Communism? Or Facism. Pick your poison
http://joeisbadass.deviantart.com/art/Pick-Your-Poison-407234164
Basically my beef is with the image within:
I think they're misunderstanding the two very different political ideals that each person represented...
Perhaps Karl Marx & then Stalin would be a closer fit as they'd be in the same political ideology.
Basically my beef is with the image within:
I think they're misunderstanding the two very different political ideals that each person represented...
Perhaps Karl Marx & then Stalin would be a closer fit as they'd be in the same political ideology.
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Maybe his [the artist's] intention isn't to imply that the ideologies of Hitler and Marx were similar. Rather, he might be remarking that Hitler was seen as Europe's last bastion against Soviet Communism, which helped him obtain and maintain power.
Or maybe not. lol -
Communism is better than democracy .When all people rule the goverment - it is communism. When one totallitary dictator rule the goverment - it is facism. Communism - it is pacific ideology. Old soviet slogan "Миру мир (peace in the world)" Communist's countries NEVER attacked other countries.
However, in communism noone will rich. All humans will еqual. It is good for all world, but bad for some rich people and other "elite" people. And this people say what "communism is evil". It is false.
However, i'm not communist. It is not really now. It is dream. -
DEMOCRACY.
That's pretty much just like communism since the only difference is that we pick our poison ourselves. YAYCommunism is better than democracy .When all people rule the goverment - it is communism. When one totallitary dictator rule the goverment - it is facism. Communism - it is pacific ideology. Old soviet slogan "Миру мир (peace in the world)" Communist's countries NEVER attacked other countries.
However, in communism noone will rich. All humans will еqual. It is good for all world, but bad for some rich people and other "elite" people. And this people say what "communism is evil". It is false.
However, i'm not communist. It is not really now. It is dream.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Dud pls.
Communists are sooo bad. I know because I come from a ex communist country where the people are still braindead since that time. -
Stalin and Hitler for how the ideology is applied in the real world, given human conditions, or Darwin and Marx for a comparison in 'how it all started', might be more apt.
Hitler had it going for him that his ideology was applicable in the sense that it could happen (after killing one and a half billion or so people). Communism never can.
Fun fact; There were about 2 billion people alive a few years before WW2, today we are >7 billion.
Not a fan of either, I don't believe in "one man, one vote" or 'Aryan' superiority. -
Stalin and Hitler for how the ideology is applied in the real world, given human conditions, or Darwin and Marx for a comparison in 'how it all started', might be more apt.
Hitler had it going for him that his ideology was applicable in the sense that it could happen (after killing one and a half billion or so people). Communism never can.
Fun fact; There were about 2 billion people alive a few years before WW2, today we are >7 billion.
Not a fan of either, I don't believe in "one man, one vote" or 'Aryan' superiority.
You, Sir, are very interesting.
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DEMOCRACY.
That's pretty much just like communism since the only difference is that we pick our poison ourselves. YAY
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Dud pls.
Communists are sooo bad. I know because I come from a ex communist country where the people are still braindead since that time.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
You didn't come from an ex-communist country. No one has ever lived in a communist country. Communism as defined by Marx as a stateless, classless and moneyless society. The countries usually called communists are state capitalist (with the exception of Cuba and maybe Venezuela) with a party calling itself communist.
Read some Marx before you speak about things you know nothing about. -
Well you know, its sort of like the "bumblebees shouldn't be able to fly" thing.MegalodonSV wrote: »You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
You didn't come from an ex-communist country. No one has ever lived in a communist country. Communism as defined by Marx as a stateless, classless and moneyless society. The countries usually called communists are state capitalist (with the exception of Cuba and maybe Venezuela) with a party calling itself communist.
Read some Marx before you speak about things you know nothing about.
Even if it sounds good and logical in theory, practical application - human nature in this case - is different.
What we've seen of communism throughout history is the ultimate result of the theory, even if it's not communism as Marx intended and theorized on.
We'll never see a world engulfed in utopian harmony and equality, so even if it's not literal, the communism we've seen is the only communism that will ever happen.
Calling it "not communism" because it's practised WRONG, drawing the conclusions above, is just nitpicking. It IS communism. It just doesn't work. -
Well you know, its sort of like the "bumblebees shouldn't be able to fly" thing.
Even if it sounds good and logical in theory, practical application - human nature in this case - is different.
What we've seen of communism throughout history is the ultimate result of the theory, even if it's not communism as Marx intended and theorized on.
We'll never see a world engulfed in utopian harmony and equality, so even if it's not literal, the communism we've seen is the only communism that will ever happen.
Calling it "not communism" because it's practised WRONG, drawing the conclusions above, is just nitpicking. It IS communism. It just doesn't work.
exactly why i think Marxism is great idea, but it would never work in practice as people get greedy which is the flaw in the theory -
exactly why i think Marxism is great idea, but it would never work in practice as people get greedy which is the flaw in the theory
Yes, you are right, but strong leaders, like Lenin, Mao, Stalin and some other people could partially realize this idea. -
exactly why i think Marxism is great idea, but it would never work in practice as people get greedy which is the flaw in the theory
Yeah nah, you're gonna have to try harder than that.Well you know, its sort of like the "bumblebees shouldn't be able to fly" thing.
Even if it sounds good and logical in theory, practical application - human nature in this case - is different.
What we've seen of communism throughout history is the ultimate result of the theory, even if it's not communism as Marx intended and theorized on.
We'll never see a world engulfed in utopian harmony and equality, so even if it's not literal, the communism we've seen is the only communism that will ever happen.
Calling it "not communism" because it's practised WRONG, drawing the conclusions above, is just nitpicking. It IS communism. It just doesn't work.
You really think I've never heard that ****ty argument before?
There is no human nature set in stone. We humans are products of our environment. We lived most of our life in a form of production called primitive communism, later on a slave society which was replaced by feudalism and we are now living in a capitalist society. Capitalism has existed for a tiny fraction of human history.
You're the one who claimed communism doesn't work because of "human nature". The burden of proof is then on you. Show me sociological studies which says that the means of production can't be commonly owned and democratically ruled because of human nature.
Go on. I'm waiting. -
MegalodonSV wrote: »There is no human nature set in stone. We humans are products of our environment. We lived most of our life in a form of production called primitive communism, later on a slave society which was replaced by feudalism and we are now living in a capitalist society. Capitalism has existed for a tiny fraction of human history.
You're the one who claimed communism doesn't work because of "human nature". The burden of proof is then on you. Show me sociological studies which says that the means of production can't be commonly owned and democratically ruled because of human nature.
Go on. I'm waiting.
You mean when a select few gathered the resources and shared it with the commonwealth for the community to survive?
One interpretation might be "primitive communism" I suppose, another would be that the hunters were the de facto leaders and could and would stop producing for the community unless their own needs were met. Caveman capitalism.
It's easy to spin in either direction, and I'm not sure we should take hints from Neanderthals on how to live today.
I'm not sure where to look for studies on "what is greed", I just have a gut feeling that I never want to produce and toil unless it benefits me, and sense that it's a shared feeling empirically proven throughout the last 200 years, which we can't ignore for convenience.
Democratically owned is a no-brainer though, most people are incompetent. Democracy never works. Someone has to rule.
Reverting to Neanderthal society, a world population of 100 000, then forcing everyone to work for free and share the goods might work. But someone would have to do the forcing. -
You mean when a select few gathered the resources and shared it with the commonwealth for the community to survive?
One interpretation might be "primitive communism" I suppose, another would be that the hunters were the de facto leaders and could and would stop producing for the community unless their own needs were met. Caveman capitalism.
It's easy to spin in either direction, and I'm not sure we should take hints from Neanderthals on how to live today.
I'm not sure where to look for studies on "what is greed", I just have a gut feeling that I never want to produce and toil unless it benefits me, and sense that it's a shared feeling empirically proven throughout the last 200 years, which we can't ignore for convenience.
Democratically owned is a no-brainer though, most people are incompetent. Democracy never works. Someone has to rule.
Reverting to Neanderthal society, a world population of 100 000, then forcing everyone to work for free and share the goods might work. But someone would have to do the forcing.
Caveman capitalism? You mean the cavemen had private ownership of the means of production? Yeah, not buying that.
I'm not denying the existence of greed. I still want you to prove that common and democratic ownership of the means of production goes against human nature.
Nice view on mankind. Don't you think the workers of a factory knows better how to run that factory than stock owners only seeking to maximize profit?
Right now we live in a system that evolved out of feudalism. Where the masses needs to sell their labour in order to survive, yet never receiving the full fruits of their labour. All this while 67 people own as much wealth as half of the human population. -
MegalodonSV wrote: »
Yeah nah, you're gonna have to try harder than that.
You really think I've never heard that ****ty argument before?
There is no human nature set in stone. We humans are products of our environment. We lived most of our life in a form of production called primitive communism, later on a slave society which was replaced by feudalism and we are now living in a capitalist society. Capitalism has existed for a tiny fraction of human history.
You're the one who claimed communism doesn't work because of "human nature". The burden of proof is then on you. Show me sociological studies which says that the means of production can't be commonly owned and democratically ruled because of human nature.
Go on. I'm waiting.
"Communism is next stage of human society after capitalism" © Vladimir Lenin -
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Haha, I am?
Democracy, communism, nazi-ism (OMG WHATS THE ENGLISH WORD?!) and fascism are the only choices available? =D
"Democratically owned is a no-brainer though, most people are incompetent. Democracy never works. Someone has to rule." - [MOD]dotwikipedia best source wrote:Fascist movements shared certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism
:rolleyes:
don't worry dot, I still like you -
Someone as in not everyone, cause most people are incompetent.MegalodonSV wrote: »"Democratically owned is a no-brainer though, most people are incompetent. Democracy never works. Someone has to rule." - [MOD]dot
:rolleyes:
don't worry dot, I still like you
Not someone as in ONE person (me me me), that'd just be boring. -
Someone as in not everyone, cause most people are incompetent.
Not someone as in ONE person (me me me), that'd just be boring.
Don't you think the workers of a profession knows best about that profession? There's definitely no need for all people voting for every tiny bit, but the workers need to collectively own and democratically rule their workplace. In a small workplace like a café then this can mean a weekly meeting. In a larger workplace it can be representative. The exact organisation isn't important. Expanding democracy to the economic life is important. -
I'm not sure what you mean.MegalodonSV wrote: »Don't you think the workers of a profession knows best about that profession? There's definitely no need for all people voting for every tiny bit, but the workers need to collectively own and democratically rule their workplace. In a small workplace like a café then this can mean a weekly meeting. In a larger workplace it can be representative. The exact organisation isn't important. Expanding democracy to the economic life is important.
Me and my co-workers decide how to do the job assigned.
My boss decides when to do it and what the job is specifically, and handles the corporate business I'm not very good at (probably better than him cause hes incompetent, but thats a reflection on the person rather than the position)
I have no incentive to also be liable for the productivity of the factory as a whole, now I just weasel along doing menial tasks for lots of moneys.
Factories haven't been 500 working slaves and 1 omnipotent owner in many years.
Technical staff (me) who knows how to do the work, and layers above to organize the immense structure a big corporation is, seems efficient enough and I wouldn't trust my co-workers to also set my wage or whathaveyou.
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