Here's a thought.....

dontkickme

And I know it's been put out there before. Make all new players register a credit card to make a new account. The card can never be used more than once. I know this won't fix everything, but it will certainly slow it down; especially since they are doing NOTHING to patch/stop the h4king.

Also, to up it even more, make all new accounts agree that if they are busted (for blatant hacking: things that are extremely obvious like speeding, shooting through walls, obvious auto-aim, etc.) THINGS THAT ARE OBVIOUS.....charge a certain amount to their credit card and of course, that card can no longer be used to create new accounts. If you do this, people will stop hacking. Not all. But many will. The biggest issue with hacking is not BR's, Ahmeds, or egy's. The biggest issue is actually North Americans who allow those people to continue hacking by not kicking.

Also, and I know this has been said before as well; no votes should not count as negative votes. If they don't press anything it shouldn't automatically become an f12. That's just stupid. I have a feeling I am much more educated than the people who run this game. I'm not giving one crap about my grammar. I dumb it down for all the idiots.

its_Isaac

What if you're not old enough to get a credit card or just don't want one? I don't think this would work out to well because I don't know any games that force you to give them your credit card before registering.

You sound rather mad in this thread..They just need a more efficient way of reporting hackers and updating the xtrap.

djbsatan

Why would you even consider giving anything to Z8games?

its_Isaac

djbsatan wrote: »

Why would you even consider giving anything to Z8games?

You gave them an email to create an account.that is something.

Stop posting annoying stuff like this on threads.

dontkickme

Giving an e-mail is not enough. It's so easy to make a new free e-mail account. If you don't have a credit card, tough luck. If you're not old enough to have a card, you're probably not old enough to play this game anyways. And, if you're not old enough, your parents should be willing to provide you with a credit card. After all, I'm not saying they actually charge you with the card, just that you need the card to register for free. Fixing xtrap will NEVER be the solution. I've been around long enough. I'm a public school teacher, i know how these kids think. I've been around kids like this my whole life. And if you think this is a stupid idea, just get the heck out of the thread. I'm trying to offer ideas how to fix it since Saidin and his crew are clearly doing NOTHING to resolve the hacking issue. Way back, when hacks were out of control, they would fix it. Sometimes the hacks would take a week or more to come back, sometimes less. But even when they came back, it wasn't out of control. It's out of control now and again, they are doing NOTHING to stop it. If they are doing something, it's not enough and they know it. EVERYTHING, including this community is flawed.

2ADL

no this sound stupid

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No, this would limit too big an audience.

dontkickme

And your point Mod dot? If you limit an audience, you limit the hackers. Oh wait, this goes back to something I've mentioned before.....but I can't go there because Saidin told me he would not only ban me from the forums permanently but also from the game permanently. Mod Dot, thanks for the proof in what I've been speculating for so long. All z8 sees is $$$$$$.

This hack situation will never be fixed until someone can figure out how to sue and win the lawsuit against z8 games.

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dontkickme wrote: »

And your point Mod dot? If you limit an audience, you limit the hackers. Oh wait, this goes back to something I've mentioned before.....but I can't go there because Saidin told me he would not only ban me from the forums permanently but also from the game permanently. Mod Dot, thanks for the proof in what I've been speculating for so long. All z8 sees is $$$$$$.

This hack situation will never be fixed until someone can figure out how to sue and win the lawsuit against z8 games.

My point is that this is a free to play game and what you're suggesting would change that.

All you need to play CF is a computer.
If we introduce a credit card validation, suddenly you have to be 18+, from a region that gives out credit cards to anyone, and pay bank fees etc.

The hack situation would be solved by more localized versions youknowwhere, more vigorous technical and legal action against creators and publishers of cheats (which is already going on), finalization of the XTrap communication optimization (also going on right now), and more. Not by suing "Z8Games" for.. whatever.

dontkickme

Well, it wouldn't be suing for "whatever." Combat arms actually sued two of the big name hacking sites about 6 or 7 years ago. During the lawsuit, there were hardly any hacks out there. The fact that z8 is not suing said hack sites gives more logic to my theories about where some of the money could be coming from. And, you don't have to be 18+ to validate a credit card. You just have to have informed parents willing to allow their kids to use the card. Even if there was no fine for getting caught hacking, validating a card to create an account would put a stop the a large majority of the hacks. Every hacker I bust tells me they don't care because they have so many accounts. They don't spend their money on z8, they spend it on hacks to cheat in game or to get hacks for free zp. So, z8 is still making bank off these hackers one way or another. I won't go into how. The last time I showed enough evidence to that, I got in trouble for putting the truth out there. I guess some people can't handle the truth. They've supposedly been working on this hack shield for years and it's only gotten worse. Seems like certain people need to go and pay some new people to take over and fix the problem. Go ahead, shut this down. Every other topic I start gets shut down.

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dontkickme wrote: »

Well, it wouldn't be suing for "whatever." Combat arms actually sued two of the big name hacking sites about 6 or 7 years ago. During the lawsuit, there were hardly any hacks out there. The fact that z8 is not suing said hack sites gives more logic to my theories about where some of the money could be coming from. And, you don't have to be 18+ to validate a credit card. You just have to have informed parents willing to allow their kids to use the card. Even if there was no fine for getting caught hacking, validating a card to create an account would put a stop the a large majority of the hacks. Every hacker I bust tells me they don't care because they have so many accounts. They don't spend their money on z8, they spend it on hacks to cheat in game or to get hacks for free zp. So, z8 is still making bank off these hackers one way or another. I won't go into how. The last time I showed enough evidence to that, I got in trouble for putting the truth out there. I guess some people can't handle the truth. They've supposedly been working on this hack shield for years and it's only gotten worse. Seems like certain people need to go and pay some new people to take over and fix the problem. Go ahead, shut this down. Every other topic I start gets shut down.

I understand the basis of your theory, that "Z8" is basically 'licensing' cheating.
Obviously you're convinced of this and it's not in my interest to counter it so.. so be it.

Not everyone has a credit card, nor their parents. They're simply not allowed to or lacks the infrastructure for it.
Another extreme would be a situation like mine, where I can create an unlimited number of virtual credit cards behaving exactly like physical ones with a one-cent limit on them, allowing me a very favorable opportunity to sell them for say 5 dollars a piece at no cost save for time on my part.


This said, I'm very much in favor of a 'one account per person' policy. Credit cards are just not the way to go about it. We have the auto-ban system which does a (more complex than) HWID registration, but the specifics in terms of accounts per HWID isn't something I'm privy to.
I've suggested credit cards as a validation myself but thinking a few steps further, one can see that it wouldn't work.

dontkickme

[MOD]dot wrote: »

I understand the basis of your theory, that "Z8" is basically 'licensing' cheating.

Now, don't go putting words into my mouth that I've never said. I've made hints at things but have never given specifics. For z8 to "license" cheating would cause more trouble than it's worth.

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dontkickme wrote: »

Now, don't go putting words into my mouth that I've never said. I've made hints at things but have never given specifics. For z8 to "license" cheating would cause more trouble than it's worth.

I was simplifying.
A direct quote would be "So, in order to make money, there's being money transferred from these hack makers to Z8.", but I think "licensed cheating" is more apt so whatever.
Somehow this was also the case for Combat Arms, even though they apparently sued two hack creators. That's just bad business.

You've had less than 10 posts deleted out of 300, a better ratio than most.
And no infractions or warnings, so I have to assume you're talking about an alt or 'verbal' warnings. So be it.
I mention this because you seem to suggest that any and all criticisms are swiftly done away with - this is not the case. But "YA'LL SUCK" is likely to be deleted where "This is not acceptable" is not. (terrible example, i suck at these but the difference in literary quality is clear).

Alas, this is off topic. I'm sorry but if you choose a public forum to make silly allegations, a public forum is where the retorts will be made.

dontkickme

Nice research on going back to previous posts to see what I said. That was this past, this is now. I'm not going to directly mention such things from the past, much like I'm not going to say things that got me banned from playing like I did in the past. I still find it funny that racism, even though it was more me being infuriated that a hacker I had reported multiple times was still playing, and that very hacker, whom is still playing today got me banned for calling him certain unrepeatable words. Anyways, I'm getting off topic now. So, what hasn't changed is, the hack situation continues to get worse, the community is doing a terrible job at kicking hackers from the game, thus causing each room to be filled with more and more hackers. There have been games where the blatant hackers outnumbered the assumingly legit players. (I know that's not a word) We're all still wondering if/when this is going to be fixed. I know you're probably just a forum moderator, but surely you're "in-the know" on what, if anything is actually being done to put a stop to this. For the amount of money that is being raked in for a free to play game, surely there's enough money to solve this problem without losing any money.

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dontkickme wrote: »

Nice research on going back to previous posts to see what I said. That was this past, this is now. I'm not going to directly mention such things from the past, much like I'm not going to say things that got me banned from playing like I did in the past. I still find it funny that racism, even though it was more me being infuriated that a hacker I had reported multiple times was still playing, and that very hacker, whom is still playing today got me banned for calling him certain unrepeatable words. Anyways, I'm getting off topic now. So, what hasn't changed is, the hack situation continues to get worse, the community is doing a terrible job at kicking hackers from the game, thus causing each room to be filled with more and more hackers. There have been games where the blatant hackers outnumbered the assumingly legit players. (I know that's not a word) We're all still wondering if/when this is going to be fixed. I know you're probably just a forum moderator, but surely you're "in-the know" on what, if anything is actually being done to put a stop to this. For the amount of money that is being raked in for a free to play game, surely there's enough money to solve this problem without losing any money.

I know very little that you can't find out yourself from reading Saidins posts, the difference between me and the average user being that I interpret where others disregard or call lies (or conspiracy theory1!!1!!!).


Pretty sure I mentioned some things that are happening in this thread already, but to reiterate;

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

We're in the process of some pipeline changes at the moment. Meaning how we share information with X-trap. The more efficient that is the more efficient the updates are going to happen.

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

And yes, NA and Egypt make up some of the larger portions of the population. And yes, we have some plans to try and help those communities (both of them) exist within the same game. No I cannot speak about those plans any further.

I am not allowed to go into any more specifics due to company policy. So these kinds of generalizations will have to go on faith. You either believe them or not. Spending a lot of effort to try and change your mind is pointless.

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imawsomeman

[MOD]dot wrote: »

I know very little that you can't find out yourself from reading Saidins posts, the difference between me and the average user being that I interpret where others disregard or call lies (or conspiracy theory1!!1!!!).


Pretty sure I mentioned some things that are happening in this thread already, but to reiterate;






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I know it is your job to "side" with the person who is giving you you paycheck, and this guy is being told off by everybody as having a "stupid idea", but at least he is trying...

What we need is a suggestion box... or polls

Runescape 3 and Runescape Old School post up polls before they want to do anything, so instead of directing manpower to release the newest map or the newest reskin, you could have to community vote to redirect the manpower to releasing updates daily, or hiring more people and mods to actually PLAY on the servers and manually ban hackers. Another option is to redirect manpower to a lawsuit against these hacking sites!

dontkickme

I read all that stuff. It doesn't change the current situation, which is the worse I've seen in this game (other than when ghosts were speeding around AND carrying guns). And that was taken care of in less than a week if I can recall. I just don't understand how they took the time/money to create WAVE mode when they could have invested their money in fixing the hack situation. To me, and probably to most people NOT getting a paycheck from crossfire, g4/z8, or whomever, they are doing what keeps the dough rolling. Creating new game modes before fixing a hacking situation seems to be what's keeping the dough rolling in, so why fix it? It just seems as though to them (the crossfire company and the people in charge of making decisions) they don't think the hack situation is a real problem.

I know, play with my friends. Sometimes the few minutes I get to play, my friends/clan are not online and I'm stuck to pubbing with anyone. It's fine, I have a chance to meet new people and make new friends, maybe even recruit to my clan or find a better clan. But it's hard to do when everyone is either hacking, or angry with hackers. If I play well, I get accused of hacking. If I kill a hacker too frequently, the hackers join force and kick me. Something NEEDS to be done, and soon. There are so many threads of people complaining about it, and I've not seen a good answer yet from the real people in charge. You know what they say....."money is the root of all evil."

[dot]

imawsomeman wrote: »

I know it is your job to "side" with the person who is giving you you paycheck, and this guy is being told off by everybody as having a "stupid idea", but at least he is trying...

What we need is a suggestion box... or polls

Runescape 3 and Runescape Old School post up polls before they want to do anything, so instead of directing manpower to release the newest map or the newest reskin, you could have to community vote to redirect the manpower to releasing updates daily, or hiring more people and mods to actually PLAY on the servers and manually ban hackers. Another option is to redirect manpower to a lawsuit against these hacking sites!

Despite popular opinion, my mandate is not to make G4Box/Z8Games look good.
It's to moderate the forum - to make sure things follow the rules. The rules are not particularly biased in favor of G4.

Thinking a few steps further than everyone else and recognizing that efforts are indeed being made is my choice, not something I do because Saidin signs my paycheck (which he doesn't, i'm free)

dontkickme

So again, when are we gonna see some changes? Surely Saidin and others are reading this or at least someone has to be getting the memo that we are sick and tired of all the hacks. I'm pretty sure the majority of the legitimate players would much rather see them solve this hackfest than add another mode. In fact, (and I know this will never happen) but I would be happier if they took away most of the game modes and went back to the early days.

I would even be happy if ghost mode only included the first 3 maps IF it meant I wouldn't encounter a hacker. When I started playing this game, there were only 3 gm maps. Lab, Haken, and Relics. They are still my favorite maps anyways. Anyways, I'm gonna stop beating a dead horse. Just PLEASE relay the message that we are beyond tired of the hackfest.