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Well basically, looking at the here and now I think the following should happen.
1 - ACE Should not be banned based of hearsay.
2 - If actual evidence is provided those involved should be removed from Quals.
3 - Any Admin in Question or under suspicion of ghosting or rule break should not be allowed to make any match deciding decisions or spectate matches alone.
4 - I should be an admin for more events.
I Don't think they should be banned either actually. From an admin standpoint there's really no evidence here, It's more of a take my word type thing with sketch until another person decides they want to come out and tell the truth.
As a player, Sketch says they ghosted, Roth said they would never ghost, ck said they talked about doing it,
Something is sketchy here. Get it? Sketch-y? -
I Don't think they should be banned either actually. From an admin standpoint there's really no evidence here, It's more of a take my word type thing with sketch until another person decides they want to come out and tell the truth.
As a player, Sketch says they ghosted, Roth said they would never ghost, ck said they talked about doing it,
Something is sketchy here. Get it? Sketch-y? -
JoshBritish wrote: »It's clearly something Roth and Malte kept to them selves if it happened in the first place. I always wonder why IceMan was spectating and have no idea why he should.
In my opinion. I should be at least on some sort of Administration for ESG. They are not always consistent in rule enforcement, which bothers me. ICEMAN as an Admin shouldn't have ever spectated a match without reason. I think as a player you should Screenshot any administrative presence in a match, and be able to call out an Admin and ask WHY they were in the room to spectate. As an Admin there is no reason to hide why you are spectating a match unless you did something like ghosting.
If Roth and Malte did do this, its not something all of ACE should be punished for, and with no evidence other than "he said, she said", its really hard to punish anyone in this case. It does sadden me that this might have happened as I truly trusted the 5 members of ACE gaming as I did those accusing them of this. I really hope the community can pull together and try to ensure fair play across the board. ESG and even my own ESL team should diversify our Admin structure so their isn't large holes for Admins to get away with unfair decisions. -
Well basically, looking at the here and now I think the following should happen.
1 - ACE Should not be banned based of hearsay.
2 - If actual evidence is provided those involved should be removed from Quals.
3 - Any Admin in Question or under suspicion of ghosting or rule break should not be allowed to make any match deciding decisions or spectate matches alone.
4 - I should be an admin for more events.
I don't see how this is any different than the DavidLive situation.
Someone recorded them saying something "don't have DavidLive on the phone", and there was no proof that he ever was.
Then, DavidLive admitted to it.
This is one of the players at the time saying the exact same thing, i.e. "_____ ghosted for us".
The ONLY difference is that IceMan (as of now) hasn't said anything about it.
That said, it is definitely not Ace Gaming's fault for this. No punishment should befall them.
But Roth and Malte should each be banned. The members of carbon all were. -
The difference here is, nobody from either side (Iceman or ACE) has admitted anything. Sure if ICEMAN admits to it, circumstance would then change, but until that happens (Which I don't think it will) nothing can really change. That being said as I mentioned before we can in the mean time ensure both events are staffed with a diverse group of individuals to ensure these things don't happen.
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The difference here is, nobody from either side (Iceman or ACE) has admitted anything. Sure if ICEMAN admits to it, circumstance would then change, but until that happens (Which I don't think it will) nothing can really change. That being said as I mentioned before we can in the mean time ensure both events are staffed with a diverse group of individuals to ensure these things don't happen.
YES
They did admit it.
Sketch admitted it.
Their roster (as I understand it) was Sketch / Doop / CK / Roth / Malte.
CK says "I mean...we talked about doing it, I don't know if Malte followed through".
Sketch says "We did follow through, Peter was on the phone with Iceman."
That is LITERALLY the exact same situation as DavidLive -
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Ellustrial wrote: »YES
They did admit it.
Sketch admitted it.
Their roster (as I understand it) was Sketch / Doop / CK / Roth / Malte.
But sketch is no longer a teamate and has no solid evidence other than what he is saying. Which would mean I would have to take one persons word over another, which while yes it leaves room for them to get away with it if it did happen, it also prevents a team that might not have cheated from being falsely punished. Until either the team in majority admits it or ICEMAN himself says this happened, nothing can be proved in a undeniable way. -
But sketch is no longer a teamate and has no solid evidence other than what he is saying. Which would mean I would have to take one persons word over another, which while yes it leaves room for them to get away with it if it did happen, it also prevents a team that might not have cheated from being falsely punished. Until either the team in majority admits it or ICEMAN himself says this happened, nothing can be proved in a undeniable way.
Sadly I don't remember either match. It's a shame too cause this could of been the ultimate troll. Get myself banned for a year, and destroy the only reliable team in this version. It would be like what the enola gay did for japan. Set back at least 2-3 years, mwhahahahaha. -
But sketch is no longer a teamate and has no solid evidence other than what he is saying. Which would me I would have to take one persons word over another, which while yes it leaves room for them to get away with it if it did happen, it also prevents a team that might not have cheated from being falsely punished. Until either the team in majority admits it or ICEMAN himself says this happened, nothing can be proved in a undeniable way.
At the time Carbon was banned, only 3 of them were on the same team still.
DavidLive had no solid evidence other than what he was saying. You took how word for it. How is this a different situation?
You have a player admitting that they did, and a second player saying that "Well, we were talking about it, but I don't know if he did it."
DavidLive said "I accepted a bribe, and ghosted."
There was no other evidence, other than in passing when they were trash-talking David in a mumble room being recorded. How is that enough evidence, if two players on the team outright admitting it is not?
In other words, if you're looking for any sort of consistency in passing judgement, then both Peter and Roth should be banned (as should Doop, CK, and Sketch, unfortunately, though from the sound of things only Peter, Roth, and Sketch knew for sure they were ghosting) -
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Lmfao at alllll the people butthurt about this and saying by banning aces members from international will destroy their chances at china. ... Bruh WHAT has ace done at china? Literally nothing to note of. These kids are free loafting the perks of a paid vacation, pkaying hungover. Sad sad sad sad, I think this is exactly what cf needs, the oppertunity for others to represent and be exposed to the best of the best. Maybe they will learn from it, possibly perform better, and return humble in defeat to advance/tweak all the things they need to win.
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Lmfao at alllll the people butthurt about this and saying by banning aces members from international will destroy their chances at china. ... Bruh WHAT has ace done at china? Literally nothing to note of. These kids are free loafting the perks of a paid vacation, pkaying hungover. Sad sad sad sad, I think this is exactly what cf needs, the oppertunity for others to represent and be exposed to the best of the best. Maybe they will learn from it, possibly perform better, and return humble in defeat to advance/tweak all the things they need to win.
Eh
Just sucks that they get into the same brackets as the top Chinese teams which is why they don't go that far. Didn't they come the closes to winning a match against the 1st place team? -
Well basically, looking at the here and now I think the following should happen.
1 - ACE Should not be banned based of hearsay.
2 - If actual evidence is provided those involved should be removed from Quals.
3 - Any Admin in Question or under suspicion of ghosting or rule break should not be allowed to make any match deciding decisions or spectate matches alone.
4 - I should be an admin for more events.
Ayyy why disqualify my team for failing to get on ac properly but not Ace Gaming? Because they're the best team in the game? -
Eh
Just sucks that they get into the same brackets as the top Chinese teams which is why they don't go that far. Didn't they come the closes to winning a match against the 1st place team?
10-6 loss to AG PEPSI. (Carbon beat them in s1, but they won s2)
10-7 loss to XCN (Not even a CN TEAM) -
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Theyve had so many oppertunities to do better than the last time they came there... This time really ****ed me off when I saw these kids smashed like 20 beers a piece take away ayrin, req?, malice, and had matches the next day on their vlog... Lmao. Are any quals even legit these days? Scary. Id rather send bio to china so I can see the same fill for first round knockout but at least theyll have a better understanding if whats to be expected mext time around, or how to improve their game. Then we can have seceral great competing teams who know what international is expecting
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