The Echo-8 dilemma
Echo-8 used to be the place where pro's/semi pro's/regular players could play against other competitive opponents actually trying to win using only guns allowed in tournaments so that nobody had any unfair advantages.
Now when we play there is 1 public lobby at max, which is what everyone who cant scrim strives to find because they won't have to deal with vips/armor/etc.
I find myself, among others very frustrated because people who are either; new to the game, using a vip, or using armor are playing in e8. I'm trying to practice and i literally cannot because of the buggy shot guns, not so much vip guns but armor aswell being used in e8. What saddens me is that this game has and always will be HEAVILY circled around those who spend money on it.
Armor in my opinion is completely useless, it was added to give those struggling newbies at the game more of a chance to excel. Yes it is a cool add on for them, they do not go from "i cant kill anyone this game sucks" to "now i have armor this game is amazing" though, and the amount of commotion it causes and banter because of it makes me wonder why it is still here. I don't mean for this to be a rant thread but seriously, what are you even doing at work? The ks-23 bug is almost game ruining, it can headshot long range, it's automatic and does massive damage yet this bug has existed for weeks? How have you not fixed this yet?
I realize there is multiple different things behind the scenes, and it is not all clear cut as we like to make it out to be, but there are very simple things you can change to improve the game and you just...don't. It's frustrating to have to wonder where the time is spent while you are working, and you're going to have to realize that new re skins of weapons is not good content being added to the game, the only purpose that serves is putting more money in your wallet.
I can think of so many power imbalances in this game that give certain players the advantage in which has nothing to do with skill. So many things that desperately need changing yet nothing being done about it.
Do you want NA to have a chance at winning CFS? Fine. Then give us a plat form we can actually practice and develop skill on, because i'm sure the players over there at carbon waste a lot of time dealing with the imbalance's within this game induced by the pay to play nature of it.
Didn't mean to turn this into a rant but **** it, just decided to say everything i've been thinking since being back.
Now when we play there is 1 public lobby at max, which is what everyone who cant scrim strives to find because they won't have to deal with vips/armor/etc.
I find myself, among others very frustrated because people who are either; new to the game, using a vip, or using armor are playing in e8. I'm trying to practice and i literally cannot because of the buggy shot guns, not so much vip guns but armor aswell being used in e8. What saddens me is that this game has and always will be HEAVILY circled around those who spend money on it.
Armor in my opinion is completely useless, it was added to give those struggling newbies at the game more of a chance to excel. Yes it is a cool add on for them, they do not go from "i cant kill anyone this game sucks" to "now i have armor this game is amazing" though, and the amount of commotion it causes and banter because of it makes me wonder why it is still here. I don't mean for this to be a rant thread but seriously, what are you even doing at work? The ks-23 bug is almost game ruining, it can headshot long range, it's automatic and does massive damage yet this bug has existed for weeks? How have you not fixed this yet?
I realize there is multiple different things behind the scenes, and it is not all clear cut as we like to make it out to be, but there are very simple things you can change to improve the game and you just...don't. It's frustrating to have to wonder where the time is spent while you are working, and you're going to have to realize that new re skins of weapons is not good content being added to the game, the only purpose that serves is putting more money in your wallet.
I can think of so many power imbalances in this game that give certain players the advantage in which has nothing to do with skill. So many things that desperately need changing yet nothing being done about it.
Do you want NA to have a chance at winning CFS? Fine. Then give us a plat form we can actually practice and develop skill on, because i'm sure the players over there at carbon waste a lot of time dealing with the imbalance's within this game induced by the pay to play nature of it.
Didn't mean to turn this into a rant but **** it, just decided to say everything i've been thinking since being back.
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Says someone who trolledf cheating videos? You're right the community doesn't deserve anything. Only the 15 or so decent players have deserved anything in the last few years. The rest of you yahoos should of pulled an erick and moved on
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This game professionally is harder than csgo, if some of the chinese or korean crossfire pro's moved to csgo they would be insane. You need way faster reactions in this game, and have way better aim, if some of the best professional teams/players moved to csgo it would be way easier considering they can change mouse accel and use more than 125 mouse hz.+1
This is one of the most toxic communities. Buncha sub-par players who think they are good at this free to play game, yet none of them would make it in CS:GO.
Ignorant thing of you to say. -
This game professionally is harder than csgo, if some of the chinese or korean crossfire pro's moved to csgo they would be insane. You need way faster reactions in this game, and have way better aim, if some of the best professional teams/players moved to csgo it would be way easier considering they can change mouse accel and use more than 125 mouse hz.
Ignorant thing of you to say.
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This game professionally is harder than csgo, if some of the chinese or korean crossfire pro's moved to csgo they would be insane. You need way faster reactions in this game, and have way better aim, if some of the best professional teams/players moved to csgo it would be way easier considering they can change mouse accel and use more than 125 mouse hz.
Ignorant thing of you to say.
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This game professionally is harder than csgo, if some of the chinese or korean crossfire pro's moved to csgo they would be insane. You need way faster reactions in this game, and have way better aim, if some of the best professional teams/players moved to csgo it would be way easier considering they can change mouse accel and use more than 125 mouse hz.
Ignorant thing of you to say.
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So quick to bash yet providing no reason why, toxic community i see what head was saying.
This isn't being toxic, you made a dumb statement. CS:GO is WAY harder competively as a whole game as well. If you don't think that you obviously never played. -
The only person who made a dumb statement is the person who can't back it up. I gave my reasons all being legitimate, i told you among others to challenge that providing your own reasons and all you did was repeat yourself. I have played csgo and stand by my reasons, it doesn't pi.ss me off that you are all hating on this thread it pi.sses me off that you are hating and not providing a reason why.This isn't being toxic, you made a dumb statement. CS:GO is WAY harder competively as a whole game as well. If you don't think that you obviously never played.
Since you think i am so ignorant for saying what i did let me give you an example:
If someone said "the earth is flat", from your eyes since they are so obviously wrong, you would say "No the earth is round, how could it be flat when the sun revolves around it(or some other simple general answer)"
So why are you doing the same thing to me on this thread? You look like a complete and utter childish reta.rd by anyone with half a brain, regardless of what was stated or how completely wrong it is by saying "You are wrong", "idiot", "you have to be joking(trolling)" repeatedly. I actually typed that for fun, aswell as this, so "is this an essay" and "how long did it take you to type that lmfao" are cop outs.
So here's some life advice, it doesn't matter what was argued, if you disagree with 0 evidence or reasoning, not even so much as a common sense statement, your word is no better than mine. -
Meltdown04 wrote: »Jpurvis samefa/gging on yet another thread...
Im going to have to ask you to stop talking out of your ass so we can understand what you're saying.
Thanksyes, the enlightened ones vs the ones who have yet to see the light.
Im just stating its all opinion. Some players are more tuned to playing with the game mechanics of CF than CSGO. -
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This is one of the most toxic communities. Buncha sub-par players who think they are good at this free to play game, yet none of them would make it in CS:GO.
not really, the mechanics of csgo are pretty easy to grasp so most people who are good at the game (not all top players can play cs, using lifeline as an example) could potentially play at a fairly high level as it just depends on how much effort you put into the game. this however doesn't apply to you as you are not good at crossfire or csgo.
edit: this community is small scale so pretty much every other major community (like the csgo community or LoL community) is much more toxic but on a much larger scale, the community in this game was never the problem and the only people complaining about it are retards with a saviour complex thinking the community needs to change in order for the game to grow. -
This game professionally is harder than csgo, if some of the chinese or korean crossfire pro's moved to csgo they would be insane. You need way faster reactions in this game, and have way better aim, if some of the best professional teams/players moved to csgo it would be way easier considering they can change mouse accel and use more than 125 mouse hz.
Ignorant thing of you to say.
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this community is small scale so pretty much every other major community (like the csgo community or LoL community) is much more toxic but on a much larger scale, the community in this game was never the problem
I can partially agree with this.
If anyone has played LoL or CS:GO, it is pretty much the CF community on a much larger scale. I have in fact seen worse people in LoL (because I played that more) than I have in this community yet it's still one of, if not the the most played/popular eSports focused games in the world. Spend some time on the LoL forums, you will see the same kind of people as you see here. Toxic, toxic and more toxic.
At the same time though, look at the effort League or CS players take to promote their game play, which in turn brings outside interest to that particular game. Streaming is a huge part of those games, but again that is in part because the communities are so much larger. The viewership is worth the time to stream and promote their game play. There is some responsibility of the community to put forth an effort to show that there is something worth running events for. It's not ALL the community's effort by any means, the developer has huge responsibilities as well in terms of advancing competition/promotion/etc. I'm just touching on the community aspect of this discussion. -
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At the same time though, look at the effort League or CS players take to promote their game play, which in turn brings outside interest to that particular game. Streaming is a huge part of those games, but again that is in part because the communities are so much larger. The viewership is worth the time to stream and promote their game play. There is some responsibility of the community to put forth an effort to show that there is something worth running events for. It's not ALL the community's effort by any means, the developer has huge responsibilities as well in terms of advancing competition/promotion/etc. I'm just touching on the community aspect of this discussion.
The players themselves have major assistance from their sponsors and other external support mechanisms which aren't available in the north American version of this game, they don't exactly go out of their way to promote the game as they are paid to play and stream.
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