The Truth.
ESG is a fake, mediocre, immature company at best.
They have been lying to the community the whole time. They praise "fair play" when in reality they don't care at all.
There Anti-Cheat does nothing at all.
You think A company like ESG with the "Best" Anti-cheat could properly ban someone for cheating or maybe.
~im sorry michaeldrk but the community needs to know.
Do you think that this a company prestigious as ESG would be able to ban someone for cheating, and not let them play on the same computer and same IP. I mean I remember once having to make a new ESG account because Iceman didn't want there to be any trouble with "smurfing".
For the safety of 2 other players that I will not be showing there names. They have told me that they have "tested" stuff in matches. Which im pretty sure that refers to cheating in matches.
So now going on the debate if ESG should host the cfstars final over ESL?
If I didn't describe the situation that good, hopefully you get what im saying, i mean its pretty blatant that the anti cheat does nothing. Believe what you want.
~ALOHA
They have been lying to the community the whole time. They praise "fair play" when in reality they don't care at all.
There Anti-Cheat does nothing at all.
You think A company like ESG with the "Best" Anti-cheat could properly ban someone for cheating or maybe.
~im sorry michaeldrk but the community needs to know.
Do you think that this a company prestigious as ESG would be able to ban someone for cheating, and not let them play on the same computer and same IP. I mean I remember once having to make a new ESG account because Iceman didn't want there to be any trouble with "smurfing".
For the safety of 2 other players that I will not be showing there names. They have told me that they have "tested" stuff in matches. Which im pretty sure that refers to cheating in matches.
So now going on the debate if ESG should host the cfstars final over ESL?
If I didn't describe the situation that good, hopefully you get what im saying, i mean its pretty blatant that the anti cheat does nothing. Believe what you want.
~ALOHA
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Once Mike made that post that there is never a need to an AC dispute because logs are automatically checked, I knew something had to be up. I know multiple people who have forgotten to run the AC before/during an ESG match and no one noticed...
Not to mention the AC update thread they made Thursday was the same AC version we all downloaded in early June lol..
#conspiracies -
Once Mike made that post that there is never a need to an AC dispute because logs are automatically checked, I knew something had to be up. I know multiple people who have forgotten to run the AC before/during an ESG match and no one noticed...
Not to mention the AC update thread they made Thursday was the same AC version we all downloaded in early June lol..
#conspiracies
If you would have tried to run the old version you had, it would have given Updater Error 5 because it couldn't connect to our old server. The new just had a new IP in it. The vbulletin downloads mod we use allows me to just change the file without actually going through the process to add a new file. Since it was the updater that was broken I had to issue a new download link.
Also, to everyone saying they can cheat on ESG, or know somebody who can. I'm sure there are cheats that I don't catch right now, because instead of you guys helping ESG out by letting us know, you harbor these cheaters. You guys don't want a fair playing field, you just don't want other people to use cheats against you.
If people don't run the client, it's hard to tell until a manual review is done for that match. Because most teams have more than 5 players, we don't know which 5 players to expect to be on client for each match. I'm working with Iceman tonight to try to come up with ideas to prevent or at least give us a heads up when this happens. -
If you would have tried to run the old version you had, it would have given Updater Error 5 because it couldn't connect to our old server. The new just had a new IP in it. The vbulletin downloads mod we use allows me to just change the file without actually going through the process to add a new file. Since it was the updater that was broken I had to issue a new download link.
Also, to everyone saying they can cheat on ESG, or know somebody who can. I'm sure there are cheats that I don't catch right now, because instead of you guys helping ESG out by letting us know, you harbor these cheaters. You guys don't want a fair playing field, you just don't want other people to use cheats against you.
If people don't run the client, it's hard to tell until a manual review is done for that match. Because most teams have more than 5 players, we don't know which 5 players to expect to be on client for each match. I'm working with Iceman tonight to try to come up with ideas to prevent or at least give us a heads up when this happens.
ur clients a joke, you cant even ban someone who supposedly cheated, but yet hes still playing on the same computer and same IP address.. im guessing your AC cant detect that either. -
If people don't run the client, it's hard to tell until a manual review is done for that match. Because most teams have more than 5 players, we don't know which 5 players to expect to be on client for each match. I'm working with Iceman tonight to try to come up with ideas to prevent or at least give us a heads up when this happens.
So if you can't tell if someone isn't on client, they can be cheating off client without even having to bypass.. right? That's fine but you would have to check it manually, but yet you don't take disputes? What.....
Pretty sure i remember seeing this recently"We don't take AC disputes, there's no need for them. Logs are checked automatically everytime a match is played. The only time a dispute would be required is if we were hosting a tournament and your next match was scheduled right after the conclusion of the disputed match. In that case we would manually check the logs to push it through quicker."
Really can't blame the players on this one for not coming forward or whatever. This is your anticheat that couldn't even see that someone who is banned is playing on it, and didn't even attempt to hide who he was. Why don't we let famous and them play too? Might as well right?
A lot of players put trust in that anticheat and many just believed you when you said michealdrk was cheating, but how can anyone trust it now? -
This is just sad.... You have no way of telling if teams get on client. Maybe we should use ESL. This is just sad man, how do you ban a player and he is still able to play in your league without you knowing.. Yet you claim to have caught him cheating in our match!!! Did the logs " automatically" catch him or did you really just make some shiiiit up!
ps...
I apologize michealdrk. -
speak_truth wrote: »this is just sad.... You have no way of telling if teams get on client. Maybe we should use esl. This is just sad man, how do you ban a player and he is still able to play in your league without you knowing.. Yet you claim to have caught him cheating in our match!!! Did the logs " automatically" catch him or did you really just make some shiiiit up!
Ps...
I apologize michealdrk.
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So if you can't tell if someone isn't on client, they can be cheating off client without even having to bypass.. right? That's fine but you would have to check it manually, but yet you don't take disputes? What.....
Pretty sure i remember seeing this recently
"We don't take AC disputes, there's no need for them. Logs are checked automatically everytime a match is played. The only time a dispute would be required is if we were hosting a tournament and your next match was scheduled right after the conclusion of the disputed match. In that case we would manually check the logs to push it through quicker."
Look at it this way. If a team has 7 members, how are we supposed to know who is playing in the match unless they log on?
Everytime you log into the client and run the ac, the client pulls your team information from the site and stores that information in the logs. So when we search the logs by team and match date, it gives a relatively good picture of who played in the match. But until those logs are up, we don't know who is playing. The server that scans the logs doesn't care about smurfing checks, checking hwids, or how many players from each team were on client. Those checks would be useful, but would slow the script down making it take longer to scan the logs for known cheat signatures.
Every so often, when a player is suspected of cheating, I will dump the module of the suspected cheat from memory and send it back to the ESG server. Then they are analyzed and if they are a cheat, I will make a new signature and add it to the list of known cheats.
So TL:DR
We can see if teams are on client, but there isn't a flag for if a player didn't run client. Because we don't know which 5 from that team to expect. -
Look at it this way. If a team has 7 members, how are we supposed to know who is playing in the match unless they log on?
Everytime you log into the client and run the ac, the client pulls your team information from the site and stores that information in the logs. So when we search the logs by team and match date, it gives a relatively good picture of who played in the match. But until those logs are up, we don't know who is playing. The server that scans the logs doesn't care about smurfing checks, checking hwids, or how many players from each team were on client. Those checks would be useful, but would slow the script down making it take longer to scan the logs for known cheat signatures.
Every so often, when a player is suspected of cheating, I will dump the module of the suspected cheat from memory and send it back to the ESG server. Then they are analyzed and if they are a cheat, I will make a new signature and add it to the list of known cheats.
So TL:DR
We can see if teams are on client, but there isn't a flag for if a player didn't run client. Because we don't know which 5 from that team to expect.
Seems like a really good system, I fully support you shaping the future of CF NA~! -
I dont want to be a killjoy here, but ESL is not much better in terms of cf.
i already told my team how they could easily bypass both clients, and its simply our resentment of crossfire that prevents us from doing it
sorry to spoil this roast of esg, as their entire system sucks (screenshotting for armor? takes me 15 seconds to photoshop it out), but its pretty much every league right now
oh well -
I dont want to be a killjoy here, but ESL is not much better in terms of cf.
i already told my team how they could easily bypass both clients, and its simply our resentment of crossfire that prevents us from doing it
sorry to spoil this roast of esg, as their entire system sucks (screenshotting for armor? takes me 15 seconds to photoshop it out), but its pretty much every league right now
oh well
Both leagues are bad but Mike isn't running ESL, so ESL > ESG -
myanticheat: Hey, in your opinion
myanticheat: If I were to offer proof of somebody cheating
† mateusz †: stop talking to me
myanticheat: What is good enough proof for you
myanticheat: No, you don't get to trash me
myanticheat: All the time, and then not try to help me clear the situation
† mateusz †: i think i get to do what i want
† mateusz †: welcome to the internet
† mateusz †: i don't trash you because of how your league is ran
† mateusz †: i do it because of how you treat other people
myanticheat: Because your a pathetic kid
myanticheat: This proves that
† mateusz †: LOL
myanticheat: You have no idea how to conduct yourself
† mateusz †: I don't respect you
† mateusz †: why would i help you
myanticheat: That's why I tell you if you don't like it to don't play here
† mateusz †: And that's why i'm not?
myanticheat: So why do you keep running your mouth
† mateusz †: Because you treat other people like ****
† mateusz †: how many times do i have to tell you
† mateusz †: You come to me asking for help
† mateusz †: and i basically tell you to **** off
† mateusz †: obviously i don't like you
myanticheat: I'm asking you how to make you happy
† mateusz †: But you're going to categorize me as a "kid", because I don't respect you
myanticheat: Since you are the one who runs your mouth the most
† mateusz †: You don't know what makes me happy
† mateusz †: I haven't complained once about your anti cheat
† mateusz †: You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
† mateusz †: THE ONLY THING that i have trashed you about
† mateusz †: is your attitude
† mateusz †: and how you treat the players
myanticheat: And I have changed that
† mateusz †: you are unproffessional and these logs prove my point
† mateusz †: you have changed that?
† mateusz †: what in 2 days?
† mateusz †: im glad
† mateusz †: good for you -
So ESG lacks on the detail of their CF tailored AC while NESL cant even check theirs and has more issues when people logging in and getting disconnected leading to more DQs. Bad enough Zzxq cant even look at ESL Wire and has to rely on someone else.
Both leagues have their pros and cons. Cant be perfect. -
So ESG lacks on the detail of their CF tailored AC while NESL cant even check theirs and has more issues when people logging in and getting disconnected leading to more DQs. Bad enough Zzxq cant even look at ESL Wire and has to rely on someone else.
Both leagues have their pros and cons. Cant be perfect.
list me 3 pros of each league -
mateuszsweg wrote: »myanticheat: Hey, in your opinion
myanticheat: If I were to offer proof of somebody cheating
† mateusz †: stop talking to me
myanticheat: What is good enough proof for you
myanticheat: No, you don't get to trash me
myanticheat: All the time, and then not try to help me clear the situation
† mateusz †: i think i get to do what i want
† mateusz †: welcome to the internet
† mateusz †: i don't trash you because of how your league is ran
† mateusz †: i do it because of how you treat other people
myanticheat: Because your a pathetic kid
myanticheat: This proves that
† mateusz †: LOL
myanticheat: You have no idea how to conduct yourself
† mateusz †: I don't respect you
† mateusz †: why would i help you
myanticheat: That's why I tell you if you don't like it to don't play here
† mateusz †: And that's why i'm not?
myanticheat: So why do you keep running your mouth
† mateusz †: Because you treat other people like ****
† mateusz †: how many times do i have to tell you
† mateusz †: You come to me asking for help
† mateusz †: and i basically tell you to **** off
† mateusz †: obviously i don't like you
myanticheat: I'm asking you how to make you happy
† mateusz †: But you're going to categorize me as a "kid", because I don't respect you
myanticheat: Since you are the one who runs your mouth the most
† mateusz †: You don't know what makes me happy
† mateusz †: I haven't complained once about your anti cheat
† mateusz †: You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
† mateusz †: THE ONLY THING that i have trashed you about
† mateusz †: is your attitude
† mateusz †: and how you treat the players
myanticheat: And I have changed that
† mateusz †: you are unproffessional and these logs prove my point
† mateusz †: you have changed that?
† mateusz †: what in 2 days?
† mateusz †: im glad
† mateusz †: good for you
How did Mike even get hired -
So ESG lacks on the detail of their CF tailored AC while NESL cant even check theirs and has more issues when people logging in and getting disconnected leading to more DQs. Bad enough Zzxq cant even look at ESL Wire and has to rely on someone else.
Both leagues have their pros and cons. Cant be perfect.
ESL is much bigger than ESG, the problem is that there's only ONE person assigned to handle CF. The whole ESL Anti-Cheat problem is imo just the people that use it. It's just too complicated for "some people" to use. -
lol i noticed you changed your signature
Gotta be niceJoshBritish wrote: »ESL is much bigger than ESG, the problem is that there's only ONE person assigned to handle CF. The whole ESL Anti-Cheat problem is imo just the people that use it. It's just too complicated for "some people" to use.
lol jared -
JoshBritish wrote: »ESL is much bigger than ESG, the problem is that there's only ONE person assigned to handle CF. The whole ESL Anti-Cheat problem is imo just the people that use it. It's just too complicated for "some people" to use.
It DCs people randomly. You could run it great for months and then it can just disconnect. -
Here's the real truth
X_s_L created this thread with one goal in mind, to help unban carbon.
Let me start off providing some evidence that X_s_L's "opinion on this matter" is completely biased. After Carbon got banned, Andrej continued to play Cross Fire with Trio under a different alias. I searched for it but cannot find a picture, but they are both friends. This is not an opinion of someone that thinks they've the right to play again since it's been awhile, this is the opinion of someone that admires a cheater and will do anything to unban them, even scumbag a league to unban a scumbag.
His name in trio was "Andrej" and he rarely logged in, and hadn't communicated with anyone from trio with the exception of some random clan chat. Tbh he might not even know who XsL is
Although that may be his goal, it still doesn't make what michealdrk did untrue. -
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