackets/map streamed it'll only take less than 10 minutes.

Let's take a look at BGL where Josh(British/owner of his cup) avoids versing FPAS multiple of times, placing his team on a weaker side of the brackets.

3. Admins you got to remember what are this cups for, this cup is not for the constant 8-10 teams that joins every week and have 1-3 teams dominate every week. This cup are for the teams that wants to go into competitive REAL COMPETITIVE like ESL and ESG. Also this cup is the stepping stone to get a taste of competitive gaming.

4. Have like an ESL monthly leaderboard and a monthly finals for this EGL Cup to increase competitive level of play.

5. Advertisements! we all need to advertise especially Z8 on their facebook page or even on the game.


Your thought? any other suggestions?

Finally there's someone over here that believes those things about British, guess I was right last week!
My team got dqed because I couldnt upload the file just in time, and the admin knew that the enemy team is doing this on purpose !
At least EGL isn't that bad as BGL ! The only thing that EGL needs is an AC or at least increase the time limit ... what's the matter if you wait 15-20 mins more?

Michaelxv205

eX_Makaveli wrote: »

The disputes for Bandicam would be resolved with a replacement of an anti-cheat. Michael is trying to get his hands on one. However it's a rule that's obviously there to catch cheaters and people use the limit to get them disqualified cause they assume the persons not uploading on purpose or they simply don't want to wait on the time or they simply want to continue playing. They can resolve this by the people who get disputed are to upload their Bandicam within 24 hours starting after the tournament ends if that's not done the person is ban from playing. If the person is caught cheating they can give the win to the next team in line (2nd place, 3rd place etc) because the prizes take a few days to give out anyway. As for sprays and muzzle flames I think it's fine the way it is but they could make it that it's the other team's duty to notify the opposing team to take it off while still giving the first round to them. If the opposing team doesn't notice it until later then it shouldn't matter and not be disqualified for.

This pretty much answered what I would say in a nutshell however the timelimit originally which was extended because I thought it was to short, it was originally supposed to be 20-25mins. Also for the muzzle flames it's just an old ruling that can always be avoided. Muzzle Flame/Sprays are treated like character item ex. bags. We can't do a 24hr bandicam because immediately after the tournament I must notify who won 1st and 2nd no exceptions. As I've said before and continue to say I am trying to get an anticheat as best as I can with limited resources and many obstacles. 90% of the issues can be solved with an anticheat but the issue is getting one.

Michaelxv205

73622 wrote: »

For the admins:

1. Be less bias,

two weeks ago Lug's team exceeds on the time limit given to them.

Also he wasn't allowed to exceed the time limit. They asked Daniel and his team if they could have extended time as well as messaged him ingame (I messaged him as well.) He never answered to any of it. Also we gave daniel's team this week the exact amount of time they used 55mins. They did not even end up uploading in 62mins which we allowed then moved on to the next round, Envy received the dq because by the end of 62mins they did not have 1st half uploaded yet as well as the fake upload by Daniel himself.

davethenew

73622 wrote: »

Let's take a look at BGL where Josh(British/owner of his cup) avoids versing FPAS multiple of times, placing his team on a weaker side of the brackets.

I literally just laughed for 10 minutes straight because this is so true.

Michaelxv205

If I knew the proper stream settings to stream in full screen I would but this would put me in the weird situation that is being the streamer/head admin for EGL and most people whisper me in game with their issues so this would conflict with that.

Also to reply to 73622, I'm not sure if Josh(British) really does "rig" his brackets however I bandicam record when I make the brackets (no you guys can't get them) just if the suspension comes up that I rig the brackets. I use challengers seeding randomizer and only click it one time. Also that is another reason why I don't participate in EGL anymore. I believe there should be a rule which reads "Admins cannot play in any Tournaments/Leagues sponsored by Z8Games" Or something along those lines.

Michaelxv205

I don't bandicam record it every week now because sometimes I make the brackets on my phone and such because of personal issues but when SPL appointed me to making the brackets I bandicamed it every week.

JoshBritish

I love helping the community, it helps to get me accused of stuff daily. People like Cakey refuse that I help the community because in their particular case they're cursed with bad internet, yet people like him come up with no solutions. I've already thought of making limits on bandi disputes. I admit that I deliberately put FPAS on the opposite side of the bracket to any other good team, as I want 2 good teams in the finals, not a 10-1 blow out. For example, Team5LEGEND 10-1'd H!VE in the finals once. Of course these teams have to earn there place in the finals by winning the previous rounds, but it doesn't make sense to put the best teams against each other in the 1st round, and then have all the bad teams in the finals. I move things about so that weaker teams don't have to face the SAME top teams in the 1st round, so that teams can face different people every week if possible, because matches should be close. Close matches are COMPETITIVE. When it comes to FPAS, no other team has been on the same level (especially as every team is ****) I know that they'll be in the finals every single cup, so I don't get your logic, their bracket doesn't really matter as long as they face a 'worthy opponent' in the finals. Good job posting these accusations on an alt.

Michaelxv205

But the issue I'm seeing is what makes people worthy opponents??

The people you deem as not "worthy" can beat the ones "worthy" and just because a final is a 10-1 sweep doesn't make it bad. It still gives the opportunity for the not "worthy" people to receive zp and tbh from what I've seen from running EGL people want the zp prize and want to play against each other no matter the team they are up against. Also just a separate question how many people sign up weekly for BGL?

JoshBritish

Michaelxv205 wrote: »

But the issue I'm seeing is what makes people worthy opponents??

The people you deem as not "worthy" can beat the ones "worthy" and just because a final is a 10-1 sweep doesn't make it bad. It still gives the opportunity for the not "worthy" people to receive zp and tbh from what I've seen from running EGL people want the zp prize and want to play against each other no matter the team they are up against. Also just a separate question how many people sign up weekly for BGL?

Previous BGL cups have shown each teams prowess. I also know from my experience playing with some of them. I think it's better for matches to be close and for teams to work their way up the ladder rather than having super easy or extremely hard matches. I try my best to make it this way, someone has the face the better teams though and I switch this up. There's only been 1 cup where my team (which barely exists, we're only on for some cups) has had a "weaker bracket". Knowing cakey and the owner of this thread, I'd probably get blamed for giving FPAS an easier bracket and be called biased if it was the other way around. As I said I change things up, so if one week they had to play Team5LEGEND in the 2nd round, then the week after we'd have to play them in the 2nd round. For me personally, it's not about winning or the prize, it's about encouraging active competitive play. In the future the brackets will just be random, recently I've been tying to make things as fun as possible for everyone just as an attempt to encourage activity. It's at my own discretion. In my eyes the ZP is just an extra to improve the cup and make it more official, plus to get some support from Z8. We've been getting 8-11 teams from the start, but recently we've been getting around 6 EU teams and 2 NA teams per cup.
Quite a few teams have quit, are inactive or have roster issues at the moment. If things don't start to improve we'll start holding cups further apart. The owner of this thread used my words when saying that these cups are a "stepping stone" to better things, which I've previously mentioned to multiple players in the community. That's exactly what BGL cups are for, to make the competitive scene more active. I won't be discussing this further, if anyone else wants to make a cup for the UK servers then go ahead.

ilPhone5

this isn't a diary, why is everyone writing bunches of paragraphs lmfao

Spekkulertt

So, I see alot of mixed thoughts about this thread. For example putting the two top teams in different brackets for an exciting final for people to watch. In my eyes, this is competetive. It's like fireworks on 4th of July or new years eve. Theres always a big finale, to symbolize something.

This isn't some new kind of thing that has happened recently. This is used in every competetive sport / game all around the world, for example CS:GO majors. Top rated teams doesn't meet top rated teams to not destroy for new teams, but to give them a shot. It should be common sense to people that by playing against better teams, you also get better. If two top teams were to play against eachother in the early phases of a tournament, the weaker teams would pretty much get a buy-in to the higher brackets.

Let's use some american teams and make a scenario.
Carbon plays against !nstinct, Carbon wins. Carbon then face the weaker Envy.VN in a semi-final, and wins them to. On paper, this would front Envy.VN to be a better team than !nstinct, even though this is far from true (again, names used were examples. This isn't ment as a statement). If this were to happen, you couldn't call the tourny competetive. Being competetive is about being the best. Weaker teams getting further than better teams in a cup because of bracket format is as far away from competivity you can get.

Hopefully this should answer atleast a few questions.
-Spekk, igl FPAS