Do any two teams want to get casted tonight?

HEADsucks

Anyone up for a cast?

aKnelp

HEADsucks wrote: »

Anyone up for a cast?

When casting can you please stop pointing out the obvious and stop saying what I can see on the screen. it's fine when someone get's two kills and everyone's hyped up. but when X killed Y in a standard play, I don't really want to hear that.

There's also an instance where zzxq 'picked' (- direct quote from head) malice to get the round in ankara, when in reality he just sprayed him in down in the back on a 3v1 situation.

Also, I'd like to see the overview of the map with ~ or whatever view to see a tactical standpoint when each round starts or during intense situations. you were pretty inconsistent about this and it bugged me.

that is all for now.

NorFF

Interested. Just pm me in-game

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ThePurv

aKnelp wrote: »

When casting can you please stop pointing out the obvious and stop saying what I can see on the screen. it's fine when someone get's two kills and everyone's hyped up. but when X killed Y in a standard play, I don't really want to hear that.

There's also an instance where zzxq 'picked' (- direct quote from head) malice to get the round in ankara, when in reality he just sprayed him in down in the back on a 3v1 situation.

Also, I'd like to see the overview of the map with ~ or whatever view to see a tactical standpoint when each round starts or during intense situations. you were pretty inconsistent about this and it bugged me.

that is all for now.

While you're at it, can you review how I did?

HEADsucks

aKnelp wrote: »

When casting can you please stop pointing out the obvious and stop saying what I can see on the screen. it's fine when someone get's two kills and everyone's hyped up. but when X killed Y in a standard play, I don't really want to hear that.

There's also an instance where zzxq 'picked' (- direct quote from head) malice to get the round in ankara, when in reality he just sprayed him in down in the back on a 3v1 situation.

Also, I'd like to see the overview of the map with ~ or whatever view to see a tactical standpoint when each round starts or during intense situations. you were pretty inconsistent about this and it bugged me.

that is all for now.

"When casting can you please stop pointing out the obvious and stop saying what I can see on the screen. it's fine when someone get's two kills and everyone's hyped up. but when X killed Y in a standard play, I don't really want to hear that."

Well if I don't say anything it's even more awkward, at the moment what else am I supposed to say? Me saying X killed Y leads off to much more information like "it's now a 3v5 situation due to that pick" and so forth. Whether you believe me or not I have asked so many people a question on this exact issue that you're mentioning. They literally all said always say X killed Y. I have no reason to lie to you. You know I like criticism so believe it or not. X killed Y simply branches off to so much more information about the match.

"There's also an instance where zzxq 'picked' (- direct quote from head) malice to get the round in ankara, when in reality he just sprayed him in down in the back on a 3v1 situation."

Well the word 'picked' means to get a kill, and it's information about what happened. What else do you want me to say? Do you really want me to say "He really just sprayed him down in the back on a 3v1 situation"? That sentence right there is so boring and kind of seems as if I am being bias by ruining zzxq's moment. He did get the round, I'm very confused as to what else I am supposed to say.

Please think of it like this, if zzxq didn't kill Malice, is there not a chance Malice could have clutched? That is why zzxq finished and got that round off for his team.

"Also, I'd like to see the overview of the map with ~ or whatever view to see a tactical standpoint when each round starts or during intense situations. you were pretty inconsistent about this and it bugged me."

For finals matches I don't stream. The only finals cup I streamed was springs final. Other than that, in my own streams I give a great overview of the map, and a picture of each map that I can edit to show great plays that occurred during a half. If you think I'm not being very informational can you give me some specific instructions as to how I can improve?

Also please note, on Purvis' end it's much harder than it seems. Think of it like this, he has to catch up with what both of us (me and tilt usually) are saying really fast. We do try to help him by saying things like "Looking over at Malte's end at A long" or "Req may be the guy to cause some action in B as he's gotten himself in a spider hole". We don't say these things for no reason. It's a team cast, everything that's done needs to always be helping us as a whole


Thanks for the criticism, hopefully you can reply back

aKnelp

instead of being generic by saying 'X killed Y' you could say Y is taken down which makes it a bad situation for team Y and then hypothesis use that ~ and suggest what team Y should do and what they're doing at the moment is bad or good. when I'm watching casts I feel like the commentators are lacking hypothesis (if that's the right word?) I want to know what the commentator thinks team Y should do in a bad situation but that's just me.

When I hear the word picked I think of an entry frag, or a frag that will give the team in an advantage, per se, BL gets a pick at A, A could be weaker or B could be weaker due to the rotate,
I read this somewhere and im trying to relate this to fps games
When watching an NBA game, A common everyday man will watch the player who has the ball. However people with experience or people who want to learn how to get better will know to watch the other 4 teammates who don't currently have the ball in their hands. they keyword here is: positioning

That's what casters are lacking and why ACE gaming is always on top.
Casters mostly tunnel vision on the play, whose fighting who, whose going big. they don't focus enough on the other players that are rotating, how are they rotating, whose in a good position and who needs help.
For example, during one of matches the caster, Ryangi, quickly caught onto what I was doing and called it out before I was even in doing it at another round.
Not to mentioned every now and then he talked about players position

my next point of ACE gaming is too off-topic and i'm hoping people got the jist of why they're a top team. because of their positioning. Although I could've explained it better, kinda in a rush.

now back to zzxq, I recall correctly, he saw malice but malice didn't see him so zzxq went around elephant boxes (boxes at A) to get a good flank on him. Which imo isn't a pick, just a regular flank that gave them the round. there is no need to bring the word pick here.

edit: I'd write more but my keyboard on my computer just randomly stopped working

@JP there was a thread a while ago of ryangi talking about the freestyle camera, IMO that's good to show how BL is taking over a certain site

HEADsucks

aKnelp wrote: »

instead of being generic by saying 'X killed Y' you could say Y is taken down which makes it a bad situation for team Y and then hypothesis use that ~ and suggest what team Y should do and what they're doing at the moment is bad or good. when I'm watching casts I feel like the commentators are lacking hypothesis (if that's the right word?) I want to know what the commentator thinks team Y should do in a bad situation but that's just me.

When I hear the word picked I think of an entry frag, or a frag that will give the team in an advantage, per se, BL gets a pick at A, A could be weaker or B could be weaker due to the rotate,
I read this somewhere and im trying to relate this to fps games
When watching an NBA game, A common everyday man will watch the player who has the ball. However people with experience or people who want to learn how to get better will know to watch the other 4 teammates who don't currently have the ball in their hands. they keyword here is: positioning

That's what casters are lacking and why ACE gaming is always on top.
Casters mostly tunnel vision on the play, whose fighting who, whose going big. they don't focus enough on the other players that are rotating, how are they rotating, whose in a good position and who needs help.
For example, during one of matches the caster, Ryangi, quickly caught onto what I was doing and called it out before I was even in doing it at another round.
Not to mentioned every now and then he talked about players position

my next point of ACE gaming is too off-topic and i'm hoping people got the jist of why they're a top team. because of their positioning. Although I could've explained it better, kinda in a rush.

now back to zzxq, I recall correctly, he saw malice but malice didn't see him so zzxq went around elephant boxes (boxes at A) to get a good flank on him. Which imo isn't a pick, just a regular flank that gave them the round. there is no need to bring the word pick here.

edit: I'd write more but my keyboard on my computer just randomly stopped working

@JP there was a thread a while ago of ryangi talking about the freestyle camera, IMO that's good to show how BL is taking over a certain site

To your hypothesize perception for casters, me and tilt always ask each other "What do you think" questions which are based primarily on what we know. That is being done.

I know for a fact when there's a flanker, a rotate, or someone has sneaked into a spider hole(like I mentioned in my last reply) , I give my vision on it. I try and be as fast as possible when it comes to calling out positions, if I recall correctly it's definitely being done, especially when I cast in with tilt, a good portion of our cast is strictly on positioning and decision making.

For the zzxq issue, it's just a wording issue that can be altered. Not too big of an issue , I guess some people perceive the word differently, I didn't think it can cause too big of issue and irritate some people so I can definitely change it.

To summarize overall, we don't have a literal checklist but we do have a "must-do" in our heads before a cast. Those must-do thoughts include:
1)Hypothesis, which is definitely being done A LOT of the time, maybe we should do it more? Give me your thoughts on the quantity of hypothesis.

2)Positioning, mistakes, decision making, angles, parallel peeks, triangular pushes, perpendicular interception, distractions, flankers , linear pushes, aggressiveness, passiveness, rotations, round start decisions (this is actually really complicated) ,the list can go on. This is being talked out for sure. One again, maybe the quantity of it is too small which personally I think it's just right

3)And of course: wording, stuttering, name memorization (Believe it or not in the heat of the moment you can get confused between Malte/Malice) , spot memorization, roles of players (snipers/riflers),etc.

These thoughts can go on and we try our best to implement them. I'm just saying the thoughts u mentioned are definitely being covered which confuses me. Once again, I respect your criticism but maybe we're not doing what you want in a good amount.

PS: About the free-style camera, which is a great idea, a while back when I streamed I implemented that. It's extremely hard because CF chooses the default camera to be way off set so in the heat of the moment by the time you get to your camera position the push is over. This of course is really hard to control because some time must be wasted to get to your position, and you can miss a lot of action.

aKnelp

I rarely hear any hypothesis, I only hear what's happening on the screen and whose battling who.

please remind yourself then I am just one and people may think differently

In all my listening to cf casts career I've never or rarely heard any analysis from commentators. which IMO would be for sure make one a better comentator. For example When watching streams I commonly find myself wondering what my teammate and I would do if we were GR retaking a site. I'd rather have the commentator say what he thinks GR should do and make a conclusion of why this certain strat would lead the best outcome. instead of BL player watching long, ct or idk bridge.

I get that free-style camera is hard to use, but if the caster realized that a certain team does the same strat and it involves 3+ more people stepping out a choke point i'd rather see an overview than someone's pov

MeepMerp

aKnelp wrote: »

I rarely hear any hypothesis, I only hear what's happening on the screen and whose battling who.

please remind yourself then I am just one and people may think differently

In all my listening to cf casts career I've never or rarely heard any analysis from commentators. which IMO would be for sure make one a better comentator. For example When watching streams I commonly find myself wondering what my teammate and I would do if we were GR retaking a site. I'd rather have the commentator say what he thinks GR should do and make a conclusion of why this certain strat would lead the best outcome. instead of BL player watching long, ct or idk bridge.

I get that free-style camera is hard to use, but if the caster realized that a certain team does the same strat and it involves 3+ more people stepping out a choke point i'd rather see an overview than someone's pov

On the one hand, I think I'd enjoy it as well, but I understand why they don't. It makes you seem like an arrogant jerk, constantly talking, in essence, about how you would do it better.

Just how it comes across to me, not trying to suggest anything.

That said, if he did it every now and again, like only after failed pushes and be like, 'In the future they may want to work on X' and essentially what you were saying - Just not every round, as that would get old quick.